First, the United States was the epicenter and originator of popular animation and cartoons. Then, into the later 20th-century, Japan overtook America as the new great animation station.
Is France going to be the next big animation wonder? Will it be able to produce the next big wave of animation, comics, and cartoon storytelling within the next severa generations?
They gotta do something about that Muslim immigration thing first. And this is coming from a liberal.
Hint: Rebuild the Middle East.
Wyatt Bailey
>Japan overtook America as the new great animation station.
Just because you go to anime cons doesn't mean the country cares about anime as much as it cares about Disney.
Carter Baker
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Michael Sanders
Only if it keeps producings sexualy charged characters.
Austin Bailey
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Grayson Price
France had animation and film before the US did. Google Emile Cohl.
Isaac Reed
Immigration is an entrepreneurial, cultural, and economic boon to a given country. I know a lot of recent immigration and refugee problems have created some social unrest, but people coming to other countries of their own valuation is somewhat of a risk in of itself, and the fresh ideas and drive that they possess in a new society will allow them to thrive and produce new things that wouldn't have otherwise been produced.
The same applies to the animation and creative industry. Immigrants penetrating the art sector will contribute new IPs and concepts in an otherwise stale market that cannot think outside the box. (i.e. Superman, the greatest American hero and progenitor of all western superhero comics, was invented by Canadian immigrants to the United States)
But it never hit the big time on the level of Disney and other big name studios. France might have developed the technology first, but it never dominated the market and brought fresh new concepts to entertainment in the same way the United States or Japan did. How, however, that might be changing.
Brandon Lopez
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Aaron Moore
I doubt it and frankly I kinda hope not. We're fine making things for their own purpose instead of trying to conquer the world through animation. And you probably don't want us to try either, remember Arthur and the Minimoys or however they translated it.
Brayden Allen
When will we see the rise of German animation?
Nicholas Flores
The King and the Mockingbird is credited as a big influence on Miyazaki and Takahata, who in turn heavily influenced theatrical animation in Japan.
Alexander Hernandez
After France.
Liam Morris
That doesn't count tho
Elijah Brown
I'm not sure what you mean by "hit the big time" in this context. I think that creating/pioneering film and animation is substantial enough for any credit. The US stuff by Disney is good, but you have to remember that came about 30 years later. And with anime another 30+ years after that. So, you can see it is not such a simple thing to compare them all together. I think what you are really referring to is longevity.
Hunter Foster
Huh? Why the fuck wouldn't it?
John Cook
What do you mean?
Henry Morgan
>Then, into the later 20th-century, Japan overtook America as the new great animation station.
ITT: Things that never happened
Daniel Wood
>French animation >survivining Macron "reforms" on anything
Justin Bailey
Are you paid well by Soros at least? Just asking.
Nathaniel Ortiz
>Rebuild the Middle East. Arabs countrys are way more rich and able to do it than the West. don't hate Europe when your Emirates prefer to fund a new golf trak in the desert.
Hunter Wilson
Macron follows the money and knows that france leades the world in art. He's ok with it. He's not right wing like the world tends to portray
Josiah Brown
I hope so.
Evan Allen
In that video he addresses Japan's case, which I disagree with him on, as Japan's a special case of a country. Despite its social and economic problems, I don't think they'll need large-scale immigration. But all of his points still remain for literally every other country on the planet. He speaks true.
Joseph Thompson
What is this?
Carson Moore
Immigration is a cancer for humanity, that destroys the different civilizations in the name of global economical dictatorship.
Kevin King
>(You)
James Brooks
The only reform he's made that concerns media is changing who chooses the leaders of public media from the CSA (censors) to unions of public media workers. This is somewhere between irrelevant and good.
Cooper Walker
Could you faggots abstain for one fucking thread.
Landon Barnes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Macron is like a politically correct Trump, economics wise
Henry Cooper
He's a centrist
Camden Fisher
Why? Your boss is offended?
Aiden Cooper
Because we're trying to talk about cartoons here, not dummy's first hot take on global politics. There's a board for that.
Andrew Lopez
France should be able to produce the cartoons that America will never do.
Jackson Davis
Some shit adaptation of a mediocre but fun french comics And apparently as much Sup Forumspedo bait as that shit Sisters comics
Colton Jackson
I see people praising French cartoons a lot, but as far as good recent TV animation I'm only familiar with Lastman Have they produced anything else worthwhile?
Ian Moore
nah, french always had a couple of great cartoons (especially when they work with japanese), but the large majority is childish crap even worse than Ladybug
Logan Watson
go watch Dofus and Wakfu Asterix - The Mansions of the gods was fun too but I couldnt find a solid sub for it, sadly.
Jonathan Gutierrez
no france also heavily subsidizes their arts & film industry in order to out compete hollywood and they still get drowned out. as much of a hit as wakfu was on image boards doesn't mean its a success with a general international audience, they had to have a kickstarter in order to even produce a dub and it was terrible.
Ryan Clark
>Is France going to be the next big animation wonder? Nope. We just don't have the entertainment infrastructure for it. Hell it's already really hard for our national channels to produce live-action TV shows that aren't cheap SOL or very lowkey crime stories, so bigger animation projects are completely out of the question, asidre from a handful of movies really.
Mason Campbell
>Have they produced anything else worthwhile? Not really in TV format. Far too expensive, none of the networks can really afford it outside of kid shows that are easier to sell and broadcast.
Jonathan Hughes
I'm French but I don't own a TV so only shows I'm familiar with are ironically through Sup Forums, and they're not really good. As a general rule though We're better at theatrical than TV.
Mansion of Gods was theatrical.
Benjamin Bell
>tfw Besson is willing but has absolutely horrendous taste in animation
Adrian Brooks
in TV animation? In the 80s oldies category, Ulysses 31 and the Mysterious Cities of Gold are great cartoons (but it's franco-japanese) More "recently" (already 11 years ago), Oban Star Racers was uite good
Lucas Williams
France seems to have more creative freedom than the USA (just an observation). Euro animation also seems to have anime influences without seeming copy-cat. I'm not well informed on this, but France does look like it has a lot of potential animation wise.
What about Italy? Whats Italy's potential?
Ryan Peterson
>t. 'the unconquered' descendants of ye olde Kent and Essex, who took invader dick like champs
You do you, you six toed pony fuckers.
Ayden Gutierrez
If we're allowed to go that far back then there's a decent number. From the 70s through the 2000s or so you've got the Once Upon a Time... series. Animal of Farthing Woods was an EU production but used mostly British and French talent. The 90s Tintin adaptation was good, as have been all the Lucky Luke ones (1984, 1991, 2001). Aside from New Lucky Luke late 1990s and early 2000s Xilam produced solid things like Space Goofs or Oggy and the Cockroaches. The Lascars is pretty good. I feel bad for forgetting the Shadocks. Even Galactik Football, despite being mediocre, is probably a better sports cartoon than anything the US has produced.
And yeah actually recently there's Les Grandes Grandes Vacances which Sup Forums seems for once to love for other reasons than waifus.
Aaron Roberts
we have more creative freedom than USa because we aren't restricted by puritan laws and an extreme mindset of " doing animation solely for money" in France, i believe there is a real research of experimentation and research about animation
i don't know about Italy, what did they produced recently ?
Landon Clark
Italy has made pic related, they're allowed to rest on their laurels now. Are you trying to summon WITCHfag?
Brody Carter
>in France, i believe there is a real research of experimentation and research about animation Sort of but that's mostly art students over at Gobelins these days, not in mainstream TV animation, not anymore.
Charles Campbell
>Implying the Germanics can make anything that isn't terrifying.
Anthony Ward
Lets ruin the thread by summon him W.I.T.C.H and Winx are 2 that come to mind
Hudson James
t.bh what you see on TV is what makes mainly money (except for oddballs like LastMan) you need to be in a partilcularly restricted kabal of indie animator
Parker Williams
What France needs is it's own version of the Manga industry, and then the popular french comics then get adapted by studios into animation.
Nolan Sullivan
It's like you have no idea how France works. Our local comic book industry is ridiculously active and has been overproducing for a while now. Problem is again that there isn't really anyone who can pay for TV adaptations of succesful comic books because animation is that expensive. Meaning that there are some adaptations but only of the really most popular stuff which is usually childrens gag or SOL series.
Camden Powell
>What France needs is it's own version of the Manga industry That has existed for longer than Marvel or DC have existed. Pic related is one of the French equivalents to Shonen Jump, and has been published consistently since 1938. >then the popular french comics then get adapted by studios into animation. That has also been a thing for decades.
Evan Evans
>French Well Belgian really, but same difference when it comes to this.
Caleb Moore
>Tintin Magazine is dead >Pilote is dead >A Suivre is dead >Métal Hurlant is dead >even fucking Pif Gadget is dead why did things have to go so wrong?
Angel Wright
Oversaturation maybe? General downswing of the market (especially faced with manga starting in the 80s)? I dunno but it's a good question. There's still L'Echo des Savanes at least.
Alexander Roberts
Oh and Pif is still a thing, albeit only published every 3 months.
Kayden Rivera
Let me rephrase that. What France needs is it's own version of the Manga industry, in that it needs to be popular with nerdy Americans with NEET bux.
Jose Mitchell
Fluide Glacial is still arround too right? >I dunno but it's a good question. That was kind of a rethoric question, we know what killed the prepublication magazine and it was : >TV When we got rid of the 2 national channel standard and got first 4 then 5 then 6 and cable in less than 15 years, there was a sudden afflux of entertainment that was pretty much all for the same price that you were already paying anyway (except for cable obviously) and that was what took comic books out of their spot as the first form of entertainment for the family >split in readership I don't think it can be overstated how much of a divide Pilote and its editorial policies created in the late 60s and how that caused the massive split in the 70s between the aging family friendly formula that had been the norm for so long and more leftfield, artsy, experimental stuff. So in the end the "all ages" formula of Spirou and Tintin couldn't survive and the traditionnal adventure series were outdated in a sense now that there could be similar things focusing on one audience precisely. And it's interesting to see that to this day editors are still reaching for that unattainable title that will be good for everyone.
Ryder Walker
I really would rather not. But you've got the whole Franga branch with things like Wakfu and the Ankama catalog in general (Freaks Squeele) that are fairly popular with Sup Forums and Americans in general, they're just very poorly distributed in the US for some reason that eludes me.
Isaiah Hughes
Yeah but Sup Forums's so worthless even /mlp/ is a better board, at least it works as a containment board.
Henry Diaz
>Fluide Glacial is still arround too right? Right, for some reason I always fuse it with L'Echo in my head.
The TV part was kind of implied by the general downswing of the comic market, but I didn't know about the splitting readership part. You're way more knowledgeable on that topic than I am, thanks for the info.
Ryder Harris
dude, you think media workers don't follow all his reform on the working time and shit? get real. After transport their next to lose all their state money and special status.
Luis Robinson
But they have. Its called euro-manga. But it wasnt successfull.
Brandon Parker
Possibly, we'll see when that happens, as is it's purely speculation. There have already been 2 strikes from the public media since his election and he's barely grazed them at all, they probably won't go out too easy.
Honestly I wouldn't oppose them losing their full summer vacations, there's no real reason TV production should grind to a halt in summer.
Zachary Gutierrez
Euro collaboration TV cartoons ought to be a thing again. Il etait une fois.. stuff was awesome.
Parker Gomez
>Intermarriage is a cancer for humanity, that destroy the different lineages in the name of global familial dictatorship.
Thomas Gray
If you want to see how much of a difference there was, try to find the compiled semesters of some magazines. They all used to do it (and Spirou still does it). Compare Pilote to Spirou or Tintin at a similar period. The difference in tone, styles, types of content is insane. Like, in the same issue of a magazine you can have two pages of Lucky Luke, Gotlib being a shithead, a single-page quickie of Brétécher, four pages of Druillet, Achille Talon and a short-novel. And really if you can find some of the Pilote semesters, do get them. The majority of what was in it was not only really good but has also never been published ever since, especially as it had so many one-shots and quickies, some of which by people who are completely forgotten now.
Landon Perez
>Hint: Rebuild the Middle East. Hint: America should just stop destroying it in the first place.
Lincoln Bell
France and Ireland are both great. They aren't controlled by big studios afraid to take risks (America) or a shitty fan "subculture" pressuring them into making formulaic schlock (Japan).
Gavin Ramirez
I only ever read Spirou as a kid (well in the 90s there wasn't much choice left) but even there there was some tonal whiplash between something like Cédric and JKJ Bloche or Soda, although nothing to the level you're describing.
>And really if you can find some of the Pilote semesters, do get them I'm shit out of money right now but I'll think about it if I see some.
Chase Young
They are getting there.
Stuff like Les Nombrils (French >Canadian), the whole lanfeust/troy series and Sky Dolls is kinda like France own's manga niche.
Kayden Baker
>Fuck your sister >Allow millions of Arabs and Africans into Europe >Pick one
Ryan Hughes
Fuck off.
Grayson King
>One family interbreeds with itself for centuries. >Versus populations of millions.
Also plenty of the newcomers are very inbred, so you're not actually doing the population any favours genetically by introducing them.
Eli Reyes
They had to adapt ultimately, this started in the mid 70s. In the case of Spirou they ended up publishing stuff like Archie Cash (the story of a Charles Bronson lookalike enforcing law and order in South America. It was pretty violent for Spirou at the time) or the whole debacle with Les Innomables later in the 80s (a series about drug smuggling and prostitution in Hong Kong and later on about the Korean War, illustrated like Astérix. The backlash from parents was pretty bad). The damage had already been done . 90s Spirou was still somewhat better than the Disney translation dumping though. As you said it had JKJ Bloche which is pretty neat
Bentley Mitchell
>user lists legit points >Counter with buzzwords and conspiracy theories you learned from Sup Forums
Just leave, kid.
James Evans
Why should issues of culture and heritage be argued on the basis of economic wellbeing for a few people at the top? How does Pierre, Hans, or Dave, benefit from mass immigration?
Austin Campbell
Interesting. Not being a regular enough reader, I tended to skip things that relied on continuity, since I didn't actually read week to week. So things like JKJ Bloche or even Bluecoats were mostly lost on me as a kid because I spent most of my allowance buying capeshit religiously. I did get into Bluecoats not long later via albums (my main BD input throughout childhood) at least.
Grayson Clark
It would be nice if we could incorporate some of the ways we do animation and put it into a single show
Jacob Turner
Actually no, he doesn't speak the truth. What he said is over simplified drivel. There is a lot more to the case of this particular migration than "If a bunch of red blobs mix in with blue blobs we get purple!"
He's a fucking moron and so are you if you think this is that simple.
Aiden Hall
it's that comic page a Rebecca sugar work?
Samuel Hughes
>Bluecoats is still going on after 46 years and 61 albums, Cauvin and Lambil are still at the helm Holy shit.
Jonathan Howard
How do you mean? Like a Fantasia/2000/The Prophet anthology type show where it's mostly segments of mostly unrelated more or less experimental animation?
That could be neat but I don't see it making money, and it would require a hell of a budget to even get off the ground.
Joseph Foster
No, it's Germany as what is going on in France is 20 time worse then what is going on in Canada and Ireland is too busy blowing Butch Hartman and Genndy Tartakovsky to do anything meaningful.
In short just move to 3DCG like a normal person and you will be much happier this way. But those greats still had Americans involved, namely people like Tom Ruegger and Bruce Timm as their own content was not as good to say the least. No, far from it.
Kevin Bennett
France is pumping a tremendous number of good animator. Thing nobody knows is that they all end up in Pixar/Disney/Dreamworks because no publisher ever want to remotely fund something unknown or too adult/special or something. And when someone achieve something, the movie/cartoon tank because they spent all the money on actual animation rather than marketing.
Fucking hell, I was absolutly turbomad by the absolute absence of coverage for the Dofus movie. Lastman cartoon almost did not exist because their publisher dumped the creators at the last second.
This. Give me my fucking Metal Hurlant back.
I think there is one simple reason: Ankama don't have enough dosh to afford such a risky move.
Tintin Luck Luke Wakfu and Dofus Oggy and the cockroaches Oban
lmao
This. I watched it last month and I felt fucking ashamed for not knowing it before.
Plus, there is a lot of japanese artist who got inspired by Moebius' work.
Alexander Gonzalez
Animators are now taking inspiration from anime rather than American animation. America has abandoned 2D animated movies and outsourced its TV animation to Asia decades ago. Anime has taken 2D animation and animation in general beyond anything America could even envision. The anime industry has about twice the output of America. There actually are cons for anime, all over the world. Not so much for American animation (at least I've never heard of any). So yeah, Japan has overtaken America.
Jacob Mitchell
Cauvin will eventually consume Stan Lee's soul.
Joshua Foster
I'm gonna have to end up learning French, won't I? My ancestors would be ashamed. They're probably ashamed of all the 2D porn I've fapped to, though.
Cooper Taylor
Or maybe they were fapping next to you?
Brody Wright
Uhhh....
Sebastian Mitchell
>what is going on in France is 20 time worse then what is going on in Canada How is that even close to being true when it comes to animation? When did Canada make something like LastMan or Les Grandes Grandes Vacances?
Jaxson Miller
I'm french and I'd rather not have our Sup Forums-related content be too big Becoming number one also means having to produce massively Let's stay in a position where we can produce innovative quality.
Noah Sullivan
>I think there is one simple reason: Ankama don't have enough dosh to afford such a risky move. Wouldn't someone on the Anglophone market have to make the move to adapt them, rather than Ankama themselves? Isn't that how most BD makes it to foreign market?
Justin King
>Cauvin, Druillet, Peeters, Thilleux and Leloup will all die during your lifetime I keep my fingers crossed that this happens after the Hergé heirs lose their shit when Tintin falls into public domains. Nothing will make me as sad as knowing that Jean-Louis Pesch wll probably be dead within the next ten years
Henry Morales
>Not so much for American animation (at least I've never heard of any). Really?