Ok, so barely 7 minutes into this movie
>you'll never be able to do what you want
>at police camp, struggling mightily
>suddenly excels for no apparent reason
>graduates
Compare this to the pacing and build-up of Mulan.
Is the rest of the movie going to be this bad?
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maybe because that's not the main plot of the movie you fucking retard
>suddenly excels for no apparent reason
we see here reading and exercising when everyone else is asleep
that, rocky style, tells us that she is pushing the limit well beyond what anyone else is doing
her effort, determinatiom, and enthusiasm easily tells the audience in 10 seconds why she succeeds over her larger companions
an actual piece of succeeding for no reason is someone telling her trite advice like "believe in herself" then cutting to her sucess
but we get a short but realistic explanation for how she could go from 0 to 100 so quickly
also keep in mind this is her backstory, they need to get it out of the way to begin the real plot
to devote so much time to it would basically turn the movie from "lethal weapon" to "full metal jacket"
It's called a montage
It takes place over quite some time, but is condensed for the audience
Mulan does the same thing over the course of a song, the pacing is actually quite similar
The main difference between this and Mulan is that there's no big moment where Judy's training thematically fits with the rest of the movie. In Mulan, she learns that doing things differently can often offer different and maybe better solutions. In Zootopia she just uses her small size to her advantage, which isn't really the whole point of the movie.
Basically this. Judy excelling at her training is more just to establish that she is incredibly qualified for her job and that she worked hard to achieve it.
It more sets the tone for the prejudice tone of the movie. This Bunny girl who worked her ass off to finally be a real cop and is really good at what she does, is stuck doing meter maid activities because she's a bunny and despite her hard work and credentials, no one will ever take her seriously. Although really starting out as a meter maid should be expected. I don't know why you'd expect to be a beat cop right out of the academy.
If that offends you at all it's only going to get MUCH worse.
OP, did you just want furry Police Academy?
I mean I miss Motormouth Jones too but that series will never come back
You really paused the movie to post this shit?
We don't care about your little live watch.
The bunny is a terrible police officer, corrupt as fuck
Nah, they did a training montage. Also since this was her goal since she was a little girl, she had ample of motivation.
> and exercising when everyone else is asleep
This cripples your growth, it doesn't enhance it.
Both Judy and Mulan should have failed. Women have no business pretending to be warriors or cops.
I wish there was more porn of Bellweather. I want to cum on her weird teeth.
previous movie was more interesting, this looks like better version of Cats Don't Dance
What kind of faggot comments on the pacing and structure of a movie without watching the whole thing?
fpbp in a shit thread, OP should be ashamed of himself
The montage could have lasted more than one minute and a half, though
Are you looking at human physiology, rabbit physiology, or sentient rabbit from zootopia physiology
But that would go against the point the point of a montage, which is to get across a long series of events in a short period of time. Now stop trying to finds things to bitch about like some wannabe YouTube critic and finish the fucking movie you faggot.
Did you seriously pause the movie after 7min to rant about it on Sup Forums?
She had been tough since she was nine years old (at least what we've seen) and she was training after that. She wasn't completely clueless or unfit for training as it was her lifelong dream, but we see her training herself outside of her required academy time in a montage that fast forwards through the months of academy and she's the super cop she always wanted to be.
The days (or months) of Mulan's training was suddenly put on her after training her life to be a bride. Her becoming competent that fast is actually less believable, but the song makes it more palatable.
Modern day animated movie watch on Sup Forums in a nutshell
>I don't know why you'd expect to be a beat cop right out of the academy.
She conflated standard police practice as institutional racism. Judy spent so long on the "ain't no pred gon' tell me I can't be a cop" train she completely ignored the reality of how cops become cops, and in this way assumed being assigned to the ZPD automatically meant she'd start as a super cop.
That's one of the things I like about the movie, anyone who has even a modicum of sense can see that Judy is objectively in the wrong for like half the movie, and it's only after she starts a fucking race war does she realise that maybe shes been wrong the entire time.
The weird thing that Mulan doesn't actually become competent. She never really fights any enemy, she just poses with a sword dramatically and then gets rekt. The whole training shit was almost for nothing.
Then why even have it
She probably expected to be assigned as a beat cop, maybe partnered with someone more experienced. There's a lot of room between super cop and meter maid.
as it should be. silly women.
Most large cities have meter maids as either a separate department from the police or contract parking enforcement out to private companies. Realistically she'd either be assigned to desk duty or be given a partner. I personally think the film would have been better off with a bit of a time skip to her being on the force long enough to not be considered a rookie anymore but still the new guy so her objections feel less like entitlement.
>he doesnt know
There is that time she used rocket artillery to kill the invading force by creating an avalanche, turning a massive invasion into a desperate, last-ditch assassination plot.
The montage was her finding alternative ways to get the postivie result, just like at the end of the film when she realizes a classical military resolution to the huns invasion is doomed to fail. So no her training didnt train her to fight good it trained her to think creatively so in every single way her training was a success.
>pausing a film to shitpost on Sup Forums
keep watching, nigger
True, but to me it makes sense. I mean, she'd only been in Zootopia for a day when she started, parking duty would both give her a chance to get to know the city, and give Bogo a chance to see if she could follow orders (which, given the fact that she immediately abandoned her post and started a chase that could have killed dozens of people in Little Rodentia, proved she was in no way qualified to be a real cop).
I'm not saying Bogo was 100% in the right, and there was certainly some bias in his decisions, but they seemed firmly rooted in Judy getting her assignment to the ZPD because of affirmative action, rather than her own merits.
>Nick is an 80 lb fox
Is dude fucking ripped underneath that aloha shirt?
he's also about a foot taller than the largest red foxes are long
>the "yes" box of the "have you ever been arrested/convicted/etc." section is checked, then scribbled out and changed to "no"
God damn I love the details in this movie
Judy made the objectively right call, as not responding would have meant that the ZPD was willfully allowing a criminal to escape. Whether or not her actions during the chase were particularly wise is a different story, but it's not like the larger animals would have been any more of a help in that situation.
That's definitely one advantage that 3D has over 2D. You have modelers and designers working separately from the animators.So you can have a dedicated team putting all the time and effort into little world building aspects of things like this. And you don't have to worry about the animator constantly having to draw/write that detail when Judy holds the sheet of paper. Once you modeled it, it's modeled and you can do anything with it.
In his speech when handing out assignments, he says there's New Recruits, as if there's several new guys. If the other newbies get partnered off and sent to work the case, it's not unreasonable to be pissed at getting parking duty on your own.
cgi saved the movie, first they wanted to make a movie about a fox trying to open a ghetto in apartheid ruled city, then they saw a bunny in uniform, how about a movbie about bunny who wants to be a cop instead?
I think that a version of Zootopia with Judy paired with Clauhauser and Nick as a supporting character would have worked.
i don't remember Judy having a sweet male sung song about being a man...FAGGOT
It's a movie you don't become a better boxer by chasing chickens or eating raw egg either
I literally just watched this last night, and I'm pretty fond of it.
I personally thought the pacing made a fair amount of sense, since the first part of the movie was spent establishing Judy and her background, as well as the world the movie takes place in. The whole mystery aspect was done well, since little clues were being left here and there to keep you interested while still keeping some things secret. I loved the jokes too, what with all the little references and jabs that Disney took at itself, in addition to the actual banter and jokes between characters
I think they tried a little too hard to incorporate race relations though, since a lot of it didn't translate well. Like that scene with Judy and the fat leopard.
>Oh you are just the most nigga little black person I have ever seen!
>Aaaactually, a black person can call a black person nigga, but not someone else
Plus, the song was kinda lame, especially since Shakira didn't sound anything like she normally does.
Do you think Nick and Judy take turns and double team Chief Bogo's dick while he watches Gazelle videos on his phone?
>I think they tried a little too hard to incorporate race relations though, since a lot of it didn't translate well. Like that scene with Judy and the fat leopard.
>>Oh you are just the most nigga little black person I have ever seen!
>>Aaaactually, a black person can call a black person nigga, but not someone else
I think that scene was important as it established that PC language-control shenanigans exist in this animal-people fantasy world. This later contrasts against Nick who calls Judy "carrots" because she's a bunny and then doubles back when it's Judy and not Nick who's truly hung up on other people's "race"
You stopped watching a movie, 7 minutes in, just to make a thread to bash it on Sup Forums?
Because those events set up Judy's character for us, they show us who she is and her personality, and it also show-dont-tells us about how Zootopia's police force views smaller animals.
Or would you rather them spout exposition at you like a brainlet?
You are so impatient you stop 7 minutes into something to complain, take screenshots,and make a blogpost about it.
Holy fuck you must be insufferable in real life.
This is the prologue, OP. It's before the TITLE SEQUENCE. It's supposed to be brisk and get itself out of the way. It's efficient and concisely communicates what it needs to.
What's the lesson of the movie then? Is it not "You can overcome all obstacles and stereotypes with hard work?"
Foxes can be assholes throughout the movie and you'll be the one who ends up apologizing to them.
ye olde "dont judge book by the cover" with some racist undertones here and there.
>What's the lesson of the movie then?
fug the bun
>Or would you rather them spout exposition at you like a brainlet?
Well all of Judy's social obstacles are explained to her in words to us as of we were brainlets. Oh gosh, I guess bunnies = women/minorities. Thanks for the powerful lesson, Disney. Truly I am woke now.
"Everybody's a little racist but acknowledging and getting above those beliefs is what matters"
>Judy made the objectively right call, as not responding would have meant that the ZPD was willfully allowing a criminal to escape.
I'd argue she jumped the gun without even checking to see if there were any other cops in the area that could have prevented Weaselton from going into Little Rodentia to begin with (by blocking the way in, for instance), but I will admit her initial response at its core was not wrong. However, all that becomes moot if her actions during the chase are objectively more of a threat to public safety than anything the criminal is doing, and as a cop she should have had the sense of mind to not endanger the lives of the people in Little Rodentia.
>it's not unreasonable to be pissed at getting parking duty on your own.
No, you are correct in that it was unfair. However, it is VERY unreasonable to go full action movie cop the second the opportunity presents itself solely because you want to "prove yourself". Judy had been on the force for like two days, she had zero right to ignore police procedure just because her situation wasn't overly fair.
It's more complicated than that; there aren't any strict analogues like "bunnies=women". Judy gets shit from the police chief for being a small animal, Nick gets shit for being a fox, predator species in general get shit as the plot develops.
Is it secret plotting that although Bogo thought Judy couldn't cut it as a cop because she was a bunny, he was REALLY angry at her presence because the mayor forced her on him as a diversity promotion? At her graduation the mayor talked about her being sent to the First Precinct like it was a great thing, so as a rookie should she have gone to a different precinct but got skipped to the big league cuz muh lagomorph?
Reminder that nobody actually believes oppression exists except soyboy. All my black friends wish it’d be easy like in slave days where you don’t have to work
>where you don’t have to work
>don't have to
>slavery
>don't have 2
I still don't think Bogo was intentionally keeping her from becoming a cop and was giving her a low end job until she got more experienced. Am I wrong? Was there something in the movie I missed that proves otherwise? Should I masturbate to Judy?
>Although really starting out as a meter maid should be expected. I don't know why you'd expect to be a beat cop right out of the academy.
That's the usual case though. Go on beat with a partner for a probationary period, then on beat by yourself. Same with everyone he knew, it's how police get a feel of things before being allowed to apply for specialist areas/units or being placed elsewhere. There's no point in training as a beat cop to just be a meter maid. Just hire a meter maid for half the cost.
How does one get experience to be a beat cop as a meter maid, exactly?
Getting to know the town I guess? She just moved there and I doubt she knows much about the city.
...
Didn't Bogo push the "results in 48 hours or you're fired" thing on her? When Nick pointed out how unfair it was he folded pretty quickly, indicating he knew it was overly-harsh.
It established Judy's determined character and that she's trained (hard) as a cop rather than just walking in off the street and getting a uniform. This is a cartoon so they have to show certain details or they get glossed over.
I'm thinking he did that because he was pissed about her stepping out of line and telling that otter she'll find her husband. A sort of a heat of the moment thing.
and how does driving around alone teach her about the town? At best, it teaches her how to navigate it, it teaches her nothing about how to actually interact with the citizens she will serve and protect, or what neighborhoods to avoid, or any of the other myriad things being partnered with a more experienced cop would teach her.
He had literally just fired her. Giving her a 48-hour extension was just a quick way to save face because Bellwether (and, by extension, the mayor) had found out she had accepted the Otterton case.
Zootopia is a huge place, a low-impact, high travel job like meter maid would give Judy the ability to learn the city quicker than she would if she was paired with a beat cop, since they tend to be assigned sections of the city and it would take a lot longer for her to learn the ins and outs of the city.
That, and having his own authority undermined thanks to Bellweather stepping in. The 48 hours limit seemed less like a genuine offer and more like his way of firing her while still acquiescing to the government (and, I mean, if Judy could solve the damn near unsolvable case in 48 hours, she really did deserve to be a cop).
learning to navigate the city is the least important part of a cop's job. Meter maid is almost entirely divorced from actual police work, to the point where many real police departments contract it out to independent companies.
I'd watch the fuck out of a furry FMJ, The Departed, or Training Day.
>studies and trains every chance she gets
>learns to utilize her strengths such as speed and agility
>excels for no apparent reason
Try to actually watch the movie, you ADHD faggot. No wonder you only lasted 7 minutes, eat your fucking Adderal.
well it should, heck Zootopia 2 should just be Police Academy, or at least Police Squad.
Badly worded, but I get what you mean. Some people are just happier following orders instead of being in charge if their success. That's why there's so many blacks in the army.
Were all racists but that shouldn't define us and we should keep trying to be better
>Is it secret plotting that although Bogo thought Judy couldn't cut it as a cop because she was a bunny, he was REALLY angry at her presence because the mayor forced her on him as a diversity promotion? At her graduation the mayor talked about her being sent to the First Precinct like it was a great thing, so as a rookie should she have gone to a different precinct but got skipped to the big league cuz muh lagomorph?
If it will, it's never be as good as 1 or 2. Or even 3 and 4. Maybe it will reach at least 5 and 6 levels, but most likely it will be Mission to Moscow tier.
Except there are women and prey animals in the police force you moron, you can see them in the background. The minority allegories don't even start until later. They give her a hard time because she's at a literal disadvantage, with her species being small and weak.
Judy is quite obviously meant to be an allegory for women entering a formerly all-male field, though
>she completely ignored the reality of how cops become cops
While you're right, everyone more or less ridiculed her. People talked down to her, no one took her seriously (barring the tiger guy), and in a heat of passion she wound up vindicating every single prejudice they had against her.
Everyone involved was in the wrong. Everyone.
This is true she blackmails a minority into helping her working for her to and nearly gets him killed by the mob which she then befriends essentially working with organized crime rather than against it
And she ignores that the mob just tried to murder her.
If humans were in Zootopia what role would they play there? Jews?
But Francine and maybe the tiger are females. You can see it that way, but it's distracting when she's not the first female cop. The tiger is even supposed to be almost as good as Bogo.
if she was literally the first female cop, it wouldn't be an allegory
>ITT
You retards were told time and time again that this isn't about racism or misandry or whatever the fuck else hamfisted like that. It's about subverting expectations and overcoming the present you to become someone you can be proud of:
>bunny too weak to protect anyone saves the day and protects millions
>swindler fox helps uncover a plot and joins the police force
>weak willed doormat sheep is actually a manipulative mastermind
>asshole bully fox becomes nice guy who brings happiness to people with his pies
... what?
No, your theory falls apart simply because she isn't the first female. It has nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with her having an extremely high risk of getting killed easily.
>isn't familiar with the concept of montage
He said that if a thing is something literally, it isn't that allegorically. Fairly obvious, isn't it?
>can't watch 7 minutes of a movie without asking Sup Forums what he thinks of it
What's wrong with OP? Is he retarded or just a faggot?
it's not a theory, it's a plain allegory. It's allegory BECAUSE she isn't the first female.
You can do anything you want and be anything you want but some people are just naturally going to be better at it than you
>You retards were told time and time again
by who, other retards on Sup Forums?
If Judy pegs Nick, can she still be an atheist?
By the non-retards, obviously.