Rome

How is it possible that such an advanced civilization could fall to barbaric hordes? It's not like Rome was liberal or politically correct or weak.

They had the best military, and best technology. How the fuck could that happen?

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Nice shill revisionist history video. Rome fell for being too large, internal rot, government corruption, and yes, a ton of degenerate citizens.

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Jewish infiltration and terrible greedy emperors after the 2nd century AD who weakened the money so much it was bound to happen

>notice anything?

Rome became liberal, politically correct, and weak. There was a saying in the end of the Roman Empire.

>Rome ruled the world, and women ruled Rome.

Cuckoldry was also pretty common, and there were rumors that hanging around slaves caused women to give birth to their children, independent of adultery.

maybe OP should have asked how would you stop that from happening again?

I think the problem is families staying in power, regardless of whether or not their offspring was fit to rule. You see that happening in the US as of late, clinton clinton bush bush muslim nigger.

Shieet.

No matter how powerful you are, you can't withstand attacks from inside your own empire.

The difference between a good and a bad military wasn't as large as today (technological in particular). A bad general could easily lead to his legions being slaughtered by barbarians.

>They had the best military, and best technology. How the fuck could that happen?
They didn't have the best military. Rome was internally depleted by constant civil war. They also were heavily reliant upon mercenaries. The Western Empire fell because they no longer supplied their own fighting men, and the fighting men they did supply against the Gothic invasion were green and undisciplined, whereas the Gothic armies had been seasoned by the Huns.

The Goths also bribed the Gallic administrators not to take their arms and the chieftains' sons hostage, against the terms the Emperor had agreed upon for their entry to the Roman Empire.

Basically, the Romans went on defense instead of offense and that's why they lost.

They opened their borders and let the barbarians came in as citizens of Rome.

The barbarians didn't work so the welfare gave away bread and they had circuses to entertain.

People who lost their businesses and work due to high taxes gave up and went to get free bread instead.

Chistianity and the loss of hardcore racism of the romans.

The same will happen again but instead of thinking of it as bad think of what happened to the barbaric people with time.

St. Augustine's answer was that Romans abandoned the virtues that originally made Rome great

Jews were irrelevant in world history until the industrial revolution. Plus Rome's transition from republic to empire was itself a sign of Rome's decline

The difference is then"barbarians" we're white Germans and our barbarians are North African niggers and middle eastern sand niggers.

Wrong.


>pic related


Many such cases.


They've been up to the sane shit for thousands of years.

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believe me, a white person living in dirt and devoid of proper hygiene will not look much different from an arab now.

The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero, famous Roman philosopher, orator and statesman (106 BC – 43 BC)

the plague.

Western Rome fell mainly because every single tribe from beyond germania decided to migrate and invade Rome at the same time. The Huns basically raped the empire until pope Leo made Attila go away before he sacked Rome and was defeated.

Are you so blind that you believe racial differences stop at only appearances? LOL

Rome in the West didn't really "fall" though. It's really blurry historically, but here's the basics.

Rome in the west slowly delegated itself out of existence to Germanic warlords in return for military service against other Germanic warlords. Even after 476, up until about Clovis' time, most of the warlords and petty despots still got their positions "de jure" from the emperor in Constantinople. These people thought of themselves as Franks, Visigoths, Lombards etc. living inside the Empire. Latin was still spoken by the upper classes, they still used the aqueducts and roads (until the fell apart, but that had been happening well before 476).

The Church kept most of the Roman institutions alive for a while, which is why it gained so much power. Eventually a woman became empress Charlemagne decided he was Emperor now. He even tried to marry the Empress and "unite" both halves of the empire again.

I mean of course a Roman senator would be familiar with the Jews and have some experience in dealing with them (since I think they were a Roman client at the time) but they weren't what they are nowadays

>The barbarians didn't work so the welfare gave away bread and they had circuses to entertain.
What? No, the inhabitants of the City of Rome massively went on welfare. Lots of slaves had been bought and trafficked to the capital and the wealthier areas. It wasn't refugees that came in and went on welfare. The Goths at first fought as mercenaries in their armies, and then when the Goths started relocating into the Empire in massive numbers with their political leaders because of the Hunnic invasions, they had to negotiate a treaty of entrance with the Empire, which the Goths broke. The Goths took advantage of it to plunder the Empire up and down.

The Romans were too afraid to fight the Goths, so they let the Goths into the Empire under certain conditions and they were plundered anyway.

I could go into a lot more depth if anyone cares. But I'm assuming this thread is gonna devolve into "muh immigrants" and "muh degeneracy/christianity" and nobody's gonna give a shit about the actual nuanced history of the end of the Empire in the west

good explanation
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“The Jews . . . ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood.” – Lucius Cassius Dio (c. AD 155–235)

“The customs of that most criminal nation (Israel) have gained such strength that they have now been received in all lands. The conquered have given laws to the conquerors.” – Lucius Annaeus Seneca (c. 4 BC – 65 AD)

O YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT THE WORLD IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW?

Why don't you read the greatest story ever written and found out for yourself why Rome fell?

historynet.com/romes-barbarian-mercenaries.htm

Good times create weak men. Weak men creat bad times.

decadence and liberalism

Rome's success laid the foundation for its collapse.
>economy relied on war booty, including slaves, pouring into Italy
>conquest relied on Italian citizen-soldiers, who eventually became dispersed around the frontiers or got rich enough to get out of serious fighting
>Roman citizens being more concerned with gaining money and power, as well as being seen as "cultured", than being good citizens

Fascinating quote. What about those like Icke that say they are reptilians or some shit? What is their true history (never read through the Bible and not sure how much is bs)

The Jews had next to no power in ancient Rome. They where, however, a convenient scapegoat since they were so different

If you think they were bankers, where did they get the money from? I didn't say they were perfectly well-behaved, just that they were irrelevant

>literal leftist propaganda
hehe yeah, read that goyim

Real Romans did not have enough kids. Weaker people immigrated in. In 200AD even the emperors are mostly immigrants.

>what is multiculturalism
>what is degeneracy
>what is inbreeding
>what is drinking leaded water
There ya go

>They where, however, a convenient scapegoat
Nice try JIDF.

jew.

youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

You're literally watching it in action right now.

You have front row seats to this cyclical downfall happening yet again , and you ask this question?

>a society based around offering sacrifices to a plethora of gods
>"obviously this group of people that execute 'idolaters' is going to have incredible influence in such a society!"

But the current distinction can be solved simply by looking at liberalism. Ancient Rome didn't have liberalism.

Its cuz italians like foreigners.
t. Italian
Also, Italy's peninsula houses its true race, how could land mass/population that small truly control an area as big as it did during the height of the empire?

If you don't understand.

Rome was not the first.

We are not the last.

women came into power, pushed feminist shit, men stopped getting married and having kids. they even had a bachelor tax. morality broke down, leading to patriotism breaking down, leading to defeatism, leading to apathy and immigration, leading to welcome destruction.

same way every single world power in history has collapsed, from within

Don't fall for the alien reptilian shit user, they are just evil, evil people who hate more than anything those that aren't Jews and help each other out more than you probably would your own family. That's how they get ahead

Modern Italians are fucking muts and have absolutely nothing to do with ancient Romans.

By the time it fell the army was unrecognisable from its glory days back during the Punic Wars and campaigns of Caesar, it resembled more to the barbarian hordes of Attila and Alaric than to the legions of Caesar and Scipio.

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They had wealth even then. They were expelled once for lying, trying to corrupt Romans into religious cults and cheating people put of money. With money comes influence

northern italians do, they are MUCH smarter and philosophical

southern are dumb but typical aggressive muds, useful as foot soldiers

The seed to the destruction of civilization is sown in the act of civilizing.
You see the alpha to create a civilization must have betas who follow, the only way these betas will follow is if you allow them to procreate. The only thing that is going to keep a beta hanging around is access to pucci that is exclusively his.
As the betas have families they create more betas, and the beta attitudes become more common place. Democracy rapidly accelerates this process.

This is the biggest and final redpill. ALL civilizations are doomed to fail, to be conquered by "barbarians" from the outside. Read Arnold Toyynbee, probably the greatest historian who ever lived. He wrote a huge amount about this, studying every civilizayion that ever existed.

Only two things can prop up a dying civilization, discovery of new and exploitable resources, or the discovery of a new energy source. The two fundementals that govern your "production capacity".

>trying to corrupt Romans into religious cults
Not because of what the cults encouraged worship of, but what they outlawed worship of.
Romans thought if you didn't properly worship every single member of the state pantheon, those gods and goddesses would smite the Roman state.

Rome the city was long before deemed too dangerous for the government, the capital was moved to Constantinople, where the Empire would live until it's fall during the 1400's. Rome the city was truly degenerate, ridden with infighting and factions, if a member of the government dared step foot in the city it's sure that he'd be assassinated, inside Italy the government would much prefer Naples, Milan, or Ravenna over Rome.

>How the fuck could that happen?
It's funny, because burgers will ask themselves the same thing after the US falls.

It doesn't even have to be betas. Even if you have alpha followers, the internal conflict would rip the civilisation apart eventually.
Maybe a common enemy would also work to prevent this. Like an alien horde attacking us to unite humanity.

The fall of Rome had zero to do with religion. It fell because it did not follow a strong patriarchial pattern of glorifying the alpha male. Too many betas, not enough alphas. Too many faggy senators with "manservants", not enough legionaires. Too many slaves, not enough citizens. Too many philosophers, not enough warriors. Too many bankers, not enough farmers. Too many scribes, not enough carpenters.

Strong males create civilizations.
Weak males get overun by barbarians.

What we need to decide is that our civilization is indeed weak, and this time, we are going to be the barbarians, and we are going to overun it.

HAIL VICTORY

>Real Romans did not have enough kids. Weaker people immigrated in. In 200AD even the emperors are mostly immigrants.
Stfu you goyim cuck

Fall of Rome in a nutshell:
Romans allow immigrants (Goths) to settle inside their borders and invites them to become allies
In the end the immigrants turn on Rome and destroy it from the inside.

Read the book "Cadre Lucifer"
Written by Robert O'Riorden.
He describes exactly that. A man who sees his civilization failing, so he decides to invade, to unite them, and force them to remember thier strength.
Its a sci fi fiction.

Interesting concept.

We had no national anthem back in those days btw
youtube.com/watch?v=yrUUK3z3wok

>Fall of Rome in a nutshell:
>Romans allow immigrants (Goths) to settle inside their borders and invites them to become allies
>In the end the immigrants turn on Rome and destroy it from the inside.

Jews

This.

Unchecked welfare and debasement of the currency ends all civilizations, and will end ours as well.

No one really knows. But every Empire tends to implode.

Its true--- sometimes I FEEL the negative characteristic of Indians, Blacks, Japanese, Nordic whites, Arabs, Mediterranean Whites, Eskimos, all coursing thru my bllod

>It's not like Rome was liberal or politically correct or weak.
It was. Read a fucking book. Late Roman empire was socialist welfare state handing out benefits and ranks to minorities, with mercenrary military, moral decay and sexual depravities widely accepted as a norm.

The barbarians were Germans. What did you expect?

>implying rome ever fell

I'm so fucking tired of seeing this meme.
the bible predicted Rome would destroy the jews temple for rejecing christ, and the western latin leg of Rome was sascked by a baptized Christian Alaric. the eastern leg stood for a thousand years longer than the western leg, and the Byzatine was incredibly christian. on top of that Latin Rome was never christian, it still kept all its pagan traditions.

multiculti/multiethnic. Once they started down that road it all turned to shit not even kidding. Go research it.

yeah the larp was that the germans diminished it but it started before that.. with multiculti
They started to have all kinds of prayers to their multiculti gods alongside with the romans and multiethnic started being a thing rather than the bulk of the people of rome and so it gradually lost its backbone and its foundation then it literally went down the shitter, jews are feverish for trying to hide this btw. Same old story a house divided against itself can't stand.

Like.. if you want a recent example, just imagine nazi germany today with a bunch of niggers arabs pakis indians and a few germans "WE MUST STAND FOR OUR PEOPLE" yeah like that's going to work. Shit like that only works if it's monoethnic.

Yeah but Edward Gibbons said Christianity killed Rome, therefore Christianity killed Rome

>Yeah but Edward Gibbons said Christianity killed Rome, therefore Christianity killed Rome
That's all folks nothing to see here.

It got too big and couldnt manage itself anymore nor expand. Started losing land left and right because they couldnt curb attacks and rebellions in time due to the sheer size of the state. Attackers grew bolder and bolder. Rome lost more land and couldnt sustain itself anymore (since it used to sustain itself by conquering more and more land). It had an unsustainable model of government.

You have no true nationalism if it's not monoethnic, civic nationalism is a fucking farce. Ethnic loyalty/blood loyalty is what empires and/or true resistance towards tyrrany is made of. Jews know this very well but you don't, you think in a normal living situation multiculti multiethnicity can work right?

Try to resist something major you got fucking 10 different directions some might not even want to fight. That's the problem, no blood loyalty to the nation or empire, that monoethnic societies procure, this is why rome fell aswell it lost that crucial element.

If you understand the aristotelean concept of philia you will understand the game the kikes are playing.. When you have a divided society if they want to form a resistance it's easy for the powers that be to pit demographics against eachother.. this is why they fear monoethnic/monolithic europe in barbara spectres words.. because they can't do that shit in a monoethnic society if someone tries to fuck with them they ALL FIGHT BACK..

It's not just a matter of living together the reason they do it is that you can't form a united resistance cause you have 10 different ethnicities or wtf ever, with no blood loyalty to that nation or soil.. only if the majority ethnicity has blood loyalty can it even work.. is why they are busy making europeans ethnic minorities in their own nations dummies!!!

It's cute when Paganiggers blame Christianity for the fall of Rome whilst ignoring the fact that the far more Christian Eastern Roman Empire survived for a thousand years after the West fell.

Rome fell because
>centuries of corruption and ineffectual leadership
>plagues
>technological and social stagnation
>financial crises
>miscegenation
>people literally stopped giving a shit about Rome
>ENDLESS CIVIL FUCKING WARS
>migrations of hundreds of thousands of foreign people into the empire

Coriolanus, you un-cultured fuck

I just wanted to shit on Germans. I know the fall is more complex than that.

You should have lead with the last part because that's the crucial lynchpin. miscegenation and mass immmigration. and multiculti/multiethnicism..

It never fails to destroy both empires and nations. Civic nationalism has always been a farce and the kikes know it. Because there's no blood loyalty or unifying "us against them". It's instead a discussion of which demographics wants what.. i fucking hate this kike bullshit.. they have their own nations.. be a nationalist in your own nation where your own people are and you have bloodright instead of larping as a civic nationalist.. i'm surprised that the civic nationalist bullshit even got so far.. it means literally nothing if you don't have blood loyalty to your nation/people which only happens if you were of the founders of it or of those lineages.. Which is why it pretty much doesn't work in a non monoethnic situation.. To an immigrant, blood loyalty to all that effort doesn't mean shit when you come for gibs and cheap professional opportunities.

Perfect thanks for this I never understood this as well as I do today

Still a valid point NOT TO TURN A CHEEK.

jews killed jesus because he called them out you fucking retard

That and also they didn't know what inflation was. Diocletion came close, he figured out putting more silver into the coins. They were also butt raped on the regular by plagues breaking out in their urban centers.

Just look at the US now.. in the past US could have true nationalism because it was 80-90% white.. what the fuck will some pablo from mexico care about bloodright for the creation of the US? he's all la raza and texas should be part of mexico or whatever.. waving fucking mexican flags.. it's ridiculous.. and that's precisely what happened to rome aswell. If rome is going to war or defending itself and people are split between 10 different ideologies and ethnicities or whatever.. who the fuck gives a shit about rome!

MULTICULTI/MULTIETHNICITY = DEATH OF ROME.. and the kikes don't want you to know this because if you did you would end immigration post haste.

what is nationalism, there's no american that even truly knows it sadly after all this, but it's loyalty to your nation and your people. If your people aren't even your people what the fuck are you swearing loyalty to.. You think i'm going to fight a war to defend my nation so some somali can rape my little kid inside my nation in the meantime, no the real answer is if that was how my nation was constructed i wouldn't give a flying fuck about fighting for those that wasn't of my blood and my ethnicity. I mean you honestly expect people to lay down their lives to defend a nation constituting of some some arab or nigger or paki or somali middle majority and a few white people.. fuck that shit. if you're of european lineage.. and that's what crushed rome. There's no incentive to fight for rome when rome is no longer rome.

>Edward Gibbons
see this is like the most intellectually dishonest argument. Considering a pinnacle of the bible was giving a prophecy that Rome would destroy the jews Temple, and calls the Jews the synagouge of satan (9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.) means you're brainwashed into never having an organic thought in your entire life.

Rome never fell you dumb jewbag.

>Jews were irrelevant in world history until the industrial revolution
so irrelevant every civilization in history didn't want them on the premises

They left all the work to slaves and became lazy and weak

So you want me to study tons of history just to answer your dumb question.

It was probably Jews anyway. Fuck off man.

>implying the Roman Empire fell.

It still exists...

christians

they started giving out welfare (literally bread and circus)

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The jews convinced the romans to allow the foreigners in to live amongst the romans.

The identity faded. Rome died out exactly how the west is dying out right now.

With the same hook nosed faggots pushing the same hook nosed horse shit and its going to kill a lot of people.

All the hatred jews get they earn in spades.

wheres the best place to go to learn about history. i need something easy to underdstand and i want to be spoonfed so no books

Aqueducts fed into homes and baths via lead pipes, and pewter dishes. Ironically the better their infrastructure and tools became, the worse off they were mentally. also, I thought the Roman legions were afk when the Germanic tribes attacked but I can't remember

Their armies were full of foreign mercenaries by this time and, yes, they were politically weak and morally soft.