What does Sup Forums think of veganism? Is it another Marxist ploy?

What does Sup Forums think of veganism? Is it another Marxist ploy?

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It's a misguided, hamfisted attempt at something that is actually an issue with the planet, much like our attempts at "fixing" global warming.

I've never doubted meme magic to be real.

Eat whatever you want. There's nothing wrong with veganism per se, but militant vegans or ones who talk about it all the time are degenerate, same as with any other diet. If someone says they are vegan/paleo/raw/gluten free more than three times I should have a legal right to shoot them

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[a] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

It's hard to get B12 on a vegan diet because we have a short digestive system from thousands of years of cooking food. In addition, we wash our food so thoroughly as to scrub off any B12 producing bacteria from our crops, making it harder to get it from our food. We could get it from water but we filter it all out.

Since vegans don't eat small animals or bugs like our ancestors, they need B12 supplements.

To answer your question, it's the best diet for longevity. But it doesn't taste good. And the vegan lifestyle is heavy on the production of synthetic furs and fibres which harm the environment more than natural fur. I'm sort of a "vegan," I eat meat once a week on my cheat days. The meat is cut from my father's friend's farm, it's not an industrial torture chamber or anything. Animals are raised well and eat a natural diet out in open fields, then given a humane death.

Non-vegans are so deep in the blue pill that I don't even bother to respond to these threads. It's literally the same three arguments over and over, and they're so easily triggered by any actual facts.

The true red pill
>Eating meat and dairy involves rape, murder, torture, etc. of innocent beings
>You have a literal chemical addiction to meat and dairy products
>Eating meat and dairy is degenerate
You cant call mudslimes, drug addicts, or anyone else degenerate for doing the same things you do just to a different species; you literally have the same beliefs.

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>animals have feelings

This level of autism is why
>I don't even bother to respond to these threads

>doesn't know how to greentext
fuck off you vegan shilling cuck numale newfag

Human beings are just animals; cut them some slack.

Most folks can barely wipe their own asses, and you pretend you can hold them more responsible for what they eat than a dog?

I green text quoted my original post, you fucking retard. You might actually be autistic.

>doesn't know how to greentext

That chemical addiction is called getting hungry.

Why are libs (I'm going to assume you're a liberal) all about animal feelings but don't give a shit about abortions?
And least people eat the fucking animal afterwards.

All joking aside, did you actually see an animal getting raped?

This.

Been vegitarian for about 8 years now, no dairy, no meat, no fish, no chicken, just things that can be harvested in a non-torturous manner (chickens that are taken care of for eggs, etc. Honestly If and when i retire I'd like to just live ona farm with my animals and provide them food, and they provide me food back in the form of eggs and milk n such. Anyone else on this train with me?

there is nothing marxist about veganism; it is something only the rich can afford

First day on Sup Forums, little guy?

You've got your answer it seems.

>Baby's first greentext
LURK MOAR FAGGIT xDDD GO BCK 2 REBBIT! U DUNT BE LONG HERE ASPIE

The brain's chemical processes for determining sufferining from comfort are similar in all mammals, humans included; same chemicals, similar nervous system responses, even parallels of psychological disorders.

I'm not mad at you because I know you come from a country of impoverished dirt-fucking rural types, with a shitty education system; who for reasons of often personally keeping animals as food tend to develop more practical attitudes towards them; it's the same with farmers, stockmen and slaughtermen anywhere.

However; you are kidding yourself for your own peace of mind, as folk so often do.

Every piece of flesh you have ever eaten has suffered, probably significantly.

Animals feel fear and pain in the same way we do; and if you cannot accept this fact of nature then you are unworthy to taste the fruits of the flesh; you disrespect.

The Chinese know animals feel pain; they know this because they say it makes the flesh sweeter.

Cruel isn't it?
But not stupid.

You are stupid.
Stupid is worse.

Despite the other guy coming across as a massive faggot, you seem like a decent sort.

Where do you get your protein?
Why not drink dairy? Dairy is like eggs, right? Nothing really harmful about it?

>reddit spaces
>triggered newfag

It's a mental disorder on par with transgenderism. It's brought about by aversion to fact and a lack of self-esteem.

Well written response fellow user. r u vegan or vegetarian or just devil's advocate?

We all know Hitler was vegetarian. For the longest time, I dismissed it as a meme, or maybe he just had indigestion or some shit.

But after reading Savitri Devi, I actually came to see how, in the ideal Hyperborean state, vegetarianism would be a given. In the Kali Yuga, it isn't really practical on a societal scale, but it's a goal we should all strive for in our personal lives.

>le reddit
>Le triggered newfag maymay

Don't you have a Burro to molest José?

Yes

>thousands of years
>enough time to evolve shorter GI tract

Holy fuck you're stupid.

>baby's

you aren't much better faggot

I'm an asshole.

>le
>maymay
not like your post wasn't discarded after the second word. Animals have no feelings.

Leftists enhancing guilt-tripping and neuroticism to better control people and alienate them from the right

I feel like both eggs and dairy are capable of being torturous.

I've seen plenty of the cages where they stuff almost double diget numbers of chickens in a 2x2 cage and just have the eggs drop between the bars.

The only way cows can produce milk is if they have a calf, and if the calf comes out male... well they toss it in a grinder and that's where "baby back ribs" come from.

Animals are perfectly capable of emotion, and we like to disconnect ourselves from animals saying "well we're higher beings so we're the only ones who feel emotions".

It's mostly a "Muh Feels" argument. But right now we're not in a "survival of the fittest" situation where we worry about hunting, fishing etc. Right now we hunt in Walmart aisles in a neatly packed box of chicken patties and burgers, etc. I just don't think right now it's necessary to kill anything for food at the moment, (unless there was some apocalyptic situation, i believe it's fair game at that point).

Agreed. I don't give a shit what anyone else eats but if people need to form their whole personal identity based on what they put in their mouth, chew and swallow for energy, needs a fucking bullet.

Then neither do Ecuadoormats.

You try so hard to incite anger, do you say things that are stupid and barbaric because you know it's what is expected of you?

baby's = singular ownership
babies' = multiple babies ownership.

>we will all have to embrace veganism eventually..the reality of producing meat is becoming economically unsustainable..we will miss the taste..but health wise we will be better off.

How can something that isn't self conscious have feelings?

The only way animals would be replaced as a way to get food is the same way anything is replaced in a free market, by creating a better alternative that serves the same purpose.

So for example don't expect animals to not get killed for food until lab grown meat becomes cheaper than current farming

As for protein there are a few plants you can get it from. beans, soy. A lot of people view us grass eaters as people who just eat raw vegitables 3 meals a day. When honestly I just eat pre-packed vegi burgers and stuff made of beans and whatnot.

Some vegitarian/vegan food tastes like shit, and there's a bit of a learning curve at the beginning as you learn what products you should get the next time you come around, so you don't make the same mistake again.

And there's some food that, tbqh didn't taste much different from the real thing when i first started.

Chickens are assholes, dude. They're like cats but tasty.

I get what you're saying though-- if we made hydroponic towers with vegetables we'd have all the food we'd ever need and nothing sentient would have to die. -- Not to mention it'd solve the fuel crisis with bio-diesel.

The problem is- as soon as we hit post-scarcity the Jews lose. They'll fight that forever. And as long as steak and beef remains a luxury item veganism will never catch on.

>pet doggo
>visible happiness when played with
>"How can something that isn't self conscious have feelings?"
Do us a favor and throw yourself into a meat grinder. I bet your sausages will taste like shit, but it'll make my doggo happy.

It's another form of moral posturing.
Think about how good your society has to be where you can not only monetarily AFFORD to refuse to eat any animal byproduct whatsoever and maintain a perfectly balanced nutritional intake, but declare it a moral NECESSITY to do so.
The only viable way you could have done this before the 20th century is if you owned a plantation and could eat many different types of fruits, vegetables, and grains to stay healthy.
The fact that people in a first world country could do such a thing is a direct result of capitalism and international agricultural trade.

Just because you interpret it as happiness doesn't mean he is happy.

Well maybe once we genetically modify a plant to make steak-flavored kidney beans we'll finally defeat the "muh 600 trillion gorillion"s

>Chickens are assholes, dude. They're like cats but tasty.
Some cats are assholes, but I won't lie, chicken does taste good. There's a reason why they make a fake "muh guilt free" version of it.

well one exception, the Silky breed of chickens are sweethearts and have personalities

Whats the vegan stance on abortion?

I cant imagine any group of people that would benefit if the population switched to a diet that would increse estrogen, lower testosterone, weaken the muscular and skeletal systems of the body, and be lacking in the fatty acids necissary for higher brain functions.

Now, be a good goy and drink your soy latte.

I can honestly say I never knew these types of chicken existed.

Are you some sort of cross wielding "muh humans r superior! we r special! god made me special! WE R KANGZ OF DA ANIMAL PEERAMID" types?

That's like me looking at a black person who's happy and saying "well, he's black, smiling, and cheering, but he's black and i'm white so I guess he might not actually be happy"

it's extremely well documented that dogs in play and animals in play's brain activity is almost identical to a human in a state of happiness.

What if...
What if cats were actually tasty all along?

need to get one of those

Well, this has officially gone beyond the point where providing answers is warranted.

Commencing ostracism protocol; point and laugh.

Life is precious. Life only gets 1 chance on this earth. I don't want to take that away from anything, including an unborn human.

slow down their autismo.

just cause you are a slave to the meat-jew and dairy-jew doesn't mean you should speak.

Vegetarians are fine, vegans are retarded.
Vegetarians need to stop making tofurkey and shit though. Their original food is fucking delicious, stop trying to make worse versions of good food.

"roof rabbit" is the culinary nomenclature.

After all, you serve Veal you don't call it "Man-In-The-Iron-Mask-Meat"

I don't know, ask China.

it makes you weak and lowers your testosterone.
I was a vegan for about a year, i had an exemplary diet and took every supplement to manage nutrient levels. But i felt like shit, felt like a pussy, sex drive went down big time, lacked a certain lust for life that i regained immediately after eating meat.

Well maybe they should, hits a lot of points on the novelty scale.

Because vegans are also too lazy to cook real food most of the time.

Hence why you can sucker them into paying five usd for a fruit bar or something.

cows do not produce milk unless induced to do so, initially through forced fertilization. Bulls cause damage and cannot guarantee feetilization, thus humans do it manually. Then, the calfs that are born are removed from the mother and are slaughtered or reared for future dairy production.

its literally how you get milk. but let me guess, you are too much of a faggot to read my post so you will respond with some ooga booga romainian kike-speak.

Been a vegetarian (that might be the reason why) I didn't have any of the symptoms you put down.

Is vegetarian the ultimate red pill of the vegis?

In the wake of the modern diet with too many omega-6 fatty acids and too little fiber, minerals and omega-3 fatty acids, a VEGETARIAN diet is three steps in the right direction and two steps in the wrong one. Adding fish, egg and milk to a vegetarian diet is only one step in the wrong direction.
Meanwhile, a VEGAN diet is three steps in the right direction and five in the wrong one.

Cut down on red meat or substitute it with leaner meat (ex. rabbit) and eggs.
Eat more fish, anchovies are an excellent choice.
And get your fucking fiber, I can't stress that enough.

Although you know, if we didn't have "ethic considerations", I'd be replicating the transgenic rat experiment with C. Elegans omega-6-to-omega-3-fatty-acid-converting-enzyme on humans and you'd never need to eat omega-3 ever again and have a perfect fatty acid ratio of 1:1 with perfect inflammation balance and cognitive function.

Nice anecdotal evidence faggot, the medical research has shown there is no difference in T levels you have no idea what you are talking about.

>Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality. Males experience greater health benefits than females.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

Meh, if you want to go ahead but don't project your moral outrage or whatever onto other people, also expect other people to not want to eat your shit.

That being said, if you're visiting a known and vocal vegan, either bring your own food or don't expect them to cater to you.

Do you like bran flakes too Slovenian friend?

They help me poop good.

fuck off meat tastes good

Vegetarian here (moderate/conservative) I think all life is precious, including that of an unborn child. Abortions are not okay. You get 1 chance to live on this Earth, taking that away is immoral in any aspect.

>Vegetarian diets confer protection from total mortality.
>This is what Vegetarians actually believe.

yes vegans are wet

>bran flakes
They are neato. I eat a lot of oat as part of me supporting traditional Slovenian diet, so I rarely eat bran flakes.

Or i dont want to eat meat but enjoy something with a savoury flavour during thanksgiving. Is it that hard to process or are you just retarded?

thats cause you did it wrong. Not our fault you cant balance your meals correctly.

Holy fuck I am laughing so hard, Thanks based Equator.

You see, you were so close to not being a faggot but you fucked it up at the end. You just couldn't help yourself but be a faggot.

Lack of positive male role models in your life will do that.

The time you find out what those long gloves are for is a precious one indeed, that along with the literal window into a cow's stomach are things i perhaps did not need or even want to know about.

This guy gets it.

>denying statistics because you're triggered by them

> Protection from Total Mortality.

Yeah all those 1000 year old vegans running around sure showed me.

how am I the faggot?

I am not the one who sees an opposing opinion on a mongolian pottery board and cant help but shitpost, unlike you.

how about this statistic

no matter what you eat you are 100% going to die

Prove it faggot

checked.

also, true, but does that mean I have to be shitty to everything else simply because I will die eventually?

Societies are measured by their achievments and how they treat the vulnerable. I want mine to eventually respect the vulnerable and ensure all life is treated fairly.

Thanks to denial, i am immortal.
Also nice 8 outta 8, would r8 again.

I have some sympathy for veganism.

Its main argument is that (advanced) animals feel pain and suffering much like we humans do, and that therefore it's wrong to raise and slaughter them because of the inordinate amount of suffering that this is causing, when there is sustenance to be had that doesn't rely on them being raised.

While I certainly agree that animals like cows and pigs feel pain the way we do, I don't really care. Who are we to moralize the phenomenon of suffering? Doesn't it serve a necessary purpose for life to exist in the first place?

To paraphrase Nietzsche, "Great evil is often necessary to do great good."

You project your feelings all over the place like a fucking woman.

You had me by the balls with superior knowledge and you fucked it up by injecting your stupid, defensive, bitter, low self-esteem garbage.

If you're not a fag you sure project like one.


I appreciate the consistency, I've met people that do all sorts of crazy mental gymnastics to say fetuses aren't human or they're a clump of cells or something.

I'd still eat chicken tho.

It means they have an overall lower chance of dying earlier

No, the act of living is selfish in and of itself.
To live you must consume other life, and all life is sacred. We are all sinners merely by living; every day you live because you have deprived another of life. You put your gain over their gain and as such they die and you survive.

They are shortsighted hypocrites who believe that because animals are more like us than plants they deserve a higher respect. In God's eyes we are all equal and our legacy gives no more call of respect than that of a minnow's or the labors of a thicket.

Either you choose to live in the ultimate cruelty or you die, and the choice people make is the clearest and purest of all truths: it cannot be hidden by any means. Everything else is cosmetic.

>whelp I guess I might as well not care about avoiding cancer and heart disease before then

My reaction depends on the kind of vegan. I think they're stupid in general but it doesn't bother me if they're just doing it for them. The moral superiority is what gets me to varying degrees depending on the extremity of their position.
They refuse to eat a clam or oyster or shrimp because it has 2 nerve cells to rub together and maybe just might have a chance at feeling some kind of pain, but then most of them are pro choice lib tards totally okay with aborting past 5 weeks when a baby already has the start of a nervous system and spinal cord.
Then if they're really extreme they want every single farm in the world shut down regardless of quality of treatment without any kind of forethought about the repercussion of that kind of action. Virtually none of the modern day farm animals bare even a remote resemblance to their species of origin and are the product of extreme genetic mutation over centuries of domestication. Every single cow in the world suddenly being in the wild would wreak havoc on the environment, their populations would have to be controlled with intermittent culling that would leave thousands of animal corpses you might as well use since your literally had to kill them any way and they'd refuse to let people eat them.
That's the most extreme of the extreme though admittedly. They really haven't exercised anything remotely resembling appropriate forethought in the repercussions of their beliefs though.

Oh boy, you mean i get to be a frail old person longer! Sign me up!

> inb4 vid of one 90 year old vegetarian who still works out.

Since you love statistics so much you realize you're statistically not going to be that guy, or that active in your old age.

I dont have anything against vegans who keep it to themselves, but honestly, veganism is just privileged denialism, its just a way for rich people to think they are circumventing the cycle of suffering, even though they still need to kill a shitload of animals to grow the plants they eat and waste shitton of resources to get exotic supplements

As far as I'm concerned if it gives humans (me) utility, I'm down for it.
I do know the animals likely suffer - suffering is everywhere in nature anyway though, and I'd say that many wild animals suffer more than the ones we hold captive. Suffering can of course be minimized, and things like torturing animals for not utility gain are definitely out. But in industry they're not normally made to suffer any more than is necessary.

That's something else. Like half of all food seems to be cancer-causing now according to "experts" and the media.

Just don't snort asbestos, drink cleaning products, or cuddle up to glowing rocks at night and you should be good.

This.

I'm in my early 20's, by the time I am that old medical tech will have advanced so far that people who have lived healthily their whole lives will have the bodies, appearances and minds of 40 or 50 year olds when they are 80 or 90.

By not taking care of yourself now you are shooting yourself in the foot and will miss out on the extended high-quality lives people in the future will have.

The only reason why I'm not having a steak this weekend is because I had one last weekend and I like to vary my diet...just a little.