Raising a child in false poverty

Sup Forums, what are your thoughts on this?

Let's say I'm a very well-to-do high-middle class person, making around 75k+, and I have a child on the way. I'm aware that the majority of what formed the SJWs was in fact an excessive amount of spoonfeeding, coddling, and as Prager U puts it, not giving kids enough 'vitamin N'.

If I were to theoretically put up a guise of 'getting by' in my household, but still providing them with a strong moral base, parent/child relationships, and limiting birthday and chirstmas to 2, maybe 3 gifts a month which I pretend I bust my absolute ass off for....

Will this be better for their overall mental health and worldview as an adult?

Year, not month

So, you are saying that having money spoils people?

How much money do you make, and do you think it has made you "Soft"?

3 gifts a month is allot

>pretending to be poor
what? just give them shit they want occasionally if they behave well and do good in school
but don't give them something too expensive

>lie to child for years
>good for mental health

Gee I dono boss sounds fine to me

my parents kind of did this. we had a modest house and modest cars (VERY modest) but all three of us had our college educations paid for when we graduated college.

If I ever have kids, this is the shit I'm doing. I'm a few years off from being a board certified psychiatrist, so I'll be pulling 220-300k. Going to live in a poor but respectable white area, have my kids believe we're like everyone else. Then, surprise. Padre was a doctor the whole time.

You don't have to lie to them. Just don't ever tell them how much you make, and don't buy expensive things. I never asked my parents how much they made, it just wasn't something I thought to do.

You don't have to pretend, just make sure your kids have a healthy relationship with hardwork and money. Also its always a good idea to live below your means anyway, especially in our rapidly automatizing economy. So for instance, say they want a toy or something else entertainment related make sure they understand how to stretch the most use they can get out of it. For instance the difference between a set of action figures and things like legos, they may get far more uses out of legos. In other words, set up a system where your children understand the value of everything and what it actually may be worth to them. This will likely lead to them being more thoughtful about their decisions and more pragmatic and utilitarian.

speaking of spoiled little shits
you guys know about toy channels? specifically ones that exploit (their own) kids

Wow, same thing happened to me....

Lived pretty much most of my life in poverty, wearing hand-me-down clothes and salvation army stuff.....

And then suddenly, when I got my first job, SURPRISE user, It's a used Car! Oh, and you owe $1,500 for the car.

So, yeah, I guess nothing like that at all.

To expand my suggestion, give them access to disposable stuff like card board, show boxes and paper, you will be surprised that they will likely make things they can't easily get. I did that all the time.

this but implement values of hardwork
My dad always taught me hardwork was easy and its true

Why not just tell them no? Kids are capable of understanding that not getting everything they want is not a sign of their parents not loving them.

backlash when the deception is discovered

Only 75k? You don't need to pretend and that's not upper middle

>$75k/year
>high middle class
Nigga, you won't have to pretend to be poor.

that's basically what my parents did to me and my sis.
when they revealed it to my sister that we're actually pretty well off I was at boarding school and later military service.

busted my ass off because I thought I'll have to feed them through their pension.
When I met them once and talked about what's going to happen then they were surprised and laughed at me (because they simply forgot to tell me).

I don't see them anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I do think I learned some good life lessons, but at the same time I did some really stupid things which will haunt me for the rest of my life.
My sis is better off because she didn't get spoiled and later did whatever was best for her.

so OP, go for it, if you can pull it off, but before they leave the nest, tell em how it really is

Fuck off tripnigger. Come back when you have something relevant to say.

My father currently sits securely in the 1% of america. He owns 4 houses, 6 cars, etc.

As I was growing up, birthdays/christmas was basically the only time I ever got bought anything extraneous. And even then it was rarely, ever more than $300 worth. I think most christmases involved socks, some other clothes, and then maybe 1 other sort of expensive gift. (The socks were dope though, I love nice socks.)

To the people saying it's gonna fuck your child up, not really. If anything, the child who got fucked up was my sister, who was given everything. I actually hold a lot of resentment towards my sister because of it. Not our parents, who doted on her instead of me, that would be asine, they gave me more than enough to be thankful for. But the truth is that she turned out to be a total shithead. Very entitled, etc.

In short, there's literally nothing wrong with treating your kids as if you're not really that well off.

This

Checked.

No, I don't think it does, but I do think, with their peer pressure, them finding out I made a good sum would make them go on the warpath "YOU MAKE THIS MUCH, WHY DOES JIMMY DOWN THE STREET GET TO HAVE AN ALIENWARE"

FTR: I'm currently 23, making 64k. Fiance and I are moving into a good area in Central Oz next year. No kid at all, but considering it highly.

Leaf, I made a mistake

See my first response, I guess?

This is basically what I mean

Even legos are designed to be fucking disposable now. I get where you're coming from though.

Pretending's always good. I did all kinds of cool stuff with packaging. You really have to set that on them early for it to work though.

Not so much easy but rewarding.

This was actually a theoretic. See my first response.

Well how much do you make, fuckweasel? You know the thing I don't get about Sup Forums is half you faggots go on about how 75k is poor and all these tech fields are a meme, but in the same breath, if I state I make anything over 50k you call me a wage slave. Pick one, faggot.

Absolutely not. Poverty breeds poverty for a lot of reasons, but one of them is chronic stress. Your kid would be stressed and angry, which produces negative results

>tfw Kek wasted trips on this retard asking a question answered in the OP

OP I have planned for years to do this once I have kids. I'm planning on being a celebrity soon and I know how bad that fucks a kid up, I'm gonna make a point to convince my kids we're a normal family with normal problems.

yes

not to mention actually spending time with your kids

the worst feeling as a kid is not feeling loved

also the "getting by" part is very important
I didn't appreciate my mom saying that we were only middle class when in reality we were upper middle class

but it was still very good for my upbringing

i think that early on, there is lot to give to the children when it comes of being a father, but when they get cellphones and goes to secondary school, you cant really do much for them.

im pretty sure its called "benevolent neglect"
my parents did something similar, just don't be a fucking dick and buy all the things your kid is going to need, eg shoes/clothes/medicine

>Sup Forums, what are your thoughts on this?

Anyone who does it should be tortured to death.

I agree completely and want to do the same. Kids who grow up poor always talk about how close they were in their families, and how hard they worked to get ahead. Rich kids are shitty kids who feel like they are owed everything in life.

>Fuck off tripnigger.

How about no?

>Come back when you have something relevant to say.

You are one to talk, aren't you?

>Nigga, you won't have to pretend to be poor.
>>tfw Kek wasted trips on this retard asking a question answered in the OP

much relevancy
so addition to thread
priceless information.
wow.

Sure convinced me with those hot opinions.

>4 houses
>6 cars
>1%
more like top 20% friendo. the 1% are worth billions.

I wholeheartedly support this user

My mom made $100,000 a year and she is worth $1.5 million now

but as kids, we
>never got soda
>didn't get all the latest toys
>didn't get cars at 16
>drove family vans that we had for 10+ years

the biggest things are
>no allowance
>no new toys
>drink only water
>eating out only on Sundays, once a week at most
>no international vacations, every vacation was a car trip to a free destination like a national park

this is good because it teaches your kids to be
>cheap, which is a lifelong skill
>not entitled

Digits speak the truth

you got everything wrong.
the only thing you need to do is to teach them is responsibilities and that every action has a consequence.

that's the difference between a good parenting and a bad parenting.

Is there porn of that cat

That's how you give your kid trust issues that will scar them for the rest of their lives.

there is a difference between being stressed about living paycheck to paycheck and living in a roach apartment and being upset because you didn't get a PS4 for Christmas

Blinx The Time Sweeper, furfag.

probaly, blinx the time sweeper was pretty good

More important is that your children eat healthy organic food, get lots of vigorous exercise to promote muscle growth and oxygenation of brain cell growth, and are taught how to be intelligent and social.

you betcha
by the way don't let kids watch anything on TV or shitty movies (mentioning this cause Zootopia)
but what about videogames

Concealing the details of family finances from kids is a recipe for disaster.

Kids should know about how much the family is worth and how that money is used, and the family should live in a level of comfort proportional to this. It's the only way for them to properly understand the value of money.

If you keep them living in fake poverty, they'll think they're rich the moment they get some $40k/yr job out of college and end up in debt before they know what's happening.

I'm assuming you live in the middle of nowhere. I make 80k now and consider myself just to be 'getting by.'

My girlfriend almost makes the same, so assuming we end up together and have children, I suppose that combined income would be suitable for children.

Back to your point though. From what I've seen, coddling absolutely breeds the typical lazy numale of today. Most of my friends live at home at pushing 30, working meme jobs, with no future in sight. And the parents do nothing except offer encouragement that someday they'll get their "lucky break."

250,000 in the US

By all means live modestly but don't pretend to be 'poor'. If you're kid ever becomes worried that they are living in an unstable environment you have fucked up big time.

You don't have to lie to a child you just give them responsibilities and teach them to act right.

Wife and I make 200k love on 12 acres. My 3 year old help me with the fences, feeds the horse, feeds the chickens, helps with the dishes and cleaning the floors. Even at 3 I explain to her that you don't flaunt money and you have to work hard for what you get... it's called good parenting.

I still think 40k is doing okay, because I managed to live alone on half that.

Dallas for me.

omg furfag, wtf.

This, to be honest.

selfish sounding desu

This. Also teach kids the value of saving at an early age.

When I was born my grandfather continuously bought inexpensive savings bonds every few months. When I turned 20 a decade ago they started maturing and it was thousands of dollars coming in. Really left a lasting impression on me, the power of Jewish number magic.

Nice. Well that's certainly a lot more affordable than Cuckronto. Visiting there an April. Hoping for some gun tourism.

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You can live a /comfy' single life off 20k in Dallas? Considering most of my family lives in Ft. Worth, I find that hard to beleive. Shit's expensive there.

Right now, live in the KC metro. Gonna move to Wichita.

>padre

You have to go back.

If you're struggling to pay for bills or live independently, you should not have a child. If you will have difficulty providing food, shelter, or an education for the child you should not have one.

I've voiced this and people will respond that "it's none of your business, you can't control anyone's family planning! Can only rich people have kids?" when I would think this would be a reasonable line of thinking.

Jesus Christ, I can only fucking imagine the temperature in that room. How the fuck do people manage to wear that shit for hours on end without dying?

I'm not struggling by any means.

I'm pretty sure there is a strong correlation between intelligence and the richness of the environmental stimulus that a child is exposed to. Sure, limit frivolous things, but make sure your kid has lots of access to social interaction, learning, quality food, etc.
I guess that a better way to go about it is instead of faking being poor, just be frugal and efficient with your money. Things like how buying quality products saves a lot of money over the long haul.
True paycheck to paycheck poverty really fucks people over, and teaches habits that only focus on the short term.
The other thing I can say is for the love of god, be consistent in whatever it is you do. Kids really hate things that seem to be blatantly unfair or inconsistent.

>very well to do
>75k+
>anime picture

Trashed

I'd say that is a horrible idea. Lying to your kids your entire life will just make them resent you when they inevitably find out the truth. Just don't spoil them.

>Anime

You obviously never played this game, kike. You missed out.

Advertising mogul heir. Had the sole contract for Saab in uk during 80s and 90s then came back to the states and helped launched AOL.

I drive a 2003 corolla and know the worth of a dollar.

Take what you will from the others, but don't be afraid to force you kids to do shit, like sports. Kids, especially those who work together on a team, that do shit other than sit around all day end up handling school later on and eventually work alot easier. Plus teaching them some skills, well, teaches them skills. Show and teach them some cool stuff. Spend time with them, I wish my father did.

Also fitness and hygiene. Don't let your kids get fat ffs, and be a good model. If you have boys make them do strength training with weights at home starting at 10 or 11, when they start changing. Teach them to groom themselves, they'll have higher self esteem and social status if they're not pizza-faced smelly greasy-haired shit heads wearing raggy clothes.

And instill the truth into them. Don't let them be inducted into the leftist trap at 17. Talk about things that are happenning, teach them about the past, tell them how they should act and why, especially when what they do affects others, and make going to church or wherever a habit.

look at the bottom left

Sorry op you are poor middle class here is above 150k. you won't even qualify to buy a house on only 75k.

>living in Jew York
>living in Commiefornia

>I'm planning on being a celebrity soon

Bruh

Your mom sounds like a jew. Are you circumcised?

True although you can buy a house in many parts of California for 40k. But it is no place you would want to live or work and you still have to pay cash for it because the banks won't loan on a house that cheap.

Who said anything about comfy? I lived like a fucking animal and still do, but I've wanted to live alone my entire life so I scraped and suffered to do it. When I was interviewing for my current job, people making twice what I was being offered were asking how in the hell it was possible.

Slippery sloap.

My mom always acted the opposite, that we were doing well. I knew we were poor. I never asked for new video games or toys. Didn't ask for new clothes. It realm fucked my up at 18. I know, technically adult. But first year of college I was studying for finals and my mom called up saying she had to close the family business cause IRS came. I couldn't study with my mind on how my mom would pay rent or feed my little brother. I'm sure I would be more relaxed knowing my family was fine at home

Little late but my parents did this for us.

>parents make about 500k/yr betweem them
>all year they say we dont have enough money to do anything except christmas
>christmas was a fucking extravaganza of gifts
>looked like a TV commercial
>they only bought us real toys and sports stuff. No video games or movies
>these toys would last us all year other than birthdays which were very modest

It was ended up we actually spent a lot of quality time together. Dad would tell us spooky stories at night after mom made us dinner. Then we actually went broke and it got to be shit. Dad was always angry about new shitty job. Mom was always stressing about money. No time left to enjoy together.

Not sure how to do it but i do know being legit poor is bad for the family. It really made us distant since we were left at home alone a lot. So use your money to take more time off with them.

And make christmas awesome. Parents would buy me every color of the bionocles that came out new and i would play with them all year. Couldnt have cost more than $50 for the set either.

Really didnt expect to have all this nostalgia on pol. Bringing back the feels. Dont get divorced. Play it safe with your money. Dont let anyone but you and your wife make family decisions. Really ruined our lives in about 2 years.

negro, money doesn't necessarily turn people into degenerates; the lack of education does
so just use your money to give your kids classical education and be a strong yet amorous paternal figure

To add to this we still had chores. Which my parents made us negotiate ourselves. At 5-8 i negotiated $5 a week to take out the trash every day excepting weekends. If i didnt want to on a day that was fine. I would just lose a dollar for that day.

At age 9-12 i negotiated 5/hr to work at our amuesment park at the put put course and water wars. Shit was dope.

And dont forget discipline. Your children need to understand why they are being punished when they do wrong. My punishment was always writinf out sentences. My dad always told me if i had to fight at school that was fine but i needed a good reason for it. For example i beat thw shit out of a 6th grader when i wad in 1st grade on the bus. He spit on my sister so i made him cry like a bitch. My dad said im not in trouble and he was proud, but there are still consequences for doing the right thing. I had to write 10 sentences for each day i was suspended from the bus (where the fight happened). 10 was considered extremely light.

I think its was "I will not get kicked off the bus because it is an inconvenience to those who have to take me to school."

It sounds dumb but it made me understand that even though i did the right thing my mom had to come to work late for 2 weeks to take me to school as a result.

Inb4 spanking. Spanking is retarded. Only niggers teach lessons to children with violence. Violence was only a means of self defense or to defend those you love. I was spanked one time growing up and thats because I stole from the sweet shop at our amuesment park. And we owned this park during the worst part of our families life so my parents were very unstable.