Ukrainian civil war - WHY?

There is a consistent missing link or at least something that I'm failing to see. Why did the civil war start against the Russian speakers of east Ukraine? I know I'm late to the party.

As far as I know this is how the conflict developed;

>Pro-EU protesting begins in November 2013, because Yanokovych backed out of EU deal for a "better" deal with Putin.

I've read that Putin was not against Ukraine having economic relations with Russia while also being part of the EU. (if there was any credibility to this) So why attempt to overthrow the government if they potentially could have both.

>Pro-EU protests were also filled with right-wing extremist groups. (Svoboda, Right Sector etc.)

These guys are NatSoc, why would they support a pro-EU protest?

>Protesters get shot & killed by some independently acting party, supposedly funded by the U.S

>They get angry and threaten the government with violence

>Yanokovych bails & gets replaced with U.S appointed Yanokovych 2.0. Nothing changes.

>Suddenly these neo-nazis are working with the government.

>Russian speakers of Ukraine peacefully occupy government buildings in East Ukraine and want Ukraine to be a republic so they too can have a voice.

Basically protesting against the same government corruption shit as these Euromaidan protesters.

>Get labelled as terrorists and start bombing the shit out of them

This is the part that I've yet to see discussed in my limited research. What sparked this Russian hate? After everything was seemingly resolved, suddenly there is a civil war. Last minute switch of hate from the government to pro-Russian Ukranians. Did they even do anything?

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There is no civil war.
>wear insignia
>russian soldier
>take insignias off
>pro-russian separatist
It was a straight up invasion. gg wp

>ukraine
>ukrainian
>ukrainians

Imagine starting a civil war to JOIN the EU. What a bunch of cucks.

Yet they seem to be bombing civilians in the east. Or are these Russian pretenders responsible for that too?

Is this just some stalling operation, where Putin keeps the country in perpetual state of war until he's done with his pipeline through Syria?

subhuman russians stirred up shit so they could invade crimea, it's not a civil war but one nation invading another

As part of the Western encirclement strategy against Russia, they destabilized the Ukraine and overthrew the government. Crimea and Donbas rebelled against the putschist regime, with Crimea joining Russia and the two eastern republics becoming separate Russia-friendly states. Huge failure all in all considering that the most economically valuable part of the country is out, Russia's Crimean base is safe, and the West is left with a bankrupt failed rump state of a country.

The neo-nazis you see running around with nazi signs etc. aren't actually ideologically motivated; they are just rabidly russophobic thugs who use WW2 symbolism to signify how much they hate Russia.

What evidence is there for their invasion other than western media?

Sure, they might have some Russian military pretending to be separatists, but that's like saying US is playing an equal role in stirring shit by funding neo-nazis and fucking with their government using CIA agents.

Why can't the Ukrainian people stop playing this political game and instead protest for US and Russia to leave them the fuck alone.

It's clear that the situation was created by a combination of the CIA and the EU/Germany. It was what is called putsch. George Soros also had a hand in it in the usual way - funding NGOs with subversive aims. Putin was forced into a reaction. If you want to know moar, watch this.
youtu.be/3CNeDtZmpjU

There's no civil war.
The war is in between Ukrainian army and Russian mercenaries and covert ops.

This is literally the fucking truth.

There is no invasion. It's "Iraqi WMDs"-tier fanfiction, fueled by stupid, lying, over-the-top Ukie propaganda.

Yes, that's pretty much it. Watch this for full context.
youtu.be/3CNeDtZmpjU

>why would they support a pro-EU protest?
>Basically protesting against the same government corruption shit as these Euromaidan protesters.

Urine is awfully poor, especially now lol.
They were promissed a much greener pasture of being under the west rather than under Russia, so they grabbed their hope of getting into EU like Poland and Bulgaria who also are Slavic shitholes but with EU they are doing much better.

>What evidence is there for their invasion other than western media?

the fact russia unlawfully claims and occupies crimea? do you have learning disabilities?

>Ukrainian civil war - WHY?
Because ukrainians are not russians. They don't want eternally be piss poor.

>They don't want eternally be piss poor.

Except they are 2x poorer than Russians lol

I can see why you'd empathize with the hohols. Neither of you are a real country.

The US and EU propped up the groups that are anti-Russia and handed them the government.

The Russian backed leaders got the boot. Pro Russia east Ukraine bailed with Russian aid (and force).

I don't see a reason to reunite them honestly. No one has made a strong case why it must be part of the Ukraine.

>They don't want eternally be piss poor.
Then why did they base entirety of their economic system in getting gas for free from russia for transit while also stealing the transit gas?

Yeah, that happened after russia decided to fuck shit up. At least they tried to do something. Maybe eventually fortune will smile upon them.

>Unlawfully occupies Crimea

Crimea is allowed to have Russian troops, they were stationed there lawfully by treaty.

Then the public holds a referendum and votes to join Russia. Have you actually been to Crimea? I have. There are barely any Ukrainians there.

fpbp

and you consider serbia a real country? Don't make me laugh...

What about referendum and Crimeans self identifying as Russians?

California has barely any americans there too. Does it mean it's mexican clay now?

If they hold a leave referendum they are.

This whole think about pro-EU vs Pro-Russia is just a cover. The real conflict was between different factions within Ukrainian elites. Basically, Ukrainians oligarchs from Central and Western parts of the country vs Eastern oligarchs allied with Ukrainian/Russian Mafia.

>Then the public holds a referendum and votes to join Russia.
And stop with this fucking bullshit. There were literally no independent observers, who could've confirmed the legitimacy of this "referendum".

If they really wanna hold a referendum and join Mexico, sure. They would need the approval of all the other states though. Because USA is a republic, while Ukraine is not.

This conflict serves as one of many examples that multiculturalism doesn't work well.

An upcoming EU expansion. Ukraine, Turkey, Albania, you got out just in time.

There is also no one to confirm it wasn't legitimate. I guess we are both in the same boat of not knowing how it really went down.

This

Crimea actually had support for joining Russia, but there is no "civil war" in the east, only FSB-controlled militias backed up by covert Russian military operations

They only send mechanized infantry there with occasional tank regiments
maybe artillery too
all of the above in quite limited quantities, and they are only used in situations of critical importance, such as in Ilovaisk
I'd say our military is far more deeply involved with Syria

Crimeans really would want to join russia.

It's a massive step up from one shitjole to a significantly better shithole.
They got their pensions trippled and the value of their houses and shit increased several times over.
Russia >>>>>>> Ukraine
Especially when you're a tourism and economy sweetspot attracting russians to chill by the sea and chinks to build trade ports

youtube.com/watch?v=hMVfN5AF0dI

yugoslavia
chechnya
georgia
color revolutions
arab spring

yeah who knows

Reminder about the Joe Biden family Ukrainian oil company connection.

Are russians ok being poor? Are they just used to it and figure that's how life will always be? I hear Moscow and St. Pete have a good middle class, but outside of those cities it's a lot of poverty and just farms and no real wealth as we would define it. Is this true?

Maidan was staged by americans, they had same people shoot protesters and the police. Putin had to respond to the american aggression so he took crimae. Russians living in east ukraine rebel and start kicking ukrainian asses with russian support. They take donbas, odessa and some other regions. In total standoff since then.

Nothing more to it really, there was no change in this situation for years now.

Asuka > Rei

WRONG

Yeah totally, they can't even use credit cards, tourism is dead. What else did i forgot? So, stop with this shilling. I'm not some delusional canadian.

West got involved in Ukranian politics to get them over to NATO and join the EU, Russia was one step ahead of them and rallied support in Donbass and annexed Crimea. They annexed Crimea for one very particular reason: warm water ports. If Russia wants a blue water capable navy, and they've been cozying up with Turkey recently to have a path to the world's oceans year round.

Russia is literally doing nothing wrong.

>Are russians ok being poor?
We're quite a lot better off than half of the world.
Well right now people are pretty discontent and depressed under economic sanctions, before that they were pretty fucking OK and positive

Actually russians have seen shit way tougher than this, the 90s right after USSR collapsed could only be described as disaster. Right now it's more of an inconvenience.

>Yeah totally, they can't even use credit cards,
It's not us.
Butthurt west cut them off from most services after they held a legal referendum and shit.

Crimeans being cut off credit cards has nothing to do with Russia.

ASnd this cannot be justified.
If Crimea is annexed by force - not their fault
If Crimea is democraticly transferred by referendum - DEAL WITH IT

Either way the Europe and the west are doing this to Crimeans and there's no fucking way to justify it.

Actually there literally were independent observers, just not at every polling station. Rebels wouldn't allow them in some and intimidated them.

Some stations were deemed authentic, others were not. Doesn't matter during a war.

As long there is dead ukranians i am happy.

What's a Ukranian?

>liking a autistic semi retard

When will the war restart? I want some happenings.

A what?

> Ukraine

Stop it

>ukrainians keep calling us ''brothers'' and what not and keep telling us this is the same as the war in yugoslavia in hopes we will support them
>most of us dont support them, and the rest of us dont really care enough about the conflict to be picking sides
>our US puppet government and media supports them and keeps pushing a rethoric how you are not a patriot unless you support ukraine
>ukrainians now think we are on their side

>polish
>intellectuals

The Clinton Foundation tie-in post

>Victor Pinchuk, was a former member of the Ukrainian Parliament and a strong advocate of Neoliberalism in Ukraine. Pinchuk became wealthy during chaotic privatization of large state enterprises after the country’s separation from the Soviet Union.

>In return, the Clinton Global Initiative which is a wing of the Clinton Foundation that coordinates charitable projects but does not handle money, made a pledge to Mr. Pinchuk, to train future Ukrainian leaders. Several alumni from this training program are now in the current Ukraine Parliament. The same government that came to power after the bloody coup d’etat.
Pinchuk seems to assert quite a lot of influence on the Clintons
wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/54379

>Nuland heavily involved (f you don't already know this....)
Victoria Nuland, assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, who has been the lead U.S. point person for the Ukraine crisis was a deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs under the Bill Clinton administration. Nuland also served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.

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Do you honestly think you're the good guys ?
Let's pretend for a second you don't have a moblike shadow government getting richer by the second and killing all opposition.
Let's pretend you don't have a KGB or whatever you're naming it atm controlling the press on your country or anything of the sort, whatever you do, sure as hell it is not in the interest of anybody else but Russia and maybe China.
If, as a consequence anyone profit from this situation, well, good, you can claim you're the helping hand, otherwise Russia don't actually give a fuck.
You can talk about EU, "the west" and by that I think you mean the UN because you don't even consider the United States of America as having as much power as they do because they're not intent on Global Domination.
Basically the world have three totalitarian movements going on, UN+EU - globalists in gneeral -, Russia + China and their respective allies and the Islamic Faith in general... each holding dear to their own revolutionary perspectives and fighting on different "planes".
The US is not fighting for world domination therefore they're not even an enemy with coohesiveness enough to be considered by you as such.
Whatever you're sprouting regarding local situations will always drag towards your view and not reality, you'll just follow your ideology and maybe some Aleksandr Dugin point of view.
Just stop. Cease the propaganda.

Do you or do you not know about George Soros?
If you understand that the "civil war" was a matter of paid opportunists and not ideology or organic grassroots sentiment (cf BLM), then why are you asking more questions?

Why are their Israeli drones being shot down over the Donbas :^)

I dont see the world in black and white.

CIA toppled the regime in a strategicly important ally right next to our capital with an intention of building nato bases there in future.
Russian actions in Ukraine are vital to Russia's survival and physical security from a possible invasion.

The west made us do it. They put us in a position where we had to secure Crimea and novorossia to secure Black Sea, our own fleet and the border. So we had to grab Crimea and create Novorossia in order to keep our own asses safe from western agression.

However going from Ukraine to Russia is beneficial and pretty much desired by most eastern Ukrainians and especially Crimeans. They dont even speak Ukrainian for fucks sake and they have families and relatives in Russia.

And you know what?
Russians and Ukrainians are still sorta friends as people, I could just go to Kiev right now and nobody is gonna chase me with a pitchfork as an enemy or whatever.

literally the same here

>why would they support a pro-EU protest?
because ukrainian chauvinists are pro-european and anti-russian. One ideologue of ukrainian nationalism was inspired by german writings and they were supported by Austria. Just read about the ukrainian history

>There were literally no independent observers, who could've confirmed the legitimacy of this "referendum".

So you're just going to assume that it's illegitimate? Do you have a single piece of evidence?

It's been two years, pretty sure if the Crimean people were unhappy, you'd have heard about it...

>The US is not fighting for world domination

Hey, how are all those banana republics doing?

Like I said, you claim it's not "black and white" but the example you set is exactly that...
To you, and to others that follow an ideology... it is set in this form and never changes, we are an "ally" or an "enemy", it's not because the main KGB portion of your country have not as much impact as the satellite countries you set as intelligence and propaganda towards third world countries like my own and most people are oblivious to the fact that you let places like Romenia deal with us back in the day of the USSR that this situation changed now...
It's ok that you don't have Hollywood movies about your secret service, and your president can go around on national television and make claims like "We don't spend as much as the US on defense and intelligence" that this fact holds true, the fact remains that the Archives of Moscow were openned for enough time for people to actually take a look at it and see how enormous is the Russian grip in the whole world, the US included...
You might not boast out of the advantage that it brings to you, but that does not mean other people don't see you for what you trully are.
You had 500 thousand agents on URSS alone, does anyone have a number on CIA personel so we can set an example.
Most of the things people here attribute to jews, russians included, were part of the problem you guys over there created seeking control of other nations, and this holds true today as well.

>Why did the civil war start against the Russian speakers of east Ukraine?
Because a bunch of Russian diaspora thought that because they wanted to be dirty Russians again that Ukraine doesn't deserve the land anymore and Russia started supplying weapons and then eventually sent in military to take it
Ie:Chimpout instead of just saying hey Russia we want to be Russian can be come to Russia? To which the reply would have been"fuck yeah we would love more sla-glorious citizens!"
But Russiastan wanted to steal Ukrainian clay because they want the whole country and this is the best way to start.
Russiboo commieshits and literal Russian shills will try to say otherwise, but this is how it is and Trump WILL make him give the land back one way or another
The real question is how will the Ukrainians destroy both mosques that the fuckin pinkos built in Crimea since they have taken over

>Do you honestly think you're the good guys ?
>add lands that want in Russia
>support lands hat want out of Ukrane
>hohols actively hate civilians in those lands, just read their posts, some nazi-tier screams
>Russia you not good because West does not approves of your doings

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Just give them visa-free EU travel and 50 gorillion euros yearly already you monsters. People died on maidan fighting Putin for that.

Basically, Putin wants to take more eastern euro clay but he doesn't have the capital to do it right now and there are a fuckton of more factors than there were when he first invaded.
Geopolitics is a bitch and he has to do a lot of shuffling before he can move in any farther
He better hurry though, the EU is starting to take matters into their own hands now that Trump told them to get their heads out of their asses and Trump won't let him take more clay do he has to hurry otherwise he will get stalled and then booted out of Crimea

Basically, Putin secured his naval base in Crimea and created a frozen conflict pushing Ukraine decades away from entering NATO or EU. He gives no fucks about "Novorossiya" or muh clay.

It's a proxy war.

Someone photoshop the Department of State logo in place of the CIA one and the pic will be perfect.

The media is right though
If you don't support Ukraine you support Russia automatically which if you aren't retarded you know supporting Russiastan is the opposite of patriotism

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>live in middle of nowhere where nothing ever happens since ww2
>so secure and safe and peaceful
>subhuman muslims or retarded balkan slavs can kill each other but we're fine
>shit starts
>crazy hohol nationalists and army from 40kk country come
>crazy russian volunteers from 150kk country come
>FUUUU-

I didn't said any of those things, if your argument is to win a discussion and not discuss we will end up trading pointless acusations that will not change anything, I made questions because I wanted information.
I don't represent anyone, don't stand for nobody, but as an individual I want to know what goes on in the mind of people that think that changing the world towards their views will make the world better.
pro-tip : Your revolutions only killed millions of people so far and changed absolutely nothing, talk about changing "shit-tier countries" when you, years ago, killed your own population by starvation and mass murdering unnarmed civilians and people that actually helped you on your revolution, to your eyes I might not be more than a dog, but as a dog I think I can still bark, no ? That is... before you guys decide to put a gun to my mouth.

Except East Ukraine held their own referendums to become independent republics and appointed their own governing bodies. Which are obviously viewed as illegitimate by the Ukrainian government.

They want to join with Russia, however Putin has already given a response to this by saying that's not gonna happen. Whether that is true or not, nobody really knows.

I never fell for the meme to begin with
Its funny how often Russia can screw over people and yet whenever they poke their heads up in a country there is a base of people who say RUSSIA YES! even though history has proven that literally every time they do anything they fuck over that entire country kek

>supporting Russiastan is the opposite of patriotism
Big words from land which rulers take money form saudis and support al qaeda.

>Except East Ukraine held their own referendums to become independent republics
And that was illegal
You have a lot of red tape to go through in order to hold referendums which they didn't do at all which makes what they did illegal as fuck
You of all fucking people should know this, Farage had to bust his ass for months to get the EU Referendum o go through for voting
Also
>Russians live in a foreign country
>Want to become Russian
>Instead of moving there they decide to steal the clay of the current nation they are in and giving it to Russia
Kill yourself commie

And yet you like a proper good goy believe that Maidan was a grassroots revolution and that Putin actually gives a shit about eastern euro countries now.
He doesn't. Russians fuck with us, we fuck with them, it's a cycle of difficult neighborly relations.
Entire Ukraine bonanza was about Crimea. The west wanted a NATO base there. Putin needs his naval base there as it's vital for Russian integrity. That's all there is to it.

Oh really. Ukrainian constitution allows referendums and UN stance on minorities declaring self-government is pro-minority.
As it was with Kosovo for example.

>And that was illegal
Yeah let's overthrow elected government and complain about legality issues to people that elected it and now that new meme is they're subhuman scum want the fuck out.

You gotta admit it was a solid plan until it actually came time to pay up

>american education at it's finest
There have to be independent (from other countries) observers (in such cases as Crimea), who can confirm the legitimacy of this "referendum"

This. Watch the same thing happen in Latvia and every single country from the ex-USSR.

russian people are getting pissed at the government, ruble is tanking, putin invades ukraine, sanctions placed on russia, russia can now blame the usa for the economic downturn. now instead of being mad at the russian government the russians are mad at the usa. honestly i'm tried of russia's shit. once we can eliminate their nuclear capabilities i say we invade

>Le taking money from SA is bad
Says the country that's 20% Muslim and is run by globalists
We invented fucking patriotism you Mong fuck

Kosovo had no referendum, no need for uga-boogas to vote on matters already decided by higher power.

patriotism has a completely different meaning in the us
pretty sure it means self-righteous bootlicking halfwit
at least, that's what most of the ones that call themselves patriot appear to be

Still the decision was made with bias towards the minority in question. And that's consistent on the UN's stance on this matter.

Well, they always can revolt n shiet x). But like you said, they are russians, so they love to live v gavno.

Big words from land responsible for manufacturing rulers poisoned by this horrific ideology, plaguing the whole west with liberalism, incentives to crime, drug traficking, but hey... all for the revolution, aye ?

>Watching this much Russia Today.

kill yourself, drone.

I'm so fuckin glad someone cleared this shit up for me. This is the explanation I've waited for for years.

Literally who the fuck fucking cares about Ukraine? It's a bunch of slavshits complaining over nothing in order to get free money and EU membership so they can move like rats to the richer nations and bleed them dry like the other slavshits have done.

Let them eat each other, I really don't care, you don't care, the Russians don't care, the Ukrainians don't care, no one on this planet cares!

Ukraine is just attention seeking at this point, they are jealous of America getting all the press with Trump so they're acting like Israel and going "LOOK AT ME I EXIST, THE BIG BAD RUSHAR IS HURTING ME LOLO EVEN THO WE'RE THE ONES STARTING SHIT FOR NO REASON LMAO!!!!"

Fuck them, let them get nuked and die screaming in fire and acid and daggers. Fucking pieces of scum scudge.

If they wanted to pull this you'd already have increasing pro-Russian sentiments in your Russian minority. Same for say, Estis.
Are there such sentiments?