Why are you so afraid of me?

What did I do to you?

Why cant I live my life in peace with my socially conservative ideas?

Why do I have to submit to accepting the following degeneracy before you accept me:

Alcohol
Nudity
Open homosexuality
Gambling
Adultery or the like

I thought Sup Forums was a place for people who accept that these degenerate ideas were brought in to western society by foreign/alien elements. I guess I was wrong, I guess you really are extremist facist liberals all of you. Thats what the "right" has become these days, there is no talk of morals, honor, traditions and real values. All you care about is that we don't drink and our women are chaste.

Dont give me the bullshit excuse about terrorism - you all know this is a fringe group of wacko wahabi/salafis.

What the fuck are you even asking?

>implying anyone is afraid of a swedecuck

What are you gonna do? Ask me to bang your wife?

>some random dude draws cartoon of muhammad
>literally every muslim on social media is calling for his head

nice fringe group you got there ahmed

>literally every muslim on social media is calling for his head.

Yeah, no.

Nice try.

I am from Norway and posting from Norway, I have no idea why I have a Swedish flag :/

>that's not true, can't you see how condescending I am?

I will take a pork shit in your mouth nigger

You sound like a perfectly reasonable human being. Thanks for your input.

Nothing wrong with gambling, alcohol, and some drugs.
Nudity can be OK in designated areas that are blocked from normal public view.
Faggots need to keep it to themselves so as not to bring their disease upon others and adultery needs to be taken far more seriously since its normalization has led to the death of family and the natural male/female role relationship.

No one here fears you, except for some fags that don't belong here. Though if you're going to be a thin-skinned faggot about people not agreeing to your way to a T then you'll get eaten alive.
This is no place for weak arguments and flimsy convictions.

>why do I have to accept people not accepting my rules
Muslim tier.

Oh shit, didn't see that you're a mudslime.
I hope you die from eating a rotten kebab.

>Why cant I live my life in peace with my socially conservative ideas?
You can live your life as you please back in the 3rd world camelshitholes where your kind came from.

Where did I say I need other people to accept "my rules" ? I never stated such a thing. You can be a degenerate all you want. I don't care what you do.

>Nothing wrong with gambling, alcohol and some drugs.

No I would argue there is plenty of things wrong with those things.

>I hope you die from eating a rotten kebab.
Thanks.

Sup Forums is a NatSoc board and you are inferior swine.

Day of the rope soon enough.

nice taqiyya ahmed

ffs you mudshits are soulless.
One of many reasons you are a shit people.
Your reactions are so fucking boring.
Like you're more of a robot than the asians.

Well pardon me it felt implied, and based on the state of most Muslim dominated countries I have a hard time believing you are actually capable of consistently keeping your rules to yourselves. Something to do with "convert and fuck" being your mission statement.

National Socialism did not hate Islam and muslims. You even had muslim SS divisions who were allowed to pray, practice their belief and literally had imams/mullahs leading prayers for them so it does not seem like your views are very congruent with the original National Socialist views.

I have no reason to apply taqqiya with you.

I am trying to have a normal civil discussion. Funny how when a hothead muslim overreacts and throws stupid tantrums then he's literally the devil but when you come up against a normal calm muslim who responds to the actual substance of the posts he's a "boring robot".

>"convert and fuck" being your mission statement

>convert
Every religion and worldview promotes and presents itself to others. National Socialists promote their view, Communists, Capitalists, The Right, The Left and all other Religions.

>and fuck

That is not part of any mission statement of mine nor my religion.

Except yours is doing so more aggressively and violently, with less respect for neighboring cultures with different ideals.

By fuck I mostly mean you have lots of babies but raping the shit out of people also seems to be popular.

>the west is a disgusting degenerate place that goes against my religion
>therefore i shall move there and make it my home

Just go back to the Middel East to your Shariah paradise

>more aggressively and violently, with less respect for neighboring cultures with different ideals

First of all that is not how the teachings of Islam are. (I am a Shia muslim who has studied Islam for 4 years).

Secondly I would argue the extreme violence between different political and religious factions in Europe and other places in the world absolutely dwarf the stupid moronic muslims who are "aggressive and violent".

>have lots of babies but raping the shit out of people also seems to be popular

Having babies is a good thing. The recent and unfortunate tragedy of western societies with having few babies is not a good thing. If you had more babies and more traditional family values then you would not be worried about immigration to the extent that you are and you would not be worried about the future of the different European peoples. In fact the National Socialists, which seem to be the most popular political faction on this board, actively promoted having lots of babies.

Rape is a horrific crime and should be punished. Attributing rape to the entirety of muslims is very weird considering islam itself has harder punishments for rape than most of the western countries in the world.

Unfortunately I am here now, and I did not come by my own choice, I was raised here and I am really putting in an effort to adapt and be part of society, both with my colleagues, non muslim friends and non muslim family.

If I was raised in my own country I would never leave it, that is not the case however, and when I have been here my entire life, building a career, friendships, getting an education, enjoying and liking many parts of the norwegian culture and customs then it does not feel natural nor right for me to leave. I don't agree that the middle east is a shariah paradise either. I would rather live in a secular democracy than live in a muslim state where the "Islam" that is being pushed is a distorted and false version of it.

>"Socially Conservative"

>Practices bestiality
>Rapes women
>Rapes children
>Practices polygamy
>Wants to destroy the West and everything it stands for

No, our problem is that you don't accept either the laws or the culture of the countries you swarm to, and you seem incapable of keeping your mitts off of barn animals and small children.

Not even going to start debating whether the west has been more violent than the muslim world with you. If you are here on this board and genuinely hold that belief nothing will convince you otherwise.

I never said having babies is bad.

>attributing rape to the entirety of muslims
How many times are people going to use this meme before it gets tired. I said it is popular with Muslims, not that every single one is a rapist. Relatively speaking, I hear a lot more about muslims raping christian girls than christians raping muslims.

>the "Islam" that is being pushed is a distorted and false version of it

Oh... so you're one of those guys?

I completly agree the alt-right have become too liberalised

I actually agree with a lot of what Islam preaches except for the no alcohol and pork part. Just don't rape anyone and stick to your kind and you're fine by me.

>beastiality, rape - wants to destroy the west and everything it stands for

These are false allegations. We don't condone beastiality nor rape and there are a LOT of things the West stand for that we appreciate and admire.

I accept that you have your culture and laws, however I do not believe I have to do or like ALL of them myself (alcohol, gambling, public nudity, open homosexuality).

There is a massive difference between accepting that others have a different view and practice then you and accepting those views and practices as your own. If you say that "accepting" is the latter then you are right, If it is the former then you are wrong.

As for your comments on barn animals and small children, they do not have any root in islamic teaching.

Truly the destruction and violence between different factions of political and religious groups in Europe the last century absolutely dwarfs the violence perpetuated by the moronic warmongering muslims.

It is as easy as looking at the death tolls of the wars in this century. If you disagree please bring your counterargument.

Rape is not popular with muslims. A known rapist in a muslim society is looked upon with disgust and hatred. That is true for all societies. If there are muslims raping people then they are not practicing what their religion tells them to.

Yes, you can call me "one of those guys" if that means a muslim who has studied islam for 4 years and believe the crazed violent muslims are practicing a distorted corrupted religion which only resembles islam in dress and name.

I don't think anyone really cares about you either way because you're from Sweden.

>implying Sup Forums cares
Nobody gives a fuck about you.

>I will take a pork shit in your mouth nigger

I fucking lost it. 10/10 would read again

I understand your view. I used to be an atheist but converted to shia islam 4 years ago. I have a much deeper and better understanding of the average atheist/non muslim in a western society than most non westerners. In fact I used to be anti-theist and anti-islam.

I believe it is easier to understand the restrictions on alcohol though, even for a non muslim. You will easily find the data to see the violence, deaths and tragedies that alcohol abuse (and even normal use) can lead to.

Not eating pork is perhaps more difficult to understand but then again it is also a lot easier to follow as there are plenty of tasty alternatives.

Do you admit that taqqiya is something commonly practiced by most muslims?

Go live in peace in a country of your ancestors' creation. You're an invader.

No I do not admit such a thing. Taqqiya is to be used only when fearing for your life and some other special cases.

It is very natural for a person whose life is under threat to lie to try and save his life. It is not even a controversial thing. The fact that some anti-muslims seem to be so focused on "taqqiya" is very strange to me.

>Taqiya is only ok to save your life
So basically you're able to use it all the time then, because if you didn't lie and the people knew your true intentions they'd kick you head first into the oven.

Mate your book tells you not to follow man-made laws. I don't have a problem with killing fags and adulterers, but part of being part of a non-islamic country is learning to dress as the locals do. It's okay to wear long sleeves and pants, but looking like you just got off duty at Azkaban is fucking unaustralian. As for pedophilia, the most important figure in your religion (other than Allah) fucked a nine-year-old child, so you can put "Thou shalt not fuck tiny babies" as one of your commandments; it still doesn't change the fact that your religion was founded by a guy who stuck his dick in little kids.

You claimed to be an atheist before converting to Islam. I was raised with a very odd and fucked up version of Christianity called the "World Wide Church of God" but soon became agnostic (or whatever the equivalent of not giving a shit about religion either way is) after my dad divorced my shitty schizophrenic mother that pushed it onto us. I'm 30 years old now and can't really see myself becoming religious again. What spurred you into it?

>and some other special cases
Found the escape clause.

>muslim

fuck off vermin invader
keep your filth in the middle east
you are like insects swarming out

Im no islam apologist but you are comparing someones action in a very under developed and savage culture in a time when fucking prepubescent girls was not seen as strange at all. Compared to what came before him, yes, muhammed was a liberal revolutionary

Islam hasnt gotten rid of its retarded medieval ideas though and really is a poisonous ideaology

>Im no islam apologist
Great. Then you'll help explain to the camel humper why he and his kind don't belong in western democracies.

No I am not able to "use it" all the time. I wont bother responding to the rest.

The notion that Prophet Muhammad (S) had sex with a 9 year old is false. This fairytale is related to us by a corrupt version of Islam (sunni islam). The truth is that she was probably over 30 years old when she married the prophet and she was also married once before that (which is related even in sunni islamic sources).

When it comes to dress code it is related that when a person came to the prophets mosque they could not distinguish him from the rest of the people because he dressed just like them. Dressing like the people of your area is an accepted and liked practice as long as it doesn't go against the dress code of decency promoted by islam.

I started my journey to religion through philosophy. Searching for the meaning of life and objective truth. It was a long journey and I consciously put Islam last of all the religions I researched. I did not want all the restrictions that it brings but it was a blessing in disguise.

> why can't I go wherever I want and why aren't people clapping
Shitskin go home

Why did you come to the west in the first place if these things are unacceptable to you?

>fuck off vermin invader
>german
weeeew lad

I did not come here by choice, my parents came here when I was a little kid. I was raised here. I addressed this in post There is no free for all special clause. In cases where the future of your religion is at stake then it is permissible.

Just as any normal and logical human being who believes in a religion or ideology - if there is something that threatens that ideology with extinction then you can lie to keep your ideology alive. The reasons for this are persecution shia muslims faced by tyrant rulers. They had to literally hide their views or die.

>Just as any normal and logical human being who believes in a religion or ideology
logical human being don't believes in a religion or ideology.
you can dismiss every religions with the simple uses of logic thinking.

>as long as it doesn't go against the dress code of decency promoted by islam
Which means, at the very least, that women are required to wear a head scarf, an overt sign that they are not of the people in whose country (if western) they reside. If I took my wife to a muslim country, and she did not wear a head covering, that would be inappropriate according to local culture, wouldn't it? When in Rome. But I notice you still haven't answered the point about not following laws that aren't in/contradict the koran.

>lying about islam is permissible when the truth would destroy it
You know what? There's no point discussing this any further. If you confirmed any of the accusations leveled against your religion, it would be against your religion. Anything you say is suspect, because lying to save your religion is part of your religion.

I disagree. I believe that searching for truth and the correct way to think/arrange society is perfectly logical. In fact I believe all truly logical people will land on the conclusion that there is a God and follow the most logical ideology they have been introduced to.

Yes women are required to wear a headscarf. A thing which was very normal in all european societies until recently when alien/foreign elements have distorted your values to promote promiscuous behavior. If you look at the traditional clothing of all (I believe all) european societies you will see that a group of the women would cover their hair in different ways and also wear clothing which covered up most of their bodies.

In fact most european cultures had a great and decent code of clothing for women, completely in accordance with the hijab, like for example this picture of a traditional norwegian womens clothing.

If the laws of the country commands you to sin then you might have to leave the country if there are no other and better options, like trying to change the laws to less hostile ones. However there are no such laws, there are some laws that accept and promote things which are contradictory to the religion but not laws which command you to sin. There is a difference.

> Anything you say is suspect, because lying to save your religion is part of your religion.

Posting on a forum full of national socialists and anti-muslims will not have any bearing on the future of my religion. Therefore this is false. Actually the future of my religion is not in any danger at all, it is growing at a rapid rate everyday.

I appreciate these comments. Thank you for not resorting to childish insults - this shows there is some hope for a normal discussion on Sup Forums.

This will serve as a last bump unless someone wants to keep it alive.

fuck off to your shithole muhammidan

So, there are no laws in any western country that your book commands you to disobey? You have a point about the traditional European head-coverings. Requiring your women to wear those in countries where it was common would be acceptable.

However, that still leaves the problems of islamic terrorism, and the third-world, largely muslim, invasion of Europe. Whatever the arguments for reasonable muslims existing, we (those of European descent) must remove all of these invaders from our lands. Whether some are innocent or not doesn't matter. The crime rates in 'refugee'-infested Europe have shot up, and even if they hadn't, the demographic change is a form of attempted genocide. They must go, and those who sought this outcome must also go. When that happens, can you honestly say you will fight to save the West, even though it will be against many of your religion?

Ok Achmed, riddle me this. Why does ISIS justify their actions with the Qur'an, islam's holy book, if islam is not violent and backwards? In almost every ISIS video they quote the quran before executing people. Don't try and taqiyya me either filthy muslim

False religion is easily exploitable. Just the same as false christians and their pedo rings and the jews and their shekels.

All false religion is work of satan.

I'm an agnostic, I don't care about those religions either. But to say judaism or christianity are as violent as islam is simply wrong

>But to say judaism or christianity are as violent as islam is simply wrong

I didn't.

>So, there are no laws in any western country that your book commands you to disobey?

Let me give you an example of what I mean, laws in Europe are like the following:

Alcohol consumption is allowed

and not like this:

Alcohol consumption is obligatory.

Therefore I can live side by side with this law without compromising my religion. If a plethora of laws are passed that explicitly command us to sin or to explicitly accept some value then everything changes. Then we might have to consider leaving or trying to change the laws through politics depending on the severity of the laws.

So called islamic terrorism is unfortunately the result of years and years of propagation of Salafi/Wahabi deviant ideas through Saudi Arabia and western powers. Some of the first modern "islamic" terrorist groups were sponsored by the US to fight the soviets as admitted by people like Hillary Clinton.

Other the incredibly destructive and violent ideas of the wahabis were promoted or "let slide" by the west for different reasons. The saudis and the subsequent wave of extreme wahabis and terrorists would never have come without western support. They were used to undermine the ottomans and later on to undermine the Iranian influence. Anything to assert control over other nations. Even today every person who has followed the war in syria will instantly see that the west funded extreme terrorists and also let countries like Turkey/Saudi Arabia help the terrorists to reach their goals. Using these dumb extremists as pawns to their different goals:

1. Turkeys goal - destroy the rising threat of kurdish independence
2. Saudi Arabia - destroy the rising influence and growth of shia islam/Iran
3. US/West - remain the ruling hegemonic power and gain access to gas/other resources.

As for your point about muslims invading Europe, well that is simply not true, muslims are coming and you are letting them come. Whenever you decide to reduce or stop immigration then you can choose 1/2

2/2

When it comes to your question about this purge of muslims and whether or not I will fight to save the west (meaning will I help to purge the west of muslims or not) then obviously I will not. If such an extreme political environment comes to Europe I will leave with my family and not be part of the oppression.

Because they have a distorted and perverted interpretation of the verses.

Give me an example where they 'misread' the verses. ISIS' leader had a major in Islamic studies.

I don't even understand this post

>Dont give me the bullshit excuse about terrorism - you all know this is a fringe group of wacko wahabi/salafis.

Really. You really want to know. Islam is about conquest. Your birth rates are higher than western birth rates. In 100 years, you will be the minority. Then we'll have to accept Islam. Cause while you cunts are all too happy to scream about tolerance, you display none. Kill yourself.

Move your antenna.

The interpretation of the verses of the Quran from the religion of wahabis/salafis/ISIS terrorists are probably wrong in most of the quran.

That "major" in islamic studies probably isnt worth the paper it was written on. Most of the verses dealing with defensive warfare (which is the only warfare allowed in true islamic teaching) are misread/misinterpreted by ISIS.

I would not call a bloodthirsty army lead by the prophet Mohammed to conquer most of the middle east very defensive

That is not how it happened. You have to differentiate between the corrupt leadership of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman and the later tyrants to the divine leadership of prophet Muhammed (S) and Imam Ali (S).

They did not engage in aggressive warfare. If you have evidence to the contrary I will gladly discuss it with you.

* (as)

So you're saying Mohammed didn't kill people in his conquest?

I have not found any evidence of prophet Muhammad (S) killing anyone personally. As far as deaths occuring in the defensive wars. Sure there were few, but under the leadership of the prophet of Imam Ali (as) there were no aggressive wars for conquest/invasion.

Why did islam spread so far through out the middle east and beyond then, if there was no offensive pushes to spread the word of Mohammed? Also in muslim majority countries there are almost no people of other religion or beliefs. Why's that?

> In 100 years, you will be the minority

*majority

You don't need religion to keep your principles, abandon it and integrate, or leave.

By laws that your book would command you to disobey, I was referring to laws that prohibit you taking actions condoned or required by islamic law, such as the stoning to death of women for adultery, or capital punishment in general (varies by country).

Regarding the reasons behind islamic extremism, they are not important except as a lesson, and perhaps as an indicator of who might be opposed to the efforts of Sup Forums, and other right-wing factions. The same holds true for the migrants currently fucking up Europe.

Regarding the migrants, the situation is too far gone for simply stopping the flow to be effective - it must be reversed. The powers that be do not want this, so they too must go. In order to facilitate the salvation of Europe, and the rest of the Western world, we must shut the lugenpress up (that is, remove the pushers of this agenda from the media, or make them irrelevant). Then we remove those who control them. After that, the migrants go. The forces arrayed against us (especially the elites like Soros and Merkel, but also many migrants) do not care about democracy, so violence may be the only way to get rid of them.

Bearing that in mind, and remembering that I said many, not all, of the migrants are muslim (you misrepresented what I said as a purge against all muslims), would you or would you not defend Europe, knowing that 'some' muslims would die as a result? Would you be willing to remove all of the current migrant wave if it could be done peacefully?

Sup Forums is Sup Forums tier. Do not expect any serious discussions here. There is (sadly) no place for true conservatives here, nor anywhere else

The reason for the spread of Islam has many answers. The largest muslim country by population, Indonesia - became muslim by choice and peaceful spread of the message of Islam. Other nations were subdued and forced by tyrant rulers. Every region has its own different story.

There were many tyrant rulers who had a lust for power and these did not act in accordance to islam. These tyrants are also a part of the reason for the lack of religious diversity in muslim majority countries.

Stoning is not part of islamic law. There is a long refutation of this but writing it all is probably not interesting to you. As for capital punishment and the like then it is not the role of a muslim to enforce such things which would lead to anarchy. There is in no way shape or form right that a muslim can enforce these rulings by himself or at all in a non-muslim country.

As for "defending" you would have to explain it more in detail for me to give you a correct answer. I can not envision that you are referring to any sort of solution where people are not oppressed though and I will therefore have to say no unless you find another rational way without oppression.

I do not see that it is obligatory for the current migrant wave to stay forever in the countries they have come to though. In my opinion if someone is escaping from war, they should be given shelter for the duration of the war and then they should return to their country after the war. Some would like to stay in the country and each individual country has to establish the rules for such cases based on their own thoughts and ideas.

I would have left this country myself if I wasn't raised here and built everything I have and know here.

You are perfectly free to live by those values and ideals, just not in a decent civilized white country. By all means go back to whatever god-forsaken slab of arid desert you and your kind occupy, put bin bags on your women, wipe your arse with your unwashed hand and talk your disgusting monkey talk, just don't shit up my country with it

Bra trollat min vän, men ärligt. Häng dig

Dette er ikke et forsok på trolling. Jeg er 100% serios.

>wacko wahabi
i thought it was mostly sunni who were terrorist but the shitys do it too

There are bad people in every camp, who are you referring to? However, Al Qaida, ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al Nusrah, Al Shabab are all a particular brand of wahabi who claim to be "sunni" muslims.

How can you possibly state that Sunnism is "corrupt" when it is the variation followed by the founding group of Islam (Arabs).

Regardless, Europeans have no reason to accept some Persianized bastardization of an Arab religion. It has nothing to do with their history and many of them have likely lost ancestors to your ancestors irrespective of whether you are Arab or Persian.

It is very easy to state that sunnism is a corrupted version. It is the product of state rulers chosen religion and all their corruptions bundled together in a melting pot. The fact that there are more persians following shiism today has no bearing on this whatsoever. There is no logical necessity for the "founding" ethnicity to be the ones who are the ones who still hold on to the correct version.

In fact I could argue the opposite, that sunnism is a persianized bastardization of an arab religion because most of the biggest scholars of sunnism in history were persians. For your information the dominant religion in persian areas was sunnism for a long period of time and Iran didnt become a shia majority nation until the safavids.

In addition to this, large parts of Iraq, Bahran, Lebanon and Yemen are all Shia and they are all arab.

the lefto-fascist system is a system of aggression and social imperialosn.

that's why.

I never asked europeans to "accept" my religion, I was asking why you cannot accept me, living in peace and side by side with you. I am not pushing my religion on you and do not require you to accept it. If you are interested in my religion I will tell you about it, but if you are not then I will not bother you and go about my day practicing without bothering you.