BRAVO MARLEL!: A Champions #17 "Misstep"

>Super-Geniuses
>girl in robo-suit with scanners needs Hulk to tell her the numbers
>with just a glance he's able to calculate the amounts right down to5 Significant Digits
>both proceed to use junior high physics, ignoring all the environmental factors
>mess up units; a is in F/s^2, yet end result is in SI, N
>"F"/s^2 is written as F/(2*s)
>meanwhile the symbol for feet is ft
>the whole "plan" comes down to "stand if front of train and push"
>they needed math for that
>assuming they can control how much force they act right down to the fucking decimal
>formula ignores the fact that they are two
These are the """writers""" lecturing on proper politics and societal issues. Grown men writting funnybooks about spandex clad teens, who mess up basic school physics.

BRAVO WAID!

You're white, Aren't you?

liberals can't into science

>science is white
of course, that would explain illiteracy among niggers

>super smart science types
>using imperial measurements
>calculating newtons using feet per second
This is fucking retarded

Why mention that he is liberal?

because he can't into science, silly

Amadeus Cho's genius manifests mainly in quick maths so it is not that unreasonable to have him do the math

This is physics, not statistics.

Yeah, he don't need mention that he is liberal. Both sides can't do science.

Apart from the fact that it's a bullshit power, he was able to make estimates and just solve the equations extremely fast. The whole "steps are a certain size because our brains can calculate that" bit,but taken to an extreme. He never """calculated""" the exact numbers to damn decimals, it was a "reflex". He just... "knew". Think those autistic savants.

Oops, brainfart

By knowing that level of physics it is implied that he finished high school, so yes.

I don't know how to tell you this but..... comic books are written for children, and people who don't mind reading children's literature.

I'm not saying you shouldn't criticise comic books, but considering how often they breeze past the scientific explanations, you'd have to spend the rest of your life doing it.

So your problem is the bullshit math? Who gives a shit, it's a comic book and the ones doing the math are a girl in flying armor and a Hulk. This is extremely dumb.

>just turn your brain off bro! xD
This is literally school level physics. It doesn't take more than a minute to check SI Units.

And no, that's not my problem. My problem is that THESE people are the ones who launch crusades and pretend as if they're authorities on human progress. Motherfucker, you're literally more stupid than a 14 YO kid, how the hell do you even muster the courage to defend your beliefs?

>launch crusades and pretend as if they're authorities on human progress

mate, I dunno what the fuck you're on about. but maybe chill out and stop reading comic books if the maths gets you too riled up

Are you seriously b8ing me about Waid? Really, user?

???? no?
at times like these I'm glad I don't get caught up in comic book drama. I still don't know what you're on about

Most adults forget what they learned in highschool.

Your average 14 year old isn’t taking a physics class as a freshmen in high school dude

What people, superheroes? What are you on about? I feel like you're trying to imply something super here but got the life of me I can't grasp it.

>???? no?
Well, be glad then.

Not such basic shit. Even my fisherman dad remembers that.

We all do here, and I'm a fucking SouthEast Yuropoor where """schools""" don't even work.

You're all b8ing, right? My point is that Waid, the extreme SJW who voices his opinion in anything political, and wants to "punch people", is just a stupid cunt that he couldn't be bothered to read up on SI Units. How the hell does such a person, and the ones like him, have an ego this huge?

yeah, I get the feeling his complaints go beyond maths

>le comic book logic
Here we fucking go.

That argument, as loose and dumb as it is, only applies to the fictional elements of a Capeshit story. Such as Superman being weak to kryptonite because of its excessive amounts of red sun radiation, or Flash's speedforce in general.

Here Waid uses math; something that actually exists here in the real world. He poorly writes it out and makes the results so unbelievably stupid that even a High School freshmen could call him out on it.

You know what would have been cooler? If he actually got his math right. You look like a real asshole when you're writing for science fiction can't even get the science part down right. Robert Heinlein would've throttled Waid for something like this.

>The absolute state of Sup Forums

Don't talk shit about Based Waid you shitfuck yuropoor scum.

>SJW
>finally admitting the real reason you made this post

literally no one cares if you think some rando writer is left wing. but if that's your actual complaint, just say so. why hide behind "these comics show inaccurate science" bullshit?

am I meant to know who this guy is?

Newsflash: comic book authors aren't all that smart. More at 11.

Up next: are comics ruining your child's mental and social development? Experts say, "yes, because I need eyes on my brand and controversy is a fire-fire way to get it."

>Amerimutts can't use Imperial right so they have to borrow from metric and by doing so fucked the equation up entirely
Why are you even surprised?

Oh, okay, now I'm getting it. Basically what you're saying in a very autistic manner is that in order for Waid to write about social issues or, well, physics, he should be able to pull apart a rifle in less then 30 seconds, since he's apparently a radical cunt according to you. Or that in order to portray physics correctly in a comic book he should have a firm grasp of college physics, otherwise the narrative falls apart because it makes it impossible to suspend disbelief if the comic book characters (Riri and Cho in this case) don't carry the comma accurately during the equation.
In other words, if you can't read Aquaman under water, the book is worthless. Are you a fan of D&C by chance?

>YOU'RE A WHITE MALE

I dont even think you're being ironic, wew lad.

I'm sure user never meant to misgender OP
>make sure you type "her" from here on out guys

>Or that in order to portray physics correctly in a comic book he should have a firm grasp of college physics, otherwise the narrative falls apart
Definitely. I don't understand why some of you think research is so hard in this day and age where google can pretty much answer all your questions. Y'all get mad that some dude didn't spend days reading old comics to make a pointless reference or "get the character right" but you're okay with writers talking about shit they know nothing about and not doing the minimum amount of effort and reading about it. Want to write about physics? educate yourself on the subject. Want to make a series about fast cars? look that shit up.

I wouldn't call them fans. They are just outrage fags

How do you know? I know some people just sucks at math and history too.

characterisation in infinitely more important than nit-picky details

>muh 60 year characterization based on that one panel from that one tie-in is more important than getting basic facts, like numbers, right
Jesus Christ...

>nit-picky details
Um... what? If you're making a story about car racing then you need to know shit about cars otherwise you're a fucking moron spewing garbage on a page. Same with everything else, if you want to touch a subject you need to research it and not talk like a baboon. Characterization is retarded because these characters have always been inconsistent, you child.

It's BECAUSE this is written for children that they should put effort into getting it right.

Except oh wait, the western "education" ((((system)))) is just there to dumb down kids, not empower them. So I guess it's fine if comics do too.

I, too, am impressed by how stupid Amerimutt comic book authors are. They're almost as bad as those found everywhere else in the world, but still somehow superior in a freedom-loving, eagle screeching kind of way.

...

call me a child all you like, but I'm not the one reading through comic books I don't enjoy to find maths inaccuracies

Or how about do what science fiction writers actually do (not what you think they do, like Heinlein) and characterize first, fill the blanks later if necessary? Because plenty of science fiction isn't even accurate, there's a specific genre for this (hard sci-fi), and comic book superheroes most definitely fall outside of this. And guess what, it doesn't make them any less just got not having a solid grasp of math, or science, because for the most part none of that stuff has accurate physics.
In fact I'm going to go beyond that: the meeting reason why someone like The Maker had trouble doing calculations on 616 to work out details during Ultimates2 was because the physics of that universe were really different from his. So whenever you think some calculations "don't make sense", just assume it's how it does in 616 and leave it at that.

I'm not either. I'm not OP. I just came in to tell you that you are retarded. See, retarded people usually aren't aware of the fact that they're retarded, so it's our duty to let them know.

no one is reading the maths bullshit. kids aren't reading it. healthy adults aren't reading it. the only ppl reading it are already looking for faults in something they think is made by an 'sjw'

>It's BECAUSE this is written for children that they should put effort into getting it right.
Children don't fucking care, they're not gonna use shit from a comic book in school, why does it matter?

Actually what are they calculating for? What is Hulk calculating for? Do they need that just to push?

If you're making a story 200 years into the future and creating your own science and technology, fine. But if you're using real life logic and science but getting the numbers and results wrong then you're just an idiot.

wanna suck my dick, fag?

you'd think so

They needs the calculations to stop the train safety.

Why Waid cares about this nerdy shit they are spouting?

Why though? It's not happening in reality, it's a different universe with different rules where these results are correct. I'm struggling to understand why any of this matters.

They’re trying to find the force the train will exert on them upon impact, so that they can exert the same ammount. It’s not even an ounce of correct thinking, but... eh.

Lord's name in vain

I mean really? Do they need to calculate before lifting weights too?

it doesn't, OP just wants an excuse to complain someone made Riri a character

Waid thinks he's being unique by having the smart characters talk in formula. He did it last issue too.

I definitely remember seeing Captain America do some hard maths before buffing up lol

Heinlein didn’t throttle Hubbard for making shit up and Hubbard was fucking his wife at the time.

I think to me, nothing beats Sivana creating a math formula specifically to walk through walls.

>to stop the train safely.

by all accounts doing what they did would result in deaths.

>why any of this matters.

Ah yes, the "get out of jail free card" of writing.

>Why though? It's not happening in reality, it's a different universe with different rules where these results are correct
In the story set 200 sure. But when you design your story around realism and real life current problems and issues then that lazy excuse does not work. Nobody is forcing you to include the physics babble but these hack writers still include it.

>comic books are written for children
This hasn't been true for 20+ years.

>it matters because it annoys like 3 people
"everyone's criticism is valid" which is literally just as annoying

I remember this exact same argument in 2008 of people complaining Stephanie Myere didn't write an accurate high school setting.
this matters just as much now as it did then

>in order to portray physics correctly in a comic book he should have a firm grasp of "college" physics
That should go without saying. Newtonian physics is boilerplate stuff, user.

Besides, comic books exist in this vacuum where only some rules apply and only when the situation requires it. Gravity operates arbitrarily, mass is merely an idea, and energy can manifest from nothingness into perfect spheres and visible beams and bolts for dramatic effect. Not to mention that two forms of light seem to exist: scene and "practical" light with a speed of infinity (so the characters and readers can see what's going on) and theoretical light with a speed relative to how powerful or important a character is at that moment.

Spotlighting traditional maths and physics with character dialogue in that world is as pointless as its application appears in the OP.

just because you read superhero comics doesn't mean they're written for you. Marvel is under no obligation to preserve your childhood

This is the saddest bit of idiocy I've ever seen.

And yet virtually all scientists are liberal. Weird.

So wait... you're defending twilight to reinforce your argument?
This is why cape comics suck, only fanboys that read nothing but cape comics are allowed to write them, fuck people that read actual books and shit, y'know? And then some dude comes in, says fuck your continuity and characterization and makes the definitive run on the character. L O fucking L.

Marvel is under the obligation to sell comics to people who buy them.

they don't make a profit, and they don't need to. Comics are just a testing ground for stuff they might wanna make into other media

>Robot: here I will recant a formula so as to appear intellectual.
>Ogre: here are some numbers plugged into said formula, because I, too, am smart.
>Robot and Ogre: now we show our strength by pushing against this subway car.
>Robot and Ogre: we are smart and strong heroes!

It's more than a little pedestrian. No wonder nobody respects the medium.

No
and no
and you know I don't have the energy for this anymore, i gotta chat noir porn thread i could be on
go rant ur bullshit at someone else

>every other form of entertainment has committees or a writing team to come up with ideas
>for some reason capeshit specifically needs comic books to come up with ideas
If that's the meme you want to buy then so be it.

I always hate it when it happens because "superscience" by retards is always noticable.

those stats are heavily skewed by the social sciences, which have a long standing bias against conservatives.

>every super-scientist in their natural habitat has a whiteboard or holo-screen with e=mc^2 scrawled on it somewhere
I feel like this trope should be retired, but at this point it's become something of a Wilhelm scream for artists.

>this mad over someone calling Waid out on his bullshit
whew

Yeah man science has a heavy bias towards conservatives, even though it's the vast majority of the scientists right now telling objectively all the things conservative lobbying is trying very hard to deny. Funny how that works.

>even though it's the vast majority of the scientists right now telling objectively all the things
You're not making any sense, Alex. Please calm down.

i still don't know who he is, but okay

>i assume he was behind Ironheart?

More like getting tired of trying to argue with someone with a clear agenda. Not even him, I just saw the way OP shifted from "calling his bullshit" to "this is why SJWs suck", as if it had any relevance in the argument.

Make fun of based marvel all you want but at the end of the day THEY AREN'T THE ONES BEING SOLD OFF DCHUMP

I fucking hate Cho Hulk

Let's face it. Nobody respects science as a whole except when it's convenient for them. And then you have the Rick & Morty fan's way of "respecting" science.

I like "10 Sin, 20 go to hell" on Futurama. That one was great.

What agenda? The point is simple, want to write about something, research it.

Sure, you got a point, and comic books often use science and magic interchangeably, let's not deny that. But there's that and there's jumping to wild conclusions regarding someone else's political leanings. It's just make believe and they only owe to rigurosity within its own canon, as simplistic as that may be. No one reading these comics (or even more popular ones) is stopping to think about the feasibility of these things, this is why there's specific charts where certain powers are explained in terms of physics and are treated as curiosities.
Fun fact: Waid was the one who explained in terms of, again, make believe physics, how Mjolnir worked to manipulate density. No one else has bothered in the many decades of existence Thor has.

The hidden premise of the thread was that SJWs suck, but to reveal it, OP's well-laid plan was to first demonstrate how stupid this particular comic book author is, then to compose a greentext list of obvious flaws describing the course of this aforementioned stupidity. Their masterstroke was then an attempt to start a witch hunt with a side of gross oversimplification and marginalization of the medium.

Pure genius, truly.

Nah. Many writers have spoken against that mentality before, there really is the story and nothing else. Every other detail is added fluff, as much as it might bother you. Otherwise a lot, and I mean A LOT of science fiction wouldn't even be written, since they never bothered to research how certain things worked before committing them to paper.

They're superheroes.
They do super things.
They're super.

Also, they're not real.
It's a comicbook.

>Oh noes! A superpowered character has a superpower! He USES IT IN THE COMIC! AAAAA!

I'll be frank. Established sci-fi authors, both in the past and contemporary, tend to exercise careful consideration about whether a piece of dialogue should be spoken by an individual or a hive mind, or even as internal dialogue instead. In the case of OP, it's pretty clear this comic author had a lapse in judgment.

The characterization fell apart when a bunch of super geniuses couldn't get basic math right.
>to the decimal with Imperial units

Waid didn't even try. Don't keep defending this stupid shit.

You can criticise the content just fine because Waid isn't above criticism (and I've done it before), I think it's bullshit math but I just glossed over it, it doesn't even register just like the previous issue (by the way no one even fucking bothered to storytime this and it's annoying because there's zero context), what I think it's ridiculous is to base the entire criticism around a specific part of it. It reminds me of how Neil Tyson knocks down the feasibility of science fiction movies, instead of offering alternate perspectives that would make them work while being accurate. He thinks it makes him clever, but it just makes him look like a jackass.

Comic book writers are notoriously shit at science.