Gun Control

ITT: Discuss Gun Control and whether it's needed or not.

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God I wish shills would fuck off and die.

Yes it's needed: only white christian conservative males should be allowed to own them.

No, this isn't a shill thread, I ask this because I don't actually know and have only found meme arguments so far. Don't default to "Muh shill" right away, I'm actually curious.

Well your thread quality was shit and looked like a shill slide thread.
There is not a good argument for gun control. They cite gun death statistics and things like that, but never how many peoples lives have been saved by gun ownership.

Yeah, my apologies for the shitty quality, I don't post here often, but yeah, I do see more often gun deaths and it would seem that ownership of a gun would prevent crime in the hands of an upstanding citizen.

You should own one if you're not mentally unstable, I think.

>One.
>Not having one in every room of your house.

Because I'm poorfag I only have a rifle and a pistol.

>it would seem that ownership of a gun would prevent crime in the hands of an upstanding citizen.


Here is a page to read. Make what you want from it, but a responsible gun owner never has a problem ever. Limiting all gun ownership based on numbers is the most retarded thing in the world. There is no "catch all" regarding who should and should not have one...

zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-19/gun-violence-america-6-uncomfortable-charts

It works in the sense that it can eliminate gun crime, but criminals will find other ways to murder their rivals/victims. States with less gun control tend to have lower rates of crime, this is because it increases the risk a criminal must take to commit crime, thus discouraging criminal behavior as a whole. Bearing arms is a constitutionally guaranteed right for American citizens and gun control is an attempt by authoritarians and the federal government to infringe upon that right.

SHALL

Guns are completely outlawed here in Mexico. And in most of latinamerica. Somehow criminals get their hands on a shit ton of gear. Go figure. Meanwhile lawful citizens can't do shit.

Yeah that seems like the main problem, upstanding citizens can't get their hands on guns to defend themselves but criminals can through the black market and other routes that aren't legal (obviously).

Absolutely. An uncontrolled gun generally doesn't hit where you want it to. I use two hands to control the gun. I've found it greatly improves the accuracy of my shots.

Brazil is a case study for what happens when your citizens don't have guns. That's your answer.

A damn good start.

Trump sells us guns when? Gotta get reduce that deficit.

No nigger control

My pistol is a CZ P-07 and my rifle is an AR 15 and then I have four 30 round mags loaded. Pretty basic bitch tier.

Anyone here from NH,MN, or VT?

I'm trying to find work in NH because I'm sick of living in a big city and need some nature nearby. Found out all three having lax gun laws. I guess MN and VT don't even require permits for concealed carry?

Can anyone in these states comment on if yo think that's going to stay the same or if it's trending to become like MA?

NOT

That kind of talk right there is why Trump won the election.

And there is no "real" world. There is just living and trying to be happy.

If we want to argue the real world, you city folks have no clue what it's like to live like I do.

I've got 50 chickens, 15 hogs, three dairy cows, and 6 acres of land I farm for my own benefit.

Aside from internet(which I can live without), I have officially become 100% self sufficient last month.

I live on a well, my power is drawn from a homemade windmill, I have plenty of iron to make the tools I need, I have a foundry, and soon to have a wife.

You city folk only know life by living off of others, you know nothing of struggle and hardship that isn't self inflicted.

You city folk think you're so high and mighty, so important, like you run the world.

Except you don't. The earth runs herself. You folks in the city keep addressing self inflicted problems, and making them worse. You city folk have an opportunity to make millions of dollars with your big corporations.

I don't care about big corporations, I don't care about getting the most updated things. I only care about the things I can make, and the means of surviving in the most natural and humane way as possible.

Go fuck yourself, yellow belly.

Gun control.
>keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot
>don't point the gun at anything you don't want to destroy

Why do you need so many guns, user? Wouldn't a rifle/pistol or some such work well enough for defense purposes?

Gun control is definitely needed. If you don't know how to handle your firearm, you will miss when you shoot it at people trying to take it away.

Yes we need gun control. please use both hands

Gun control is a retarded socialist policy, ironicaly the people it hurts the most are the working class, criminals will get their hands on guns any way or another, murder is illegal but murders still happen, so it's not like it actually prevents crime a criminal who doesn't care for the law WILL buy a gun illegally trough black market or other means.

This creates a situation where only the thugs have guns and the rest of the population is at their mercy.

BE

It's not like you can can (effectively) wield more than one gun at a time. What's the problem with owning an arsenal?

>That kind of talk right there is why Trump won the election.
>And there is no "real" world. There is just living and trying to be happy.
...are you responding to the wrong poster?

gun control is needed
banning guns isn't needed
you can't have just anyone owning rocket launchers but a rifle for hunting and a handgun for self-defense should be allowed for all able adults

wait times and even a mandatory psych evaluation are ok though

Lest we forget our greatest ally user...

This desu.

Don't ban guns. Please do require basic psych evaluations, and ban very big guns. We don't need recreational nukes, or recreational bazookas or tanks (actually just tank guns desu, it'd still be fine to drive down the street in a M24 Chaffee as long as you can't actually shoot anybody with it).

I'd even say ban fully automatic weapons but on a technical level anybody with access to a machine shop could probably just fuck one together so eh. That wouldn't be very enforceable.

I have a 4 bore rifle for home defense

>ITT: Discuss Gun Control and whether it's needed or not.

my rifle has yet to kill as many people as Teddy Kennedy's car

>oldschool black powder shit

Noice

2 hands
fuck off

>Please do require basic psych evaluations

no, you're going to let a doctor tell you that you can't have a gun, you do this and nobody will have a gun

remove all paperwork from purchase of weapons, all of it,

what does gun control prevent?

The ATF may be interested in loosening restrictions. Keep Winning.

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/senior-atf-official-proposes-loosening-gun-regulations/2017/02/06/beeb1120-ec7c-11e6-9662-6eedf1627882_story.html?utm_term=.aaba00135a7f

>anti-tank rifle caliber in a retardedly huge pistol
>not a rifle, which would actually make some sense, even though most people don't need to shoot tanks and/or grizzly bears

These are the people who unironically buy desert eagles, for fuck's sake.

Real life isn't a videogame.

t. a person afraid he can't pass a simple psych test

I don't know why anyone's against it. Maintaining proper control over your gun is something everyone who carries should have.

anyone can game a test, especially the psychiatrists with vested interests

>no, you're going to let a doctor tell you that you can't have a gun, you do this and nobody will have a gun
That's fair. Doctors doing judicial activism shit and not letting anyone have guns would be pretty awful.

Still, we have to have SOME way to stop Mr. "THE ILLUMINATI HAVE INSTALLED MICROCHIPS IN MY TEETH AND ARE LISTENING TO MY THOUGHTS SO I HAVE TO SHOOT EVERYBODY IN CITY HALL" from having an HMG.

>THE ILLUMINATI HAVE INSTALLED MICROCHIPS IN MY TEETH AND ARE LISTENING TO MY THOUGHTS

ayyyyyyyy

>psych eval
See, that's where things get scary. Giving the government the power to decide who can and can't own guns based on psychology is far too much power. imo. Also, crimes of passion are usually committed with what's at hand. A wait time won't stop someone from killing someone else.

true, but it's not expected to be 100% fool proof. some crazies would still get guns but at least the ones with serious documented mental health history wouldn't. and failing one as a sane person is pretty much impossible.

R8 my gat

How many crimes were ever committed with "big guns"?

In a perfect world gun control is fine, in the real world you're just asking to be helpless when a superior power tries to fuck you / your allies in the ass.

glock sycks

>I'd even say ban fully automatic weapons
Fuck that. Allow SBRs, SBSs, suppressors. Then treat machine guns like how suppressors and such are now.

>whether it's needed
nope. now mind your own business and fuck off back to p l e b b i t.

For example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

You can't because we have this legal concept where we consider a person to be innocent until proven guilty.

If you can prove he's planning to shoot up city hall, by all means arrest him for it.

But you can't just revoke people's rights based on what you think they might possibly, maybe do. Just look at all the ordinarily sane and rational people that go nuts, or decide to do some politically-motivated murder.

so this is a lone gunman type precaution only

any person with a healthy network of people would be able to get a gun basically

i can see it working. idk. i've always thought that the bad people are going to have guns anyway why not just open the market.

Ahahaha shit I forgot about this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norco_shootout

>Why do you need so many guns, user?
Because I need to use all of these bullets.

It's laughably rare.

80% of ALL violent crime in America is black and hispanic gangbangers killing/fighting each other.

Rifles account for less murders than blunt weapons, including fists and hammers.

>Big guns
>7.62x39 AKs
>7.62x51 semi-auto rifle
>5.56x45 AR-15

You know nothing.

Shit
Get that mole checked

is this that finn proxy faggot? fuck off. you don't get to circumvent the bill of rights

Yeah, right.

Wow, and AR and an AK. You realize that just
about every gun owner has at least one AR? Also, so much for the machine gun ban if some assholes in gun hating Cali can make their own.

You mean "...people it saves..."

Yeah I'm not particularly /k/, it's true.

Despite being a liberal on a lot of issues I want to own a gun. Too bad that
>tfw not enough spare money and I'd rather pick up a better videocard than a shootin' stick when I do have a few hundred uncommitted dollars

yeah this wouldn't affect organized crime or anything. just for situations where a schizophrenic or someone in a psychotic state etc. would suddenly get an idea for revenge etc. the seriously mentally ill are rarely happy about getting locked away when they finally get out.

We have that, it's called "armed men with body armor at city hall."

>muh 300 year old piece of paper

still solving problems to this day

As far as 300 year old shit goes the constitution is pretty good.

Sure, we fucked up by having first past the post elections instead of ranked choice, but other than that it's fucking golden.

The first amendment makes everything better all the time desu. Freedom of speech is important on a fucking *ontological* level. Threatening people who disagree with you makes it very difficult to have a well-rounded opinion.

With a gun of that size and weight I would imagine precise gun control would be difficult without much practice. A few weeks at the range and you could have her steady and ready.

It doesn't need to be newer and faggier.

shut the fuck up

Buy hollowpoints faggot

There's already systems in place to keep guns out of the hands of crazies. More gun control won't fix any problems.

why?

You fucking what, mate? I'll fucking wreck ye.

This the gun control I'd want:

>licensed required to purchase and carry, no restrictions to what
>to obtain a license you must go through military-like training
>must pass physical fitness and marksmanship tests
>re-tested until you reach non-combat age, graduate to a recreational license

unfortunately gun sales would drop to record lows, see attached

SHALL

The constitution can be amended. Going after the second amendment is politically toxic though, and the Dems need to tread lightly now.

The government doesn't have the right to use force (via weapons) to take my weapons. I have ownership of my body and my property and I also have ownership of the means to defend my body and my property. It would be inconsistent of the government to claim exclusive rights to use weapons via the use of weapons. As a point of common sense it's a bad idea to give a group of people all the weapons in a country through a law which can be circumvented by criminals who by definition do not obey the law.
The government doesn't have the right to monopolise defence unless I voluntarily agree to give them that right. That is, I may agree to give a government, a business or a group of people the rights to control me. If you want to live in a community where there are no weapons then you a free to do so, but you are not free to force that upon me.

>glock
>stock trigger
2/10

Well I ask myself, am I a nigger fearing being? No. I don't need a gun because I don't cause issues in the world like the insecure people who carry. Also I don't need to compensate for my penis size. Nuff said. When I hunt I use my recurve bow like a real man.

They're simply more effective for self defense.

It's true. I've read two books about forming the constitution and it really was remarkable how they came up with it at the time. It's easy to nitpick now but a lot of the ideas at the time we're unprecedented.

That being said I don't think "because the founding fathers said so" is a very good argument. They were politicians, smart politicians at that but they weren't the deities they're often considered in the US. Especially with the 2nd amendment it gets a little iffy at times. A well regulated militia was a good idea in the 1700s but when you're citing that to justify the purchase of your 30th assault rifle and two pounds of "target practice explosives" you know that's not what they were thinking when they wrote it.

I'm not anti-guns though, like I said a weapon should be permitted for self-defense. Here in Finland we have good laws for hunting and sport shooting but self-defense is not a permitted reason to buy one which is bullshit.

>Why do you need so many guns, user?
Because they work well for defense purposes.
>Wouldn't a rifle/pistol or some such work well enough for defense purposes?
Yes. RPGs are better, though.

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Say that to my face

That's good enough to shoot leftist trash on Day of the Rope

INFRINGED

You don't think they understood that weapon technology would improve? I'm pretty sure they wanted citizens to be more armed than the government. If the state has rocket launchers and tanks, you're gonna want rocket launchers and tanks.

Part of the reason we don't want to fuck with the constitution now is because we'd have to call a constitutional convention, and then it'd be open to all sorts of changes from the retarded politics of the present.

SEVENTEEN SEVENTY-SIX WILL COMMENCE AGAIN IF YOU TRY TO TAKE OUR FIREARMS!

It's not really the weapon technology's progress that's the biggest change. Back in 1770s people were still struggling to survive. A peasant could save up money all his life and not have enough to buy a well-crafted weapon, now you can get a new one monthly with your welface check.

>no stifling
0/10

Yeah, more of "the people" can have a first rate weapons to resist tyranny and defend themselves. That's a bad thing?