Animal Ethics

What's pol's opinion on the treatment of animals?

Do you think animal rights are a thing? Are you for the 'ethical' treatment of animals? How would you define this? Do you care or not?

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I believe in the ethical treatment of animals. But there are limits because they are animals after all. PETA is a bunch of bullshit they are wicked fucked up. I suppose I just think that animals shouldn't be tortured or treated badly. Kill them quick harvest 99% and call it a day.

There's 984,000,000 mouths to feed. We don't have time to worry about some dumb pigs (food)

I'd pay a few shekels more for a meat provided with the promise that the cow was treated in humane standards.
Won't stop eating meat either way. Tried it more than once, it makes you weak in body and prone to anger.

>are animal rights a thing?

Weird question, rights are concepts, are concepts things?
I think most people do not make a conscious choice in the question and that most people would be inclined to abstain from industrial meat products if they were to witness in detail what the meat industry is.

If I can avoid factory farmed animals I will, but if I have no say in it eg: Food from a Fast-Food chain. Then, well fuck it they are animals after all

That's not the issue, meat is not efficient compared to plant-based foods.

What if we geneticly engineered farmed animals to be super retarded so they just ate, drank, and stood around and didn't have feelings

Well black people are already super retarded we should just eat them.

That's basically what already happened. What do you think domestication is?

I wonder what happened to ShindoL for him to like this shit? Got cucked by somebody maybe?

Sup Forums's opinion on everything is "I'm an edgy shit and have to piss off mommy and daddy". So save yourself the thread and just expect dog vomit and you'll have discovered the same information.

animals are property

Not if you dont own them.

Thanks for the replies so far anons. Keep them coming.

I tend to agree so far with what's been said.

Well shit.
Now factory dairy farms will give me boners forever more.

Humans rightfully sit atop the food chain. Consequently the rest of the animal kingdom live to serve us at our whim.

I think we should be able to eat dog meat anywhere because if a person can barbecue at a park then i can roast a dog in the park

animals are a replaceable object
I don't care about what you do with them

anything special about humans is because we had the might to make those things special.

without that, we're just like any animal. It doesn't matter that we can work a computer or wear clothes, just an ego driven sack of meat.

people are things.

I don't care. Animals are biological robots, and pain is just an unconditional reflex developed during evolution in order to increase survivability.
Anyone who feels empathy towards animals is a confirmed degenerate.

Edgy my dude. Just discover nihilism or something?

worst thing about dairy industry is that the calves are usually sold to veal farms. But the calves of organic dairy cows are too expensive for veal farms to buy so organic dairy is usually ethical enough to eat.

That image shows a automatic milking station, the cows love that shit. They can get milked when they want other than that they just roll around and eat grass. Don't be a fool research how they treat animals for real and not just look at images on the internet.

I'd rather have grass fed cows that walk around cause it makes better quality goods that taste better

Not an argument.

Like animals want their milk ports sucked off any time.

This, anybody who disagrees is a failure of the human species and should off themselves before their feelings get hurt.

I think humane slaughter and treatment should apply, so I reject kosher and halal slaughter, do you?

if you're raised thinking its enjoyable you'll think its enjoyable.

It's like people raised to believe that expensive is better, and they'll eat three day old cat that was scraped up off the side of the road because you sell it at 300$ an ounce and call it "fresh imported exotic uraguay sea beaver"

Animals dont have right, they are property. Its up to you how you treat them.

And up to the consumer to pick what they want. I would suggest you buy right from the farmer, best meat from that.

>keep filling up with milk until its painful
>dont want it sucked out
you must be both a retard and a virgin

Give me an evolutionary explanation for why we'd evolve the ability to sympathize with our prey?

Because i've got one: The big eyes trick our brain into thinking they're our offspring.

Nobody has any campaigns to save beetle species, nobody campaigns to stop people from eating plants, nobody tries to stop people from washing their hands.

It's not "Life" that appeals to liberals, its "Familiarity"

Morals do not apply outside of your species, ever, or what we did to dogs is pretty fucked up.

As long as they say aloha kabar before they swing the knife.

nah, that's a meme
confined animals have the softest meat and the quality is better because they weren't roaming around eating shit

>retard unironically trying to cut people with THE EDGE because he doesn't understand that human intelligence and sapience innately separates us from all other life on this planet

What did we do to dogs?

Rights belong to things in as much as such things are sentient, aware, and rationale. This of course is a spectrum. There are gorillas with more rights than many humans.

Plants have little to no rights. Fish and other invertebrates (Octopus aside) are similar, albeit with more rights.

This is basically Kant meets modern animal behavioral science and psychology.

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>Animals dont have right, they are property.
because the strength of your ancestors put them into that position of living.

>And up to the consumer to pick what they want.

so long as the might exists to give them the luxury.

>I would suggest you buy right from the farmer, best meat from that.

I always do this. I buy from the local butcher who gets his food locally, I know how the farms handle their animals. I only eat at restaurants that my butcher supplies.

I want to deny shitty corporate farms my money. It's the only way I can tell them what they're doing is disgusting.

Actually I live in a village in rural England, and there's a dairy farm literally a quarter of a mile from my front door. The cows there live in a huge shed, 24/7. They keep the lights on 24/7. This farm supplies milk to supermarkets at an industrial level. All entirely above board and legal according to British and EU regulations.

Don't talk down to me, cunt.

Domestication. We take children from their parents and force them to breed with other children to accentuate certain features in them. We took only the kindest ones and killed the rest. because of this, we call them "Man's Best Friend", as if they have a choice.

It's basically what the jews want for all the races.

People have this weird conception that factory farming is constantly cramming animals into tight spaces and feeding them without ever letting them exercise. It doesn't really work like that - such confined quarters make it harder to remove the animals at the time for slaughter, increase the likelihood of disease and most importantly is a breeding ground for things like Bovine TB which can jump the species barrier to humans. Basically, mistreatment or allowing them to just wallow in filth has a chance at spoiling the meat and biting us in the ass, so we don't do it.

Same can be said for the slaughter, most people don't actually know the process, but its quite humane.

Nope. KYS degenerate trash. You should go to Sup Forums they love that shit over there.

Where's the meat only option, faggot?

>human intelligence and sapience

that's what you get when you look at this?

have you been to Sup Forums? You know then that women should not have rights.

Yes. I've seen what goes on in halal slaughterhouses. It's fucking shocking.

>not giving a shit about other people makes me a psychopath because I don't break my back for strangers.

No, but the fact that you interpreted it that way does. I'd say more sociopath though. There isn't a cure, don't fuck yourself up over it.

even that pathetic creature is capable of some level of sapience, like being able to access kikebook and shitpost unironically

Ethics and morals will only hold people back

This can be good or bad but as we enter an age where competition accelerates exponentially, holding back because of some moral code will only bring defeat.


Science has entered a new era. We are now able to see and control what was once before unheard off. For example, today we known that human thought is nothing but ions moving across a membrane. We can see particles that only 50 years ago we did not even knew existed. We have taken bacteria and genetically altered them to produce substances that could not be created by traditional lab or industrial techniques.

As the technocrats like to say, society is just one giant system, much like a refinery. Soon politics and business will not be able to keep up with science. We already have laws that are 20 years behind technology and major business whose course was changed with one simple discovery.

Fighting scientific progress is always pointless, you may delay it but at the end of the day science will win. We need to embrace it and throw ethics out the window if we wish to survive in a world were efficiency is key.

Animals are not people. If poor treatment of animals lowers costs who gives a shit plus lower food costs means less starvation and less human death so choosing "humain" treatment is choosing animal life over human Life

Zoo owner here.

Don't cause animals unneeded and prolonged suffering. Only subhumans do that.

and kosher? are they better or worse than halal?

what, you don't like listing to a filthy sandnigger chanting god is great while the goat is on the floor struggling to stand up and figure out why it's dying, while all its blood is squirting out its neck?

I don't think you know what that word means and I don't think you've ever really observed animals other than on tv. Fucking CROWS are smarter than 8 year old humans. So are all people under the age of 8 property?

You just got btfo. Thanks for playing, bu bye.

That's bullshit. Just watch a video of an adult cow crying and making loud noises when their calf is taken sway.

Ethical? Yeah, sure. There's no reason to keep livestock in conditions where they shit on top of each other and live in their own filth. There's also no reason for their handlers to kill them in obscene ways quick and as painless as possible should be the standard. But we don't need to preserve every living being and treat meat eating like a crime against humanity either. I feel like on both extreme ends of the spectrum - the people who think eating a hamburger is worse than the holocaust and the edgy kids who think slamming chickens into walls repeatedly until they die - many times people are too far removed from providing their own food that they develop a super skewed and warped view of things. Making something like preparing a live fowl or fish for personal consumption would probably clear that up though. You tend to gain and understanding and respect for your food without getting retarded ideologies when you have to do all the dirty prep work normally removed from the average person.

They exist and they're called cows
Thousands of generations of domestic and selective breeding = genetic engineering

the cure is a lower intelligence.

barring yourself from manipulating people when you use every other tool in the shed is just plan retarded.

because she has the luxury to live in a habitat created by her ancestors, whose purpose is to keep the weak safe.

that is her only right to such a life, the strength of her ancestors. That she will contribute nothing, even worse, will destroy a millenia of genetic lineage only serves to degenerate that habitat to the point where it can no longer function.

Then the muslims will be in and she will be treated like the dumb cattle she is.

just because it triggers some chemical reactions in your brain aka empathy?
not an argument

feeling empathy to something that is not your species is a mental disorder and degenerate.
Remeber ((who)) taught you that

Same senpai

You'd have your average Sup Forums user

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I think killing to eat when there are alternatives shows that the motivation is based on taste and I think killing another creature just because you like the taste of its flesh can carry some heavy deep psychological consequences for indivuals and for a country at the societal level

The act itself is less important than the motivation. That said though, I think if you eat meat you shoud try to reduce the harm caused by deliberatley avoiding cheap factory farmed meat or caged hens

Meat, especially beef, is absolutely terrible for the environment and 1 billion rising middle class consumers in developing countries are going to want to copy the western diet. We should invest in lab grown meat and try as consumers to create a market for ethically oriented food

So long as the meat is untainted and good quality, I don't particularly care how the animals are raised/slaughtered their lives are based solely on being food, fuck, I don't give a shit if they start raising chimps and torturing them to death so long as the meat is good to eat.

Check this autistic mongoloid out. Should I have expected any better from a mongrel blooded Brazilian?

I taught me that. I don't like pain, others feel pain, I don't want them to feel pain. Not that hard to understand if you don't have lack of empathy (aka autism).

I can feel the anger behind your post, your angry because you can't process why people would care. That is your autism.

I mean are you just stupid or something? Nobody is telling you to stop eating meat faggot, what were saying is we shouldn't torture beings who feel pain like we do so you can sit on your fatass and die early of a heart attack. Especially when it decreases the quality of the food, which is all you see anyway.

Don't mind if I cut your dogs throat then?

I think that image is of a carousel like milking machine, the cows aren't on it constantly.

Personally it depends on the animal to me. While I'll kick the shit out of a randomly attacking dog (owner or non) but farm animals are a different story. Though free rang organic might taste better I can get a lot more if I buy the regular shit. Not to mention its closer to most people to buy factory so less $$$ out of my pocket and less gas put through my car. You really have to look at it in a realist kind of way.

>knuckle dragging sufferer of foetal alcohol syndrome says empathy is bad so it obviously must be

yep, king lion same shit
they made people care more about fucking animals than to people

nice ad hominem degenerate scum, if we don't respect your wishes we are all bad indeed
The muhamed cum will bleach your yellow teeth anyways

Honestly, if we ever want aliens not to destroy the shit out of us when they come by again, animal rights are a thing. Until we can synthesize tasty nutritious meat, we're stuck eating animals.

Now, should we act like niggers and kick them on sight? Absolutely not. Civilization stems from restraint for the common good.

why do they all look so clean, they'd be covered in feces, the smell would be unbearable.

>eating meat

No he's right. Empathy towards animals is normally because we have
(A) breed them to be as cute as possible
(B) they're too retarded not to feel pain

>unironically being the one to claim that you have BTFOed another person
>not understanding that sapience is the capacity for wisdom and/or reasoning
>not understanding that the capacity for animals to learn from experience is so limited or outright nonexistent that it took my cat 5 years of being tricked into thinking my hand was a massive insect on a daily basis to understand that it was just an extension of my body and thus harmless
>not understanding that most people don't make the same mistakes twice thanks to experience and thus it can be deduced that they have an almost infinitely higher capacity for sapience than almost every other organism on earth

Animals feel empathy towards other animals.... Are you less than an animal? Oh wait, flag checks out. Go fuck some potatoes.

Why not just kill yourself? It's all just chemical reactions and it doesn't matter right? Why not just end it? Or do you feel sorry for your poor self?

Empathy is one of the few traits that defines us as humans. If everyone thought like you, wed be living like niggers and every family would be at war with every other family. We aren't robots programmed to deal only with other humans in a vaccum. We share this world with other beings.

Are you christian? Is this some sort of christian degeneracy? Reminds me of muslims and dogs. "But muh book says so." Maybe some people do actually need a fairy tale book to force morals onto them. I don't, I have this thing called a brain and a conscience.

strange how you can't answer this

is the cognitive dissonance too strong for you, traveller?

pigs literally can't turn round. I'm not sure how much more confined it needs to be before you call it confined

I imagine it's the same. But I once worked in a slaughterhouse that had a halal bit. So I've seen it first hand. It was lamb specifically. They hoist them up by the hind legs, which is a conveyor system with a queue. They wait, strung up like that, for about five minutes for their turn on the killing floor, before they are 'humanely' stunned and their throats cut. All by machine.

To be fair though, the non halal bit, whilst marginally better, is still very fucking grim.

aliens wouldn't care if they were sane tbqh, it's a world where even the bacteria hunt each other

Veganism is dumb, vegetarianism is based.

Man & cow are friends, like man and dog.

Drink the milk. Don't kill them. Put the bulls to work. Spread manure as fertilizer. Burn the rest for heat.

Don't degrade yourself with the constant killing of innocents!

Always thought these dudes just drew whatever because someone somewhere will get off to it. But i dunno maybe he did.

False. It's because it's a human trait and if you lack it you have a fucked up autistic brain which is why you can't connect with real people which is why you're here.

Yeah all that shit is stupid.

>BTFO

Kek

So Brazilians aren't the bastard rape baby offspring of Portuguese/Negro/Monkey faced South Americans? Could have fooled me.

Stick to eating your bananas and torturing dogs in your third world favela whilst I enjoy living in a lovely area of a first world country where it's 98% White British.

He probably already killed the family dog

>before they are 'humanely' stunned
doesn't sound like halal or kosher, the rules state the animal must be conscious when slaughtered

so are you against White people's cruelty to animals, or do you agree that our methods are more humane?

If we can treat animals better before they're slaughtered I'm absolutely for it. Don't be a dick without reason. That said we need meat and sacrifices must be made to provide it. The circle of life has to be upheld.

tldr; Kill cows, treat them nicely beforehand but don't fuck your profits too much

Dat pastured milk doe

ok, so that's how we're going to play. DO YOUR WORST, NIGGER.

Yes Jimbo, animals never learn, prey animals just open their mouth and the prey appears magically.

You are actually defending torture, you realize this right? Again, nobody is saying you shouldn't eat meat, were saying you shouldn't torture your food for fun, when that being died so you can be more of a fat ass.

Why are you arguing for torture? How degenerate are you?

So what would stop aliens from doing the same shit we do to animals to us? Would you be happy being a piecemeal display in an alien deli? Not gonna stop eating meat, never could. Just playing devils advocate.

Too fattening