How did we go from that to this?

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obama

>nsa spying
>no habeas corpus (you are probably to stupid to know what this is)

like most dogs, obama barks a lot, and 0 bites.

also SAGED

also trumps answer is the best anyone could ever say, sums it all up in a simple phrase

saged again

If obama barks a lot, I wonder what that makes Trump. Has he drained the swamp after all that talk about it?

Looks like a win from Trump's perspective.

Obama, promising tons and delivering little.
Trump,.promising only to keep Hillary out if the White House... and accomplishing it

Leadership is all about setting attainable. Trump has already proven to be a great leader and we still have a while before he takes his rightful place as POTUS

shitpost

saged

kys op

Obama sure had a lot of goals... None of which he achieved.

proxy or ticofag

I hope someone compiles the full list of all of obama's campaign promises someday. It's kind of insane how far he fell short of all of it.

Wasted, thanks for nothing once again, fucking leaf.

>Has he drained the swamp after all that talk about it?
Is he even in office yet, fuckwit leaf?

Trump promised to drain the swamp.

Then why has he filled it even more? His cabinet is terrible

>Secretary of Education: Michelle Rhee (Owner of a multi-billion dollar Charter school lobbying group)

>Secretary of Agriculture: Forrest Lucas (Billionaire owner of the company Lucas Oil)

>Secretary of Energy: Harold Hamm (Billionaire Oil Tycoon)

>Secretary of Homeland Security: Michael McCaul (Texas Congressman and the 2nd Richest U.S Politician before Trump with $300 million dollars

>Secretary of the Treasury: Steven Mnuchin (Worked for Goldman Sachs)

>Secretary of Commerce: Peter Thiel (Billionaire Trump donor)

>Director of the Environmental Protection Agency: Myron Ebell (Lobbyist for Climate Change Deniers)

Can someone redpill me how this is a swamp draining?

epic get fuck u guys

at least Trump kept his promise

Obama's questions were all planted

Surprise surprise, Obama made a name for himself with his ability to communicate in such a way where it looks like he says a lot, but in fact says absolutely nothing.

Trump just says absolutely nothing but at least it's funny.

Looks like Trump fulfilled his promise

It's hard for US presidents, though. They don't lead the party and they don't always control the legislature. It's why the Westminster system is superior. The party leader "becomes" the PM (I say "becomes" because PM is not a real position, it's just a name) and the lower house of the legislature is always controlled by the majority party.

>Trump puts people in his cabinet which he likes and trusts.

Fucking just crucify the man already. America and by extension the entire western world is not a technocracy.

estoy apunto de ir a la nacion y volar bala, jajaj es jodiendo seria contraproducente, pero dan ganas.

>Lol, they have lots of money == EVIL
>Only poor people can be morally just

You might just be retarded. I would avoid trying to hold opinions on things until you can sort out your thought processes

And it worked. All those millions of soros dollars could not defeat the god emperor.

:D

That's why I will remember Obama not as a terrible president, but a weak one.

Even in a parliamentary system you need broad support to pass key pieces of legislation. Obama's job was harder, but he was unusually bad at getting the Republicans to work with him.

guess which one of them delivered on his promise.

Nice try leaf none of these picks are even confirmed yet. sage.

He isn't in office yet, how the fuck you know what his achievements will be by the end of 2020? He sure as hell beat hillary just as he said he would, so that's already 1 step closer to his goal than Obama ever got.

Get raked, fucker

plz be my ai gf

>obamas answer
>more regulations

>trumps answer
>the people should decide

they definitely stay true to their parties principles.

ideally you would want trumps idea, realistically we would have to do obamas but that didn't work either.

cold civil war soon m8s.

tranquilo mae

>whole campaign about defying establishment and elites

>cabinet picks consist of establishment and elites.

Ffs, he just met with Mitt Romney about Romney being Secretary of State.

Go read the failing new york time's shortlist of all his picks.
>nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html

Does anyone feel duped?

Only you.

And the biggest smack in the face of all - the entire argument "money in politics!? Boo hoo hoo!" was totally overturned when Hillary supporters pumped money by the fistful into her campaign while Trump smashed her fat ass for a fraction of the cost.

Liberals love the "money in politics" argument because to the idiot public, money = republicans, despite the fact that in reality, money = democrat shills.

>2nd richest
>300 mil

Clinton have over 500 mil tied up in their dodgy ass foundation

>not as a terrible president, but a weak one

He was a terrible president. He was a good orator and a community motivator, he could get the people excited and on board with almost anything. But his actual ideas were fucking dog shit.

However, I still by extension agree he was really weak as well. My family was absolutely livid that Trump won and the conversation with almost everyone went like this

>Why don't you like Trump?
>>He's (insert buzzword)
>Hillary is also (buzzword)
>>I don't like Hillary, why can't we just have more Obama?
>Name one significant achievement of the Obama administration

And the list goes

>>Gay Marriage
Unconstitutional and will be undone.

>>Obamacare
Failing and will be undone.

>>Killed Osama Bin Laden
Which achieved literally nothing.

He will go down as the first black president in history because he has literally no achievements to his name, the only thing to distinguish him from the rest is his skin colour.

Nope, not at all.

You keep calling them untrustworthy but make no effort to define why they're untrustworthy.
Being rich doesn't make you a bad person. We elected a rich person with overwhelming numbers to circumvent clear rigging and now you're acting like we should be surprised that he's picking rich colleagues to help run a nation.

We know who we elected. Seems you're still having trouble with it

>literally nothing

Its CurrentYear and you still don't know how to google? pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

You fucking retarded friend? Where did I say anything about them being untrustworthy?

>overwhelming numbers
>1.5mill behind in popular vote

>Gay Marriage
>Unconstitutional and will be undone
u wot

Ok but the cabinet that Democrats appoint are all establishment crooks. Understood.

>The goal of the election is to get above 270 EV
>Trump targets states with low pop, but high EV importance and wins

>B-but he didn't win the popular vote

Holy shit, I don't even have to make an argument. You guys just blow yourselves right the fuck out

I have some bad news for you, if you think trump is anti-nsa spying.

Marriage is underneath the jurisdiction of the State, not the Fed.

Barack obama wanted to keep money out of politics, and then Hillary Clinton ran for president...

I was just responding to your claim about overwhelming numbers. I am familiar with the retarded american EC.

Leafs, when will you learn that people are legitimately starting to hate you? You know how when people first come here they think the racism is just a joke and just an ebin meme? By the time they realize it isn't a meme it's already too late.

You leafs, everyone will soonunironicaly and legitimately hate you. Real hate. National hate. From the greatest country onesrt that is your neighbor, and we hate you more than any other. Even more than all the other countries we fought in wars. We will hate Leafland the most. And while it is building and growing, you will keep fanning the flames because leafs are retarded. It won't be until it is too late that you realize the truth about yourself, your country, and the people in the world around you. Day of the rake is coming. We hate you, leaf

True. I believe that's amendment 10. But I don't know how much you'd believe his interview on 60 minutes but he said it was matter already settled by the Supreme Court and didn't feel like challenging it

>obama accomplishments
>Signed a bunch of documents to keep politicians happy
>Signed more documents that he got told are good
>Spent a shit ton of money on retarded initiatives without any forethought.

Yeah mate, real accomplished. Really makes you think. Really had a solid impact on the culture and economic state of the American people that will be remembered throughout the ages.

He's just weak then.

Have I just been memed.

>Elects a pretty boy who sells his people up the river for feel good politics
>Acts like an authority on good election practices

Thank God we're not Canada

Think about it this way. The Supreme Court declared that banning same sex marriage at the state level is unconstitutional. It's law now. The work needed to overturn that wouldn't be worth the hassle.

Trumps post git 5 stars, so its better

>not worth the hassle

Nothing worth doing is easy.

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He seems to be doing all right so far.
Better than harper.

Words are cheap; actions are what counts.

>Trump says he'll appoint industry and business experts instead of politicians.
>Trump appoints industry and business experts.
>Faggots cry.

He's doing God's work, lads.

>obama
>lots of fancy talk, no action
>trump
>to the point, kept his promise


Sounds about right.

Lol wait till he throws millions of refugees in your country and you have no jobs and shitty wages, have fun with that one.

Now it's impossible to do with the USA, canada will be the go to to just throw as many sand niggers as possible so they eventually have no choice other than to go to america.

stay mad ahmed

>obama talks the talk about campaign finance reform
>spends 43 million dollarydoos on personal vacations
>campaigns for hillary clinton

>bernie socialist sanders talks the talk about campaign finance reform
>DNC decides hillary is the nominee
>no refunds.jpg
>vote for hillary clinton, this is not the time to make a statement goys!
>buys a 3rd lakehouse

>Trump says Fuck Soros Drain the Swamp MAGA
>actually is doing it and isn't even fucking president yet

>It's okay that our gold reserves are non-existent, if we die of famine, disease and fall into civil war in a time of economic depression, we win.

how is he doing it already? what has he actually done?

>what has he actually done?
spanked the RNCs penis hard enough to get the republican majority congress on a leash

has obama and the MSM cucked hard. Obama because he doesn't want to be indicted along with hillary and the mainstream media because they want to salvage any shred of credibility and impartiality with the normies and realize riots are actually bad for business and their owners stock holdings.

has a supreme court shortlist which will save america, which will be confirmed by aforementioned cuckservative majority who are afraid of that midterm election sword of damocles that will fall on anyone who opposes the godemperor.

You don't understand how the US Supreme Court functions. If the Supreme Court determines something the only way to change that determination is another Supreme Court ruling or a constitutional amendment. Both would be yuge deals.

I know how SCTOUS functions. And Obongo, if he truly cared about the US constitution, would have fought tooth and nail to get it overturned and let the States decide.

And another Supreme court ruling is not a big deal. They do it all the fucking time.

>Obongo, if he truly cared about the US constitution, would have fought tooth and nail to get it overturned
How? Nothing can overturn a Supreme Court decision except the Supreme Court on a matter of constitutional law. How is he going to get the same court to overturn its own decision?

List a single thing that he could do. He'd have to murder one of the judges and replace them, or pass a constitutional amendment which isn't even under his authority, that would be for the legislature, which was under Republican control.

Holy fuck you're delusional.

you aren't that smart are you?
>supreme court ruling exists on gay marriage
>alabama passes a law that says religious institutions do not have to marry people they don't want to
which is how it should be, go to the clerk of courts and get your marriage license and have your ordained minister in a gimp suit perform your ceremony
>ACLU or some other fucking faggots sue
>goes through district courts to circuit courts to the supreme court
>decision (if case is heard, similar ones rarely are within the same decade) either reaffirms previous ruling or replaces it

>be my ai gf
You're making us look worse than we already do

>Australia calling Canada out for shitposting
Bow your heads, folks, shitposting has a new king

>>decision (if case is heard, similar ones rarely are within the same decade) either reaffirms previous ruling or replaces it
Again, how is a decision on the same subject made by the same court going to turn out differently you stupid fuck? Obama can't just remove judges and appoint new ones until he gets the decision he likes.

>Again, how is a decision on the same subject made by the same court going to turn out differently you stupid fuck?

This just in: The courts and judges never overturn their own rulings or rules against legislation and all law is 100% final and set in stone forever.

>i am a huge faggot please rape my face
Whether or not the judges change their ruling is entirely outside of Obama's control, so even if they did change their ruling it would have L I T E R A L L Y nothing to do with Obama unless he acted completely illegally and unethically to influence a Supreme Court decision.

But the judges wouldn't change their ruling and you'd know that if you read their fucking judgement instead of spouting stupid bullshit. You'd need to flip a judge, and when you actually understand why they voted the way that they did you'll know why that's so unlikely.

I did a whole assignment on this exact decision for my foreign law studies as part of my own law degree (I want to be a constitutional lawyer in Australia).

> politispeak
> vs.
> cognitive ease
Me like where this is going.

>political and social pressure does not exist and judges are inhuman technocrats

>how is a decision on the same subject made by the same court going to turn out differently you stupid fuck?

because trump is going to appoint 1-3 supreme court justices in the next 4-8 years you stupid fuck

>political and social pressure does not exist and judges are inhuman technocrats
"Obama should have changed the entirety of society in the hopes of exerting enough social pressure on these aging, conservative old people in the last 2 years of his presidency to overturn a single ruling he didn't like, in complete violation of his role as president, because I say so."
Stop posting.

Read the fucking thread you fucking moron, and don't ever reply to my posts again.

>bu...bu...bu... obama
no one but a retard like you is talking about obama here, you just don't know how the US court system works shitcunt.

>no one but a retard like you is talking about obama here
see: "Obongo, if he truly cared about the US constitution, would have fought tooth and nail to get it overturned"

Now FUCK OFF.

>Obama should have changed the entirety of society in the hopes of exerting enough social pressure on these aging, conservative old people in the last 2 years of his presidency to overturn a single ruling he didn't like

A single ruling which directly challenges the entire culture of the USA and is unconstitutional. Yes he should.

>social pressure is violation of his role as president
Well then, every single president in the history of the USA should be impeached then shouldn't they? Because no President in the history of the USA has used their prestige and influence to direct the arms of government, ever.

>Obama, long winded reply showing he understands the problem and what he will do to fix it
>Has 8 years to fix it
>Doesn't fix it at all, problem gets so bad Hillary gets nearly a billion dollars from superpacs.

He sure did a great job, and his long reply on reddit definitely addressed the problem and made our country better!

your problem is that you're a retarded australian who is arguing against the opinion of another retarded australian and neither of you know how the supreme court in the US works.

>obama
>strict constitutionalist
australian retardation
>da court isn't going to just overturn their own ruling what do you mean another case could be levied coming at the issue from a different angle, be heard, and result in a different outcome that modifies constitutional law
more australian retardation

do you have some gas to huff abbo? whose computer did you steal?

I'm arguing how things should be, the other retard is arguing how they are.

I don't care how things are. I care that Obama should stop being a massive fag.

>A single ruling which directly challenges the entire culture of the USA and is unconstitutional
According to the Supreme Court it's not unconstitutional. That's the whole point.

Honestly though, Trump has better things to do than to actively try to impede gay marriage rights. It's like what he said on his stance on Roe v. Wade. He'll appoint judges that reflect his views and that's about it. If something happens down the road than alright, but until then things are fine as they are.

>gay marriage rights.
State recognised marriage isn't a right.

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Semantics. You know the point I'm trying to make.

The Supreme Court is the one who gets to decide what's constitutional and what's not. Not the president, not the people, and not any one of us here on Sup Forums.

>your problem is that you're a retarded australian who is arguing against the opinion of another retarded australian
This from the literal retard who is incapable of reading and loves to join arguments that are halfway through and opine on topics he knows nothing about.

>A single ruling which directly challenges the entire culture of the USA and is unconstitutional. Yes he should.
Firstly, you do not decide what is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court decides what is unconstitutional. This is not my arrogant "I agree with it therefore it's right" side speaking - the literal role of the Supreme Court is to make this decision. The entire conception of the court is based around its function as arbiter of the constitution. When you say a Supreme Court ruling is unconstitutional you are the one who is engaging in unconstitutional behaviour.

Secondly, if the culture was predominantly against gay marriage then why would you argue that social pressure was a factor in this decision? Your argument is incoherent because it is not founded on facts or reason, merely on "I want thing - what reasons can I invent to justify the thing I want?"

Which, funnily enough, is the kind of thinking the Supreme Court exists - in theory - to suppress.

>no President in the history of the USA has used their prestige and influence to direct the arms of government, ever.
Name one that overturned a Supreme Court decision.

The US President can certainly challenge them.

If there is a process for that I am completely unaware of it. The only influence the President has on the court is nominating judges, otherwise they are completely separate branches of government.

I came here to call you retarded as you opine on a topic your gas sniffing shitcunt ass knows nothing about and you've proved my point spectacularly

>Firstly, you do not decide what is unconstitutional

Yes I do. If I can amply justify my reason, then it is fair.

If SCOTUS decided one day
>Hey guys turns out freedom of speech isn't actually constitutional, so we're gonna ban it
Doesn't mean that they're right.

>Secondly, if the culture was predominantly against gay marriage then why would you argue that social pressure was a factor in this decision?
When did I say the culture was predominately against gay marriage?

>Name one that overturned a Supreme Court decision.
18th Amendment
President FDR

Trump's succinct answer is way more effective and true than the bullshit from Obongos handlers

>a fucking leaf

>Drones
>Killing American citizens
>US soldiers are still in Afghanistan and Iraq
>Libya is fucked
>Syria is fucked
>More agresssion against whistleblowers
>Bigger debt than ever
>Race relations are at a very low point
>Obamacare fucking over everyone
>Married to a man
Obama is truly a great President.

no he can't, at least not directly.
>supreme court hands out ruling
>something something state government passes a new state law in violation of the federal law (like alaska's legal machineguns) or a private business fails to provide an intersex catkin bathroom.
>asshurt ______s like the southern poverty law center or ACLU sue/group who violated the controversial ruling appeal
>years of appeals later.jpg
>case is either squashed by SC or heard and the ruling reaffirms or replaces/modifies constitutional law
by appointing justices and working with congress to legislate away/around the strict wording of the new interpretation the president plays a role.

aggression*

bwahahahaha

>Yes I do.
I was unaware that you were a Supreme Court judge. Did you fake your death and flee to Australia, Scalia?

>Doesn't mean that they're right.
Yes, it does. That's what the Supreme Court is, and that's why a Bill of Rights is fucking retarded. When you give your rights to the judicial system you lose your opinion on what they mean to a bunch of unelected officials who are decades out of touch.

"b-b-b-but i think"
Nobody cares what you think, because you have no authority to determine what your rights are or aren't because you have no vote on the matter thanks to the Supreme Court. You can believe whatever the fuck you want, it's completely irrelevant until a constitutional amendment comes up for a vote. Again, this isn't me being an arrogant "I agree with it so it's right" guy, this is literally how the system works. The whole point of being a republic instead of a democracy is this kind of stuff - to remove power from the people to prevent tyranny of the majority and give it to institutions bound by laws and reason. You end up with tyranny of paper, which is what you're chafing under now.

>When did I say the culture was predominately against gay marriage?
When you brought up the nebulous and meaningless concept of "social pressure" and then quickly and quietly dropped it as soon as you could because it is nebulous and meaningless.

>18th amendment
Repealed by amendment not by president, and that initiative by congress.

>FDR
Because you never specified which part of the entire 3 terms of FDR you meant, I'll address the two biggies. Firstly, two term limit wasn't a law until after him and JPR bill never passed because people saw it for what it was - presidential meddling to obtain a favourable ruling.

>If SCOTUS decided one day
>>Hey guys turns out freedom of speech isn't actually constitutional, so we're gonna ban it
SCOTUS is like 9 people though. People that have to be picked by the president and confirmed by congress.

>I was unaware that you were a Supreme Court judge. Did you fake your death and flee to Australia, Scalia?

If you're genuinely studying law, then you know that literally any interpretation of any constitution or legislature can be seen as valid if it can be argued effectively.

>Yes, it does
No it doesn't. Again, if the Supreme Court decided free speech is not constitutional and banned it. They're wrong. Doesn't matter if they think they're right or not.

>When you brought up the nebulous and meaningless concept of "social pressure" and then quickly and quietly dropped it as soon as you could because it is nebulous and meaningless.
I didn't say the words you are saying I said. Keep trying.

>Repealed by amendment not by president, and that initiative by congress.
No shit it was repealed by amendment? FDR still applied huge pressure to get it overturned.

>America went from a bunch of bullshit phony lip-service to top tier bantz in 3 years.

MAGA

Both answers end up having the same effect (none), but at least with one of the answers I don't have to waste time reading a wall of text stuffed with words completely devoid of all meaning.

>then you know that literally any interpretation of any constitution or legislature can be seen as valid if it can be argued effectively.
HA HA HA

If that's true then explain to me what the function of a constitutional court judge is.

>if the Supreme Court decided free speech is not constitutional and banned it. They're wrong
Repeating things does not make them more correct. The Supreme Court is the only arbiter of constitutionality in the US system. It's not that your opinion is somehow less compelling, less valid, or whatever. You literally don't get to have an opinion. How can their answer be wrong if it's correct by definition? It can't. The Supreme Court doesn't opine on constitutionality, it decides constitutionality. When an issue comes before the court there is not already a right answer that the court merely has to uncover and tell. The Court decides what right is.

>I didn't say the words you are saying
Yes you did, which is why I put them in quotation marks.

>FDR still applied huge pressure to get it overturned.
So did the democratic party, and the WONPR. Does that mean WONPR gets to overturn amendments now?

The 18th was repealed by state conventions voting for the 21st. All FDR could possibly do was add his voice to getting the vote off the ground, and he was by no means the single most important factor in that campaign. The single most important factor was the widespread support for the 21st and opposition to prohibition - opposition that does not exist towards gay marriage, as much as this concept will provoke frothing rage in you.