Women are NOT human continued not same op

It appears clear to me that there are several of you that frequent this board that despite your claims of being "redpilled" on women, you don't have the slightest idea about what the real female redpill is. I will break it down for you as simply as I can to save space and avoid creating a wall of text.

Women are not human, that's first and foremost. If you like defending women's rights and claim that women are just as capable as men feel free to do so, just know that you are very wrong. Philosophically, the most distinctly human characteristic is restraint over primal desires. Arguably men that masturbate twelve times a day and are addicted to porn are not human because they have no restraint over their primal desires; however these are far and in-between compared to the majority of underage girls that have already lost their virginity to primal lust within their first 15 years of life. As soon as these hormones kick in, they give in and spread their legs. This isn't to say all women are like this, there are some who do show restraint, yet again though those are far and in between compared to the latter.

It has also been discussed by several theorists that the Human developed this way due to nutrition, early humans discovered nutrient rich food and thus their brains grew and more advanced thinking was possible. What is slightly overlooked is that, throughout mankind's history, the female has remained largely inactive in roles outside of gathering and tending to children. The males were the ones that hunted, traveled, and ate first since they were the ones that did almost everything. So it is assumed that because males ate more, and higher quality food, their brains were allowed to develop faster compared to their female counterparts. Males became Human, females lagged behind and are apparently still in this pre-humanity stage where they are semi functioning yet still driven by primal desires, showing little to no restraint sexually.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_philosophers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_philosophy
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Bumping:
My take:
After dwelling on the problem of the nature of woman I have come to the conclusion that the thing that separates men from women is the latter lacking consciousness.
>"How can this be? Every woman I know is aware of herself and others"
Not in the sense that I mean. Women lack a mind state which is self aware. They have cognition, they can read, communicate, experience emotion, but their minds have no grasp of their own existence.
Imagine driving a car or playing an instrument, you can do quite complicated things without being conscious, infact you may do better when you are not consciously thinking about the task, I claim this is what women experience 100% of the time. They lack that instant when you jolt back to reality and grasp where you are.
Now of course they have the concept of consciousness, they have the ability to grasp language, but what they think men mean by "consciousness" is an experience quite different, they probably think it means a simply emotional state.
What evidence do I have? Philosophy and Art. No woman has ever been troubled by existence like Descartes or say Camus, just as no woman has produced art like Michelangelo. Women can imitate, but because they lack a sense of true aesthetics they are limited.
Anyone care to explain why I am wrong?

Despite all that you say underestimating women is wrong, they have a high social intelligence, that's why they're so good in manipulating. Ignoring this is childish.

It is because of that high social intelligence low self awareness that they are dangerous and thus unfit for political power.

ITT:
>I am a beta virgin and all the other males beat me to sex
>all women are sluts
Nice post faggot

No some women are pretty good, doesn't make them equal to men.

Read what I said you fucking dyke

>not same op

Fuck off Americuck keep sucking up to women. I bet you love it when women and minorities dominate you.

What are you talking about? They have pretty damn high self-awareness, they are just very selfish most of the times and that's why they don't respect others.

>A fucking leaf

Women have no conciousness, they are like automatons, biological machines very efficient at exploiting social situations but lacking a true grasp of their existence and thus their actions.

How do you distinguish between conscious and unconscious being? Right now I see nothing but a word play in that idea.

>far and in-between

I agree with what you're saying but it should be "women are not people". They're members of the human species, they just aren't people. They are objects made by men to be owned and used by men.

SHART IN MART

A concious entity is one with mental states that are self referential in a way. They can grasp their own existence they have a notion of being integrated into their cognition.
There is something it is like to be a concious mind.

that's dumb. women are higher on the evolutionary chain. they understand all that shit on an instinctual level, where men have to conceptualize it. stop coming up with excuses for why women and men act the way they act. they act the way they act because they like to act that way.

No one gave a shit the first time you fucking spastic

Why have women never produced a Mozart, Newton or Da Vinci?

Kek yes, they are "more evolved"

The truth is women are given to histrionics because of the movement of the womb. Many Greek philosophers went into detail about this

The food theory does not make sense because of biology itself. If males did develop larger or "more conscious" brains, they would pass on this adaptation to their children, regardless of being male or female.

Because they weren't fucking let to you mongoloid.

like i said...

my sister is, but that is because i raised her.
she loves peps, hates muslims and laughs at snowflakes. she also has her own opinions which i encourage. for sure we don't agree on everything.

people shelter women, for what reason i dont know why.

a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

also you blame women but men are the ones who let shit slide just so they can get laid once every 2 years. blaming women for your failures is literal cuck behavior. women only respond to strength, therefore women are stronger than most of you.

I agree that rarely do the girls talk about their life as a whole, in a self-referential way. But I can say the same about most people who simply don't trust others. At the same time females among my relatives talk to me in this way. It's more like they won't just show you their cards.

I'm not the guy who wrote all of that.

concious, fuck I spell like a woman

Then I don't see a valid reason for you to argue this. Anecdotal evidence does not make a case.

You strike me as a man not currently participating in education, training or employment. Perhaps this explains your propensity to blame others and your uneven handle on common English idioms.

go outside you loser faggot.

So you get the sense that women are concious because you speak to them about the concept?
I would claim that is possible simply as a result of the cognitive grasp of language.

I'm not arguing it.

i just copied the thread so that people would know what it was.

lol what horseshit

women have been allowed to and even encouraged to sing and play musical instruments on an almost universal basis throughout all recorded and most likely unrecorded history

yet their composition skills remain blah. they're routinely outperformed by autistic males with no formal musical training

Agreed. Ops super crimge worthy. Grasping at straws

Women are physically weaker. Women has LESS common sense. But they still have common sense.

And the physical difs. Thats about it

>being this retarded yet self-assured

Imagine if you will a feminist society controlled entirely by women. Men are regulated to husbands and sex toys.
In this world the autistic males who were married to tumblr female types would sit at home bored to death, even if threatened by the powers that be, they probably would turn to thinking about science, philosophy and creating art in secret. Yet in our world, few women did the same, why?

Who LET mozart be a musical genius?

Who LET Newton invent calculus?

Who LET Da Vinci paint the mona lisa?

If they could've they would've.

Which part?
My point is that they're not wordy about their life as a whole because they don't want to reveal it to others. Talking about your real motives brings a more close contact but it also makes you more vulnerable to others.

Since females are selfish they don't crave for a close contact with others and of course they don't want to be vulnerable.
(But my relatives are already in a close contact with me since childhood so they have no choice)

You strike me as a "man" who has been "struck" in his ass quite a few times.

None of this shows women have the same higher faculties as man let alone consciousness.

I'm not the real op, i just copied what he said to keep the thread going

pic related. it is you.

High level social functioning is impossible without self awareness. It's precisely because autistic people have no self awareness that they suck at socializing.

To begin with, self awareness is a byproduct of empathy, when your own mirror neurons turn inward and one empathizes with oneself, that is self reflection. To claim that women aren't self aware is the same as claiming that they lack empathy, and that their ability to socialize is entirely a result of an intellectual understanding of social behavior, much like an alien that learns how to pretend to be human. This is far from being true, women socialize by feeling, not by using their intellect(which is why they make poor politicians)

you are not the op but you have the same id. how has your first day been? not good i take it.

As well as nothing shows me they lack it.

because men have to conceptualize their feelings, and that leads naturally to the act of creation. men live their thoughts with their actions, so the more creatively inclined men will obviously turn toward artistic representations of their feelings. since all men share the common father we have a common bond of mutual understanding. we are brothers in our communications.

women don't conceptualize. neither do they hunt. they have inherent value in and of themselves. this is an irreversible fact of biology. a woman will always gain attention in the company of men. therefore, their talents must necessarily lie in the direction of interpersonal communication. firmly in the physical realm. that doesn't mean they are unaware of these abstract concepts, or their meaning. they just don't have to worry about those as much because they more likely have to deal with people on a social level. women are not as creative as men, but your average woman has more social intelligence than the vast majority of men.

>women
>white

Jesus Christ

I don't agree Israeli bro
I am claiming women lack consciousness, not that they experience emotions. Yes they can feel for others, but notice how this is usually because the other represents the woman in some form. Women cannot grasp the suffering of other minds because they cannot grasp their own minds, they simply project emotions onto others, not higher mental states.

i dont get it

Don't experience emotions

>hehasnt read James Joyce

Absolutely, women ARE NOT human. They're the intermediate between animals and human. This was common knowledge before that in the kingdom of life, women were slightly above other animals but below men.

I'm not surprised

>they act the way they act because they like to act that way.
Why do they like to act that way?

As a nihilist, I must ask the question: Even if this IS true, DOES IT REALLY MATTER? Birds fly, the sun rises and sets, people are born, live, work, eat sleep, fuck, and die. Even if women do not have consciousness, as you claim, as does that in the slightest amount affect how you and all the billions of other men on this planet interact with women everyday in this meaningless existence?

Yes, I don't think we should entrust minds which lack consciousness with the ability to govern in any way. Would you trust your car to drive itself?

yea, i wasn't in that thread.

if you were trying to make a different point you failed.

show tits or fuck off

What Israeli bro has said is very close to how scientists define consciousness.

My guess throughout the thread is that they're selfish. They don't care about the society as a whole. This could be explainable both historically and evolutionary (men needed to work together and cooperate throughout the history). At least that explains to me most of what they do.

The Italian government, the Royal Society of London, and various wealthy benefactors, respectively.

None were available to women of their day.

Bitter virgin upset that people have sex.

You won't find a virgin unless you are looking for ultra religious women.

Shut the fuck up.

gtfo hadji pedo

You're having a real difficult time here aren't you pal

who knows? doesn't matter. their gonna do it. best thing to do in my estimation is to smoke heavily, drink heavily, work hard at a manual labor job, and hope that death comes easily in a life of long, lonely hours of prayer.

Some scientists perhaps but not all. Women lack the capacity for introspection, they just do things, they can play language games to make it seem like they have consciousness but don't let that trick you up.
If women were conscious and intellectually almost the same as men why have they never contributed to philosophy (a discipline very much involved with the nature of consciousness) orcomposed art like Mozart or davinci, I claim these things require consciousness, something women lack, explaining the gap in results.

Of course I wouldn't. However, there is a vast difference between something that is just a piece of metal, plastic, and fiber that only responds to external forces, and something that that is living, breathing, and exhibiting all the signs of sentience. Also, there's the problem that the vast majority of men couldn't govern over their fellow man either.

Hahaha you are clearly "more evolved".

I'm afraid the truth isn't as clean as "women aren't conscious of their actions."

Of course they are.
The sad truth is that women are far weaker than we give them credit. They're slaves to their emotions and desires, and how they feel society views them.

Because of this, very very very few women ever do or excel at anything, because failing is a fate worse than death. It's the reason they don't ask men out, the reason they don't apply themselves to what they love to do..

It's also why a strong person can lead them anywhere and make them do anything.. Weak people need to feel the strength of others to feel safe. -- When they're denied that, they attach themselves to the first ideology they see and draw upon it's strength.

Women who fight the fear all men face are freaks of nature, and worthy of respect.

Women may have more in common with a table or piece of metal than you think.

I know you meant that they aren't conscious, but being empathetic and being self aware go hand in hand.

Empathy governs more than just feeling emotions, it also has to do with conceptualization of other people. When you empathize with someone, your mirror neurons imitate how you perceive them to be, when you see someone sad a part of you imitates their sadness, when you see someone do something disgusting, you feel disgust yourself, and so on. The only reason you experience these emotions is because you also have a mental concept of that person, and you're able to assume their point of view. For example, psychopaths lack empathy, and they can't conceptualize other people, which lets them hurt them without feeling guilt, but they also can't conceptualize themselves, which is what makes them fearless and impulsive, they're unable to imagine themselves in a dangerous situation, at least not on an reflective level, they might avoid getting bitten by a dog by instinct.

why are you projecting so much? whoever triggered you in that thread, i am not that person. i wish me i was though.

james joyce was as inefficient as ayn rand and exactly as single minded

finnegans wake and ulysses were pretty much the same damn book. yeah yeah yeah the whole of human history and development is recapitulated in the mundane microcosmic activities of day to day holy FUCK I figured out what you were trying to say three hundred pages ago yet STILL you drone on and on and on jesus FUCK

ok now you're obvs using multilingual puns to reinforce the premise good job protochomsky OH WAIT universal grammar has been proven to be horseshit when will this book end OH GOD END END END

I appreciated Ulysses. I resented Finnegan's Wake. Finnegan's Wake was to Ulysses as Fizcarraldo was to Aguirre, The Wrath of God

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_philosophers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_philosophy

Where's your basis for saying this? You have the burden of proof, but have provided none. Anecdotes and opinions aren't data

You are very confused, eventually it's going to dawn on you

Science of mirror neurones is still up in the air. But you make some reasonable points.
I claim women may have a sense of self but this does not amount to a full theory of mind. They may feel emotions but they can't introspect about feelings.

These guys produced bc they just wanted to get pussy

no. but some of you are and you've failed so far. we're all waiting to see if you fail again. maybe you do, maybe you don't. I'm not in control of these things. as far as me, i am most likely a biological throwback in a brave new world. myself a more primitive creature than those who will almost surely replace me. my own consolation is that based on the overwhelming majority of people who discuss this topic, the problem actually isn't destiny, but choice. so if I should go to my grave alone, it will at least have been by choice, and no man could ever say I was forced to do it.

What exactly do you hope to accomplish with these posts?

This has to be one of the cringiest and most pathetic things I've seen on this board in a long time.

>list of women philosophers
Philosophy would be exactly the same if every name on this list never existed

I believe the data is the history of women's achievement in endeavours that require consciousness. I claim the lack of achievement can't be simply explained by a lack of cognitive ability in the sense of iq.

montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans

You were forced to do it.

Nihilism is the purist form of degeneracy. If you subscribe to that kind of rationale, then you can come to some very scary conclusions

1. Since nothing has any meaning, life has no meaning
2. If everything that lives will eventually die, then why bother living? To live is to struggle against the unwinnable foe that is death. This is the cruelest form of torture.
3. If life is torture, then it would be better to eradicate it, as letting something suffer is objectively worse than putting it out of its misery.

If you have any sense of morality (which you do since you are conscious) then this is the only way that line of thinking will go.

If they are not human than are they lizard people?

I didn't know we could reproduce with a different species.

than it was no fault of mine and i gladly accepted the role thrust upon me, and let everyone say I never once lifted a finger in futile struggle against it, nor had any particular hatred of those who would serve different roles.

UPVOTING FOR THE MGTWO REVOLUTION

TO THE FRONT PAAAAAAAAAGE!

How would you explain behaviors such as lying and manipulating, which requires one to have a theory of mind? One would have to be extremely intelligent in order to deceive another person without being able to understand how they think, what they know or don't know, and so on. In that respect empathy is a valuable asset that, if women lacked, they would have none of the social power that they do today.

I personally think women suck at philosophy because their attention is dominated by more base desires, you need to have a certain detachment from and aloofness towards the material world in order to have time to ponder about the meaning of life, Camus wouldn't write what he did if he wasn't was depressed as fuck and wanted to kill himself.

Low-effort post. Male and female brains can be different in the same way their bodies can be different. Certain characteristics are passed down when they are beneficial. Large and complex brains would be very beneficial to the man, so he would expend the extra calories to develop it. Woman didn't need it as desperately so it wasn't worth the extra calories.

Wrong

Women are always unconscious, which is one of the reason why they can be totally greedy and selfish without any regret and they also charge their sex partners within seconds, without even giving the previous relationship any thought and then they would actually spin it around and blame it on man.

To add: there is probably something it is like to be a woman, unlike to be a table, but this sense of self is not a full consciousness. It does not grasp that it is thinking nor is it able to experience all qualia. It has emotional qualia but lacks the ability to introspect about and connect these experiences. It lacks temporal continuity of experience, if that makes sense.

Of course this is only speculation, I am not a female.
Women don't need to grasp the existence of other minds, they can't introspect so why would they need a full theory of mind to explain behaviour? The motivation is probably purely subconscious, just like when you find yourself clutching something you didn't realise you picked up then crafting an explanation for why. I think women lack that moment of clarity that is consciousness. They travel through life on zombie mode, but are still cognitively capable.

it's all an accident of evolution and pretty much part and parcel of the whole sexual dimorphism/X chromosomes be different than Y chromosomes experience

both sexes are human. it's just that males have higher highs and lower lows and the Y chromosome itself is just as unstable, while females are doomed to be average in all things and nothing short of directly fucking with the X chromosome can change this

Sauce bro

>why would they need a full theory of mind to explain behaviour?
Because otherwise successfully telling a lie would be very difficult. Perhaps the most obvious difference in intelligence between humans and other animals is that we can deceive them and they can't deceive us. Even the most "intuitive" animals can be easily tricked and captured by a 7 year old boy. If women are unable to grasp the existence of other minds, then lying and manipulating should be impossible for them, since it's much too complicated to be done on instinct, yet women are clearly adept at lying and manipulating, perhaps more so than men. (or at least more willing.)

Like I said, think about motivation as coming from the subconscious. Women don't think "I must now lie in order to achieve so and so" (they may claim to but I believe they are mistaken). She simply acts on a command from her subconscious without question, she experiences the "urge to lie" . She can deceive without being aware of what she is doing, just as you can drive a car without being fully conscious of tour actions, the difference is you eventually have a snap back to self awareness.

I don't think I can lie in the same way I drive a car, it's too complex to be done on autopilot. Rather than relying on muscle memory you have to consider the particular circumstances of the situation or else you won't know what to say. I'm not a pathological liar though, maybe I just need more (((practice))).

You are not a woman of course you find the concept strange.
I claim consciousness is so subtle that we have gone millennia without noticing many humans lack it.
I tested this on some of my "friends" who happen to be girls. The more you push them to discuss the philosophy of consciousness and the nature of being the more they shut down. I don't think it is just a lack of intellect.

I consider nihilism and hedonism the two things that will utterly corrupt a person. These two things cause a society to decay and people to submit to cruel and base desires. Why Saudi princes are such assholes.

Squirrels lie all the time on instinct. They fake hiding nuts so that they can hide them elsewhere without getting caught by thieves.

What is going on in this thread?

Did you guys know that it's a sign of psychosis if you think that some people are collectively against you?

In general women are way more emphatic and in touch with their feelings. It's a widely known fact that the primary feelings for the male gender are being horny, hungry and angry.