Discussion Thread: "Alt-Left"

The right has the Alt-Right "movement". Think there could ever be an Alt-Left?

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They have commies.

ANTIFA are their alt-left.

It's been in effect for years dummy, they just call it being progressive.

I'd prefer to not acknowledge them as the Alt-Left. The Alt-Right is at least reasonable. Besides, I'm a liberal trying to find something to call myself that automatic doesn't associate me with Autism Awareness.
>inb4 too late

>The right has the Alt-Right "movement".

You mean guys like George W Bush, Ben Shapiro, or Bill Kristol?

Because the movement formerly known as the alt-right is no longer alternative. We put a man in the white house. Bitch, we mainstream right now.

The alt-left is the SJWs, and they've already taken over left-wing politics.

No. You can't be alternative if things like the the mainstream media basically champion your cause.

Yeah. I'd be in it.

> Economically Left
> Protectionist, pro-worker union
> Support wealth redistribution from rich to poor
> Support megaprojects and large scale infrastructure
> Look at managing centralized economy via AI
> Strong Welfare State, universal healthcare, free education
> Care about environment
> Anti-mass immigration,
> Pro-science
> Anti-SJW, no more Gender Studies claptrap
> Acknowledge men and women are not equal, while not being sexist
> Acknowledge the races are not equal, while not being racist
> Acknowledge Jews are nation wreckers
> Support responsible foreign aid
> Support international global warming treaties

Then they aren't "alt".
A new alt left would need to be born out of disapproval of SJW antics as the alt right was born out of disapproval if cuckservatives and the religious right.

I can accept that. Anything Left short of Stalinism is seen as good, it seems like.

We need a left that isn't afraid to call out SJWs, niggers, Jews, and open-borders nation wreckers.

None of these problems are right-wing problems. It's just the left is forbidding itself from noticing them.

>jews are nation wreckers
>believes and promotes a talmudist ideology
>falling for all the globalist kike global warming memes

errr

Yeah, it's called Socialistic-Nationalism.

Literally everything on twitter is Alt-Left. Black lives matter: Alt left. CNN: Alt left.

NOT ALT LEFT
Bill Clinton. Any democrat before the 1980's

Alt-Left has existed for like five years, they're the SJWs.

>isn't afraid to call out SJWs, niggers, Jews, and open-borders

BUTT DATS WACIST

>implying SJW antics began as the base of the Democratic party.

The alt left grew out of disapproval of the libtards and the secular left who didn't censor speech enough.

>the alt left IS the SJW/Antifa crowd
>your alt-movement sucks deal with it,

I actually found a blog post proposing an alt left that rejected dominant identity politics narrative and essentially embraced being white/straight etc and whose goal seemed to be a sort of 'take care of our own' sort of nativist socialism.

>Redistributing the wealth to the poor

See this was a noble thing, when the poor were seriously held down by oligarchs and such, no matter how intelligent/educated they were
But the poor today are non-white apes, they are dumb and are destined for poverty, throwing money at them won't help them

you mean national socialism.

These views will never get any traction on the left.
The reason that the left went full identity politics is because the "Oppression Olympics" is an inherent part of leftism. It wasn't an accident, it was an inevitability.
The left-wing "race to the bottom" to find the weakest and most pathetic specimens to champion has always been there. It started with feminism and disability rights, and then it mushroomed into the monster that we have today.
You can't divorce the SJW left from the economically left. They're two cheeks of the same arse.

Can you imagine what Stalin would've said if someone called him a wacist

We still have oligarchs. Like, the poor white working class is YUGE. In the UK, most poor people are white.

I say, if niggers are genetically just a bit less intelligent, then they can still contribute. We should stop expecting them to be exactly the same as whites. They can still be part of a society. And maybe science can find a cure for whatever nig genes are making them less intelligent.

"Alt-right" is a boogeyman term that has no real meaning. Do you really want to label yourself like that?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

>The alt-right has no formal ideology, with the Associated Press stating that there is "no one way to define its ideology." There is no formal organization and it is not clear if the alt-right can be considered as a movement; according to a 2016 description in the Columbia Journalism Review: "Because of the nebulous nature of anonymous online communities, nobody’s entirely sure who the alt-righters are and what motivates them. It’s also unclear which among them are true believers and which are smart-ass troublemakers trying to ruffle feathers." Many of its own proponents often claim they are joking or seeking to provoke an outraged response. Andrew Marantz of The New Yorker describes it as "a label, like `snob` or `hipster,` that is often disavowed by people who exemplify it".

The left had an alternative. HAD.

I disagree. The "old school" marxist left like Richard Wolf and even Bernie Sanders are quite close to these views already. They are not far from how it was in the USSR.

I think the SJW Left and feminism is a product of capitalist US universities shitting up real left wing ideology. The oligarchs aren't threatened by tranny bathrooms, one bit.

Those on welfare (in the USA) currently seem more interesting in buying sneakers and the new CoD, than paying bills and food (my neighbor is the example I watched, who beat his wife and dealed marijuana, and never bought his own cigarettes). Redistributing the wealth of the upper classes seems unreasonable here, at least. They'll only spoil themselves to death and live on the cheapest slop of meals until dying of undernourishment, just as they do now.

Lol the left are a bunch of faggots. No really you all are, you think race is a social construct. You think all that matters is distribution of wealth. Thats it, you dont need a "left " you are already in power, (were) muhahhaha if you believe in marxism you are deluded. Pic related a leftist whore. And your pet proletariat.

BTW, Clinton was a fucking idiot for calling out the alt-right and cartoon frogs, but I want to thank her for doing that.

To put it another way.

The Old Left had one privilege and that was Class Privilege.

Today they talk about every other kind of privilege BUT the privilege of wealth. Even though that's the only one that fucking matters.

Regressive left.

Classic liberals, I guess. Or are they considered right by the current American standards?

Interesting, but anything socialistic past food stamps is a turn off for me. Too many people spend welfare checks on stupid things.

That's because the welfare state, as currently implemented, is an anti-socialist idea.

"From each according to his abilities" does not mean "niggers get to sit on welfare selling drugs". That is just pandering to an identity group. Can you imagine Stalin signing off on that?

In a more sensible system, everyone who was not disabled would be working to get state benefits.

There's no alt-right, they needed a cool name to attack linked to Trump for their head lines (internet virgins doesn't look good).
But that's a good idea, we could use that "divide and conquer" tactics they love to use against themselves.

First make them push white people (mainly women) away from them, then the minorities by pointing out shit like white liberals telling people what to do
>i hate white people
>oh shit, why didn't white people do what i wanted them to do like i did to those minorities?
Is going to be slow, but doable.

>right wing people act insane
>get called alt-right
>left wing people act insane
>get called left
Seems right. No, there's no need for "alt-left", unless it completely flips the meaning around and becomes the sane part of left.

I am p sure Bernie Bros and pre-president Obama bros are the ALT-Left

That is they are anti-pundit and anti-corporate media (CNN, HuffPo, Verge, Vice, Vox, Vulture, etc)

"alt-right" is what cultural marxists call liberals.

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also kill yourself

If it's not in the form of direst cash benefits, then I don't mind socialism. I don't have a lot of trust for how recipients would spend it. It's too easy to blow.

Trips of truth

As long as they are working and contributing, I think we can trust cash welfare. And budget spent on welfare has a very high multiplier. It goes straight back into the economy.

The abuse of welfare is one reason we have a breakdown of trust. Everyone needs to believe that those who benefit are truly pulling their weight.

One benefit of getting rid of cash would be that we can monitor how it's being spent.

One other thing I'd like to see in an Alt Left is restoring the family. Blacks especially have a terrible break down of family life. We should have policies to ensure families stay together and directly fight the shitty black culture.

Hey, if it means the right gets their ideas taken as serious as the left, I wouldn't mind splitting up our shit-show a little. Sick of seeing idiots as the face of the left.

Yeah I'm not necessarily endorsing it. I think if something socialistic were to worn it would have to be in a high trust society where people felt mutual obligation to one another because of highly compelling ties of blood and culture. This way people would be less likely to game the system because of ideas of bringing shame. Perhaps unfeasible on a large scale.

I personally have no great love of markets being a primary determinant of moral or political or cultural life. But I feel the same about humanism so.

Some sort of added benefits for living as a family unit, perhaps. They'll need incentive to go against the "real gansta niggas dont have kids" culture blacks have built up and have a stable family instead.

>Bernie Sanders
He's a cuck too. He's very strongly feminist, he supports BLM, he blamed Islamist attacks not on Islam but on muh climate change, etc.
Don't know who Richard Wolf is tbqh.

Today's SJWs are a direct ideological product of the 1960s and 70s "counterculture" to traditional values. Capitalism had nothing to do with the delusions of people like Valerie Solanas and Howard Zinn, the original wave of SJWs as we know them.
But those are only the hardcore SJWs - go further back (the start of the 20th century) and you have groups like the Fabian Society where the seeds of the SJW ideology are very clearly present. And I'm sure that you could keep going back and tracing the movement further and further back in time.

You might be able find a few scattered examples of lefties who are also cultural traditionalists, but can you find a leftist state that hasn't pursued aggressive SJW-tier social policies?
And don't say the USSR - they banned religion and promoted (a type of) feminism. That's exactly the type of shite that we can do without.

Antifa is 100% mainstream-approved pro-globalist pro-Israel new left shit.

Actually you can thank the kgb for sjws
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>This is the Aut-Left

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If we can accept the problem is black culture then we can fight it.

Ban nigger music and movies that promote family break up would be a start. Stop showing single mothers on TV. This makes a difference.

End no-fault divorce and make them work for it, with mandatory counseling sessions.

Promote religious attendance. I know libershits here don't like it but religion is good for families.

Start breaking up toxic nigger society and end the ghettoes. Bulldoze them and make blacks integrate. If you keep the nigger density to one black per block it would work.

The right wing doesn't control enough media power to dub shit the "alt left".

Right now Antifa, the seattle anarchists, and the people on the hard side of BLM on race issues are the alt left.

You can't just ignore them just because you don't like them.

There's definitely enough political space for Bil Mhar, Boondocks kind of left, but there's not enough people there, and they have no political weight.

>The Alt-Right is at least reasonable
Dude gas the kikes lmao

>can you find a leftist state that hasn't pursued aggressive SJW-tier social policies?

The USSR was literally this state.

Homosexuality was banned and the only feminism they encouraged was strict equality. Liberal feminists today wouldn't even recognize it as feminism.

There was absolutely no pandering to minorities at all. Stalin shipped the whole of Chechnya to Siberia when they fought him.

Banning religion is not necessarily SJW tier. Religion and communism were felt to be at odds, so one of them had to go.

Mao's China was another one.

Silly buggers.

We could right now do as they did and create the alt-left right now.

Go find a bunch of leftists you don't like maybe the rioters call them the alt-left.

Meme it and spread it, the normies will now call the rioters the alt-left and you get to control the narrative and what the group is and represent.

leftists are too naive to even understand they bhave been manipulated by capitalists.

Lately iy has been pandering and attracting essentially virtue signaling moronic sheeps devoid of critical thinking.

The few smart leftists are drowned in a endless see of SJW complaining about micro agression.

They are at the very bottom of a shitpit. Not sure they will ever be able to climb out of it.

>If you keep the nigger density to one black per block it would work.

If you have cancer in your colon, the solution isn't to spread it around evenly through the rest of your body, it's to remove it or destroy it.

I guess radical SJWs/ ANTIFA

Well, ghettos being shit as they are is usually just as much to the landlord's blame as it is to the blacks. They don't evict them for the drug dealing because they worship the guaranteed Section 8 paid rent money monthly, but the government doesn't bother punishing the landlords themselves either for tolerating illegal activity. The rest I can agree with, at least to an extent.

>Think there could ever be an Alt-Left?

No.

What would an Alt-Left look like?

>The current left but with sane immigration and racial policies

That's just the Alt-Right.

>The current left but with nationalist/protectionist economic policies?

That's just the Alt-Right.

>The current left but with hawkish foreign policy?

That's just neoconservatism.

The Alt-Right came into being because the Left completely fucking cucked itself and sold out to elite interests. The left may have always been (to varying degrees) economically iliterate but at least it USED to be patriotic and genuinely care about the working class. The Alt-Right has basically filled the gap left by the disappearance of old-school patriotic socialism.

it's not alt-left, it's ctrl-left

In Germany there actually is something similiar to an "Alt-left".
It calls itself antigerman, criticizes antiracism, feminism, safe space politics, is against Islam and Immigration and hates the german left but also declares itself as antifascist.
They believe in supremacy of western/american/jewish culture but also have marxist views relying on cultural marxist Theodor W. Adorno and are often called racists, sexists and homophobes by other leftists.
They are as edgy as leftists can be, but all in all they are still leftists, a pretty weird and contradicting movement in general.

I do not believe niggers are inherently cancerous. I live around a lot of civilized, hard working blacks.

The difference is that they have good families, go to church, and have jobs.

The cancer is nigger society that makes blacks into niggers, not blacks.

Except Somalis, they're just always scum.

You've basically just described the Alt-Right. That's why it's impossible for there to be an 'Alt-Left'. Any leftists who step back in revulsion from the globalist/SJW/race creationist nonsense while maintaining most of their other policies are inherently taking a step into the Alt-Right.

>The Alt-Right is at least reasonable
the worst kind of dumb nigger's cognitive bias, you're a retard

What does it mean to be right wing if you're economically left?

You're describing a left wing party.

>Alt-Right
nah better bring back old fashioned commies they hated faggots and Jews as much as Nazis

Would a centrist leaning leftist fit in with the Alt-Right?

Not sure if I want to laugh or cringe.

For the Somalis, I blame the lack of stable authority. Africa is just fucked up. Niggers instead of blacks seem to be in power.

The alt-left is the left because the left is already racist and sexist.

Www.reddit.com/r/fullcommunism

Enjoy.

Alt right is nationalist conservatism.
Alt left is nationalist socialism.
Yes, OP, national socialism sounds like a great idea.

Alt right isn't really right wing, it's basically a rebranding of National Socialism.
The TEA party movement was an attempt at a real alternative to establishment cuckservatism in the US, but unfortunately people aren't motivated by being told to take responsibility, they prefer a scapegoat.

examples:
>Send Zionists to Israel

cont.
>party without Zionists

Stalin did one better. He established a homeland for Jews in Russia and sent those nation-wreckers there instead.

the "alt left" are a bunch of snarky people on twitter who subscribe to jacobin and 'followed their dreams' i.e. failed to make it as artists/writers/academics, hence their shitty attitude. they think that the best course of action in reforming the democratic party is to make fun of liberals on social media. not exactly 'workers of the world unite' but there you go

fuck

>Kalisz without Jews

are you autistic?

They are communist


Nothing more nothing less

More like, Ctrl-Left

amirite

If they ever did try im sure they'd fuck it up somehow

The unity party

"Science,Logic,unity"

>What is lefty/pol/

Neo-Stalinism should be the new alt-left

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Alt right is not a fucking thing.
It's a boogieman dreamed up by a desperate left.

2 can play that game though. And here we go.

>post quality text about an example of an alt-left
>No one cares

>post short meaningless "abc is xyz"
>everybody cares

This is why I hate posting on Sup Forums...

This is essentially Alt Right. Alt Right doesn't mean fiscally conservative or have anything to do with traditional right left dichotomy, it has more in common with Third Position. Of course there are fiscally conservative Libertarian leaning people in the Alt Right like Chris Cantwell.

>yuropoors have no concept of alt-right
Why am I not surprised. Fuck off.

Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake.

I'd put a bullet in your head with a smile on my face

>strong welfare state
>wealth redistribution
>free college and free healthcare
>global climate treaties

There are some good things you mentioned but the wellfare and the free stuff alone would bankrupt the white working/middle/upper class. America has 90 million Americans out of the labor force and 1 in 5 American families don't have a single member kf the family working. You think that giving them all college degrees just so they can lose 60% of their taxes (if they do get a job) is going to make niggers who have lived for free off of welfare (white man's money) suddenly want to work again?

>I know a place for you

Bernie supporters were the alt left

You do realise that this is the list of things that you will have to spend money on without a single point that will generate any money, don't you? Supporting workers means alienating big companies. Alienate them enough and they'll fuck off to a different country. Where will you get the money for "megaprojects and large scale infrastructure" and "Welfare State, universal healthcare, free education" then? It's all about finding the balance, that's why all of your stupid ideologies never work.

Wow. I guess there are people of both parties think that politics are easier with a Big Bad, then.

>Alt-Right
Alt-right is just young right-wingers. Liberals are so sure that every young person has to be liberal that they had to invent a new word to explain why some young people are on the right

> Supporting workers means alienating big companies.

What's a worker owned cooperative?

> Alienate them enough and they'll fuck off to a different country.

No, we won't allow them.

If rich execs flee then we'll have them assassinated.

See: USSR. But better.

Yeah but it would have to focus on open dialogue and defy the same forces of simple minded globalisation that effect Africa as much as America. Your leftists always talk about cultural appropriation. Who cares when everything just becomes one homogeneous bit of Katy Perry muzak.

Commies are the regular left.

They just talk about social issues instead of economic issues.

The reasoning is the same.

The alt-left would be classical liberals... aka libertarians.

What's needed is a new third party that sheds the more exclusionary elements of the "alt-right" (while keeping important core tenets) and absorbs the disaffected Bernouts, Libertarians, Greens and other ragtag "independents." Market it as sane, "neutral" and anti-"professional politics."

Given the right candidates, such a party could hit hard in the next election cycle

It's not Alt-Left.

It's Ctrl-Left.

What the fuck even is the Alt Left?

You do realize the so called "Alt Right" by design isn't committed to one platform or another, right? If Trump announced he was making the US a "Worker's Party" we'd all be Socialists, but if he just makes things Protectionist Capitalism we'll be that too.

Anyone who commits to a meme like Capitalism or Socialism or Aleppo without looking at the current context of events is retarded.