Who Wins?

I am having a debate with my friend and I need some help. I know you guys will choose correctly.

Can't Surfer just transmute Superman into gravy or something? He's crazy powerful, he's just hamstrung by being kind of an unimaginative pussy.

Probably Silver Surfer. There's a chance Superman can beat him in a fistfight, but Power Cosmic gives SS a lot more avenues to victory. He could synthesize Kryptonite radiation and blast it from his hands, or change the wavelength of the solar energy stored in Superman's cells to red so he gets depowered, or just opens up a singularity inside his skull.

Superman does have more plot armor though, so if this were an official crossover he'd probably win.

You could'nt have picked two characters less likely to fight eachother.

Not really. In a hypothetical "Galactus comes to consume the Earth with Silver Surfer as his herald" story, Superman would definitely be one of the first to try to stop it.

Supes tries to prevent the Surfer from claiming an inhabited world for Galactus
They Fight
The fight draws the attention of Galactus who empowers Superman as his Herald
The Fantastic Four somehow get involved
Superman is freed and finds a nice uninhabited planet for the Big G

Superman. Jesus how many times does it have to be explained to casuals that Supermans power is to win. No matter what he rises to the threat. That's his character. He literally in canon cannot lose.

Silver Surfer is almost as big a jobber as Galactus

Implying

Superman would win weeb. Again that is Superman's plot device is he can't lose.

Read a comic instead of watching trash anime.

>mfw I found this at a half-price bookstore today

Also got some fist of the north star floppies.

He lost to Doomsday, then the writers pussied out a said he was in a coma, but he still fell.

Superman loses to Batman almost every time they fight.

Batman actually has a horrible record against Superman.

I can't help but think of all the people I've seen catch shit for saying "kill urself" on social media and this fucker goes out and makes an adorable how to comic about it.

>That's his character. He literally in canon cannot lose.
Except when he does.

Thats not a loss their are no stakes.

He came back and beat his shit in.

Batman beat Superman in Hush when Superman was mind-controlled by Ivy.
He beat Superman in Dark Knight Returns.
He beat him in Dark Knight Strikes Again with the giant kryptonite gloves.
Beat him in Batman: Endgame with the kryptonite gum when Joker jokerized him.
Beat him in Execution 2001 (Superman Annual Volume 2 #3)
Beat him in Superman: Red Son

>Thats not a loss their are no stakes.
The life of Supergirl was at risk and he was trying to save her before getting stopped by The Spectre.

WHos the first?

Silver Surfer turns Supes into a puddle. A presence from outside the continuum jacks Supes off, restoring him. Then he punches Surfer to death.
Win: Superman.

Half of those were him brainwashed and nerfed. In DKR Batman didn't beat him. He briefly knocked him down and had to fake a heart attack to escape, while Superman asked him to stop the whole time. A definite loss on Batman's part, and Green Arrow did the most damage to Superman in that fight anyways.

Normally this would be the case, but in this instance it isn't. There's nothing Supes could do against the Power Cosmic that the Silver Surfer posesses.

Surfer wins if he fights smart (uses red sun radiation or kryptonite radiation). Superman wins if Surfer decides to fight him H2H.

No, he's never done that against any high end brick like Thor or Hulk.

>He lost to Doomsday

Superman killed Doomsday, while he was went into a "healing coma". How is that a loss, you fucking casual?

Never doing it, does not mean that he can't do it.

Be it by one point or one hundred points, a lost is still a lost. He still fell. The character that has the plot to never lose is Droopy.

Without plot armor SS.
How it ends. Both giving a cheery farewell after a brief misunderstanding.

Hes been shown on panel to speed up the flow of time on planets, sap energy at will, and perform transmutation. The only thing holding him back is that he is a pacifist and jobs due to all of his powers.

Superman on the other hand doesn't really have anything he could do to him. Can't throw him in a blackhole/sun because he can fly right out of it. Can't separate him from his board because he controls it and can fly without it. Punches mean shit as he can tank shots from the hulk/thor. Speed is nothing to a guy whose job is crossing the galaxy all day.

>Superman killed Doomsday
No, he didn't, not in their first confrontation at least, it isn't till Hunter/Prey that Doomsday actually dies.

>One Punch Man
>trash anime
You're just as bad as a weeaboo. Blindingly feeling a way about an animation just because of where it's made.

Considering Silver Surfer can be beaten by just giving his board a hearty slap he stands no chance against Supes. Also fucking Marvel Zombies.

Are you retarded? Superman killed him, but Doomsday came back. That's his whole gimmick.

That's exactly what it means. Otherwise you're applying a no limits fallacy.

See, none of the usual methods people resort to for easy Superman wins actually work against the Surfer.

>Speed blitz!
Surfer is just as fast, if not faster.
>Throw him into space!
Surfer fucking lives there.
>Throw him into the sun!
Has the same effect on Surfer that it does on Superman.
>Throw him into a black hole!
Surfer can survive and even pass through a black hole.
>Heat vision lobotomy!
Surfer would literally eat Superman's heat vision.
>Superman can just tear him apart!
Surfer will just reform.
>Superman can time travel and trap him in the future like Doomsday!
Surfer can fucking time travel back.

Silver Surfer's power cosmic abilities allow him to not only drain Superman of his stored energy, and then blast him with Kryptonite energy blasts. He can convert our sun into a fucking red one just long enough to murder Superman.
But how does he figure this out?
Because the Surfer's brain is a mother fucking super computer, and he can analyze fucking anything and decipher how it works, it's genetic makeup, and all that shit in seconds.

The Power Cosmic is not a mother fucking joke. Marvel heroes may be weaker on average than DC hereos, but power cosmic users, Surfer especially, are borderline Doctor Manhattan levels of bullshit.

The only way Superman wins is if the writer forgets what the fuck Silver Surfer is and what he can do. That fucking comic page with T'challa manhandling Surfer is the Marvel equivalent of Batman punching Superman and not breaking his little bitch hand.

He was confirmed to have died but managed to come back from death. It was even the main plot point of Blackest Night. Superman always says “yeah this guy killed me.”

Both are felled by Stardust

But we all know who would really win.

Or generate red sun and kryptionite radiation. Or carry him to the end of time. Or go back in time and knock up his mother. Or straight-up beat him down, Surfer is CRAZY fast and has defeated Abomination with his bare hands in one page.

Dude, Surfer can defeat the entire League by himself.

>Surfer is just as fast, if not faster.
Surfer rivals the Flash himself.

Depends if Superman retains his power to punch energy beams or not, also which Superman as Superman Blue can absorb any energy so we can assume that means the power cosmic.

Let's make this a little more fair.

>Who Wins?
They all go out for pancakes. NEXT!

>Batman beat Superman in Hush when Superman was mind-controlled by Ivy.
Batman punched him in a splash page. Superman was about to smash him with a car before Catwoman broke the mind control
>He beat Superman in Dark Knight Returns
Batman gave himself a heart attack before the end of the fight, and he was more injured than Superman.

Most of those were less Batman winning and more Batman having the upper hand during a few panels. Most of those literally ended with Batman being the more injured of the bunch.

Also Endgame was full of PIS

>Beat him in Batman: Endgame with the kryptonite gum when Joker jokerized him.
>Beat him in Execution 2001 (Superman Annual Volume 2 #3)
Wasn't Superman.
>Beat him in Superman: Red Son
You mean Luthor temporarily trapped him, using Batman as a flunky, yet both failed to account for Wonder Woman.

This. Read the original silver surfer comic. I love it, but he jobs in his own fucking book.

Son Goku is beautiful.

Galactus, until you get into deities and such who aren't really in the universe

Technically Surfer can both create kryptonite, and fire concentrated beams of kryptonite radiation, so on paper he takes this easy.
But if the fight exists within a narrative of good verses evil Superman will find a way to win.

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goes without saying

>if

but Surfer in most incarnations is literally best boi

OPM is trash. The manga is 100 times better.

Silver Surfer, hands down. Too many abilities at his disposal. Id like to think he was going easy on Thor when he fought him, even though he fucking dented his head.

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>He was confirmed to have died but managed to come back from death. It was even the main plot point of Blackest Night. Superman always says “yeah this guy killed me.”
How was it the main plotpoint of blackest night dumdum?

Marvel universe its possible, DC universe no since every time he visits Lobo runs him over in space on his Hawg

>before Catwoman broke the mind control
Using Batman's plan.
>gave himself a heart attack
Also part of his plan. He incapacitates Superman and lets him know he could have killed him if he wanted to, then does the heart attack to fake his death.

>Using Batman's plan
Yeah. Which still involved SAVING Batman from getting killed, not beating Superman.
>Also part of his plan. He incapacitates Superman and lets him know he could have killed him if he wanted to, then does the heart attack to fake his death.
Both Batman and Superman also acknowledge that Superman was holding back throughout that fight, and DK3 pretty much sealed the deal.

No to mention this weaker Superman suffered from a Nuclear bomb before fighting Batman, and had the entire fallout block the sun from healing him.

If this is Byrne Superman? He loses

If this is Kal-L and Silver Age Superman? They stomp something fierce

Silver Age superman isnt canon and never was

It's false assumptions like this that give Superman a bad reputation amongst normies.

It's not really a false assumption. That user is right since Final Crisis established this. It's just people are using older stories as their frame of reference.

>in b4 MORRISON

Breaking Superman's brainwashing was in fact beating him.
>Superman was holding back
Superman always holds back, that's a weakness of his which Batman exploits. Just because he could hypothetically not hold back doesn't mean beating him while he's holding back like he always does isn't something that counts. That's like saying because a guy always starts avoiding eye contact when he has a good poker hand then you aren't really beating him when you recognize this behavior and use it to your advantage.

So literally plot favortism and badly inherited asspull powers? Now you see why people hate Superman.

I'd prefer waffles.

Here's the real question: which character had the better story about dying from a terminal disease?
Is All-Star Superman better than Silver Surfer Requiem? Which one got more tears out of you?

Reminder Superman made Galactus promise not to eat more planets with life. He already won.

And nerds still wonder why no one cares about Superdicklet and his autistic fanboys kek.
P-Please acknowledge m-my favorite character, he is basic as fuck in what he can do, but he (choking) always w-win..s, e-even if it's from different franchises he wins, our faggot community says so.

Supes can be beat by just about anyone that crosses his path, Batman and future Bats, aquachad, Deathstroke, hell it has been a shitshow since rebirth, I even heard about a tractor koing him.
Ah almost forgot about the suicide trash, they BTFO supes and the jl and captured all of them.

DC One Million's Superman Prime is gold
Superman/Fantastic Four Harald of Galactus Superman is gold
Superman Prime is therefor empowered by the Power Cosmic
Hypercrisis?

>Breaking Superman's brainwashing was in fact beating him.
Not in your life span will it mean that. It means that Batman managed to survive. That's not beating someone.
>Superman always holds back
No. You're the one who brought up the fact that Batman said he "could" beat Superman, I'm just stating that BOTH of them stated the opposite.

>never was
kek. Found the normie

Superman loses the op contest And people still hate him.

Silver Surfer's got this.

Saitoma has the same role and is also a gag character. He wins so long as it's funny.

Woah, calm down a-user.