Alright Sup Forums help me to understand what the FUCK is actually going on out in Dakota.
I'm going to gather my thoughts the best I can. Why is it that we are currently valuing a faster means of transporting oil over that of human life. Why is it that Americans are only allowed to protest peacefully as long as it doesn't affect big money industries. Why is it acceptable at all that these protests are being broken up via the violent means that are coming from the militarized police? Why is this story BARELY making it into main stream media at all?
I need FACTS people. I don't care to try to interpret the news sources as they are ALL biased. I know there's gotta be reasoning on both sides, but from where I stand this is getting WAY out of hand via the side of the Government.
America has a history of disrespect towards both Native American treaties, and the people themselves. The trail of tears, Indian reservations being forced into the shittiest parts of America, systematic racism and blatant disregard for the culture of this proud section of American society.
Why are we as a nation standing by and allowing this to happen? Why aren't the masses absolutely ENRAGED by this?
I'm not an idiot, I understand there is a lot more to this than what I understand which is why I want Sup Forums to explain to me (if y'all can) what in the FUCK is going on?!
I can go on...but it's nothing more than more and more questions piling up. Someone please tell me that the stories are wrong, the protesters are really rioting and police are simply defending their lives and the lives of the innocent, because to me it looks to me like the police are literally serving as a military presence for the elite of this country.
Energy Transfer and 2 other oil companies made the mistake of hiring a security team with a checkered past in combat zones around the world. That company treated Native Americans like Muslims in a combat zone. The security team led by inexperienced people used dogs on protesters as well as chemicals. People got upset.
There it is.
Xavier Taylor
>I'm not an idiot Yes, you are.
>disrespect toward Native American Well, I know someone who has never lived near Plains-Niggers before!
I have a lot of friends in the area. They say everyone except the Injuns hates the protestors and actually wants them all killed. Even most of the Injuns are getting sick of them because 75% are outsiders who don't know shit about North Dakota and they are clogging up the highway, making everyone's life miserable.
Lincoln Allen
I remember that happening, but that's a relatively small happening in the greater scheme of what is going on.
>The North Dakota protest site at the reservation of the Standing Rock Sioux has grown into “the largest gathering of Native Americans in more than 100 years,” reports the BBC. The protesters, who have gathered together from multiple tribes, and others supporting the cause, say they are taking a stand for future generations against the four-state Dakota Access Pipeline Project. The gathering is “historic,” Judith LeBlanc, director of the New York-based Native Organizers Alliance, told ABC News, adding, “There’s never been a coming together of tribes like this.”
The Natives are rising in numbers and that's not something that I like to take bets against. Win or lose Natives ALWAYS put up a hell of a fight in American History. Not to mention it seems to me that they have the moral high ground in this situation.
Samuel Foster
So they used an effective security team to remove illegal trespassers off their land?
Elijah Adams
So I think the point you are trying to make is that they are annoying so they've earned what's coming to them? If so cool, keep looking the other way but don't be surprised when there is no one left to help you out when the government decides its time to come after whatever the fuck it is you support.
Also, feel free to try to use some actual facts rather than "Mah friends dun had told me that them there injuns are no good!"
Christian Cruz
regardless of how le edgy alt-right you are, you simply can't just kill and main people in a civilized country to get your way, it's unsustainable
Nathaniel Jones
>American """Intellectual"""
Luke Cooper
>There land >Acquired via eminent domain >Acquired in violation of Indian Treaties
Gee I wonder why the Indians are all mad that some corporate entity is using the power of the federal government to steal there land, and run potentially damaging infrastructure threw it. Gee golly whats wrong with those Indians.
Leo Torres
>Why is it that Americans are only allowed to protest peacefully as long as it doesn't affect big money industries.
That's a good question, better just blame white people.
Aaron Sanders
Most of the concern has to do with worries regarding pollution of drinking water upstream from the river where a large reserve is located.
Secondary concerns involve disturbing sacred sites (there are no real sacred sites) and how the land which the pipeline is being built was actually originally part of a treaty the government signed with the natives in 1850 but ignored a decade later.
I worked for the Canadian nuclear regulator for a few months and all these natives are the same. Skip out on the hearings to present their concerns, then chimp out to get their way.
Jeremiah Kelly
Useful idiots who have no clue why they're protesting. Indians wanted more money, didn't get it, and are chimping out. There are already several pipelines where this one is going, they aren't protecting anything.
Joseph Jones
Not any more they are dieing and killing themselves
Ian Johnson
>A total of 167 demonstrators have been injured while protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota, according to a medic on site, as cited by Indigenous Rising Media. Police are reportedly targeting demonstrators’ heads and legs. Seven people have been hospitalized for severe head injuries. Three of those injured are reportedly elders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe.
Not necessarily a credible source but I'm just starting to dig into this particular story. Someone come through with some sources for me to check out. Both sides of the story are welcome. Although this seems to be more heavily covered by left leaning news outlets.
Jacob Morales
Kek, fuck these people. I work in downtown houston, and twice I've seen these smelly shit stains protesting outside an oil company about the Dakota pipeline. They're all drum circle queers and white guilt cucks who wear shirts that say #staywoke. The worst part is they bring their little children with them to get the indoctrination started early.
Elijah Ward
you dumb nigger natives are the biggest growing demographic
Charles Harris
Modern natives are drunken retards. The mercs should just mow them down and let the oil flow.
Jackson Bennett
I don't know why this flag is in Dakota
Christian Wilson
They see the pipeline as a potential hazard if a disaster were to occur but fail to realize that shipping oil by truck instead is more dangerous but gets less news attention because it's a serious of small accidents as opposed to one large one.
John Cox
>skip out of hearings
yeah lets have hearings about how businesses can just take over treaty land. why would anyone even attend that? its a joke concept.
Easton Russell
>Not to mention it seems to me that they have the moral high ground in this situation.
>in this situation
All situations
Nathaniel Reyes
>Most of the concern has to do with worries regarding pollution of drinking water upstream from the river where a large reserve is located.
Yeah I've seen this quoted a lot when it comes referenced in articles and such. It's the Ogallala Aquifer and it covers most of the middle of North America. Pic related
Nicholas Flores
>Why is it that Americans are only allowed to protest peacefully as long as it doesn't affect big money industries
You can protest about bathrooms, what celebrities said and each other.
Gabriel Edwards
a bunch of native shitskins think they own land they dont.
Cameron Wright
And this
Oliver Johnson
Lol why are they writing in le evil white mans language
Wyatt White
looks like an AA meeting
Jaxson Wilson
there was some based ND bro in one of these threads like a month ago that layed it out very clearly from someone's perspective who lived around there.
I think part of what he said was that basically the natives were pissed that the pipeline DIDNT go through their land so they couldn't get the money that came with it.
I don't really remember it was a long time ago. hopefully he jumps in here to explain it better
Anthony Davis
>elders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe. they wouldn't show up for all those hearings but they showed up for this?
Samuel Butler
No, the point I'm trying to make is they are a bunch of violent thugs who are trying to destabilize a peaceful region.
>muh actual facts
Here's the actual facts. Plains-niggers had a chance to buy the land, or even to complain, but they were too lazy to show up at the meeting. There are already pipelines going across the river, so that excuse is bullshit. The "protestors" are starting fires in the middle of plains-country, killing cattle and livestock on innocent farmers lands, have already fired multiple gun-shots at innocent people just trying to get home, and have caused tens of thousands of dollars in property damage. The most ironic part is they've basically ruined the nearby Injun town, and now every non-protesting Injun literally needs to drive two hours out of the way to get home.
Next time try to talk to people who actually live there instead of getting your news from literal faggots. Punk ass bitch, come fight me.
Lincoln Perez
Oh also there is already a natural gas pipeline already running through the same spot they are protesting
Carter Sanchez
This is a racket practised by all native groups.
In New Zealand, if you want to build a road or dam on some new land, you will be met with protests by Maoris claiming 'scared ground' and 'taniwhas' (mythical creatures. The only remedy is a big pile of cash.
In Australia, if you try to mine in a new area, Aboriginal protesters will crawl from the woodwork and claim 'connection to the land and ancestors' will be spoiled. The only remedy is a big pile of cash.
In Canada, if you try to drill for oil Eskimos will make up bogus claims about harm to the environment and sacred land. The only remedy is a big pile of cash.
In Dakota, the story is the same. Have you got a big enough pile?
William Roberts
Sorry chief firewater, your water is about to actually be set on fire.
Nathaniel Moore
>implying teepee niggers squatting on land puts it the the "highest and best" use
get fucked these cavemen have no standing
Chase Hill
wtf i love leafs now
David Howard
There you go, those sir are called facts. Heavily opinionated facts but facts none-the-less. That's what this thread is about is talking to different views. You have the view of someone who knows the area better than us through your friends.
What pipelines are going across the rivers already? I'll begin looking myself right now too.
>The "protestors" are starting fires in the middle of plains-country, killing cattle and livestock on innocent farmers lands, have already fired multiple gun-shots at innocent people just trying to get home, and have caused tens of thousands of dollars in property damage.
This the shit I'm talking about. This is a liberal heavy story in the few media outlets that report it, I want to hear both sides of it, and this is side #2. Any sources for anything, what do you have?
Juan Roberts
>triggered plains-nigger.
Wyatt Reed
im gay
Landon Gonzalez
This pipeline is not being being built on their land. The company went out of its way to reroute the pipeline so it wouldn't be on their land. You can see the curve.
All these people consume energy. They are hypocrites. I could care less if the pipeline gets built. Im a truck driver and this takes a ton of trucks of the roads, but I am not going to cry about it.
Isaiah Ross
leave this place. it is not for you.
Jayden Murphy
>I have friends in the area >Everyone except the Injuns >Even most of the injuns
Come on buddy, at least try to give 1 fact other than using normiebook opinions.
Luis Garcia
they want to build a pipeline through land that is adjacent to sioux land. they have literally nothing to complain about
Christopher Scott
>>The North Dakota protest site at the reservation of the Standing Rock Sioux has grown into “the largest gathering of Native Americans in more than 100 years,”
Time to pass out some blankets for real this time.
Benjamin Phillips
>What pipelines are going across the rivers already? I'll begin looking myself right now too.
Adrian Rogers
I don't have a facebook. Everyone except the Injuns who are protesting, dipwad. Most of the Injuns are not protesting.
I know the area pretty well, and I'm still in contact with the people who live there. That is what we call "primary sources". You've read some media articles. They sent reporters and talked to people who are there. I have primary sources. You have secondary sources. Even in your gay little colleges, I would still have more authority.
Jeremiah Thomas
Depends on the circumstances
Dominic Robinson
the level of stupid ITT has reached critical levels
Please dont post important intellectual discussions on real issues and present it to the yokels and shills of pol
Angel Peterson
It's gonna fuck their water source I think.
Michael Wilson
Here's the economic stand point behind the construction of DAPL (daplpipelinefacts.com/ straight from energy transfer)
>The Dakota Access Pipeline Project is a new approximate 1,172-mile, 30-inch diameter pipeline that will connect the rapidly expanding Bakken and Three Forks production areas in North Dakota to Patoka, Illinois. The pipeline will enable domestically produced light sweet crude oil from North Dakota to reach major refining markets in a more direct, cost-effective, safer and environmentally responsible manner. The pipeline will also reduce the current use of rail and truck transportation to move Bakken crude oil to major U.S. markets to support domestic demand.
>It will transport approximately 470,000 barrels per day with a capacity as high as 570,000 barrels per day or more – which could represent approximately half of Bakken current daily crude oil production. Shippers will be able to access multiple markets, including Midwest and East Coast markets as well as the Gulf Coast via the Nederland, Texas crude oil terminal facility of Sunoco Logistics Partners.
I just lost work in Manufacturing in TX not too long ago, I can definitely understand the enormous benefits the pipeline could have for me personally. I'm working in a completely unrelated field now and I miss my work
Kevin Jackson
The land they're protesting on is not part of the standing rock reservation. its north of the town of cannon ball which is the northern most town on the reservation.
the few maps showing the pipeline crossing "indian land" isn't near where they are protesting...
Brody Jenkins
Gotcha I missed it earlier. So the environment in the area is already fucked should a leak occur; all the new pipeline does is create the same risk in a different part of the river. So the environmental strong-hold loses a lot of ground
Michael Jenkins
natural gas is a bit different. More explody but less polluty
Nathan Scott
The plains niggers and their luvvers need to BTFO
John Hall
I didn't realize this but after looking at ND's finances they're actually rich as fuck. They're swimming in oil money and with a low white trash/nigger/spic population, they don't need to waste it on welfare like Texas
Nathan Reed
they just discovered the largest oil field in the lower 48 states ever in west texas a few days ago. You might just be able to get back into the industry soon bruh
Charles Martin
OP here I'm gonna go cook dinner and check back in a bit. Everyone keep discussing and bring me some facts and sources to go through
Camden Kelly
Mostly because it doesn't go through their fucking land and doesn't' endanger the lives of anyone. IF oil pipelines were an existential threat, Texas would've been extinct by now.
Jaxon Davis
>chugs getting btfo If only this could happen here >dear santa...
Carter Moore
Fuck the Indians. Bunch of drunken inbred trash.
Connor Cook
This is a fucking lie. They didn't eminent domain the land the pipeline is going through. It's going north of the reservation, in full accordance with all treaties.
Brody Barnes
oversupply of oil is probably why he lost his job. Many companies can't make money if oil is at $45 a barrel.
Matthew Allen
Good luck getting any answers from Sup Forums They let racism cloud their minds
Nicholas Morgan
that's true. since oil is so cheap these days, it'll probably be a number of years before they actually start drilling in that big Texas deposit.
Tyler Morgan
The pipelines will contaminate their source of water, learn the facts before you make an ass hat comment.
Hunter Rivera
yes. America can be oil independent, but the Arabs can produce it cheaper than we can. If they cut off our supply we would be able to survive.
Mason Green
>The pipelines will contaminate their source of water,
it could pollute their source of water, but that is highly unlikely.
This country already has literally millions of miles of energy pipelines. You don't hear about water sources contaminated by a pipeline rupture very often
Jonathan Phillips
The pipeline is not designed contaminate water. Oil is designed to stay in the pipeline. What good is a pipeline if it all leaks out???
Lincoln Lewis
the land the pipeline is being built on isn't reservation land, it's private property.
the tribal elders want a cut of the oil revenue but the oil folks won't give them any money. this is all about money.
if this were a case were the government was seizing their land, I'd be upset but it isn't.
if a private property owner wants a fucking pipeline on his property and everything is legal than people honestly need to fuck off and respect the rights of property owners.
if the indians owned the land, with a fucking deed to the property, then I'd understand but they don't.
go build a casino and fuck off
Nathaniel Jenkins
>Ctrl f >warren buffet >zero results Blue pilled as fuck on this one Sup Forums
Cooper Peterson
Do they even drink water? I thought all the did was drink alcohol
Sebastian Butler
Oil company wants to build pipeline in land they bought 5 miles north of a reservation, injuns are mad because it goes near a sacred river that's not on their land.
Justin Jackson
Are you fucking retarded? What good is oil if it's in a body of water and not in a refinery?
Original plans had go through the reserve in return for money, and the chiefs told them to go fuck themselves, so now they're building it around their territory and they're pissed.
>valuing a faster means of transporting oil over human life Means of transporting oil literally add up to human lives. The calories that get burned by vehicles move produce to the markets which provide calories for humans. Burning nat. gas or lpg cooks your food, again, calories. The calories burned as heating gas or oil literally keep our hairless tropical ape bodies alive. And that's not even getting into petroleum's value as chemical feedstock.
If you want to enrich humanity and fight poverty, you need to use lots of oil. Deal with it.
Jayden Rogers
>Oil Pipeline goes vaguely near native land >Natives want gibs >Even though it's not on their land >Protest until they get gibs
The end.
Robert Bennett
Please enlighten us all oh mighty superbrain
Aaron Bailey
Isn't Soros in on it as well?
Nathaniel Collins
thanks for the info. fuck them for trying to play on the white guilt of a bunch of idiot nu-males and feminists
Bentley Gutierrez
Stop acting like a pretentious ass you posturing fuck.
Chase Russell
buffet controls the trains that this oil would be shipped on if it doesn't go through the pipeline
Adrian Hughes
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Grayson Gutierrez
Please continue...
Christopher Adams
>Have treaty land >Oil companies give money to bury a pipe in it >Okay.jpg >Get whiskey drunk every night on the rez
Sounds fine to me. But oh, right, MUH LAND 4 SHINY PEBBLES.
Ayden Wilson
>cops were complaining natives had buffalo stamped them lmao kill whitey
Brody Johnson
>100 deals made years ago >nativeniggers decide they want more for "muh sacrid reservation" >nig out
Alexander Phillips
>Don't complain when it goes over their land and roads in tanker trucks. >Don't complain when it goes down their rivers in barges. >Don't complain when it cuts through their land by train >"HURR this safer pipeline is bad for the environment! It's all about riches to these people what about MUH land!"
Then they get the libertarians and aleppos sperging out over eminent domain when eminent domain was literally created for the purpose of preventing a subsection of the population from getting in the way of industrialized progress.
It's just another subsection of the population liberals manipulate. And it's just so (((they))) can increase polarization in the country.
You realize this oil will be transported no matter what, correct?
Jaxon Lopez
I don't know
Wyatt Fisher
Which is why environmental faggots wanted to use the natives to outright abolish fossil fuels.
John Bennett
>You realize this oil will be transported no matter what, correct?
Of course I do. But is it worth the show of force to make this happen like this?
In a time where the public outcry against police brutality is climbing day by day, there must be a different way to solve this.
Levi Perry
1/4
Matthew Anderson
2/4
Levi Gonzalez
3/4
John Phillips
this
fuck them, it doesn't go through native land at all
they have no say
Jayden Evans
No, you have hearsay.
Jaxon Carter
No. It's not a "show of force". Even in rural Iowa with no reservations "protesters" are torching equipment and causing millions of dollars in damages just because of their opinion. Even Jill fucking Stein vandalized equipment. This has gone from protesting to outright Sabatoging and they will use and abuse anything, including Native Americans, to get their way. So in those regards, I fully support what the police are doing.
Also consider that these people are often on private property as most of the pipeline goes through farmland. I don't think it'd be fair to Farmer Bob to lose even more money than they are in this AG downturn just because of some pissed off liberals.
As far as the times where it genuinely goes through Native lands, they are being compensated and there have been plans drawn up to minimally effect the land. This is true even for farmers.
Again, it's no different or greater risk than a tanker truck going over the road or a barge spilling into a river and effecting that land. If anything the pipeline is safer AND cuts down on pollution and traffic congestion.
I'm sorry, but you really need to look at this from a couple other perspectives and not fall so easily for leftist emotional tricks that are hardly valid.
Anthony Jackson
We should respect everyone. Especially the Indians and what land they have left and ALL of IT.
Joseph Martin
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Jace Cruz
I'll stay open minded.
>Fool Bear has had it with the protesters. He says that more than two years ago, when members of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe could have attended hearings to make their concerns known, they didn't care. Now, suddenly, the crowds are out of control, and he fears it's just a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt.
>Go down to the camps, he says, and you won't see many Standing Rock Sioux. "It irks me. People are here from all over the world," he says. "If they could come from other planets, I think they would."
>The presence of all these people has become a downright nuisance to his community, he says. Given the roadblocks, residents of Cannon Ball are often forced to go more than 40 miles out of their way.
Israel is a racist apartheid state who has illegal Jewish ONLY settlements in the west bank where the border walls are wrapping around them inside Palestinian in an obvious land grab. youtube.com/watch?v=Pp1wVPeg59Q
This is why terrorism happens and why the rest of the west gets blowback from it.
Israel builds these settlements on top of Palestinian villages that they have bulldozed by the military. youtube.com/watch?v=EC6C-cAc240
If you support Israel you are not a leftist. End of Story.