So Greek far-right party Golden Dawn is supposed to be a white nationalistic party but it's led by a non-white?
Is this media propoganda? Are they truly white nationalists and is their leader a selfhating ethnic? Or are they just far right but for every race?
This genuinely doesn't make any sense to me.
>nationalistic means white supremacy
there's your fallacy. didn't even need the first thread
Well, he is whiter than 90% of Greeks.
Greeks are mostly white. The meme that their Turks from Anatolia even though those Turks aren't actual Turks needs to die.
What's wrong with that? Greeks just want to save their country from become an islamic state.
Take a look at this. Europe consists of two big groups of people. You are mainly of the Kurgan people, we are mainly of the pre-Kurgan people, that looked like Anatolians. He is not self-hating, he just never thought he had to look like a Dutch to love himself.
>2 consecutive threads in 6 hours
Don't you have some black dicks to suck Jaap? Wasting your time memeing on Sup Forums will not make Jamal happy.
True. This photo proves that greeks aren't white and they shouldn't act like it.
Their DNA isn't anywhere near the ancient Greeks. The ancient greeks had about an ADF (Aryan DNA freq.) of approx 97% with their ancestors coming from the northern Germanic lands.
The man on this picture, and almost all modern greeks are 30% Turk; 30% mongol, 20% balkan, 5% slav, 5% Sri Lankan and 10% central african DNA. The skin colour of this man is clear proof for my statements.
I started my first thread about 2.5 hours ago.
That other anti-greek thread is not mine.
How happy would you be, from 0 to 10, if I started derailing your thread with pictures of big black dicks?
Only Greeks would save pictures of big black dicks on their PC
Ancient Greeks didn't come from northern Germanic lands. Aryan DNA freq. isn't a term that exists anywhere in scientific literature. You are making things up like the retarded stormfag that you are.
Fuck GD. I explained the reasons recently to a toothpaste, are you a different brand?
This is correct, even ancient Greeks saved pots with big dicks drawn on them for the purpose of shitposting and derailing discussions.
>Their DNA isn't anywhere near the ancient Greeks.
The highest percentage of shared Minoan mitochondrial DNA variation was found with Neolithic populations from Southern Europe.
The analysis also showed a high degree of sharing with the current population of the Lassithi plateau and Greece.
In fact, the maternal genetic information passed down through many generations of mitochondria is still present in modern-day residents of the area where the Minoan skeletons were found.
Gonna drop this here desu.
Well my wife's son is black and has a big black dick, so i'm quite used to it.
>using science in a shitpost thread
Is it correct to call this nigger behavior when every white person here uses memes and things blown out of their asshole as irrefutable proof?
If so, call me nigger/turk/whatever every day, any day.
None white? Real funny.
Basically whites are a meme race. It's just the old barbarians who don't want to call themselves barbarians anymore. No one takes those cucks seriously that's why we're shipping Africans to fuck their daughters.
AHAHHAHAHA, Turks don't even have 30% mongol you fuckin clown, they're more like 20% central asian, and fun fact Greeks have lower frequencies of asian anything in them than all other Euros. So stupid you are.
I can't believe you took the bait that hard. Does sarcasm not exist in the Greek language?
>5% Sri Lankan
How did that not give it away to you? Jesus...you made like three posts and did at least 20 minutes of research and typing. You might want to lurk more before you post...
well that Minoans were of Med stock I don't think it's something nordshits dispute, the idea is would be that the Greek invaders were of nordic stock, at least the elites
just a curiosity though, would you say the R1a in Greece is relatively recent? because while for instance west Europe has barely any R1a, sign that corded ware culture(i.e of nordics) didn't really affect the west that much, in Greece you find bigger amounts of R1a
Hitler was a liberal socialist.
Mention that little factoid to GD members then watch em tear themselves apart.
Seriously, fuck those guys.
Absolutely ridiculous that they're the third to fourth largest political party in the country and that they're one of the few willing to enact harsher border patrols.
Fuck this country is an idiocracy.
>be in greek army near turkish border in charge of thermal vision van for border control
>see parade of illegals arriving, go out to meet them
>they immediately shit themselves seeing army colors, they thought they were back in their shithole country or something
>"germany, we want germany allah akhbar"
>NAI MALISTA, YOU TAKE TRAIN TO MUNICH, IT'S VERY GOOD THERE, FREE FOOD, FREE WIFI, FREE WIFE, 5000 EUROS A WEEK
>smiles up their ears
>reporting it to superiors would mean police would have to detain them in greek camps
>I just gave them my blessings and a safe trip
>feels good to do my european duty
You just got counter-trolled.
It's ok user, Greek shitposting is aeons advanced, it happens to the best.
You think that sarcasm really can be differentiated from stormfag posting? You should lurk more my friend.
The idea of Greek invaders and what not is not something that is historically accurate. The idea of a different racial elite is pure buffoonery propagated by a stormfag book of the 1900s.
Basically Anglos wanted to be everyone at that time, Greeks, Israelites, we wuz everything.
I have no idea about R1a, my hunch is that it would be recent but who knows. It's not crazy to assume that the northern tribes of Greece might have carried it.
Golden Dawn is a Greek Nationalist party, did they ever claim to be White Nationalist? Most ethnic Greeks are White though.
Its called white genocide. Turk blood muddied them up, and they arent true greeks anymore. One of their platform promises is to fix the demographic problem.
>One of their platform promises is to fix the demographic problem.
Lmao friend. That doesn't mean what you think it means. It means that they want those 'turkified' Greeks to have more kids instead of importing Syrians.
The fact that they are led by a non white is a tad bit strangest, but it's not uncommon for mixed race in the US supporting white nationalism. They have seen enough to understand and agree with the sentiment, and I assume also hope to win themselves a place after the dust settles.
he's white by greek standards.
I'm r1a haplogroup, both parents Greek from Islands no idea where the fuck it came from. I have distant relatives within 500-1000yrs or so with people with Germany, Poland, Russia and Prussian ancestry on their paternal lineages.
It takes more balls to admit that you simply fell for a shitpost than to keep defending yourself. But I guess I shouldn't expect a Greek to have any balls since the Turks cut them off long ago.
He must be one charismatic little blob to be the leader of a white power movement. I'm impressed desu.
>The ancient greeks had about an ADF (Aryan DNA freq.) of approx 97% with their ancestors coming from the northern Germanic lands.
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Hello Stavros, didn't know there was a Greek diaspora in Canada
You don't need a "racial purity seal" to oppose mass immigration into your country. Even if you look like a North African you can still oppose North African immigration. North Africans and Turks still look much different on average than Greeks, they are part of a different religion, culture and have a much different mentality. Mass immigration dumps wages down, increases crimes, creates ghettos and many short and long-term problems, you don't need to have blue eyes and blonde hair to be able to oppose this.
Thread saged and reported.
PS: I'm 99% that this Dutch faggot is a Turkroach diaspora parasite baiting people to hate the Greeks btw.
well that Greek speakers, just like Italic speakers, or Celtic speakers, or Germanic speakers came from the same proto-Indo-European speakers is a pretty strongly accepted idea by anyone, just as it being brought by an invading folk is pretty accepted as well(kurgan hypothesis)
the issue is what route they took, and how they mixed
what's interesting is that while corded ware culture, which was a culture of north Europe populated by people autosomally very much "Scandinavian" and related to the proto-IE, carried R1a for the most, with some R1b and others, the original proto-IE speakers seemed to have been chiefly R1b, with no R1a to be found
this would suggest that for instance proto-Italo-Celts weren't a product of CW culture related folks moving south, but rather a product of the original speakers moving west in the Danube area and mixing there
as for Greeks, while it's commonly accepted the Greek speakers entered from the north, it's not clear if they also came from Danubians or what
What test did you take?
Not really.
I should have noticed the flag and ignore it tbqh
Wasted quads. Your theory is obsolete. The Indo-European languages spread in waves by and amongst racially different peoples, taking multiple routes. There is no commonly accepted theory on where the Greeks came from but my bets are on Anatolia.
>PS: I'm 99% that this Dutch faggot is a Turkroach diaspora parasite baiting people to hate the Greeks btw.
I dont really think that people in Sup Forums hate us desu its just the perma butthurt turkish diaspora desu
the kurgan hypothesis is anything but obsolete, it's in fact the mainstream hypothesis to explain the spread of IE languages
of course the spread was not in a single wave and there was mixing going on in different areas, the point is understanding the process
He's not. He basically owns the party and doesn't let anyone come close to the leadership. He's not popular or charismatic but who cares when you got your little private party to make shekels from.
Don't hate Greeks, but even you guys must acknowledge that the man in the OP isn't white and that it's very strange for a non-white to be on our side.
>Golden Dawn is supposed to be a white nationalistic party but it's led by a non-white?
No, it's a nationalist party. You have to be a brainwashed liberate retard to believe that nationalism = white power.
The Kurgan hypothesis is obsolete or at least incomplete since it doesn't explain all languages and Greek has always been a sore point. Scientists are looking at different models now, that involve different routes and chronologies of entry into Europe. And basically the spread of the language doesn't mean much about race. The Greeks took their alphabet from the Phoenicians, so what? Does that mean we are semites now? No.
dude the man in your pic doesnt care about whiteness he just cares about his people (in his own twisted way).
He isn't on your side. You confuse the old nationalist parties with the neo-nationalism of Sup Forums and the alt-right. He is basically a hyper-patriot, he doesn't give a shit about race.
Indo-Europeans were cucks. Varg confirms it: youtube.com
I can respect that. I guess it's a cultural difference in my country a non-white never really is accepted on our side.
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>The Kurgan hypothesis is obsolete or at least incomplete since it doesn't explain all languages and Greek has always been a sore point.
this seems rather vague, but still, no, the kurgan hypothesis isn't obsolete
how do you explain Europeans being for the most so different from their neolithic ancestors in a time frame compatible with the kurgan expansion, all bearing coincidentally the same paternal lineage as the candidate invaders?
Nice fo' fo's
"Greek speakers" is not a simple matter.
First there were Minoans and Mycenaeans (among a few others), who were the dominant proto-Greeks and have always lived here, at least they weren't tied to origins other than modern Greece. They used a form of hieroglyphics (Linear A/B), which had almost nothing to do with ancient or modern Greek.
Later on there were vast movements from north and east of Greece who inherited a staggered civilization after the dominant Mycenaean one withered away. Among them were the Ionians who settled in Athens and Asia Minor primarily, and Dorics, who settled in Sparta. It has been argued that Ionians came from either Caucasus or Anatolia and Dorics from the Danube area but that's just semantics and guesswork now.
They opposed the Greek dark age by inheriting the alphabet from the Phoenicians whom they traded with, and created a new language with many variants and dialects, but we now call it simply "ancient Greek", and a huge influx of trade, science, philosophy and culture.
>it's very strange for a non-white to be on our side.
>our side
>
He is a Greek nationalist not a white nationalist, that's an American concept.
He just wants to stop massive foreign immigration to his country and Make Greece Great Again.
Stop shilling.
I can't bare to watch this faggot, I already watched him earlier. But the Indo-European meme is too overused anyway. In fact the original Nordics weren't R1* either.
The video is good though. He explains it well.
>white greek
op ist der jude
>(Linear A/B), which had almost nothing to do with ancient or modern Greek.
linear B has been linked to Greek though, the evidence that Myceneans were speakers of some sort of old Greek dialect is there
I know that there isn't a single "old Greek", but that could indeed be explained by the later waves during the bronze age collapse, as in fact it is thought there were different Greek invasions
>to save
>literally sandnigger sperm thinks he is white LUL
I'll share a graph that explains it for you. This is the spread of the Indo-European languages according to a newer model.
My point was that the spread of Indo-European languages around Europe doesn't mean anything about the racial make-up of Europe since it was spread by different times at different times. And wherever these people went, they found other people and mixed with them. That's why we are all so different. That's what I meant by obsolete. There wasn't one blonde race that spread around Europe spreading their language at once.
You did God's work user. To the German breeding grounds!
The fact of the matter is one Greek civilization used hieroglyphics, and the immediate successor used the Phoenician alphabet to create a vast array of ancient Greek dialects.
It has been reported many times that different ancient Greek city states or tribes made fun of each other's dialect and more often that not a lack of language familiarity led to misunderstandings.
That's actually a very interesting concept on the IE expansion.
Shut the fuck up. No one here talks about Greeks that way or any other group for that matter.
We must not think of history in static terms. Cucking and immigration exists since the ancient times. There isn't "one" group of people that did one historical event. In fact, Greek mythology is full of cucking and allegories of race-mixing.
>Zeus kidnaps Europa from Phoenice
>The sons of Egypt rape the daughters of Argos
etc.
>My point was that the spread of Indo-European languages around Europe doesn't mean anything about the racial make-up of Europe since it was spread by different times at different times.
but the evidence that this happened is there, and you are ignoring it
why is it that post neolithic Europeans just happen to share so much alleles with some folks from the Ukranian steppe, folks that carried with them a culture which was very much alike the culture of the later invaders in other periods, exactly in the periods we start seeing IE speak?
sure the process was slow, and they mixed in different places with different folks, but it happened, and the signature is there, in Greeks as well
that model you are quoting is a single recent one which hasn't even been published yet, while the main kurgan hypothesis idea has been around and fought its way through the top for a while now
>There wasn't one blonde race that spread around Europe spreading their language at once.
no one is saying this, don't start making shit up
I'm not a nordicist for goodness sake
>Greek mythology
let's not go there user, there are liberals and children in this thread.
He is definitely a shitskin. Most Greeks don't look like that.
The Northest I've been in Europe is Southern Germany. Still, I noticed that people look like one another. I lived in France before that and people didn't look like one another. Neither do they in Greece. That's why it's easier to be accepted when you're slightly "off". In the Netherlands you stick out like a sore thumb if you aren't blonde and tall. It's different. We look very different.
Kek, that picture, every time
>salty sandnigger thinks he is white
KEK
Greeks are Non-Whites. The closest racial definition of a Greek is a mongrel.
God, see the picture. My point is that Greek didn't have to spread from the Ukrainians steppe by the kurgan people, it could have (and probably was) spread by another group of people from Anatolia.
You are assuming that the PIE homeland (if that thing even existed) was in the Black Sea. This is probably wrong. It was more to the East and the South. I'm not denying that PEOPLE spead from Ukraine to the West (however not so much in the Souht) I'm denying that our LANGUAGE came from them. They didn't even reach Greece for that matter, not linguistically nor genetically, until recently.
>shitskin
Have you considered that he is just tanned in some pictures? Mediterranean countries get a lot of sun.
>dear diary
>today a swedish shitskin sperm cuck called me a mongrel
His racial type is European, he is just some bizzare looking guy like you have dozens of in other countries.
Crying about it isn't going to make you White. Just giving you the truth.
How can you prove you are white?
>dear diary
>this sandnigger in denial is still salty for no reason.
>My point is that Greek didn't have to spread from the Ukrainians steppe by the kurgan people
of course, but Greek is clearly not in a vacuum, it has relations to other Indo-European languages, meaning that you likely had a single source back in time, that slowly differentiated itself
that's what I'm suggesting in the first place, what folks were speaking proto-Greek first? when did they split? and what "race" would they resemble the most? where they already thoroughly mixed with neolithic Europeans and this more similar to modern south Euros? was their proto-IE heritage less diluted? lots of questions to ask
in the immediate, they certainly didn't come from the Steppe, that seems clear
I think we can all agree we are just a multiculti cesspool (a very successful one I might add) from all over the region.
Consider this
The PIE was spoken somewhere in Anatolia
Some farmers went to the Yamnaya homeland and tought the steppe people their language
Other farmers earlier had moved to Greece and taught the natives their language
It doesn't even have to be the steppe people that went everywhere or that even came up with the language
tanned aryan
DAS RITE NIGGA
>Steve King Being Considered For Donald Trump Cabinet Position
>Says Greek people aren't White
At 5:26
youtu.be
now that we have DNA from the ancient near east, this seems even less likely, since the near eastern ancestry present in the Yamnaya is not the same as the one of neolithic Anatolians, but it's more similar to that of neolithic Iranians, which were very different from neolithic Anatolians
in fact, taking the CHG into account, Yamnaya has no neolithic European ancestry
moreover, such a patriarchal genetic shift of Europe, with the local male lineages being almost completely wiped out of existence, would hardly support the idea that the locals still managed to keep their already PIE language despite being BTFO by a non PIE speaker
anyway, this paper will come out soon enough, we'll see if it will survive the scrutiny of the experts, the anatolian idea has been struggling for quite some time now
>5% Sri Lankan
We Greek Nao?
>now that we have DNA from the ancient near east, this seems even less likely, since the near eastern ancestry present in the Yamnaya is not the same as the one of neolithic Anatolians, but it's more similar to that of neolithic Iranians, which were very different from neolithic Anatolians
in fact, taking the CHG into account, Yamnaya has no neolithic European ancestry
When I was speaking of Anatolia, I wanted to give the general location, it could have been Iran. That's not important here.
>moreover, such a patriarchal genetic shift of Europe, with the local male lineages being almost completely wiped out of existence, would hardly support the idea that the locals still managed to keep their already PIE language despite being BTFO by a non PIE speaker
We don't have proof of any such genetic shift in Ancient Greece. Even the Dorian invasion is contested (although it probably happened). As we know, it didn't eliminate everyone else, it was just the Spartans.
It's not exactly an Anatolian idea nor am I too keen on Anatolia. I believe that the kurgan people did in fact conquer a lot of people but probably not Greece. In fact, even in historical times, we have some accounts of the Scythes by Greeks that seem to agree with this.
ive heard some memery about the original nordics being from anatolia or some shit.
and i've also read some scientifically rigorous research of ancient nordic dna which says that they were significantly different from modern nordics.
can you offer any insight?
>Dear diary
>At last find out why Ahmed is mad
>It's because he didn't fuck his goat today
>BUT BUT MUH WE SWED ARE WHITE AND SHIT
Also, to add to this, I said before that the Yamna people WOULD have been speaking some form of IE, after coming in contact with people from the Middle East. So I agree that they spread it wherever they went. Just not in Greece. And they didn't come up with it.
>blonde statues
erhm, greeks didn't color their marble statues, you silly goose, they were just that, marble colored.
>when memes go too far that even politicians will use them as facts
One of the largest in the world.
Nationalism its not about the race, its about culture and being clearly from that nation. This white nationalism trend its a jew trick or something like that.
>We don't have proof of any such genetic shift in Ancient Greece.
well, the proof is in your DNA if you believe there's continuity with ancient Greece, or otherwise where did you get all those R1 lineages and allele sharing with Yamnaya if you were just a remnant of pre-kurgan neolithic SE Europe?
I thought Sweden was filled with Syrians and Somalis?
I think that they did come from Anatolia in the older times, but I'm not really an expert on genetics. It's significant to notice how the Nordic and Mediterannean skeleton have many similarities. After all, the I and J haplogroups have a common parent (IJ).
Many explanations for that
1) R1a is modern
2) R1a could have come through different route e.g. Anatolia
3) R1a was limited to Northern Tribes e.g. Thracians, Macedonians (and still this is where it is mostly) who didn't speak Greek but learned it
23andme for ancestry and familytreedna for y-dna haplogroup
>sees a statue of most likely Apollo or Helios who had yellow hair to represent that he was a sun God
>DAS RITE WIR WUR KÖNIGZ N SCHESSE
Greeks did paint their statues though. We're now able to recreate them in their original colors through polychrome reconstructions.
R1a is found on some Islands in high numbers in specific locations, Crete is one forgot which town/city though.
Yea, and I'll show you frescoes of stupid dark minoans and athenians.