I know Sup Forums hates liberalism, but what do you think of socialism?

I know Sup Forums hates liberalism, but what do you think of socialism?

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its for lazy niggers

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It will never work and is a huge waste of money.

Sup Forums only believes in anti-socialism

This

Made by the jew as a tool of control over the subhumans

Once we gas the jews, all leftists should follow suit

For buying votes from mud people.

>“A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

>“We will bring the war to the imperialist enemies’ very home, to his places of work and recreation. We must never give him a minute of peace or tranquility. This is a total war to the death.”

>“If the nuclear missiles had remained, we would have used them against the very heart of America, including New York City…We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims…We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm.”

-Che Guevara

Sounds like Sup Forums really

socialism: people hating poor people trying to make everybody poor.

source for the pic?

i have a t shirt with that image on it, always been curious

Socialism will only work if you remove all traces of Marxism and then instead of throwing a shit fit DIRECTLY at the economy through equity, you indirectly influence it by throwing all everything you have at reforming the education system so that it works on an individual level.

he was racist, homophobic and a didn't care about human rights... just like Sup Forums

it will never work

this

>you want more of something, subsidize it. You want less of something, tax it.
It subsidizes and propigates poverty and dependency.

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I like National Socialism

>Rand

>>>/natsoc/

Not if you go Nationalist Socialist

>socialism

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it just divides the drudgery equally. worthless

>it will never work

>Implying far-right nationalism has ever worked

Though that is with the expectation that the party will ALWAYS be for the people, and that the rich faggots in the country would never try to influence the leader (which would effectively create the US as it is today, if only without the 1st & 2nd amendment rights)

>Socialism
This word means nothing. People have interpreted socialism differently in every corner of the world and they shall continue to do so.
>What do I think of "Socialism"
Another ideology.

che guevara

Timugin did a pretty good job of it.

There's no point in asking Sup Forums about socialism, they don't know jack shit about it.

The industry and productivity of the people should benefit the people, as opposed to individuals (capitalists).

That's been the core idea of socialism forever.

nationalism isn't the opposite of socialism.
free markets are and they are proven to work.

>Sup Forumstards complain that jews have too much money and control
>doesn't want them to pay a fairer tax rate because for some reason socialism is bad

retarded

>free markets are proven to work
top quark

The very existence of Anti-trust/Competition laws says you are objectively wrong.

>socialism means higher taxes
how is this site so fucking stupid

Two people that don't know what socialism is in one post.

participants in any market aren't interested in a free market but in a market skewed in their favour. The existence of these laws can be interpreted as both a reaction to this simple fact as well as a expression of that fact. Either way, in the long run a free market would be self-correcting.

BASED ARGIE

So not even capitalists like free markets? Wew comrade. You sure convinced me.

>Either way, in the long run a free market would be self-correcting.
>muh magic of the free market
I thought it was socialists that were supposed to be naive and bad at economics.

Forget anything and everything you learned about economics in school. Let me tell you about Pinkertons, and how corruption and coercion interact with the market.

still garbage

thatcher has been prime minister of your stupid island. unless you can proof similar achievements in economics or politics I'd be cautious to imply any ignorance of that topic on her side.

I think it could work great in a small homogeneous country with an intelligent immigration policy. In a large country, a diverse country or one that lets anyone do the samba across their border and get benefits, not so much.

Nice argument from authority and of course politicians are known to be completely objective and honest individuals

OP are you retarded? what do you think? This is how i know you are a faggot.

You walk around with that guy's face on your shirt, and you have no idea who he is?

Che was a real piece of work. As bad as ISIS.
Molyneux had a good one about him
youtube.com/watch?v=1eMLk1nQh5o

>The very existence of Anti-trust/Competition laws says you are objectively wrong.


lel

>private industry gives money to gov to ruin the economy in there favor
>muh must create laws to prohibit that now
>muh free market

kek as ususal

I think Marx gave some great analysis. His end goal was pretty simple though huh? He basically wanted the life your hillbillies already live. Without people trying to genocide them or use the power of the state to force conditions on them. (kind of the opposite of the Obama years)
Same with that pipeline, If they had actually asked the people about that pipeline...A different solution could have been conceived and implemented via crowd sourcing, i think that is what they are really scared about with the Internet, mobs turning around and essentially forming their own free form government without bureaucrats, crooked or not. Could the Flint water problem have been solved without them do you think? I think so. Open, remote assistance and expertise.

Don't worry about "Communism" or "Socialism" Once the problems of the developing world (Baby shitting, raping, ignorant, disease spreading Africans and Middle Easterners) are gone/solved then everyone will be able to chill and talk politics/philosophy ideas/solutions/explorations on the net so they don't regress and slip into ignorance while still being free. At some point the people are going to turn around and just say:
> Stop "Developing" here now thanks, we are happy, does someone need help? how can i help? Can i get involved in this? Can you show me how? etc. Controlling territory will be important for a while, as global development occurs.

So it is important to find out WHY people are doing the things they are, because it will almost always relate to coercion or exploitation. Like with your exploitation of Mexicans, you fucking cunts. Tell the Mexican government to sort it's shit out. ALL governments across the world need to sort their shit out.

educate me then :)

And looking at historical experience, I think market capitalism has been shown to benefit the people the most. I just think you have to break up corporations, especially in the financial sector and in the media, if they grow too large.

It took them a while, but with the government getting more and more involved in the economy, it took capitalists a while to figure out to corrupt the government to skew in their favour.

>some rogue psycho pharmacist was tainting meds with cyanide
>the company took it upon themselves to deal with it, introduced bottle seals
>tfw it will never happen today
>tfw noblesse oblige is dead and upper class won't fart without seeing a return on their investment
>tfw capitalism sapped people of morality

VIVA PERON, VIVA MESSI, VIVA EL CHE, VIVA FRANCISCO, VIVA MARADONA, VIVA MAXIMA

Being from the same country as the retard in the picture, I can tell you that the only ones who wear Che Guevara t-shirts or post his shit online are the eternal students (35 year olds who are registered at public universities but never finish because socialism is their excuse for being lazy fucks), ppl in minor and irrelevant left-wing parties who only want welfare and subsidies and the occasional rich fuck who thinks that if he's rich, maybe you can "fight" so everyone else is (even though they never do anything that requires working too hard or spending their own money, much a la Sean Penn). Does that paint the picture for ya?

I never asked for it, but thanks for that prime example of extreme retardation. Seguro chorro y vago como buen kakarulo

A certain level of socialism is acceptable.
The state provides certain services such as health care, primary education etc. ensuring that citizens are at least allowed basic resources and facilities, as well as building infrastructure etc.

If the state owns certain companies, factories etc. it is able to raise revenue directly, cutting out the jewish middleman, and asserting their independence from the globalist scum, they can then use this revenue to build their country and provide for THEIR people, rather than having all of the wealth siphoned out of their country and into the pockets of corporate scum.

Nobody can truly claim to be a nationalist whilst opposing at least some degree of socialism, in my eyes the two go hand in hand, you must do your duty and take care of your fellow countrymen.

Also, socialism falls apart the moment you bring in mass immigration, it cannot cope with an influx of a large number of foreign immigrants, who do not contribute to the revenue raised by the state, but suck the social security nets dry.

Remember folks, Socialism is Aryan, Communism is subhuman.

un chorro va a estar en Sup Forums? dale man, soy un simple peronista inetero! y estudiante de ingenieria

So the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was Aryan then?

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

You literally just had to google the word

Not an argument.

>Sup Forums hates liberalism
kek

Not an argument.

Interestingly enough, I have yet to see a source on those quotes that isn't blatantly propagandistic.

Nice meme.

You're thinking of welfare.

you have literally accused a dead person of incompetence. if I point out her achievements, which are expressions of her competence., it's no appeal to authority. When I then point out that you are a dumbass, that is because you are.

honestly, I'm getting head aches right now. Therefore I'm going to cut myself short.
a) in the end we're going to talk about 'my particular brand of capitalism has never be tried'. therefore it's not too bad we stop now.
b) I think the states ability to regulate markets opens the door for corruption. it's a case of 'even if you only intent to use it for good, in the end somebody will use it to his advantage'. And like I already said: market participants have the sole objective to profit - therefore they will skew the market in their favour if they can.
c)markets are self-organising systems that optimise themselves to achieve best resource allocation based on demand.

Entre Peron, el Che y Maradona, no me dejas mas opciones que pensar en K o golpe en la cabeza de chiquito. El Che era asesino y pedofilo y Maradona festejo con los milicos, fue alfonsinista, menemista, kirchnerista, cristinista y no me sorprenderia que en tres años sea vidalista. Peron hizo tantas cagadas que no sabria por donde empezar. Vos te das cuenta que nos dejas mal en un foro donde con tanto racismo y violencia, hay que esforzarse mucho para quedar mal?

>all the capitalist cucks in this thread

What a bunch of 1% dicksuckers. I'm sure they appreciate being able to afford that third mansion, or their fourth Lamborghini

In the case of the USSR, both of the world's mass propaganda agencies were in agreement that it was socialist, for different reasons.

The Soviet media were pushing for the USSR to be recognized as Socialist because they wanted the 'prestige' that came with the idea of socialism among the Russian people.

The west agreed because they wanted to attribute the atrocities committed by the USSR to Socialism, thus discouraging Americans from becoming socialist.

In reality, the Bolsheviks dismantled any true form of socialism that may have existed prior to the October 'Revolution' as soon as they took power, they dismantled the constituent assembly right after it became apparent that they would not win a majority. The constituent assembly consisted of mainly social revolutionaries and mensheviks.

They systematically dismantled the workers unions/soviets and councils, as they were dominated by primarily Social Revolutionaries and mensheviks.

Essentially, they dismantled the body that was allowing the workers to have control over the means of production, distribution and exchange, the definition of socialism.

So essentially, the Bolsheviks dismantled socialism as soon as they took power.

>know Sup Forums hates liberalism, but what do you think of socialism?
die pinko vermin

Didn't work on my machine

A failed experiment that just won't die.

>wealth redistribution
this meme again
Bernie is mild compared to the really red socialists.

Socialism has killed more people than all the wars of the 20th century combined. True fact.

era en joda el post amigo, lo del che y maxima fue a proposito y admiro a maradona futbolisticamente nomas

If it is no appeal to authority then what relevance are her achievements?

todo bien. el ataque de furia tambien era en joda, es la "onda" por estos lares jaja. supongo que peores cosas pasan en Sup Forums

That quote makes no sense. It's like saying "the problem with veganism is that you eventually run out of plastic bags."

when you are a child everything is provided for you isn't it, your parents pay for your healthcare, your food, you clothes etc, they also discipline you when you misbehave and decide for you what you can and can't do
socialists are people who wish to live in this state even as adults, they are in a perpetual state of adolescence, they've not fully developed in to an adult mentally
women are much more likely to think this way than men, socialism never really took hold until they were able to vote, whether that is because they're the natural caretakers of children and thus what benefits children benefit them, or if it's because they're just plain dumb I don't know, but I do know one thing, they shouldn't be able to vote.

>If it is no appeal to authority then what relevance are her achievements?
you don't think being prime minister of England and dealing with the leaders of real world communists states hints at the possibility somebody os able to say what socialism is in theory and practice + what the difference is in the way europeans and Americans understand that term?

>Somewhere out there, someone has something you don't.. and they should die for it!

He is adorable. But it is not possible without totalitarianism. It can not survive for long.

Conclusion - fuck socialism from him some problems. Life is too short.

Yes I don't think that as it would be an appeal to authority.

Socialism can work in a small community where everyone feels comfortable calling each other out, or checking up on each other to see if they're ok.

Where it won't work is in a progressive nightmare society that isn't homogeneous so no one feels like telling the black or mexican kids.. "uhh you should really apply yourself more in school rather than dropping out 50% of the time. You do understand that makes you a burden to society as other people have to pay for you the rest of their lives, right?"

Except no one says that, instead they get into arguments about identity politics that go nowhere and is instead a circular forever discussion that makes matters worse.

So if I lived on an island with 1 million white people, sure socialism could work.

But instead we live with 50,000,000 niggers in the USA and multicultural society where some citizens are clearly better than others on average to an insane degree.

So.. fuck socialism you cunt.

I've always thought that I placed economics and taxes above social issues, but I recently realized I can talk economics, taxes, any non-social issue, as long as I agree with them socially. I've talked to Libertarians, Anarcho-Communists, and Paleoconservatives but I can't bring myself to hold a decent, satisfactory conversation without knowing we're similar socially.
I'd be willing to have a Brocialist President Economically as long as he's willing to let Partnerships and Sole Proprietorships have lower minimum wages than Corporations.
Nah, Pol is more Anti-Corruption, Anti-Mainstream. Anti-establishment is a pretty good term to define us. They'res some lefty pols on here.

Let's count.
>Second Anglo-Boer War: 60,000 or so total deaths
>Herero Wars: 65,000+ total deaths
>WWI: 18,000,000 dead
>Russian Civil War: 9,500,000 dead
>WWII: 60,000,000 dead
>Korean War: 1,200,000 dead (possibly much more)
>Mau Mau Rebellion: possibly 20,000+ dead
>Suez Crisis: 4,000 or so killed
>Malayan Emergency: 10,000 or so dead
>Aden Emergency: 2,000 dead
>Second Sino-Japanese War: 25,000,000 dead
>Chinese Civil War: 8,000,000
>Bangladesh Liberation War: 2,500,000 dead
>Vietnam War: 3,800,000 dead
>Mexican Revolution: 1,500,000
>Soviet-Afghan War: 1,300,000 dead
>First Persian Gulf War: 1,000,000 dead
>Biafra War: 1,000,000 dead
>Ethiopian Civil War: 1,500,000 dead
>Spanish Civil War: 500,000+ dead
>First Indochina War: 400,000
>Algerian War of Independence: 1,500,000
Versus about 15-20,000,000 for Stalin and about 20-30,000,000 for Mao, on average. Ethiopia and a few other countries added a few million. No contest.

>hurr let's psychoanalyze people based on strawman views of their political beliefs

Have you ever talked to someone who was wearing a Che Guevara t shirt? This shouldnt surprise you.

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Cancer.

A virus of the mind.

Socialist country here confirm, also the government is corrupted as fuck
But at least we dont have to deal with terrorism

Socialism only works if all people have empathy and trust and care each other. But as soon as just one of them is greedy and hungers for power, it comes crashing down like a castle of cards.
That's why you can apply it in well constructed families and in little social circles with no problem. But society as a whole is too big to keep socialism in check.

what? i got it at Walmart and thought it looked cool

fuck you commie

this guy needs a haircut

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I'm fine with it. As long as it's national socialism.