Your thoughts on communism?

Your thoughts on communism?

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Okay on paper.

Not economically and socially viable.

I long for the day you hilloliposters kill yourself with this degenerate meme

Only worked for China

>Hillary
>communist

>China
>Communist

Read a history book you dumb nigger

Key word there is HISTORY... You dumb nigger.

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yes user
the only thing you have to lose are your chains

It's a perfect system for a perfect world. Maybe 5000-10000 from now we'll be perfect enough to have communism. Not now though.

Sounds nice, works horribly and tramples all over people's free will as it flounders about in reality.

doesn't account for human nature which makes it a catastrophic failure in practice

next

We could progress better, faster, stronger, harder as a species under communist-type government.

Hope we will try it again soon

>confirmed that China was ok under communism.
How does that close the thread you dumb nigg?

Fix the whole 1 party system thing and provide a bill of rights and we cool.

you mean like the country you and me live in?

It isn't even Hillary but a model

Made by a super autistic lazy edgylord rich Kraut and his gay friend
Communism never worked in the past, never work now and won't work in future

Wish it worked but as humans we like rewards and a majority likes to cut corners when we can

>shit
Well played
I make under minimum for 8h/d and there's still worse

Where are you from, what part of srb?

Niš

She was an ugly ass kid

She was very attractive as a kid
sadly, she aged like aged milk

it's a system that will never work and the reason why it will never work is because of mankind

I second this.
Hillpillers need to fucking die.

shit-tier failed economic system

A shit, whatever else could be said for it, whatever anyone wants to argue about it's merits, it has verifiably rotted the brains of college kids in my country. Some of these Marxist kiddies seem to be barely functionally retarded, living off of their parent's money or the government tit and producing absolutely nothing of value.

PURGE

SLAY THE COLLECTIVIST. THE ABOLITION OF PROPERTY SERVES TO MAKE US SURVIVAL AS NO SLAVE OWNS PROPERTY. LET NO MAN SAY THAT COMMUNITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL NOR THE INDIVIDUAL MORE IMPORTANT THAN COMMUNITY. INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS PROTECT EVEN THE SMALLEST OF US.

Fucking commies

Pretty good, though I prefer anarcho-syndicalism

History repeats itself.

For you

Refute the idealogy, i dare you

They cant

Research the fall of the soviet union. Don't give me a meme response.

>party in power is the communist party of china
they changed their brand of communism slightly to not collapse like the soviet union

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>Soviet Union
>fell

Superior to capitalism if people aren't lazy cunts.
Won't work anywhere in my lifetime.

Why when I went to China did it seem more capitalist and consumerist than the USA or any Western European country?

Sounds like someone didnt attend history class

Have you ever been on a job site without a manager? It's inefficient and you don't get anything done because nobody is in charge. The opposite also holds true. Nothing gets done of everybody tries to be the manager.

>when he hasnt taken Economics

They changed it in a way, it's not comparable to communism like Marx described it in any way

did capitalism ever worked???

>vietnam
>laos
>venezuela
>literally all former soviet satellite states
>ussr
>north korea
all have either fallen apart, are falling apart, or are in the shitter (see: vietnam and north korea)
you were saying?
the only commieshit country that has seen any sort of success is china and that's because they had to change their brand of commieshit to survive past the fall of the soviet union

This is too deep for me. I'm out!

It's shit.

>any of that
>historically recorded
>implying

Come back when you've taken Finance

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>not further elaborating on your point
the countries i listed are all marxist leninist and they're all fucked but ok i guess lmao

Try again in 8 years ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>Laos
>marxist

Signed up for Intro to Laotian Government yet, kiddo?

>Refute the idealogy, i dare you

According to Marx you can only get to communism by through developing a capitalistic system to its logical conclusion.

If you try to do it with your regular government crooks or bank robbers in charge you end up with state terror and starvation.

>cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/la.html
>government: communist state

better dead than red

> check name of pic
> internet explorer temp
I know your country has suffered and is backwards because of communism, but this is just bad taste OP.

They look pretty funny when they're thrown out of helicopters.

It's not the end that is the problem, it's the path. You have to have socialism before communism. Once you fork over all of you rights to the government, they're supposed to disband and give the means of production back to the people. So imagine for a moment you're this all powerful minority and your job now is it basically give it all up and become a worker at factory 12 so everyone else in your contete building can sit at home and sleep. They simply say no and kill anyone who disagrees. Boom! Communist paradise.

if It means I get to pound Hillary's sweet fat ass into a hospital stretcher I'm game for whatever political system you want to use to destroy america.

>You have to have socialism before communism.

According to who?

Marx you idiot.

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Marx said advanced, industrial capitalism was required before communism, not socialism.

Last official slogan for the communist party of USSR was "communism in 20 years", adopted in 1960's.

>Thinking about communism
That's how it gets ya, user

CTR shill

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

the point still applies

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>says the leaf

Hillary was such a cute little girl and she grew up to be a beautiful woman with a great smile :3

It was a mistake. We should've listened

>when you havent gotten around to enrolling in Marx Intro

No war but the class war

which has killed more humans, communism or islam?

not an argument

>its a hasnt taken Argumentative Theory episode

The opiate of man-babies.

They tried it in dozens of countries and it was a cataclysmic failure every single time.

>when you drop out the course and dont know a thing about communism

when DOESNT it work is a better question

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

You go to Hong Kong?

>says while posting from an electronic device

Nah, all Chinese megapolises are as capitalist as it can get.

Marx argues that as the economy grows under capitalism, technology advances. As technology advances wages decrease while labour input increases while also decreasing the honor of labour and the living conditions of the laborer.

Let us first condemn these accusations as technophobic and drawn entirely from a realm of emotions, not having any correspondence to the world in its actual form.

First: the argument that as technology grows wages decrease.

This is clearly untrue, evidence against this can be found by comparing the living conditions between any developed and developing nation.

As technology increases more production is increased leading to a cheapening of the value of products and an increase in the quality of said products. Due to the cheapening of said product the wages paid will always pay for more products in the larger economy.

Consider the wages of those in the middle of Mali an African Country vs the low class of the USA, obviously it can be seen that the low wages of the lower class in the USA overshadow the wages of the middle class of mali.

We can now say clearly that this is just overly emotional and fearful rhetoric
Second:as technology advances labour input is increased and value of said labour is decreased.

This is also clearly untrue when we consider the high paying wages of the U.S. Factory worker when the manufacturing was done chiefly in said country.

It is obvious that as technology advances according to the principles of Fordism and scientific management(Taylorism) physical input from workers decreases while increasing the wages of said workers because every corporation wishes to turn a profit they shall pay their employees enough to earn said profit.

When you maximize the gains of your corporation you maximize the payment of your workers.

As such we can now clearly say after examining these principles and the state of reality as history judges that this argument is nothing but emotion fueled fearful rhetoric.

This

THE NARRATIVE
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Second:as technology advances labour input is increased and value of said labour is decreased.

This is also clearly untrue when we consider the high paying wages of the U.S. Factory worker when the manufacturing was done chiefly in said country.

It is obvious that as technology advances according to the principles of Fordism and scientific management(Taylorism) physical input from workers decreases while increasing the wages of said workers because every corporation wishes to turn a profit they shall pay their employees enough to earn said profit.

When you maximize the gains of your corporation you maximize the payment of your workers.

Consider industralization, yes low paying jobs were destroyed but they were replaced by a myriad of newly created jobs. The same result will occur with full automation.

As such we can now clearly say after examining these principles and the state of reality as history judges that this argument is nothing but emotion fueled fearful rhetoric.

Third: it is argued that as the economy grows the honor of the worker is decreased and the further is he exploited.

I argue that seeking honor for physical labour, that is to say for payment, is an unrealistic demand that is made purely to appeal to the emotions of those who feel the need to be honored or respected without placing any extra work for that as payment.

The only honors and glory one should receive from his work is the following. The honor of knowing he provided for himself, the honor of knowing he provided for his family, and the honor of knowing he helped his nation-state/society with his work.

Seeking of any further honor than these is pointless.

After understanding that this was nothing but an attempt at appealing towards the emotions of the poor and the emotions of the narcissistic we can now say that is was again nothing but emotion fueled rhetoric.

Lenin*

Communism is a cute ideal, but the vast majority of people are too selfish for it to ever work. The urge to be better than your peers in some way or to be special is too ingrained in us.

This.

The natural tendency of society should be an increase in real wages due to technological advancement. Any deviation from this tendency comes from something appropriating that wealth.

The second one of the "pure" ideologies to fail, followed not soon after by the last.
The idea that any idea would just be good or bad when it is so complex is just retarded, the good pieces should be picked from the scraps of them and applied where appliccable, the rest should be left to rot.

Easily Islam

Ah, yeah, wasnt there something in the 90's where China had to make their mega cities into Laissez-Faire places to make up for the rest of the nation?