Welfare has to be shut off by 2018... or America will NEVER be great again

Welfare has to be shut off by 2018... or America will NEVER be great again

what are your thoughts on the deaf and blind then

let them go to heaven

so let them suffer and die with no income

got it

natural selection

Yes you have to give people the freedom to suffer

People who care about them should willingly give up their own money and resources to improve the lives of deaf and blind (and others) people.

It's unfair to force all the society to pay for those people, if some individuals in this society don't give a fuck. It's their right.

That's called freedom user, if you believe in any god you shouldn't bat an eye for this, everyone is being judged by a superior being in the end.

Forced altruism can only bring injustice.

Easy to say while you have a job. What happens when the economy collapses and no one hires your ass?

If that happens to you user, the best thing you can do is not worry about it!

It's my fault if I'm not skilled enough to be worth paying.

How is this question related to deaf and blind people user?

Its people like you who makes communist revolutions happen

Communist revolutions are usually backed by banks

>all the niggers lose their source of income and have to do something that isn't """protesting""" non-existent issues

i'm in favor of this.

Do you care to articulate your reasoning? You're not making much sense from my point of view, and that's considering your first reply as well.

Can you articulate a argument about your thoughts?

but user being blind is a legit problem in the workforce

let them eat cake

He means that you force the average man into a corner of poverty, forcing there hand to fight back.

This is horseshit tho

Private charities already do a better job than the wasteful socialized medical care

There's nothing bankers like more than the abolition of private property and the death of the moneyed elite, let me tell you.

t. privileged white male

All socialism forces people to be dependent on the cheapest products, coming from one enormous conglomerate.

Boo hoo go fuck yourself you whiny faggot. Go be a little self-worshiping libtard, you Satan-worshiping piece of worthless shit. You think you're a good guy? You're not. You're a bad person. Everyone is bad except for Jesus. I'm sorry for you, your parents must be complete retards. And you think you can spit on this peaceful and prosperous land built by my people who worshiped Jesus/God since arriving here in the 1600s, and you think you can worship Satan on this land? You should be hanged, faggot. Now that Trump is President, you better be a good little boy. We're a lot less lenient than that faggot nigger Obama. We want a comfy society for people who worship God. If you are unwilling to submit to Jesus, the one true God, we will destroy you. If we were like Jesus, we would let you overcome us, but we are flawed sinners, who want to live in a comfy society. If you want to worship your own power instead of thanking God and repenting, if you want to worship your own strength, I'm sorry for the pain you will feel. You don’t hate or want to destroy white men. That’s a code word. The truth is you hate anyone who doesn’t carry their sins with them the way you do. We don't give a fuck about the 'sins of our past', nigger. Jesus forgives the sins of those who repent. If you think that was bad, our damage output is going to be off the charts after all these years of being held down by the satanic establishment. Try us, little bitch

>welfare has been cut
>6 month later not a single SJW chimpout, because neetbux is unavailable and they have to get a job.
MAGA

But I'm advocating freedom and liberty, how come those things force the average man to be poor?

I can't see the connection...

>wew lad levels of text
This isn't just a leaf. This is ADVANCED LEAF.

> how come those things force the average man to be poor?

They don't, just no one wants to admit that they can't cut it alone.

I do believe in benefits for the disabled though, however I'd prefer to see it done outside of the government. At the worst it should be at the state level.

do you have a problem with logic?

Those thoughts are the result of worshiping worldly things. You start thinking that the highest good is human power and control of self and can't compute the notion of discomfort or suffering.

They won't have jobs, they'll have starved in the streets. Either way things will be better.

And you seem to think the highest good is giving irresponsible single mothers and drug dealers free government bennies.

I would disagree.

I've taught at least three deaf students in my time as a teacher.

Deaf people, with a little help, are every bit the same amount of productive in many jobs as those who have good hearing.

Shit, dude. They don't HAVE to be on welfare. Neither do the blind. The problem is that there aren't any JOBS right now.

Bud I was describing people who support using the government as a anti-suffering drug.

Well, McDonalds and KFC probably hire people with a gender studies degree, they can also sweep streets or clean up aviaries at zoos. Of course, if these jobs haven't been taken by their beloved illegals yet.

Charities and family can care for them, but that only works if there is a family and household and welfare does destroy the family and community, replacing neighborly help and charity by government welfare.

i have deaf parents and am an interpreteur for the deaf. i never said the job situation is bad. hell that's one good reason welfare should stay around for people with actual illness/disabilities. but like people said before here, charity and homes would be more beneficial most likely

And the risk of a corrupt government coming back and pumping the welfare state back up is greater if the right wing gives in to any welfare ideas.

Do you even know how American welfare works? Or how little our tax payers have to put towards that?

No, social programs are an important part of the right wing safety net.

It isn't about putting people on the dole, it's about allowing them to have the safety net necessary to get up and try again after failure to thrive, for whatever reason.

Thats what they said 20 years ago and look where that got us faggot

As someone who was actually of voting age 20 years ago, I can tell you that this wasn't the discourse going on at all.

>bad

i meant i never said it was good whoops

It was a general belief that some welfare is 'necessary'. And now society has gone back to the 70s. I can't understand why you think it's worth that risk. Don't try to stop suffering, you're just pushing it to a later date

Getting rid of welfare would be a step in the right movement, not only did it destroy the working and middle class but it also caused a lot of problems to arise like degenerate lifestyles.

Just require a drug test for welfare and those faggots will work to keep their fucking habit

kek
>Trump cuts all welfare
>robots and ai take over
>30-40 percent of all americans get REKT

>implying once welfare has been cut and we fully automate things we won't be able to vote again and decide if welfare is a good idea or not.

There's one wall that Onizuka can't break

And that's Trump's Wall

look at that! A fucking monkey imitating ayn rand! This sure proves evolution to exist in modern world!

You can't take that risk bro. It always ends up bad.

If welfare is cut, the working people will hold their wealth and the economy will become decentralized. Automation is a result of welfare state and people being rendered too dependent on the state and large conglomerates to be able to afford local decentralized services.

If welfare is cut, the value of labor will be shrunk to such a level thanks to overwhelming supply, that robots will NEVER be able to compete with us.

We'll turn into Neo-China.

This is WHY the technocrats are pushing so hard for automation: Their entire business plan relies on human labor being worth more than their robots.


The true non-degenerate future for low-skilled individuals lies in ad-hoc labor co-ops. The ability for people to do odd jobs for quick cash, and a ratings system to accompany it.

>You can't take that risk bro. It always ends up bad.

How?

If they are motivated beyond ruining their lives for their habit then they will damn sure go to work to save it.

INCOME BASED welfare must be shut if by 2018

>ftfy

Because look where we ended up bud. Degeneracy never before seen. It has to go for the sake of society even if it means some people can't have their anti-suffering drug gibmedat from the government.

Not from the government, swamp-boy

Abolish all taxes. I dont want to pay for the police or military.

You get gang raped by whoever, i couldn't give one fuck.

Wellfare is stupid, but taxes are too.

I am also in favor of community militias. They'd burn the ghettos down immediately

serious answer though let their family take care of them

I thought that picture was ironic too, given that he's about to go break a wall.

Welfare is obnoxious when you can't even support yourself, and then you go have a kid. And then you go and have another after that. And you have cable TV, dogs, furnature and a nice car with AC. I've heard of Shaniqua having more kids *on purpose* to get more welfare money to spend.

Welfare should at least be reduced to "super-bare-minimum living" for now until we cook up some good ideas. I know if I was down on my luck, I'd be pleased to get a milk crate to sit on instead of the floor. Hell, I was sleeping on the floor by choice until recently while I saved up to buy a matress cash.

Asking someone else to pay for your fillet mignon is obnoxious and the cancer that is killing earth.

Yes shut off welfare and implement a modern version of the Universal Basic Income type plan that Dick Nixon had.

Any form of welfare aka anti-suffering drug is bad because its good for big conglomerates and it will be blown too big like it is now if a corrupt government gets in

The best is to cut it all off simple as that. And never let a corrupt use it as a way to enslave

Dont be a slave to worldly comfort.

Often times the easiest solution is a trap. Changing things dramatically often goes poorly.

I'd take the Toyota approach on this and make the changes slowly, by consensus, while broadly considering alternatives each step of the way.

This extreme of "absurd givaways in the name of humanitarianism" is no good but simply lurching to the other extreme is too near-sighted of a reaction.

Better to put measures and caps on how many handouts you can get before you are graded "probably irredeemable burden on society".

The problem with that is if Trump doesnt do something fast, and let the positive results be seen, he'll lose the next election to someone who promises bringing welfare back and caring about the people

and letting people be is not grading them. its the best thing you can do.

>It's unfair to force all the society to pay for those people, if some individuals in this society don't give a fuck. It's their right.

Same reasoning could be used for law enforcement and fire department, why should you pay for such silly services when you could just establish your own mafia to protect yourself and your properties. Why should you give fuck about some people who are unable to protect themselves and their families.

The thing is that An ideology that so obviously results in many more losers than winners cannot really work in the long term, particularly not in democracies. More and more people will fall below poverty lines and the population will become more and more discontent with the system because it no longer serves them. Eventually the whole thing will crumble due to civil war, coup or an economic collapse or something similar.

>But I'm advocating freedom and liberty, how come those things force the average man to be poor?

Through structural violence.

If you're high enough in the social ladder you can actually use your freedom to restrict the freedom of others through various ways just because you likely have more money and influence. With all the income inequality in modern world it's almost impossible for the people under poverty lines to climb up the social ladder because they simply can't afford to do so.

>Welfare has to be shut off by 2018... or America will NEVER be great again

What about in Canada?

What's the plan in a hundred years when the majority of jobs are automated?

We build spaceships and send people away to colonize the moon and Mars, duh

Only solution for us is race war

The middle class will grow again if welfare is shut down you cunt.

automation is a result of conglomerates becoming the only thing people can afford. If welfare is shutdown, taxes can be brought WAY down, decentralizing the economy and allowing local decentralized enterprises to prosper again.

>CORPORATE Welfare has to be shut off by 2018... or America will NEVER be great again
FTFY

Welfare for the poor is corporate welfare. It makes me dependent on the cheapest services. Which come from the most economically-centralized and automated conglomerates

I agree we should do something fast.

Short term: Change welfare.

Long term: ???

>The middle class will grow again if welfare is shut down you cunt.

Hahaha you wish
All the structural violence it would cause would turn the country in to a literal police state.
You'd have to barricade and wall off the poor people from rich districts.

>If welfare is shutdown, taxes can be brought WAY down
Yes let's cut off all the pensions, food stamps and unemployment benefits and see what happens.