Depression is lack of honour;

People with depression feel alone, empty, and meaningless.
People with mania feel grandiose, full of meaning, and are energetic.

I've done my research, and I've found that people who've gotten over their depression made an effort to talk to someone or seek social validity; 9 times out of 10, they talk to other people; the other times, they pray or talk to their pets.

Depression seems consistently correlated to people who lack honour. Suicide or self-destruction was often the only option for people who've dishonored themselves or their family.

48% of Transgendered people have attempted suicide at least once in their life; the number doesn't go down even after they go through with genital reassignment surgery; the fact alone correlates to the fact that their mental disorder isn't causing suicide, but that it's the social stigma of being trans that causes suicide.

We have no freedom to attain honour in society, because we have no fellowship within society. We're a polity, rather than a people. We lack honour, but we call it "Depression", and the symptoms are all the same; lack of meaning, emptiness, suicide....

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>I've done my research
you saying Lenin and Mao were capitalists?

it would helped if you defined what 'honour' is in regards to your hypothesis.

Cont'd
The reason we have no honour in society, isn't because we over-crowd ourselves, but because we have no sense of "people". We're a polity run by a democratic legal system and the bourgeois capitalist system.

Some of you rightwingers talk about "White pride" or "White honour", yet you talk about the supremacy and progressiveness of whites over other races, and some of you even say that race-mixing is only fine with Asians (who have high IQ). You people have no true regard for your own people. You're like the Jews who claim that Jews are the best race of people, yet they don't even care about other Jews. You have no sense of people or fellowship, therefore you can't understand honour. You're a victim of depression, because you have no real connection to any people, not even your own race. You glorify your race, like a liberal glorifies animal rights; you have nothing to do with other whites, but you claim to be a white nationalist. You have depression, because you have no honour.

fucking leafs, talk to a neuro psych that isnt a cucklord, the only thing the rate of suicide not dropping proves is that they suffer disassociation and identity disorders that are prevalent even after the transition into the person they thought they should be.

ARE U KIDDING ME???

the OP is right

if that is true then :
> libtards and demonrats are more prone to depression

> then women are more prone to depression

i get depression on occasion, just makes me not want to do anything and sleep, kind cozy.

doesnt bother me at all

It's more common in men because we are no longer perceived as nature intended user thanks to decades long propaganda designed to make us weak. We no longer have an ideal to strive for and are constantly put down as worthless(particularly European descended men). We've stropped dreaming and conquering and its left us in this cesspit of despair and hopelessness.

We have no cause and no leadership and without cause we've lost all will to continue. I feel the pendulum has shifted and we men of the west are about to embark upon a great crusade to make us proud again even if it means bathing in the blood of our nations in order for them to be reborn, pure in the essence of what was intended.

In one sense, communism is just capitalism 3.0
They play on a distorted sense of morality and society. In the story of Troy, Agamemnon wanted Achilles to fight the Trojans on his behalf, but Achilles wanted to do it for himself, and was conflicted because he wanted the honour of being a warrior, not the honour of being Agamemnon's soldier. It's very telling of Agamemnon's honour if Achilles didn't want to fight for him.

Honour is socially validated grandiosity or mania. In a family context, the father doesn't have honour as the patriarch simply because he exists; he has the honour of the patriarch, because his wife and children validate his sense of grandiosity. Because depressed and manic people have an unrequited sense of fellowship, they don't have honour.

read depression and subjective value from Starship Troopers
it explains why a soldier must have such high honor because he pays the ultimate price for the ultimate right

I think it has more to do with lying and adopting false values in order to conform to a perceived majority. It destroys ones own sense of identity and makes it impossible to form true bonds.

The liberal elite tells us how we should feel, think and act at every turn now. There is no difference of opinion, only RIGHT and WRONG as they decree.

WELL SAID OP

spot on

OP is a fucking idiot that obviously just watched the last samurai, how does the suicide rate remaining the same prove anything other than underlying mental disorders that are being left untreated in deference to " just be who you are " when by virtue of the same disorders they are psychologically incapable of ever truly identifying anywhere without aforementioned treatment

Why is Sup Forums talking so much about depression? All these threads, even posts in threads that have nothing to do with it. Did I miss something?

Depression is real, you just need to defeat it. Fight it and win.

>a fucking leaf

i dont think that depression is a real mental disorder, you can fight against it

My theory is depression is caused by physical boredom. For most of human history we've had to physically toil and struggle to survive. Now survival is mostly a mental struggle, and we don't get the hormonal boost that comes from a physical workout. Anyone who lifts regularly will know what I mean about how you feel great afterwards. So basically, I think our bodies are bored and just want to go ahead and die. My girlfriend got super depressed a few years back, I told her to start lifting/ at least running, and her depression has gone away. I go to the gym around 5 times a week and can honestly say I'm happy. Thoughts?

The leaf is right. I grew up stripped of an identity. I feel like any history or culture I had was worn down to nothing. I grew up in a poor and destitute family with little knowledge of my blood lines and family history. I got nothing there.

I've attempted suicide once and contemplated it heavily. I get what he means though I guess I could never articulate it. I'm trying to do better now.

talking about the trans comments, depression is circumstance, higher order depression can become a hardwired neural issue in time especially if the depression is the result of early trauma and subsequent identity, value issues.

>communism is just capitalism 3.0
no its not you nigger sperm drinking faggot.

communism assigns a false value to work and a false remuneration to it. an apple pie cooked by a fucking retard (e.g. you) would taste like shit compared to an apple pie done by an experience chef who has been making pies for 30 years.
same goes for the value of the primary goods, that same experienced chef wouldnt be able to make shit if you only gave him mud and a rock as basic goods to make an apple pie, but the retard would certainly the retard would make something edible if given an apple and flour
does that mean the retard is more skillful than the experienced cook? and if given the same primary goods, is their work worth the same? fuck no.

This is exactly what it is...
Thank you user.

Christmas, for example, is a time of the year where the family gets together, has a big dinner, opens presents, and has another big dinner, and we go out to see other relatives and give gifts. In a sense, Christmas is supercharged with honour, because everyone as a community has validated its meaning and value. My mother one year wanted to replace the real tree with the fake tree, and I didn't like the idea. Her reason for wanting a fake tree was that it was cheaper and easy to clean up after. It reminds me of what Confucius said to a man who wanted to stop the ritual sacrifice of the sheep; "Ci, you love the sheep, I love the ceremony". I love Christmas for what it was and how it brought us together; I didn't want to change it to make it more economically friendly; the only time I would ever change Christmas, is if economic times would get really bad. We're facing a similar destruction of morals; we have moral dilemma in society, that we have to be tolerant and caring; we keep conflating morality with "utility", and it's making us morally looser. We're losing our sense of morality, because we're putting economic and political values above social values.

I'd prefer it if people respected the concept of honour rather than multiple genders. Nobody should bend over backwards to support a person's lifestyle, if these faggots can't be happy with themselves then it's their problem for being degenerate attention seeking weaklings

the reason why i am depressed is because everything right now is a waste of time

the west needs to crash to snap out of their suicidal mindset before things can get better again and we finally put our own first again

the suicide rate is mostly caused by gender dysphoria(disorder) and body dysmorphia. It is mental illness that is incurable, pills and surgery does help though

suicide attempt rate is 41%

you provided no better alternative, so I'll continue holding my supremacist values

My theory is this.
People that have to fight harder to feed themselves, and stay safe, naturally occupy their bodies and minds and therefore stay more mentally healthy.
Modern lifestyle = nothing for the body & mind to do.

STFU and take your mess faggot.

Look at all these armchair psychologists

Same thing i said here roughlyLife is too easy. Can't imagine hunter-gatherers or even people in the third world, have much time for depression

oh, my post was very similar to yours.
But anyway, I AGREE WITH YOU,user

Meds when not auto cowrecked

I agree with your prognosis OP. I had issues with being depressed and suicidal all through high school and college because I was a shut in with a detached worldview. It changed when I did three things- I started spending more time with my family and friends, started to take religious concepts seriously instead of dismissing them as stupid, and I started to see my relationship to my then-girlfriend (now wife) as a matter of duty rather than just something I do for fun or to feel good. My depression pretty much disappeared and the void was filled by a sense of obligation to the people around me, and fulfilling that obligation gives me immense pride and satisfaction. I'm convinced that this is how human beings are meant to live , not the atomized lives that come so easily to us now.

Married 5 years, second kid on the way.

Honor comes from earning merits due to non-monetary accomplishments, this means sweat, blood, experience and suffering.

imagine i give you a gold medal saying "1 place for swimming 500 miles in 3 seconds" just for sitting there on your chair
is that medal worth something to you? would you wear it with pride and comment your friend "yes i got this medal for swimming by sitting down doing nothing"
honor doesnt come from what the fuck you have or who gave it to you, honor comes from knowing the suffering you endured through to obtain certain merit.

this is why liberals are the worst possible being in existence. they believe they have "rights" just because they were defecated by their mothers after 9 months. so these rights to vote, to have free speech, to defend themselves, to voice openly an opinion are bastardized and they give no value to it because they didn't suffer to get it.
if you had to get a finger chopped off in order to vote during an election, you wouldn't vote without informing yourself or your feelings because that vote costed you a lot
meanwhile, votes are given away for free to niggers, and liberals so they shit all over that right and do whatever, from no voting to voting with their intestines, not with their brains

Indeed, suicide rate goes down during war time.
Also, blog post time. After my dad died, my mum was very low, but she nearly drowned in the swimming pool when her sister panicked and held her under. After that, she was 'better', not A1, but it made her snap out of longing to die herself.

We have like an inside joke among therapists and doctors that whenever someone is depressed, just let them eat pork and they'll be okay.

I think depression stems from a sense of meaninglessness, when people start to believe in something, that meaningless goes away, and with it depression. That's for me at least.

>Blonde girls with side braids

My penis.

It helps, certainly. I first thought of lifting as a better version of self harm or drinking a lot or whatever. Lift enough to where it hurts and you get the same satisfaction but it actually helps in the long run too.

I started getting less depressed when I got sun, exercised and talked with my family. As far as clinical depression goes just kill yourself it's over.

What about the people who are genuinely depressed because of a hormonal disorder? Is honor going to help with that?

I don't see metaphor. Does the pork represent pussy?

Communism works completely differently than capitalism; I'll agree. But the reason I said that communism is capitalism 3.0, is because every society that has ever been capitalist has always had an anxiety or fear of debt; this fear of debt is always satiated with a bubble of prosperity created by social programs which seem good because they help everyone; but like any economic bubble, there's always a big crash. The very meaning of "Left wing" used to apply to people who wanted freer markets and more rights. Liberalism itself used to be more like libertarianism. Then in the blink of an eye, socialism and communism.

being honorable has never done anything than make me miserable and it's too late to change at this point

no

Sorry to hear about your dad man. But yeah with your mom, the adrenaline probably helped. So many depressed people I think just need to go out and live, like actually do things like that gay rap song everyone dies but not everyone lives. Bit of a catch22 though, depression makes you not wanna do stuff, not doing stuff makes you depressed

>Honour

Fuck off you fucking gook you shame your family

>In one sense, communism is just capitalism 3.0
Why do people always confuse capitalism and democracy? If anything, communism is democracy 3.0.

Oh, i mean LITERALLY pork.
We find it funny cos amusingly it works.
I think its because we humans really are carnivorous

He read books by Jack Donovan and claimed it as his own research. OP niggered.

Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain caused by poor diet and lack of exercise.

lack of both honor and fulfilling work leads to a lack of meaning. pair this with porn addiction and everyone telling you you're worthless now, and it's easy to see how one can become depressed. i'm racist for being white and couples don't need eachother when they can live off the government.

Fuck off, your seem to think extroversion equals honour, I mean what the fuck? A FUCKING LEAF.

>depression makes you not wanna do stuff, not doing stuff makes you depressed

This, it's a shitty circle of attrition.

i agree but this fear of the bubble and the burden of debt comes from 2 things; from letting fucking kikes run along with the banks completely unregulated because government and banks are in bed together and the second source is from ignoring Thomas Malthus completely thanks to this modern idea of liberalism (not classical) that every fucking starving nigger kid in africa is a fucking snowflake that should be preserved
according to malthus those niggers and other useless people must face natural extinction due to hunger, poor health or war, because if you try to save everyone, your own society will collapse because it no longer has the primary goods to sustain itself

this is applied to banks and debt because banks in a very capitalistic vision of trying to give loans to everyone to make money, even to people who cannot pay it, is what creates bubbles and this is the example of the 2009 housing bubble that lead to a crisis.

41% sorry, I was looking at two numbers.

>the suicide rate is mostly caused by gender dysphoria(disorder) and body dysmorphia.
But this is really just a social issue. If they were gendered by how they "felt", and society treated them they way they felt, then they wouldn't be so suicidal.

I agree. But I think this "meaninglessness" isn't objective; I think we get meaning from our relationships within society.

I think like sun, activity and therapy, honour can help restore balance, but I believe there probably are people out there who have a genetic or hormonal imbalance, and that's something that may or may not be correctable.

Introversion and extroversion are two sides of the same coin. One tends to be isolated hence observant while the other is outgoing ergo highly skillful in socializing. Both have its strengths and weaknesses. Generalizing that one is better than the other is completely bullshit.

tl;dr: dont mind him, he's A FUCKING LEAF

men have almost no place anymore in society. our purpose as protectors and providers has been destroyed by feminism = feeling of existential uselessness

our testosterone, which a man NEEDS, in order to feel happy, energized and agressive, has been declining due to xenoestrogens in water and food. add to that that many men drink, smoke weed, take narcotis, ssri's, and/or benzos, which all lower, directly or indirectly, test levels further. most men suffer from anxiety or stress, both as a result and cause.

most men hate their job, many students hate their degree. for example, I study math, and 1/2 of STEM fags are pressured by their family or ego to continue while they don't even like their courses.

most millenial men are lonely and isolated. due to feminism women have insane expectations of a partner. the, superficially, genetically gifted men get away with alomst anything, while others remain virgin for years and delude themselves that emotional connection and sex aren't vital for their mental health.

so yes, we are a miserable bunch

also hopelessness Your mind subconsciously looks for solutions to problems and if all the exits seem blocked, you lay down in the corner like the rats in the behavioral experiments bc there is no sense banging your head against a wall - might as well conserve energy. Of course, whether the exits really are blocked is another question and is the target for cognitive therapy since people often see things as impossible when they aren't.

Natural selection you little beta manlet

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

What'd you do to earn your vote?

ITT: nobody with a background in psych or medicine/pathology.
The monoamine hypothesis is not without it's flaws, but encapsulates quite well what we see in depression. Depression can be reactive or occur internally outside external influence, it's not just some obscure symptom of an imperfect society. It's generally considered a result of a neurochemical imbalance of underactive serotonergic neurons, particularly in the striatum, mesolimbic system and underactive adrenergic activity. War veterans are some of the most depressed individuals, you think they don't have any "honor"?
Mania is also not a "good" psychological state to have. People with mania are reckless, unable to control themselves and engage situations inappropriately similar to a drunk, people with bipolar often quote that it often becomes grating and very irritating to be in a manic state. Unipolar mania doesn't really exist so far as we know, it's always generally accompanied by a recursive depressive episode.
People saying that it's exercise or diet or attempting to condense depression down into a singular contributor are fucking clueless. External influences can have an impact, no doubt, but depression exists on its own regardless. Depression also exists in multiple forms, ie seasonal depression, MDD, reactive depression, etc.

Define "honour"

>I have done my research

I'm not trying to confuse them.
Capitalism converts our own values into market values.
Democracy converts the people's values into the polity's values. They work in tandem to politicize and capitalize on social or moral values that we hold dear.

I love my mother and father, for example; it goes without question, and I'd rather not question my love for my family. Capitalism is like that rich guy who comes along and say "How much money would it take to get you to kill your parents?".. And democracy is like allowing a mob to make that decision for you.
The question should never have been asked, and nobody except for the people involved should be able to make such a moral decision, lest we lose our moral fiber.

value to personally give to a merit after obtaining it by no monetary means

You got it. I'm a therapist and that's my personal theory too except the jew stuff in our food and water.

Compare early 20th century to 21st century societies. Back then, men do manly jobs like constructions, farming and etc while women tends to be at home or do some paperworks in the office.

I strongly believe that the onset of nu-males, libcucks and SJW of men are the understimulation of our physical bodies due to society not requiring those anymore. In fact, in America its even laughable to joke about honest hardworking laborers than fucking kikes at jewstreet.

nice try britbottle. I'm a 6'2, high test, pure math student about to get my PHD. I also lift and run every day and have had many gfs. never touch drugs anymore

I know what made me and makes most other men miserable, that's why I live totally different from them.

>Depression seems consistently correlated to people who lack honour
Huh

Well your """""research"""" is bogus friend

If I don't play along with you pretending to be a woman, you can't cope? Sounds an awful lot like schizophrenia.

48% of disgusting trannies are failure at suicide in addition to being complete failures at life.

>If they were gendered by how they "felt", and society treated them they way they felt, then they wouldn't be so suicidal.
even full acceptance only lowers it a bit, it can not fix the main issue of gdd and bdd which are lethal

interesting
but i think it's not just "lacking"
sometime it's also having"too much" in every emotion can break your brain-limit and make you feel depress

No offense, but academia is heavily politicized.
For the most part, medical science is in battle between "is" and "ought" and other semantics.
> Depression can be reactive or occur internally outside external influence
You're talking very semantically. "external influence"? What does that mean? If you take a rat, and put in a cage all of its life, would you honestly be surprised that it developed depression outside of "External influence"?

Not extroversion. I'm more introverted myself, because I'm not as socially dependent as some people.

You're just a faggot and a leaf

Its sad to experience life hearing all dat good stuff about your future life wife, childs, house, family, fun when you were young just to realize when you grew up that these things are harder to achive and
everything seems meaningless

i mean why should i marry now? i dont want to have childs or responsibility for them when we have ruling islam or this shit society and my opinion is labeled by "minoritys" as wrong and nazi

life is at the moment like a nightmare

m8 Achilles was a mentally ill faggot, Hector was the GOAT and he was a patriot

What is honor?

Is it really like that? Or is that just your image of the world? Sometimes we have to use the touchstone of tangibility to reign in our encumbering sense of the world.

I have been depressed for awhile. This year I took a lot of time off of work to just do martial arts, cardio and yoga every day and eat right. I lost 15 lbs in 3 months so far. I won't say that I'm cured but there have been yuuuge improvements. We often try to think our way out of depression instead of using the natural chemicals our body has to keep us feeling good, which are often secreted in response to exercising and moving.

I'll be going overseas over the winter to do a martial arts and fitness training camp for 3 months. Engaging the body, getting sunshine and being in nature is far far better than taking SSRIs.

Losing weight, building muscle and strength, stretching out stiff limbs seems to just magically improve your outlook and attracts chicks like crazy (whether they are worthy of your new Arnold-like body is a different story).

>A bit
I think that's an understatement.
If I was born in the body of a woman, I think I'd be happy if I passed a man. But given that I wouldn't have a dick, the fears and anxiety would keep me locked within myself for the most part. If we were in a completely accepting society where genitalia was overlooked, that wouldn't be a problem.

I guess you'd be right in saying that it sounds a lot like schizophrenia, except for the voices, the hallucinations, etc. So basically, not like schizophrenia at all.

Did you mean to say that they lack respect. Lacking honor is a personal trait caused by ones own actions. A liar lacks honor. A thief lacks honor. A person breaks an honor code by cheating.

Is it your intent to say that trans people lack honor or is it your intent to say that they lack respect?

yes. add to that the death of idealism. post-modernism and post-irony are cancers of the soul.
= intellectually overgrown, emotionally stumped, physically frail.

why do you think this whole kek thing is so popular on Sup Forums? because even if it post-ironic in nature, it brings people together to work towards a common goal = revives idealism,

>intellectually overgrown, emotionally stumped, physically frail.

That's me to a T. How do I begin to improve myself, Sup Forumsrades?

>Capitalism converts our own values into market values.
And what is the market? Voluntary transactions with other people to mutual benefit. Are you saying your values should be self-centered? That you shouldn't care about being of value to others and that others shouldn't care about being of value to you in return?

Capitalism is literally just private property. How does your right to decide what you do with your property have to do with some bogeyman offering you to sell out your family?

Capitalism boils down to the principle that you have to offer others value if you expect them to do anything for you. What sorts of things hold value is is up to your family to install in you, be it religion or material goods, virtue or vice. For you to want to sell your family would require them to have completely messed up in raising you.

Depression is rage turned inwards

MAKE US GREAT AGAIN

MUGA

He's off base but a better way to put it would be
>Depression is when your real self and ideal self are too dissimilar
Obviously it's straight up impossible for transgender people to achieve their ideal self, hence why we should be telling them to be more realistic instead of encouraging their fantasies if we really want to help them.

ITP: a faggot

>No offense, but academia is heavily politicized.
Academia isn't without its biases, publishers are always asking for high impact scores and novel outcomes and the confidence interval dictates 1 in every 20 papers is going to be a false positive, but in terms of objective truth it is the closest possible thing, ESPECIALLY when it comes to matters that are measurable and testable ie biology and within that, depression. It is miles beyond personal anecdote in terms of bearing actual credence.
>You're talking very semantically. "external influence"?
This is a pretty easy concept to grasp, what are you having trouble with? People in totally outwardly perfect lives can develop depression. People in horrible situations can develop depression. Depression exists outside AND inside external influence. This insinuates a biological pathogenesis of depression which can be verified when we see a clinical improvement of about 60% of depressive patients on SSRI's which increase serotonergic activity.

I don't know if I can define what honour means today; that's up to you guys. But what I can say is that the old meaning of Honour is more similar to our definition of depression and mania.
If I could redefine it, Honour is socially validated grandiosity or mania.

>If I was born in the body of a woman, I think I'd be happy if I passed a man
ftm trannies easily pass since second puberty from testosterone hence you never hear about them

Even 100% acceptance can not rid someone of full body dysmorphia, normal bdd is bad but usually just one arm or hand, gender based bdd is the entire body and very severe like seeing yourself as disfigured from a fire.

trust me senpai I know this stuff, I get the comparison you were trying to make for your other argument but it's just not even close to the true situation, I believe the whole acceptance thing is just something libs push to further their goal of word policing everyone calling misgendering hate speech

Being depressed means you are a weak person. Committing suicide means you are a coward who runs away from his problems instead of dealing with them.

I hate when people talk about depression like it's an illness. It's not an illness, it's just you acting like a stupid and scared kid. I also get depressed from time to time, but I immediately face my problems and recover in a few mins. Stop acting like you are helpless and toughen up. Be strong like me.

Tranny loving fag. Your post literally makes no sense. The fact that a sex change doesn't help with their depression proves it's a mental illness dumbass

easy: do everything that makes you the polar opposite of what I described.

Lift, run, eat correctly, medidate ( not in a cyclical self-destructive rational way, try to find inner peace, concentrate on good memories each day... and yes, it's hard in the beginning but stick with it). if you are low test, which you prob are, this will make an immense difference

learn the true biological purpose of men and women but don't let the knoweldge embitter you like MGTOW/sluthate fags

find something you believe in, an ideal, a philosophy, a religion, soul-search, step away from the millenial hyper-individualism mindset

I was like you once, you can change, but you're fighting a lonely battle in an environment that wants to bring you down, try to surround you, if possible, with like-minded people

How can you have honor if you have no society?

Rohnin have no honor.

i can relate to your feeling. But without our actions it won't crash by itself

>just get over it brah, it's all in your head

t. normie

Depression is direct result of education, that enforces anti-natural beliefs in people, so they pursue some SJW-bullshit instead of their happiness.

What is serotonin.

Depression isn't always an illness, sometimes it's simply the result of bad life choices or living a life of denial, but there are people who do simply have fucked up brain chemistry due to various biological reasons.

What the fuck does this have to do with politics? Go to /r9k/.

>Depression is lack of honour

how our mirrors eyes if our mirrors aren't real?