ITT moments arguments were won

ITT moments arguments were won

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Reminds of me when Maddrox was talking to Scott about villains and Magneto, Emma, and Namor walk in together.

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Nice to see Scott blow himself the fuck out as always.

How can one man be so wrong?

Cyclops is bae and Fury is now permanently black.

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> Wanda was a mutant regardless if she was a Avenger or X-Man.
> You had zero reason to believe Hope could control it.
> No one but Wolverine tried to murder Hope and Cap threw him out a fucking airplane in flight over it.
> No they didn't show up and attack you, they showed up and tried to reason with you and fully explained their inentions, and you got pissy as fuck about old petty shit and eyebeamed Cap off the shoreline.
> You knew a being with the power to kill every living thing on the face of the earth human, mutant alike was heading here, you didn't take Hope off world to minimize risk to the earth, you didn't even go up to a remote mountain top, you sat and intended to wait for it in the middle of San Fransisco fucking Bay putting BILLIONS of lives on the line just to some humans could gain powers you selfish negligent fucking bastard.

sad the guy who work for SHIELD

Shield is inherently heroic motivation wise though. Mutant kind are not.

It gets better. The Phoenix killed 8 solar systems on the way to Earth and it didn't even repower mutants, it created new ones by forcibly mutating humans.

Thats so fucking pretentious its sexy

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This reminds me of my all time favourite panel. The one where Luthor sent Superman a snowglobe and a note saying "why don't you put the whole world in a bottle?'
I think it was from inJustice but I don't know if it was real or an edit

It always makes me laugh at how x-fags try to spin that as them being right. Especially with hope since she apparently needed iron fist bullshit to control the phoenix so their "just put it in her plan" would have failed and killed everyone.

OK what story do I need to read to decide for myself whether or not Cyclops was right?

It was a letter in Superman: Red Son, an elsworlds story where Superman was found by farmers in the Ukraine in the 40s, became the leader of the USSR after Stalin passed, led the world (except the US) to become a true Socialist Utopia (and it was working, though it was also a dictatorship under him). Long story short, Luthor does the right thing (end a global dictatorship) for the wrong reason (his irrational hatred of Superman) while Superman is doing the wrong thing (Institute a global dictatorship) for the right reason (wanting to make the world a better place).

Ends with Luthor becoming ruler of the world and ushering a golden age of science and his distant descendant Jor of House El sends his infant son Kal back in time to before the Earth's sun was red.

I remember that story. Can we agree that the ending was fuckin stupid? With Luthor becoming Jor L?

Yeah, stories like this are proof that Mark Millar really knows how to write, he is just lazy 90% of the time.

Luthor wasn't Jor L. That was like, fifty plus generations of super long lived people down the line.

I though that was cool. You should remember that original idea for Krypton was that they were civilization similar to humanity, but far more evolved than us, that's why Superman is sometimes called "Man of Tomorrow".

It works thematically, this means Superman was sent from the future to usher humanity into a new age of prosperity. It's kinda interesting that despite being relatively dark story, ending so unambiguously optimistic. I wish Millar did that more often.

Cyclops was right hereFury was just being a generalizing prick.

Fury has done so much shady shit and has worked with so many villains that even he knows he full of it.

My gripe is Superman being a descendent of Luthor and LOIS at all. It's interesting in theory but it creates a lot of... skullduggery

Let's put it this way: after fifty some generations of new genes, random mutations and possible genetic manipulations, he'd have less genetic closeness to Lois than Luthor did.

Yeah, fifty generations is like a thousand years.
Entire point of that is that on Future Earth, everyone had these superpowers, so clearly Superman was super genetically distinct from 20th century humans.

I can’t believe Scott didn’t remember when Jean had to train with Spider-Man to properly control the Phoenix.

So what happened to the original Superman?

Lived to the end of Earth/Krypton. Died when the world ended.

He decides to stop being Superman I get. But why not use a little force to persuade the scientists to save Krypton?

he wasn't sure himself if the world was ending.

HoIy Shit...

Yay dumb plot right from the start.
"Why is the Phoenix murdering billions as it shoots a direct path to Earth?"
"So the Avengers want to stop it"

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>it created new ones by forcibly mutating humans.
you mean like how blackbolt knowingly forced hundreds of people all over the globe to turn into inhumans and accidentally poisoned several dozen mutants in the process of trying to preserve his race?

It's funny that the Avengers didn't say anything about that... I mean, yeah, Black Bolt detonated the bomb to try to kill Thanos or something like that, but the fucking cloud was harmful and the Avengers didn't care.

>Fury is dead
>Scott is dead
Why is Marvel killing my favorite characters?

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Also wasn't the original ending different. Like I thought in an interview or afterwords he mentioned having coffee with some other big name superman writer and they joked about the idea then thought "actually that's pretty cool"

Technically he's just trapped on the moon.

Fury isn't dead.

We haven't seen him for like 4 years now

Silly user, you have such great characters like America Chaves and Captain Marvel, why do you need this silly white males for?

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>at last I am still white, Fury
Nick BTFO

Why didn't the Avengers have a problem with this?

>when was the last time you watched the simpsons

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if every one of you neanderthals who thought that just posting a screenshot from an epic meme was the same as actually making a joke jumped off a skyscraper the world would be a substantially brighter place

What the fuck is her point, that cap doesn't waste his time for dumb shit?
Is there more to it?

>How's miss Frost?
>Her ass is great
See, this is how you do it Scott.

Sneed?

Basically it's "get with the times, old man".

>Well Sally, I made it, despite your irrelevant directions.
>Ah, Captain America, welcome. I hope you're ready for an unforgettable lesson in modern American culture!
>Myeah

He was in the unworthy Thor comic

So... why is Batman killing a dude?

Not harmful to humans that is within their field of vision.

He has nine lives, so killing him will immediately heal him at the cost of a life

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Is Logan standing on the box? He is 5''3 and Scott is 6'1.

>myspace

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>eventually the bodies would pile up high enough that jumping off would no longer hurt

Relevant why?
> You had zero reason to believe Hope could control it
His time traveler son came from the future specifically to tell him that Hope needed to get the Phoenix and that if the Avengers got their way the world would end. It wasn't even slightly ambiguous. Do you even read comics?

Yes. It was Morrison's idea

New York?

>Especially with hope since she apparently needed iron fist bullshit

Weird. Neither Scott's wife nor daughter needed any of that bullshit.

>"Why is the Phoenix murdering billions as it shoots a direct path to Earth?"

The phoenix kills planets that are stagnant. ie ones that don't have mutants. There's a whole cosmic order that relies on there being mutants on earth in order to stave off extinction. From celestials on down.

Face it. That's just another reason Cyclops was right. The universe demands that mutants survive.

Hell, there's an argument to be made that the only reason that bird keeps giving Earth's mutants (and through them the entire earth) second chances is because it really likes Scott Summers.

>You betrayed the white race, Nick
What the fuck Scott?

relevant

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>Mark Millar really knows how to write
up Grant Morrison's story ideas into a usable/workable comic book script

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At the end of the day, it was a shitty event full of horrible contrivances and contradictions to make the shit plot work.
Cyclops is Right in that context was always more of a backlash to Marvel's insistence on implying he was morally compromised or villainous.
They omit that either because they don't really have an actual idea of scale, they want Wolverine to be more conventional, or they genuinely aren't aware of how short he truly is.
>Rachel is just Phoenix playing out its daddyplay fetish the only way it knows how

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Why cant comic writers create conflict without making everyone act like retards for no reason.

Because if you're doing cape comics you probably aren't a very good writer in the first place and that's without having to deal with corporate deciding they need a big event right now!

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All of those things except killing people who don't recycle actually happen though

>actual factual slippery slope

The only reason to have a gun is if someone else has a gun. That is literally and objectively true. It also doesn't matter in the real world, because there's literally no possible way to get rid of all the guns.

Don't pretend like it's the same fucking thing as smoking cigarettes or driving, though.

For fucks sake Sup Forums you don't need to post that fucking picture every time the Simpsons is mentioned. If you want to do it try and find a way to actually tie it into the thread somehow.

Wow, it’s ridiculously cringeworthy to see someone judge others for not being as consumerist as they are.

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Slippery slope arguments are almost always completely dumb.

"If we kill mass murderers like the Joker the next thing you know we'll be killing jaywalkers."

Wait, what?

What really bugs me about the argument
>muh we should get rid of all guns
is how it completely overlooks the violent and savage nature of our species. We not some evolved and enlightened race who, once all forms of weaponry are removed, will somehow ascend to a level of peace and understanding. We'll still kill each other, we'll still make war, we'll still commit atrocities, we'll just find new ways to do it. I get that it's about trying to do what you can to save lives but at the end of the day you can't change human nature. If there's a guy in front of you that you absolutely positively definitely have to kill right now but somebody taken all the guns in the world away, you'd just use a stick or something. What then, ban all trees?

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Wait, why wouldn't it be a good idea to eliminate tobacco? Taking away all guns and tobacco would save a hojillion lives.

Recycling's kind of a pointless topic though. WHy in the fuck are they mining on DC earth when Superman can just bring back all the metals we'd ever need from space in like thirty minutes?

Also, why aren't superheros in these universes doing more to terrformr our neighboring planets? Dudes should be dropping ice comets on Mars like 24/7 and planting trees and shit.

>We'll still kill each other, we'll still make war, we'll still commit atrocities, we'll just find new ways to do it

War is one thing, but since asshole can't help walking into schools every few months and killing dozens of defenseless children we've proven that as a nation that we can't be trusted with the things.

Asshole can walk up and murder em with knives too. Should we ban em like Britain.

I repeat, they'd just find new ways to do it. Fire, toxic chemicals, corrosive gasses, explosives, dozens of different ways. You can take away the means as much as you'd like but you can never stop the fact that there's always going to be someone out there who wants to commit the act.

It's about scale, with a semi-automatic gun any repressed teenager with a chip on his should can take 20 of his class mates down with him.
Give him a switch-knife and he'll maybe get a couple before he gets his ass beat into a dirt an adult or a kid that's bigger than him. Give him a stick and he won't get any at all.

He was kind of old and senile at that point, never found out the truth about his origin either.

>implying knives couldn't kill in the same scale
user a man who's sick in the head will still try and murder people and chances still achieve his goals of mass death.

Ironically true.

Those still require more effort than just buying a gun.
You can more easily deal with someone with a knife than someone with a gun.

Someone larger, stronger and faster than you having a knife is a pretty good reason to have a gun, actually.

Never underestimate the human capacity for savage brutality. One motivated person with a stick can do a lot of damage.

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>We created a world where no child ever loses their parents to some punk with a gun!

>Asshole can walk up and murder em with knives too.

lol, I'm sure there's been a guy who could stab over 500 people from a hotel window too.

>I repeat, they'd just find new ways to do it.

As opposed to now where they can walk into walmart and walk out with the means to do it in about ten minutes?

>One motivated person with a stick can do a lot of damage.

Can they kill and maim hundreds in a few minutes like one asshole with a gun did in Las Vegas? Must be one hell of a stick.

no you can't. you think you can. Thats why you can spout that kind of talk.
It makes sense logically but if you take time and think it through you'll realize its the exact same problem.
Thats why Britain is banning knives now because the number of people dying from it is going up.
As soon as they banned that, people started using acid. The human race can be particular savage when they want someone dead.

Someone stronger than me appears. What then? The gun, knife, brick, rock, etc. is there for those times

Well, to tie it back into the speeding thing, Australia gets touted for having tough gun laws that stopped all mass shootings, but we've had a spate of incidents recently where random crazies ran down dozens of people in crowded areas with their cars.

If somebody wants to kill someone, they find a way to make it happen. Bashing them over the head with a rock works well.

yeah okay buddy keep telling yourself that
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Also please note that china has strict gun control laws. See how effective that was in stopping homicidal crazy people.
> can walk into walmart
and just like that i realized you don't know anything about guns.

>What then?

You run away. Jesus. The problem is you can't outrun a bullet. "Oh no, what if some madman shows up to a school with a knife!" You know what stops a dude with the sharpest rock or the longest stick?

a closed door.

Doors can't stop a dickhead with a gun though.