Jack kirby vs Osamu tezuka ?

Who's better and why ??

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Walt Disney

Hands down.

Eisner

>Art and actual comic making
Kirby
>Story, industry and not getting fucked by everyone else.
Tezuka

This is fact.

It’s a tie, but both did great waifus.

The one known and respected today in two cultures not one.

In terms of what exactly? When it comes to storytelling both are great at it, but Jack Kirby is more focused while Tezuka is more wild and unpredictable.

In terms of art direction, it's hard to compare. Kirby was more realistic while Tezuka embraced the cartoonish. Tezuka's work was far more expressive but Kirby made some amazing art pieces.

In terms of influence they both made massive marks on their field, but Tezuka still beats Kirby by a country mile because he practically rebuilt Japanese pop-culture single-handedly. Not only have his works inspired manga that have evolved so much they became their own thing entirely, he tutored a lot of people that would eventually become juggernauts in their own right. Ashita no Joe was animated by Mushi Productions, and the creator of Gundam started out working on the original Astro Boy show.

Neither are really better than the other, but it's clear that both had their own strengths.

The one I didn't fuck over!

Pretty much

I’d say overally Kirby’s work was of more merit on it’s own though

>Kirby was more realistic
Are you fucking serious nigger?

>Hey Sup Forums, what's better? Apples or oranges?

This is a false analogy because everyfuckingone knows that oranges are better than apples.

It's more realistic in comparison to Tezuka's cartoonish style, learn to read, user.

I'd be interested to see what Kirby would have done with the series during it's original english release in the 60's

Probably would vaguely resemble Machine Man, desu

Hold the fuckin phone Apples are better your taste buds are autistic

Apples are literally the whitebread of fruit, the fucking blandest, most tasteless shit.
You know why they say that an apple a day will keep the medic away?
Because not even fucking medics like apples.

I dunno but I bet Kirby would win a fist fight

I find it... doubtful.

fourth post best post

Kirby. Tezuka's stuff is not that good.

BUDDY ! I JUST FUCKING A GREEN APPLE TODAY AND THAG SHIT TASTED GOOD AS FUCK ! When it comes to apples you chomp anywhere but with oranges you gotta peel that shit...

Kirby's style had a better since of realism. Doesn't mean it was realistic.

>green apple
The state of applefags.

>implying The King would lose to a Furry TF fetishist

Have you only ever eaten red delicious? You have no one to blame but yourself

The Astro Boy mythos is a goldmine of ideas I really want to see how other artists and writers would/would've explored it. The few times that happens(Pluto, Atom the beginning) it ends up being fantastic.

Green apples ? Bad ? Are you crazy ?

Tezuka hands down. Kirby was a bad writer. He could've never written anything like Buddha.

>Black Jack
>Princess Knight
>Astro Boy
>Kimba
>Sharaku
>"not good"

Nigga I will fight you.

That's like saying Van Gogh is more realistic than Picasso, it's just a meaningless and dumb statement. Neither of them rely on realism at all.

Larry Hama would probably win in a fight.

And by your logic, Superman is about as cartoonish as fucking Mighty Mouse. I'm not saying that Kirby was full on realism, I'm saying he was much closer to it due to how he handles proportions, expressions, etc.

Walt Disney himself said that he loved the concept and wished he made it. Kind of makes me wonder how they could've handled it. He'd definitely be a perfect fit as a mascot for Tomorrowland.

>implying The King of Cucks could win against based Tezuka-sensei

Kirby is a kike, so I'll go with Osamu

Jack Kirby has a better art but pick one of his book and you can see how the story telling is super dated while anyone can pick Astro Boy today and read just as fine as a modern manga.

Apples will always be better than oranges. Better straight from the tree, better to cook with, comes in more varieties, easier to eat, make better alcohol. It's not even a contest.

better at what?

Green apples best apples. Make better hard cider too.

Drawing cute naked mice

>pick Astro Boy today and read just as fine as a modern manga.
No it really doesn't feel modern if you read it today. Older manga has kind of different narrative flow. Not until maybe early 80s are there things that I've read that feel contemporary.

Then neither is anything by Kirby.

Ashita no Joe and MW are the oldest stuff I've read and I don't see anything off with their flow.Compare that to Silver Age western stuff and what's coming out today the difference is huge.

What sucks is that we finally got a big budget Astro Boy animated movie, and it was a complete mess.

Thoughts on the 2003 series?

how was the movie a mess?

>Random political overtones
>Obnoxious mandatory goofy sidekicks
>Poor voice casting
>Jokes fall flat on their face
>Villain is lame

>Literally evil energy

03 was great. Not my favorite Astro Boy show(that goes to the 80's version) but good lord is it the most beautiful show I have ever seen. Nothing comes close to it in terms of sheer eye candy every second.

so basically a typical astro boy show?

What happened with the French show?

Never heard of since the teaser, probably long dead. It's a shame, it looked alright.

The real question is PLUTO WHEN?

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>green apples best apples
>man_of_culture.png

It's still getting worked on, supposedly coming out this or next year. They're also producing a light-hearted spinoff show called "Little Astro Boy", featuring Astro, that one girl from Black Jack, and Atom Cat.

In all fairness, Tezuka *would* probably call bullshit on the early message that "military application is the driving source of funding for inventors and scientists." And the villain being lame in the end, I could see him doing too. (Shit, the evil country in Wonder 3 making death nukes literally had the Confederate Flag for their
banner...)


I'm not saying the movie did that WELL, but... I honestly just feel sorry for the Astro Boy Movie. It felt like there were people involved who *tried*, who really really tried to do right by Tezuka's legacy and there are some set pieces/parts that would have worked in a better move. Nic Cage gave us the ONLY sympathetic take on Tenma, ever, but the rest of the film felt like ti was crewed by committee. Primarily, i imagine by the producers, who just kept shoehorning in forced shit like the goofy sidekicks, the female lead in the film, and probably demaned this and that that bogged the whole fucking thing down. Overall the film felt like a kid with a sprained ankle trying their damndest to run the 100 yard dash while their fat ass cigar chomping father was screaming at them to do better.

Can you imagine an Astroy-Boy movie done in the same style of Pinocchio?
The idea alone makes me all fuzzy.

Here comes a new challenger.

>red delicious
fucking garbage american fruit

The only thing apples are better in is making hot cider. Oranges are much better otherwise
>too hard to eat
grow up

Least popular apple in America, most popular apple in China.

Rob Liefeld or Raita?

I have agree. While it wasn't a good Astro Boy movie by any stretch, it really did feel like there was some heart in there. It just sucks that they abandoned the whole robot racism subplot, which is a crucial aspect of the series as a whole. If it was its own, original thing without Astro Boy to raise people's standards, it probably would've done a lot better.

Also it's weird to say that Nic Cage of all people was the best part about a movie.

make it 5

This comparison is like putting a man from utopia who has been genetically engineered to be the best sprinter up against somebody from a vietnamese village whose mum and dad enjoyed their double dose of Agent Orange.

Tezuka was a furry, but what was Kirby into?

70s boxing comic and adult conspiracy thriller from the 70s read just like a kids sci-fi action strip from the 50s

Tezuka did way more to move with the times than Kirby did, occasionally to his detriment. He burnt out hard when the gekiga movement got big and he tried his best to fit in with the edgy new kids. His own later adult comics were much better when he loosened up.

Amazons. Transformations. Robot chicks. Tier 2 Monstergirls.

>transformations

Man, him and Tezuka would've gone along swimmingly if they ever had the chance to meet.

>He burnt out hard when the gekiga movement got big and he tried his best to fit in with the edgy new kids

I remember that. He tried to be hip and edgy, even dragging Astro Boy into it, only to backfire on him hard. His other stories weren't nearly as well-received, and Astro lost a ton of popularity almost overnight, that took years for him to regain.

Apples are fine man, but nothing compares to the delicious citrus taste of a good, fresh orange.

Tezuka literally invented a medium and a few genres.

Kirby just drew slightly prettier funny books than his peers.

Oranges, easy.

Vox Day is infinitely better than both.

Each have their own strengths and weaknesses
As says

Hey now, I won’t disagree if you say eating Red Delicious is a bit plebby, but there is a place for it.

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Kirby spearheaded and defined much of how people understood and drew entire genres of comic books, both then and now. He did it all, westerns, sci-fi, romance, horror, war stories; he drew them all and he mastered them all. He counted Will Eisner, Joe Kubert and Alex Toth as his contemporaries and frequently he left them trailing in his dust. And then he redefined silver age superheroes so efficiently Marvel and DC's been riding the coattails of his creations to profitability for over half a century.

Tezuka did not invent a medium, his works forever defined it for a generation that grew up reading New Tresure Island but manga was around long before he came along and would have become what it is today without him, though unquestionably without the same verve, speed or idiosyncrasies. The whole moniker of God of Manga was spin his devotees came up with and which he himself played up to, the old OLD guard like Shigeru Mizuki who had been drawing since the kamibaishi days were never particularly impressed with that interpretation of history.

Tezuka for all of his passion and drive and ingenuity was just a man, not a god, prone to the same fits of jealousy and vanity of any of us. He was so jealous of some of ishionomori's work he did his best to destroy it critically, he had a long creative drought where his younger contemporaries left him in the dust and his own desperate attempts to emulate them were derided. His animated works were rarely profitable and frequently failed to hit the creative watermark his comics so easily could, and for better or worse he's responsible for the state of the modern Japanese animation industry standards.

Both men were unbelievably prolific to a point that outright embarrasses contemporary comic authors, and both men quite literally worked themselves into an early grave. To insult or deride the work of one is an insult to the creativity of both men.

Jack Kirby was obviously better at photo realism, but I think was also just mechanically better all around. Tezuka was better at short stories and vignettes, which is why all of his most famous stuff is very episodic. Kirby was much better at forming a grand narrative. I'd say ultimately Tezuka had a much larger impact on Japanese pop culture than Kirby did on western pop culture.

Holy shit, is that ASTROCAT?
How the fuck is that possible when Astrocat's manga clearly states that in that continuity Astroboy is only an old anime and when a team of alien explorers accidentally kill that poor cat they revive him and fix his broken body using his little master's memories (which were a mess of AstroBoy manga and anime mixed with other memories about him pretending his cat as AstroBoy because of it's peculiar fur pattern.)
The aliens tought it was weird but since they knew jack about cats, decided to go with it and gave the cat all of AstroBoy's powers plus the ability to think and talk at human-level skills before leaving the cat and it's master on a safe place and then fucking off because the last thing they wanted was draw attention from the earthlings.

... it was a weird manga.

You know what's worse?
The Astro boy film killed off the Gatchaman movie that was being penned by Dini.

Pluto is getting an anime next year as confirmed on Aniplex.

Also, Illumination has the movie rights and Daniel Craig is attached as Gesicht

I love Ode to Kirihito but the rape on chapter 1 is awkward as fuck and I'm used to rape (love Nagai and Berserk too)

Wasn't that the arc when Astro became an edgy anti-hero for a while?

Kirby, Lee, and Ditko essentially redefined how to create a superhero comic. They took "guy has a costume and fights villains" and turned it into the process of creating a mythology of characters, settings, and flawed heroes.

No, he didn't. A basic Kirby comic was essentially people fighting for 20 pages.

Who's the Naoki Urasawa of western comics? I go with Morrison.

Better question is whose the garth ennis of manga?

Don't care, who's the Masamune Shirow of western comics cause he draws great porn

Nagai and Alan Moore would never get along in real life and probably wouldn't enjoy each other works, except for the rape scenes, but both glorify the power of raw imagination and its influence over reality, both are anarchists that like to give the middle finger to the establishment and both like occultism and Lovecraft. Also most probably both suck dicks at some point in their lifes

good, i dont think it would have been any good.

be glad we at least good a good dub of Gatchaman, third times the charm i guess.

No one will ever compare.

He was straight up evil. Astro died trying to save a human from Blue Bon/Blue Knight, and only Temna could revive him. Problem is, Temna's a total psychopath and reprogrammed Astro, erasing his original will and memories and had him hate humans altogether. It worked, but he also hated Temna and caused chaos for a while. He went to Africa and while fighting a robot religious cult he slowly returned to his old self.

Pity (you)
I know what you're referring to and I also laughed at how pathetic he was but that was just lazy man

Tezuka canon has always been loose at best, with characters actually being actors playing out a story.

Yeah, it really doesn't feel like a manga at all. If anything it reads more like Ducktales than a modern manga.

I mean it's not bad, far from it. It's just totally different standards in terms of pacing and style. Just look at Billy Bat, which tries to emulate that classic style in the opening comic. It untimately fails at emulating it because it forgets that old comics were really fast and loose, instead of slow and somber.

Kirby.

Now fuck off to one of your fifteen web containment boards.

But none of those are good.

Sorry weeb.

Ditko is better than both.

>Now fuck off to one of your fifteen web containment boards.
Nigga this is a website created for/by weebs. If you don't understand that maybe you should leave.

Fuck you, I'm going to storytime some Astro Boy now.