So how did a C list hero become a A list superhero overnight?

So how did a C list hero become a A list superhero overnight?

He was black and Disney saw an opportunity to milk the political climate.

I have no idea, this sort of thing has never happened before.

Iron Man was fucking Batman compared to Black Panther before their respective movie debuts.

Iron Downey Jr. Already had his own cartoon on TV, he wasn't smalltime

Iron Man was more comparable to say....idk, how Ant-Man is viewed now than Batman.

Spider-Man, his cast, and X-Men were the A listers....Punisher was bigger than Iron Man pre MCU.

Yeah there was an Iron Man cartoon, it was not however very well received or remembered fondly, or remembered at all in most cases. Hulk was more popular and even he was still beneath the Spider and X regime in terms of public popularity and awareness of his mythos.

>Iron Man
>same as Panther
The guy has had several cartoons, an ongoing that never got canned since the 60s, and was an Avengers mainstay since ever.

by being interesting and having talented people

the exact opposite is how every "a-list" DC superhero is now z-list

>how did a member of the illuminati, a long time avenger, one of the worlds smartest men and high profile marvel character for years get his own movie?

honestly Sup Forums isn't this stupid, the majority of these kind of threads are shit-stirring leftists.
There were no racist boogeymen complaining about having a black marvel lead after 30-something white leads.
No one with a brain though a Marvel studios movie would bomb at this stage.

you never said anything about Guardians of the Galaxy

This, honestly.
And now we get the dumpster fire that is Aqualobo starring Grunting Caveman as the cherry on top.

>how did a member of the illuminati, a long time avenger, one of the worlds smartest men and high profile marvel character for years get his own movie?
The comics are irrelevant to normies. Op clearly is talking about the film.

It's crazy to think that Superman is not even relevant to an entire new generation.

DC has Batman and Wonder Woman, and that's about it. Are their characters just that boring and outdated?

Good writing. Good casting.

This is a black thing isn't it?

the normies knew who Ant Man and Dr Strange were?

superman has never been relevant

>Are their characters just that boring and outdated?
yes INCLUDING Wonder Woman and Batman

there's a reason DC is so desperate for money and hiring all the marvel talent they can get

Seems to work

I'm in a discord with a far right (hints at sandyhook being a hoax but never outright saying it kind of far right dude) and up until the premiere he would not stop talking about how Black Panther was going to bomb and how reserved seats were really low compared to other movies etc.

It's generally a pretty Sup Forums discord and the sentiment was shared/hoped for by a few other people too. Anecdotal but there you go.

>superman has never been relevant
There's nothing correct in your post but this is the worst bit

The Iron Man cartoon had literally 26 episodes, that's like a single season of MLP which is going on 8 seasons, just for reference.

The Iron Man cartoon was not cared about in the 90s and if you think it was, you weren't alive back then.

Please tell me you are 12. It doesn't matter if he had a shitty cartoon mate. No casual had ever heard of him except for maybe the man of war game. Black Panther was just as well known as Iron man.

UNTIL his debut in Civil War.

>discord

>Black Panther was just as well known as Iron man.

That's not true, and I'm one of the people ITT on your side of the argument that Iron Man was a fucking background character pretty much, but he was still way more well known than Black Panther, he at least had action figures and was in video games....nobody CARED about him, but he had some presence as a Marvel character who was less famous than Spider-Man and Wolverine, Black Panther had no presence to non comic buffs in the 90s. If Iron Man was a B lister at best, Panther was a C lister and that much is true. What isn't true is that anybody really gave a fuck about any Avenger in the 90s, because it wasn't X-Men or Spider-Man.

>No casual had ever heard of him except for maybe the man of war game
Marvel VS fighting games are pretty normie

>man o war
>casual
wtf

bad example

So did Hank Pym. Does that make him an A lister?

>So how did a C list hero become a A list superhero overnight?

Ryan Coogler made a damn good film that everyone saw and now T'challa is hot shit

Its crazy how much dc is fucking up

Black magic.

>overnight
I mean really? Do you not see the push for Black Panther before the movie?

fucking up is what DC does best

that and rebooting to something EVEN WORSE

Their main mistake was taking cues from the 90's brat comic "creators" (who created almost nothing of value) instead of the Old School guys who founded these mythos.

People like Johns and Lee are nothings, coat-tail riding fanfiction kiddies who bring nothing to the table.

>Marvel when going bankrupt: OK studios take our A list shit (and also FF), just help keep us afloat.
>Marvel later: OK we're good now, we need all that shit back.
>Studios: Ha ha ha. NO.
>Marvel: Fuck.
>Marvel Studios: We have to work with what we have or we'll have nothing.
>Several desperate movies that pay off well later
Really that simple. Had Sony and Fox given Marvel back X-Men and Spidey they'd have just circled around them instead like usual. Failure setup success.

C list? Are you joking? Black Panther isn’t fucking Ant Man or Starlord He has huge comic presence and appeared in 2500+ comic issues in his career. Just to give you some perspective. Doom is at 3000 Luthor at 3200.

Starlord and Ant Man are both at 600

Black Panther didn't even have an action figure for kids, shut the hell up.

Almost all the people here started reading comics in the 1990's.

Helps a lot that Doom, Luthor and BP were created in the 50s while Starlord has been arround since the 80s only.
Don't pretend people still gave a shit about african Atlantis in the 2000s.

Much toys xD

Spoken like a true normie

this. restrictions often lead to creativity. Marvel had to lead with Iron Man because they literally had nothing else

There are many characters in 80s that have double the amount of starlord

THIS REVOLUTION
WILL BE LIVE

Doesn't matter. There is a huge difference between "a list" for real and "a list" as the fictional characters view it within universe, only an autist would disagree.

NOBODY was buying Black Panther comics in the 90s. This fucking guy sold more toys than Black Panther will even after this movie.

Sure but considering the amount of appearences to be a measure for popularity without taking age into account is kinda disingenuous. Especially for characters that appeared in the 50s or 60s when stories were much shorter.

Lol don’t pretend Quill mattered

>honestly Sup Forums isn't this stupid

You severely overestimate the intelligence of a board that has a collective IQ of 30.

>Are their characters just that boring and outdated?

No, the DCEU is just garbage and Superman got the worst of it. All he needs is a good movie but WB clearly isn't interested in any sort of quality.

Remind Black Panther has already made more money than Justice League in its ENTIRE run

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to browse Sup Forums. The discussion is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of political theory most of the arguments will go over a typical user's head. There's also Sup Forums's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the board's overall identity- it's overall philosophy draws heavily from Heidegger literature, for instance. The Sup Forumsacks understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these threads, to realise that they're not just lulzworthy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Sup Forums truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Sup Forums's existential motto "Gobbi dindu nuffin," which itself is a cryptic reference to Adolph H.'s German epic of the Dritte Reich. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Sup Forums's genius wit unfolds itself on their phone screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Gadsden and a swastika tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

I havent seen Sup Forums do anything like track down shia's HWNDU flag multiple times, or anything really except whine about what comics they dont like and try and masquerade fat women as "thicc"

Good question OP

a lot of their other characters dont seem to translate to live action well either tho

they always have to make significant changes to be made interesting. DC has outdated characters with cheesy looks, personalities, backstories, etc.

Ask any normie in the streets if they think the Guardians are A-listers and they'll tell you no.

?
Nolan’s Batman is the best superhero run ever.

The point was that in comparison to Black Panther, Iron Man was very well known, dude.

>a lot of their other characters dont seem to translate to live action well either tho
>they always have to make significant changes to be made interesting. DC has outdated characters with cheesy looks, personalities, backstories, etc.

That is complete bullshit and you know it, the only thing wrong with the DCEU is that they are scrambling to play catch up and thus the films end up completely messy and disjointed because there is no clear vision, compare this to the MCU which started off so strong because of a clear vision, but now suffers from stagnation and being comfortable with making the same movie over and over but that's a different discussion

In any case, you're fucking wrong if you think people didn't like the Superman movies when they came out or Batman, and honestly if Superman can work, they all can work, Wonder Woman has the potential to be much darker and so does Aquaman really, but dark atm isn't in because...well, soy.

Too bad they've not been able to emulate it ever since.
it would help if they decided to let the directors do what they think might work rather than take the finished cut and butcher it because "muh test audiences"
and too bad that their first experience trying what I just proposed was with Snyder

an extremely watered-down, hyper-realistic Batman? Proves my point about significant changes having to be made.

When DC tries dark, it comes off as jarring (besides the Nolan movies). When DC tries light-hearted, it comes off as corny.

>That is complete bullshit and you know it

no it isnt. Flash's suit looks like shit and any attempt to bring it to live action looks like cancer. DC characters have an inherent Silver Age, fantasy based look and feel to the characters. Part of the reason why Green Lantern looked terrible.

>you're fucking wrong if you think people didn't like the Superman movies when they came out

which one? The Richard Donner one?

and it also got as far away from the source material as it could and for good reason

Just because they had movies doesn't mean they're A-listers up there with Batman and Spider-Man now, user.

>ayo hol up, we wuz supaheroz n shiet?
*multiple cheerful gunshots*
>yo we finna supahero now take dat whitey

It was literally taking heavy inspiration from Frank Miller.

it's a worse Spider-Man trilogy, both ended in a dumpster fire

>When DC tries dark, it comes off as jarring (besides the Nolan movies). When DC tries light-hearted, it comes off as corny.
They've done every combination of the two, young'n. This whole "geek" thing didn't begin in the late 00s. How old, 22?

>no it isnt. Flash's suit looks like shit and any attempt to bring it to live action looks like cancer.
Flash has the same costume as Captain America, just change the colors and the shape of his "horns". Also, MCU Cap looks like shit and only non fans disagree, his comic look is one of the great designs, his movie look is generic normie crap.

Green Lantern looked terrible because of the changes they made to it, not because the regular look is bad. Raimi's Spider-Man and ASM had the best take on comic costumes, if all comic movies followed that format they would all look decent.

>which one? The Richard Donner one?
Yes

>Batman
>A-lister

Of course it did.
The fire rises.

To be fair Batman and Superman were on a league of their own. Only Spider-Man from Marvel cane close and he still wasn’t their level.

and yet the number of DC "successes" can be counted on one hand

Yes, because circlejerking about conspiracy theories all day is a much better waste of time.

and now they're below Z-listers like Doctor Strange, Ant Man, and Black Panther

And STILL some people out there are stupid enough to think DC has a future of any kind

This is so weak I can't even bother to find a reaction image.

What is a success, user? Turning a profit? Most of these did.

This

>Flash's suit looks like shit and any attempt to bring it to live action looks like cancer.

Flash suit looks like shit because they constantly try to add shit to it for no reason. His costume is extremely simple, but they can't help but "tacticool" it up.

>Part of the reason why Green Lantern looked terrible.
GL looked terrible because it was all dated CGI with no sense of practical effects to it.

>yfw Constantine is the best of them

Yeah Flash’s suit is really simple. The fact that DCEU messes it up is astounding.

>They've done every combination of the two, young'n. This whole "geek" thing didn't begin in the late 00s. How old, 22?

years ago, when that type of cinema can gain an audience. Try that for DC characters now, and it'll bomb hard

>his movie look is generic normie crap.

normies love Cap's look because it highlights his soldier status. They lap that shit up and thinks it makes him look cool. Totally different than Flash's look.

>not because the regular look is bad

you're telling me the GL suit, domino mask and all, is actually good?

>>which one? The Richard Donner one?
>Yes

again, how long ago was that? Superman hasnt been done well since the 90s animated cartoon. He hasnt had mainstream relevancy in a long time.

Seriously, why can't they just give Flash the Spider-Man treatment?

>he has eleven fingers on one hand
Are you Indian?

Man of Steel had a lot of good ideas and potential that could have been amazing if it was executed by anyone but Snyder.

>conspiracy theories

>Yeah there was an Iron Man cartoon, it was not however very well received or remembered fondly

You are only HALF right. First season of the cartoon was incredibly bland and forgettable due to it's strictly episodic setup and lame, corny storylines. Second season on the other hand was vastly superior, with an overarching plot (Mandarin's quest to take back his rings, and Tony dealing with various people and organizations that stole his tech) and more serious atmosphere.

white guilt

>DCEU turned best capeshit heroes of all time into jokes
>MCU turned worthless c-list heroes into famous heroes who are now definition of capeshit
What a time to be alive shitty one

What's your beef with Discord? Or is it just really popular among autistic channers to shit on any chat app where you can't stay anonymous?

No, not really. Iron Man was just as much of a nobody as Black Panther among the general audience before the movies. Even among comic readers chances were pretty much even that if you knew one, you knew the other too. Sure, Iron Man was an Avenger, but no one really gave a shit about him and Black Panther had plenty of equally relevant guest appearances.

Lads, when do you think we'll get another Superman movie unaffiliated with the entire DCEU thing? I'm concern.

>Mods remove Black Panther praise threads
>Keeps threads designed to shit on it

Is Sup Forums really this assblasted about the movie being a success?

Yeah, remember the Black Panther cartoon from the 90s? Or how cool Black Panther was in all those Capcom videogames?

>honestly Sup Forums isn't this stupid,
I wish I was still this much of a naive kid, sometimes.

it's entirely pointless, even the ones with high number of users are dead with only 2 or 3 people spamming stupid meme

How is this thread shitting on the movie? It's saying the movie elevated an unknown character into being very well known.

Are you really this desperate for a shitposting narrative?

Are you actually, literally retarded? Normies fucking ATE UP gotg. I mean, it was a legit fun movie, but a ton of people who kinda passed up the whole MCU train could watch gotg without having seen a single other marvel movie and still have fun.

It is probably the most normie movie of them all and it propelled Pratt into the A-list.

You absolute fucking moron.

Nobody made it a mission to turn GotG into an avatar of cultural empowerment.

Why do people pretend like Black Panther was hard to pull off aside from Hollywood thinking majority black cast doesn’t work? If you think about it Black Panther is pretty damn grounded compared to shit like Thanos and GotG and had a huge mythos behind him that could be taken inspiration from. BP has no crazy super powers, his custome is normal for cape comics, he is a human, his background isn’t stupid compared to some other shit. It honestly wasn’t difficult to pull BP off especially when they managed to make shit like Groot, Ant Man, and Rocket Raccoon legit

White guilt

Perhaps you're having trouble parsing the post you replied to, due to your condition and all.

Anyone out on the streets, despite how popular the Guardians of the Galaxy movies were, would tell you that the characters in said movies are second banana to the bigger characters in the Avengers/MCU Earth-based movies.

Regards.

>best capeshit heroes
Literally no one has ever thought that

False.

Again you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Keep getting mad that GotG trumped whatever minor character movie you were hoping for.