Will this change the public's perception on animation?

>How many times should we remind the live-action world that animation doesn’t automatically make a film for kids (Isle of Dogs is rated PG-13); that animators add as much (or more) than a voice actor to the success of a character’s performance (which are nicely expressive yet stylized in Isle of Dogs); and that animation is a medium, a technique, a storytelling form – not a genre?
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No.
Because its a stupid fucking stop animation movie about talking dogs.

What is
>stop animation
user?

>PG-13

Flop incoming

I doubt Wes Anderson can do much more than preach to his choir, regardless of how well-intentionned he might be.

What a terrible article

The public's perception is never going to change.

Which of the Dogs is Scarlett Johannson?

We're lucky that there even are arthouse indie features released every year. We'll really know that animation's "arrived" when networks regularly commission American-made, non-anime-style drama shows for adults.

Why do people want the animation to be a serious artform?

So we can get different kinds of animated shows other than adult situational comedy, children's comedy, or children's action/adventure.

Animation as a serious art form will only give rise to more post modern and surrealist works.

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You're right. We don't want it to be "arty" because then it'll just become part of the "art" world which is terrible. We want it to be part of the "entertainment" world which is much more populist.

>post modern and surrealist works.
How is this a problem? Also completely untrue, the most post modern and surreal animated show in the world right now is made solely for being shitposting: the animated series.

Because a celebrity he likes on the internet said that post modernism was what the bad men liked.

Maybe, but before that happens, we'll get some other genres out of the deal. Which is all I'm asking for.

Trump likes postmodernism?

I think he's saying the opposite of that, not Trump specifically but a lot of conservatives do speak out about postmodernism and surrealism which a lot of the millennial new wave conservatives have latched on to. Just don't tell any of them that vaporwave is peak Dadaism.

>How many times should we remind the live-action world
"Professional" "critics" are not live action world. You should stop caring about what professional critics say.

>what the bad men liked.
I thought they hated art that wasn't a depiction of the real world or rather the classical heroic ideal of the real world.

Vaporwave is 0% dadaism, 100% AESTHETICS, 0% content. You dumb fuck
youtube.com/watch?v=Yhk5zUPtaRs

Aside from color pallet there is zero difference between subsets of dadaism and vaporwave
Dadaism painting from 1920

Vaporwave art piece from 2017. The same can be said of artistic shitposting.

Vaporwave isn't just about statues.

It's about repurposing art for aesthetical reasons, a major part of dadaism is that any thing can be repurposed as art.

You are correct, but another definition of Dadaism is "taking things apart and putting them together so it's funny or does not make sense anymore".

This shit looks so fucking bad

By this logic all paintings and songs are the same.

Dadaist art from 1924

Art made for ironic shitposting 2017

The majority of vaporwave is ironic.

X-actly.

Dadaist art from 2015:
youtube.com/watch?v=H98Q9VU6IEM

I mean you're just proving my point.

Being ironic is 120% okay if it's also funny.

Which dadaism was at the time

I don't think getting the general public interested is a much of a goal in order to get more serious animation produced. You need to get an audience. Even in Japan stuff airs late at night to a limited viewing. In America there's people watching anime so you need to get them interested.

I'm coming to the conclusion that "people think animation is for kids" isn't necessarily true, but rather that the majority of the public's perception of animation is funneled through the Mouse and that the rest is negligible economically rather than artistically.

Think about how Coco raped the Annies. Think about how much money Disney and Pixar gave to the Annies. Think about the level of production values Disney and Pixar have that most other places don't. Think about the marketing and distribution that those companies have, which matter just as much as production budget for major films and most other companies obviously can't match. The Academy voters and the Annies know that artsy shit like The Red Turtle and The Breadwinner exist, but they don't have time to focus on closely examining that shit amongst all the other shit they should be examining, when the only possible result will piss off a huge donor. It's economic more than anything, and the "kids" notion isn't used as an affront to the medium but rather a justification for not wasting time on something that could only rock the donor tugboat.

I don't even need to click the article to know it's Amid. What were you expecting?

The bitch.

Not a chance, most North American's will see the japanese stuff and immediately walk away from it, without giving it a chance.

Especially if there's even a hint of subtitles...

Late night anime is only twenty years old and is a result of all the animation production that preceded it.

>shitposting: the animated series.

Truly a work of art

You're all wrong; vaporwave aesthetics are meant to invoke the commercialist/consumerist aesthetics of the 1980s and 1990s as a means of utilizing a false reality advertised on a daily basis and invoked as a glance at a world we were promised yet never acquired. It's why the idea of vaporwave has been defined as drowning in the fountain at your local shopping mall. The hum of neon drones as you gasp for air, reach outwards to whatever hands you think are there to rescue you, but all you clutch are shopping bags. You close your eyes because you are too weak to open them again. You open them once again to find yourself staring at an old CRT television. You were never drowning in water. You were lost in a Radioshack. Synthesizers fill your ears. You want to doze off to sleep but they continue to play, singing songs of slumber. Sweet dreams you can't resist. N-e-s-t-l-e, yes. You succumb to rest where you stand. You feel the softness of a Serta mattress upon your back. You pull a blanket over your head. But something's not right: Serta doesn't exist yet. You wake up in the middle of a Kmart. The year is 199X. Something is very wrong, but there's a blue light sale going on, and you don't want to miss out on the savings. Is there anything about you to save? Kmart is closing in ten minutes, so act fast before you miss out on once-in-a-lifetime opportunities and deals on summer fashions and winter clothings.

>犬 isle
>岛 dogs

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Art critics were a mistake.

>岛
Japanese not Chinese 島

I didn't read it, just already knew based on the link

it is changing, it's just the people you respect (who presumably are boomers and GenX) will never not see animation as for kids and blame video games for mass shootings and they hve the power. Millenials and GenZ don't give a fuck about the taboos and can watch animation without any sense of guilt, but I doubt you think they represent "the public" because they don't hold any societal power or have created anything of enough worth that makes you respect their opinions like you do for the older generations.

>Millenials and GenZ don't give a fuck about the taboos and can watch animation without any sense of guilt
Yet Sup Forums and 8~chan are absolutely overflowing with people who experience a nervous breakdown if they come into contact with anime, and you constantly see anti-anime comments on sites like youtube and reddit and steam.

Yeah, why must all non-kiddy, non-comedic adult animation be artsy? Why can't we have an animated Mad Max, Die Hard, John Wick, Alien, Saving Private Ryan, etc?

So are all the dogs English speakers and humans Japanese in the movie?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=kpLX_gMwKms
Because it wont sell.

Doesn't seem to be viewed positively by the general public.

This person seems insane
>it looked like they just put a bunch of still frames together really fast
what the fuck

This is the most interesting review I have ever read in a while, like, it's a small puzzle piece to a greater comedy narrative about a man who hates dogs but bought one for his kids anyways. I really want to know how it ends

>I can't enjoy a movie when it speaks difficult topics outright
>where's my witty, blanketing metaphor

Miyazaki was right.

When did Miyazaki say anything about American animation?

He's said a lot about America in general, mostly negative. But specifically, “The barrier to both the entry and the exit of Disney films is too low and too wide. To me, they show nothing but contempt for the audience”.

Here you go.

> It was going fine, too, until about halfway through the film, when the little brat starting barking at the screen for no reason. He kept yapping, really loud too, and I could tell that people were getting annoyed. So, out of courtesy for my fellow theater-goers, I whipped out my 12 gauge and shot him in the head right then and there. I shot him six times, just to make sure the job was done, and even though I splattered blood and flesh all over my popcorn, it was worth it -- didn't hear any more barking out of him! Some people had the audacity to complain to me afterwards, suggesting that I should have taken out of the theater instead. Well where were all of these bright suggestions before!? And besides, why would I miss part of the film just to satisfy the concerns of my dog? I have yet to tell my daughters -- right now they think he just took a trip to the "Butterfly Farm." I can't wait to see the look on their faces when they find out what I did. It's okay, they're used to it -- I shot our goldfish three times when he bubbles popped a bit too loud for my taste. But enough with my own personal experiences. Even though the film was a success in terms of me taking care of my pet, it was not in terms of its own quality -- cheap animation and a story populated with my least favorite creatures to ever crawl upon this Earth.

Forgot last part

>RATING: 1/10 (One star for what this film did in my own relationship with my pet)

Of course not

We should just embrace the fact that normos will only animation as a vehicle for childish/crude/raunchy humor

To be kinda fair, what's the point of having animated Mad Max if you can have live action Mad Max instead?
One of the greatest strengths of animation is that you can depict things that are far too difficult and too expensive to do with real life techniques.
But thanks to modern computer graphics, experience and truly creative people using the power of illusions and well cut scenes, what would only be possible in animation can now be blended with real actors.

>To be kinda fair, what's the point of having animated Mad Max if you can have live action Mad Max instead?
Why start with the assumption that live action must be the default way of doing something and animation must justify itself?

Because we live in the real world and relate to it. We all want to see more interesting things happening in the real world. Animation is a way to break the limitations of our real world.

>Will this change the public's perception on animation?
No. And fuck the public's perception, enjoy what you want to.
Mature animations show up at the Oscars every year and they still lose out to Disney, Pixar and Dreamworks every year. And it will keep happening because it's the safe option.
The public doesn't want their perception changed. They want what's comfortable and reliable.

subtle shilling is still shilling
fuck off

Animation is a completely valid way of making realistic works. It is its own medium with its own features, not a poor man's subtitute for live action.

So nobody on Sup Forums is allowed to mention any work of animation?

If animators want the public attention and respect, they need to learn the simplest trick in the book.
Stop trying. Stop giving a shit. Just do your thing, and people will come.
The "public" are a bunch of shallow bitches, so treat them like it. Disregard completely.

This is why anime is so successful, because they try to build fanbases around their works and make money off those people instead of changing or creating an idea to fit into a marketable consumer base that already exists, creating the samey comedy-only environment we have in western animation right now.

Anime does exactly the same type of pandering that western animation suffers from, they just aim at single guys in their 20's and 30's rather than soccer moms.

Anime doesn't pander. Those single guys in their 20s and 30s are the same people who make anime, manga, light novels and games. And how can anime have the exact same problem when it's so varied in content and target demographics?

You serious? Anime right now is a parade of cute girls doing cute things, average guys in fantasy worlds, and various harem filler.

Pandering is not a type of content.

Hmmm. You must view the world like the creators
m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_4LhiX8ha0

Pandering means you intentionally appeal to the interests of a specific demographic, and all of those types of anime pander to single guys in their 20's and 30's.

Western animation panders to soccer moms through cute animals and safe kids' adventure stories.

And animation is being used together with real life works to enhance it. The perfect fusion of the unreal with the real.
Modern computer animation as the supporting slave to the live action works.
Reading Batman is okay. Watching a Batman cartoon is better. The ultimate step is a real actor portraying Batman with impressive effects, made possible through modern technology.

>Pandering means you intentionally appeal to the interests of a specific demographic,
No it doesn't. That's why the term is only used to very angrily denounce anime that is thought to appeal to "otaku." If a director announced tomorrow that he wants to make a serious cyberpunk anime for Western viewers, nobody would call that pandering.

Of course a lot of the anime industry relies on pandering, but that's pandering to a small niche in Japan. They still allow for far more artistic variance and niche appeal than the west, because even the most broad level of anime is built on it to some degree.

American animation markets to people that don't give a shit about animation, just what's a good flick to see with the family, so always the same baseline.
Anime markets to fans of anime, which requires either massive dedication to genre tropes, or massive deviations from them. Either way you're getting more extreme outcomes.

Western cartoons will never have shows like Idolmaster and Boruto's dad next to films like Grave of the Fireflies or Patlabor 2. Of course anime has more of the pandering filler because it's easier to make, but I'd rather sift through that for the occasional buried gem than the malaise Disney/Pixar put out every single year.

Haha, it's the weeb dweeb who defends otaku again.

Haha, it's the normalfag who attacks otaku again and doesn't know what weeb means.

Pandering does mean that, feel free to look it up. But that's not gonna stop you from denying, so have fun with it.

It doesn't matter what you think the dictionary says. When people on Sup Forums or youtube or reddit talk about pandering in anime, that is not what they mean.

Dumb smelly otaku.

This may surprise you, but not everyone on the internet share the same intentions. But here, I'll do the legwork for oyu.

Dictionary defines pandering as "the actions of a panderer" which is "a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others." The cute girls, self-insertion fantasy and harem dreams all do exactly that.

>Arguing over semantics

Projection.

You are claiming they are weaknesses or vices when in fact they are not, and when people say something is pandering they mean the creators are being malicious or forced into doing things which is a baseless claim.

Self-insertion is a Western meme.

Almost every one of your claims there is wrong. Nothing I can say will change your mind, however, so good night and I'll let you enjoy anime on your own.

None of my claims are wrong.

>how to make your kid cartoon pretend to be mature
>let's make it ugly as shit
every
fucking
time

80s and 90s consumerism was a helluva drug

art was a mistake

>writing Isle on the kanji for dog and dog on the kanji for isle
You had one job.

It's Inu (dog) ga Shima (island) in Japanese but Isle of Dogs in English. It can't be helped.

decent analysis but too long. vaporwave is just the nostalgia of PS1 JRPGs and such, and subtle OVA aesthetics, along with the "multimedia" concept for digital/techno nomad kids. ofc most of the artists are basically weebs.

the flaw of them is that they are all about nostalgia.

>What is
>>stop animation
>user?
He means "Stop Motion"

At least Laika dont pretend

It's CartoonBrew. What do you expect?

No looks boring af and This is coming from someone who loved grand Budapest hotel