Basic income

find a flaw

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Before: Work, weed, couch.
After: Weed, couch.

You can't afford hadning out gibs like candy.

Maybe become succesfull, get a job you enjoy and make enough money to stop caring about it so much it consumes your thoughts

Where is ambition nigga

basic income ain't gonna cover my Bugatti bills

>enough to stop caring about it
>people who make billions a year pushing companies to cut corners wherever they can so that they can make even more money they can't possibly spend

but yeah it's those fuckin' gibmedats bitching bout barely making ends meet while working multiple jobs.

>Helping the community
>With no work ethic
Nah, that'd completely disappear. People help their community because they take pride in their work and environments, and they take pride in their work and environments because they forged their skillset and earned their place in a good neighborhood despite the odds and competition.

Socialist areas are always shitholes because work ethic and productive pride dies.

im to lazy to take the pic and write "fuck it ill stay in bed" over the right one. just imagine it

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This

Anybody with drive who's worked in the public sector would know this is bullshit.

I don't expect a bunch of NEETs to understand that though.

Looks like a tumor, user. We'll have to remove it.

>Maybe become succesfull, get a job you enjoy and make enough money
Muh just world fallacy.
>After: Weed, couch.
Pretty much yes. This has to be verified, but I hold the belief that about 70 percent of people, and I'm being kind here, would just go with a hedonistic lifestyle of doing very little and having a lot of passive enjoyment (television, vidyas, weed, alcohol, greasy food and so on).

The remaining percentage might be motivated enough to do something else. Innovate, help the community and so on. But I am expecting the majority to not engage in such activities.

fpbp

>my life would be better if other people gave me free money through the government! find a flaw
The flaw is in your assumption that you're entitled to other people's money and that they all have to give a fuck about your low-IQ low-earner worries.

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You faggots are ruining this board

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I fucking hate the term "basic income." It actually makes me angry.

Fixed.

As a socialist I find insulting the idea of basic income. Basically, what you have is a bunch of lefty faggots pretending that you can overcome the problems of the capitalist superestructure without changing the property model embedded in the capitalist system.

Of course, basic income seems awesome on the shitty papers that try to justify it. It sounds like some kind of an utopy, but it doesn't require a revolution or any kind of change that would require risking your life. Genius!

Money to live is replaced with self improvement equally. That's the flaw.

Oh and by self improvement, I mean self involvement.

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Stagflation!!!!!!!!!!

>working to survive is bad motivation
Yeah nah you're a cunt.

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>as a socialist
>spain
There's this weird tradition starting with Marx that the less you work, the more you think you know about labor.

B-but guise, muh Venus Project

It would all become Hedonism. People need work to prevent falling into hedonism and nihilism.

You can't /thread yourself, faggot.

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As technology and automation improves, it takes less and less effort to produce the necessities and luxuries of life. Yet modern man has fewer days of vacation than a medieval peasant.

blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/08/29/why-a-medieval-peasant-got-more-vacation-time-than-you/

Why is working hard such a virtue anyway? Don't work hard, work smartly. Thriftiness is infinitely preferable to hard work.

>Why is working hard such a virtue anyway? Don't work hard, work smartly. Thriftiness is infinitely preferable to hard work.

This nigga is right. I have a low income but due to organising my life for minimal outgoings have more disposable income than my friends earning much more.

>Yet modern man has fewer days of vacation than a medieval peasant.
Then live like a medieval peasant (no electricity, no running water, no internet, no medicine, not a lot of clothing, not a lot of food, no phone, no home appliances, no shampoo, no deodorant, no tooth paste, no nothing) and you'll only have to work a fraction as hard as they used to. Fucking idiot.

>As technology and automation improves, it takes less and less effort to produce the necessities and luxuries of life.

Pavlov would like a word with you.

you can do all four of those things without doing something boring you dont want to do though

Yes, and you can get the "luxuries" they used to have (comfortable clothing, basic furniture, a place to live and varied food) working a part time job doing nothing instead of all day in the field. That's clearly an improvement and you can enjoy it if you give up modern luxuries that you don't need.

This, if I didn't need to work for money I'd just stay at home and do nothing, work sucks.

Basic income is a neoliberal agenda so that the unemployed/underemployed don't protest

It treats people as though they were equal.

Don't get me wrong. I would prefer to see the social welfare net replaced by the much more efficient basic income. And after universal automation (inb4 lump of labor), it's a fait accompli.

But paying niggers and spics to live and reproduce is retarded.

I guess what I'm saying is this is an intrasocial question:

Should an all-white society institute UBI?
>obviously

Should a society littered with human garbage institute UBI?
>are u fuken retarded

No one cares about self improvement or the community
They do not work for enjoyment now nor would they if they without other motivations
Meeting people is much more easily snd effectively done through other channels

>low iq trash should get other peoples' money for existing and reproducing at the highest rate as long as it's white
I'm okay with this. That's as good a way to destroy muh superior Aryan race as any other.

Maybe if the rentier class didn't siphon off so much of the wealth, a part-time worker would be able to afford more. Even with the increased amount of things to pay for, the increase in productivity has been greater still.

how it really works. Fixed again.

First of all, what makes you assume that an increase in productivity automatically entitles you to a proportional increase in quality of life? Your increased productivity isn't worth much if it's almost entirely due to technological tools provided to you by your employer, and every other untrained pleb has the same productive potential as you do. Second, how the fuck do determine objectively what would be a proportional increase in quality of life compared to the middle ages? Everything you're saying reeks of magical thinking and economic illiteracy.

Made some modifications.

See here, the problem is that you think from a capitalistic perspective where labor is inherently subservient to the property-holder, who is entitled to all the profits.

The solution to the problems you're envisaging would be to ensure that the workers own the means of production, or to put it in modern terms, that the workers own the company. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No, says the man in the suit, it belongs to the rentiers.

What about Gypsies?

How does their brain look?

>The solution to the problems you're envisaging would be to ensure that the workers own the means of production
Who is stopping you from doing this right now? Get together with your socialist friends, start a company and give all employees fair share of the ownership and a say in how the business is run.

>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
Of course. Unless you voluntarily decide to work for someone and produce things using their tools, their materials, their expertise and their supervision in exchange for a salary. If you don't like this, don't do it.

Either way, you ignored both of my questions.

Reworked the lines. Done now.

How do you feel about people too disabled to work?

I'm recovering from a really bad car accident and learning how to walk again. I won't be able to return to work for a year or more

I see I won't be getting a response, eh? This is the problem with the socialist parasite: it wants to be given the power to tell other people who have worked hard to start their own companies how to run them. It wants to be a "revolutionary" through violence and to be rewarded for this. It does not want to lead by example and do some hard work of its own.

Hehehehe capitalistic Jew. On a side note, cooperatives like that are really cool.

The Jew is right.

Also, the image should be the same for both sides.

Not an argument. Why do you need to "seize" existing means of production from others? Why don't you start your own and lead by example? If socialism is such a wonderful and efficient mode of production, why do you need to prevent others from offering people the opportunity to work for a salary in a private enterprise? Surely the inhumane and inefficient capitalist system will simply get BTFO by the competition and nobody will want to work for it. Why do you need to bring everybody down to your level using state violence? :)

>find a flaw

The flaw is that most of Sup Forums doesn't even understand what the fuck basic income even is.

Before: self sustaining
After: rampant mass starvation

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as a trustfund babby that doesn't have to work and hasn't worked a single day of his life

I can assure you, pic related is how it actually works

thing is, you can rationalize peer pressure, but you can't rationalize starvation, so it's much easier to just laze around if you are not forced to work, not that everyone would do it though

..... Then who is growing our food and building our homes????

youtube.com/watch?v=o3Es-PRMAg0

It's inevitable. Trumps victory will only put it off for a few decades at most

People need to have less kids, immigrants need to be denied access to the first world. Automation and technology are rendering humans useless

This.

Also, vidya all fucking day.

>before basic income
>borrow money to get a house, buy lots of shit and be dumb with money so end up living paycheck to paycheck

>after basic income
>some thing but the house is bigger

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Don't you have some Palestinians to be bombing or something?

>become successful

Wow, that was easy. Good advice, user!

Why give basic income? Why not basic housing/food?
People will just blow their their "basic income" on stupid shit. They'll just adjust their current spending habits to meet their new income.
>mo money mo problems.

No one in there right mind would work 40+ hours a week if you can make the same amount of money sitting on your ass at home.

That's bullshit and will never work. You can be truly creative only under pressure, only this way you can outdo yourself and do the best, only in competitive environment, I wouldn't do shit if I had this basic income and free shekels every month, I would just sit all the fucking day and watch stupid jewllywood movies or play stupid games. I go to work not only due to money, but to hang out with colleagues and friends. During my regular vacations every time sleep time begins to shift and I'm going to bad in the morning.