Are you ready for SSGSS Trunks and Black Goku?
Are you ready for SSGSS Trunks and Black Goku?
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Is it called Black Goku or Goku Black?
I've been wanting to get off this shit ride since it started. But I can't. Every week I sit here, cringing and crying. They just don't stop buturing this series.
Why does Toriyama enjoy torturing me so much?
Why trunks is SSGSS now?
You're asking the wrong questions.
The question should be: why isn't everyone SSGSS at this point?
What if this Future Trunks is from another universe? What if GT Goku is from another universe?
Hyped for the new tournament already.
Toriyama's wording with "Wasn't the future supposed to be peaceful?" And that "Future Trunks was already pretty strong" or whatever it was makes it sound like this will be the same one we know.
Golden Cell incoming.
not White Cell
Don't get your hopes up, it's just gonna be Black Goku.
Black Goku is probably the Dragonball version of Black Adam.
not dark goku
This is fucking cringy, as is the whole Black Goku concept.
don't you dare diss my homie dark goku, he's gonna negro-hame-ha your ass till tuesday
Super 18 incoming.
Goku Black. I don't get why the Kanzenshuu translator wants to change the name's order. Also, the "Goku" is written in katakana, like a foreign word, rather than the usual kanji.
so does each timeline have its own 12 universe or do each of the 12 universe have its own multiple timelines independent from the other universes (if the other universes even have multiple timelines)?
more importantly, how many of these timelines are black timelines?
and where is asian vegeta?
It provably means he is evil. Like a Goku that never got brain damage from falling of a cliff when he was little.
Goku Black in Katakana, now this is an interesting fact, which might led us to assume, that Goku Black is not actually Goku at all
this shit is going to get confusing if not done right. i hope toriyama pulled it off well
So Turles then?
Trunks never awakened the Android 16 in his timeline, because he never explored Gero's secret lab
We will never have them have a T-800/John Conner relationship
no time patrol #16 for Xenoverse
Trunks had to deal with Buu waking up all on his own.
How strong must he be now?
At worst, he had to deal with Dabura.
There is no way Buu would have woken up without Goku and Vegeta fighting each other.
had to deal with Buu
Majin Buu showed up when Trunks was a child in current timeline
Because you are beyond salvation. I already dropped this shit.
Nigger goku with white super Saiyan hair.
Gotenx kept SuperBuu in check and he's just kid Trunks' power tripled
Im sure that Future Trunks is stronger, if not just as strong as Gotenx
Trunks' timeline had obviously gone through a different series of events besides the Androids causing mayhem. Otherwise, Beerus would've blown up the planet when he showed up and found out Goku was dead.
not Black Goku, it's Goku Black, with Goku and black written in Katakana, using the english word black instead of kuro
As far as I understand it, each timeline has its own 12 universes.
i hope this isn't the case
and is just a translation error
what thats supposed to mean?
they already have done that with turles
If there's an evil Goku, what about Vegeta? Or is Cabba the Vegeta of that universe?
The question should be if there is a good Vegeta.
He was just a movie only Saiyan that looked like Goku for no reason/halfassed reason
Black Goku is Goku from another dimension.
Black Goku is Goku from another dimension.
can't toriyama come up with something new
instead of this evil counterpart garbage
I thought universes 6 and 7 were the only similar ones and they only have similar planets and races, not completely similar persons.
I think you mean alternate timeline?
it's coming from future trunks' timeline, still the same universe
So Goku becomes a nigger?
trunks now have cyan hair
another reason why SUPER is not canon
But there are alternate timelines too. Goku Black appears first in Trunks, so he might even be from some yet unseen alternate timeline. there's also the chance that he isn't even Goku considering how his name is written kind of oddly.
Bulma and Trunks are canonically supposed to have the same hair color. Don't worry. Toei will change him to purple hair and leave Bulma with the usual blue.
At least the nips know which audience in the west eats this shit up. Well pandered.
How the hell could he get this strong? Unless Beerus or Whis takes a special interest in him for some reason, this seems impossible
There is a possibility of Nappa being SSJB in one universe
I just want this to happen.
Bulma with cyan hair isn't bad, but Trunks iconic haircut would be ruined
Perhaps Trunks brought back everyone with the dragon balls, Porunga still exists right? but at some point, some ancient evil awakens and turns goku evil and starts doing evil shit.
HERE COME DAT BOI
implying Supreme Kai and Trunks would let him wake up
Trunks would have hit SSJ2 and absolutely wrecked every one of Babidi's minions. With Supreme Kai's guidance he would have had possibly a tricky time with Dabura, but Trunks is a much more serious fighter than the others and would have no problem killing someone before they could transform/power-up.
Hoping the interaction between future and young trunks is like the one young trunks had with tapion.
Makes sense, with peacetime Bulma could work on a spaceship and the Namek's owe Goku everything so they'd gladly give Trunks the wish.
could someone explain to me how Future Trunks can even go to the past... which is now the future...completely unreleated with his present...which split after the cell saga?
don't ask, probably bulma added some extra features to his time machine
THIS IN NOT FAIR
How old was trunks when he met Goku? how much time passed after he killed the androids until he met Cell?
why do you want to know this...?
are you telling me...AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
THAT IS THE CURRENT TIMELINE FUTURE TRUNKS, NOT THE CELL SAGA ONE!
So his skins lights up black.
I'm so ready for Trunks to look cool again and not really do a whole lot.
How in the fuck would that work anyway? If it's the same Trunks what half-assed excuse will they give to have a evil Goku as the main bad? Sounds like a cheap Cell rehash to be frank.
Not really evil though just trued to his natural behavior. Saiyans are supposedly to be barbaric monkey man that only care about fighting an completely lack of empathy. Goku is like that but slightly less barbaric.
Goku is a freak and Vegeta is a degenerate by his society standard.
his new outfit from bulma looks like the same green sweater time patrol trunks uses in xenoverse
This was apparently an idea from the show's writing/editorial team, not Toriyama. He just went with the suggestion.
Though I don't really have high hopes for the series anyway. He still has ten more universes and gods to go through and probably needs a villain strong enough to threaten all of them including the Omni-King.
MT Trunks is only 10ish, FT Trunks was around 20. He still got plenty of time to move around.
can goku black be a android version of goku?
gero recreated goku so he could kill the real one
people thinks that trunks had to deal with buu
Buu was never revived in his timeline.
Babidi went to the earth because it was full of strong warriors. Almost everyone was dead in there so he never went to he earth and gathered enough energy.
Even going to the earth there was not way to him to gather all that energy with just trunks be the only strong one.
If I remember correctly there was a plot in one of the PSP games around it. One of the cool parts was old Kai giving his life to future Gohan instead of Goku.
WE WUZ SAIYANS AND SHIT
Trunks was 17 when he killed Freeza, so he was probably about 18 during the Android Saga. He trained in the Room of Spirit and Time for 2 years so he was 20 during the Cell Games. Then he killed Cell 3 years later, so he was about 23 during his last appearance in the manga.
Trunks was 8 during the Buu Saga so he's like 14 during Super.
what are you talking about? No he wouldn't have, he would have gone to King Kai's planet.
Note that in the 6 years Goku was dead in the main universe he unlocked super saiyan 2 and 3.
You don't think he would have unlocked at least that if he had died of a heart disease earlier?
Also, it was a prophetic dream.
He wouldn't have HAD the dream in Trunks' timeline.
Also, Babidi wouldn't have had enough power to revive buu in Trunks' world, and Kaioshin would have stopped him.
He's the son of the smartest person on the planet, possible the universe, and the prince of an elite race. He's pretty unique. And if Goku/Vegeta are dead in that timeline, he'd be the strongest on the planet.
Babadi went to Earth because that's where Buu's pod was. Read the manga you blubbering retard.
Present Trunks is going to be ignored because Toriyama is a fucking hack that can't come with something for the boy that loves fighting and his daddy.
not SSGSS Golden Super Perfect Cell
Now, seriously, how could they stop that?
Super Cyan Gogeta
Every single thread you show up and project your daddy issues onto Trunks and Goten even though everything you say is totally contradicted by the first 5 pages of the epilogue.
I going to laugh if Future Gohan comes back, he is really powerful but does nothing as this is the Goku and Vegeta's show.
Too bad Super says otherwise.
Or present Trunks will see how strong his future self is, and sneak off with Goten to train in the room of spirit and time
then come out, having had a growth spurt, and looking more like trunks did when Gohan was killed.
If Toriyama accepted the idea of an evil Goku, even when it sounds cheaper than a YT videos, is so difficult to give a bobe for Trunks and Goten?
what is a bobe?
That game was a shitload of wasted potential.
What a wreck.
What if he's based on Dragon Ball Evolution Goku?
Godzilla did the same thing with the 1998 version of Godzilla after renaming him Zilla.
Are you ready for SSGSS Trunks
and Black Goku
Couldn't they have come up with something better than Black Goku? God Damn
wait, when he comes how old would he be older then Gohan?
in one word Turles.
They reenacted the same exact shit that has happened in the main timeline already.
Yeah, pretty much.
He'll be 23 at the youngest, but odds are, since it takes time to charge the time machine, he'll be closer to 25
so yes, still older than Gohan.
It doesn't sound as weird in Japanese. You can say someone is "a black person" if they're wearing all black for example, it just doesn't translate well in english but we wuz kangz n shiet
not blood red cell
My headache speaking for me, I meant a bone.
Not Detroitto? WE WUZ EVALINSHIT
is this the same future trunks as the one we had back in z or one from a different future?
The only thing we have a consensus on is that Super just jumped the shark. First rehashing the movies, then copying dbaf, gt, and fanfiction.net. This is going to suck very hard.
definitely the same
the description mentions that "his time was supposed to be peaceful now"
Next up in Dragon Ball Super, adult Trunks will be putting in his first appearance in a long time! I put together this story based on a suggestion from the editorial office. Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.
Despite being so strong, Trunks barely escapes from the future with his life.
The future was supposed to be at peace, so what in the world could have happened!?
And what about this foe too strong even for Trunks to handle, Black Goku!? (Well, you can probably imagine what he’s like just based off the name)
It’s the start of a battle that surpasses time and space, and drags in the God of Destruction, Kaiōshin, even the Omni-King! Many mysteries will be revealed!
There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story!
Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!
GT Goku dead so its all up to SSJ4 Vegeta
I'm calling it, it will be related to Xenoverse.
Could black goku be the legendary ultra super saiyan??!
If Super Saiyan Gods get blue hair when they go Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, and Trunks already had blue hair, does that mean that he's already a God and is just holding his SSB state like Goku did while training for Cell?
Trunks still has his sword
Sweet. Will he actually use it to win some fights or will it be trashed because muh honour or insert convenient plot device?
Finally, Toriyama is catering to his most faithful demographic.
Babidi went to the earth because it was full of strong warriors
Buu was never revived in his timeline.
Look you muppets.
Buu's pod landed on Earth.
Babidi seeing Earth was in ruins could've simply left the fucking planet to find more energy.
Eventually over time he would find enough energy to release Buu.
Kaioshin could have found Trunks while trying to track Babidi.
And whilst Babidi and the gang was off gathering energy from random warriors around the galaxy, Kaioshin could've told Trunks to train.
Kaioshin: "Dude, you need to power the fuck up fast because within the next 3 years shit will hit the fan on a universal level."
Trunks: "Sure thing homie, let me unlock SSJ2 in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Wait, what's this? SSJ3!? What a surprise!"
Babidi releases Fat Buu.
Fat Buu gets curbstomped because if you remember, SSJ3 Goku said he could've beaten Fat Buu.
You're all fucking retarded.
I put together this story based on a suggestion from the editorial office.
Confirmed for Cell Saga 2.0.
So... Best saga?
Wait a minute...
Fuck you don't think this "Black Goku" is Bardock do you?
- Future Trunks came back because of fan popularity.
- Bardock is popular, Toriyama knows this.
- Bardock survives the explosion of Planet Vegeta because of merchandising...
- Bardock is Super Saiyan level
- Bardock has had all the time in the world to train to higher levels
Fuck, Black Goku is codename for Bardock.
Calling it now.
I have a fun game for you.
Go to the Black Twitter subreddit, press "new" and count how many posts it takes before you spot a DBZ reference.
I'd say "I'll wait", but this won't take long at all.
Why do idiots keep watching this shit?
The animation is utter shit, the plot is fanfic shit tier.
Holy shit, it's like you faggots love to eat shit but again, this is Sup Forums
Pic related is "ecchi"
Going to reddit
I think you should go back, reddit.
You're just mad because you don't know any black anime nerds IRL, they're the best kind
I dunno. It's just that in the Cell Saga Toriyama kept making up new villains due to editors suggestions. It also ended up as the darkest Z saga.
This new story sounds like it's going to be darker than previous Super stories and also comes from editor suggestions.
Maybe so, there are virtually no nigs in my country.
nigga that's clearly Racer X
Black Twitter subreddit
But white people make 90% of these.
Oh shit yeah.
Everybody go home, myth busted.
Looks like some deviant art oc. This is full blown sonichu grade bullshit
looks like some deviant art oc
Look at the pic again, more closely this time.
Because true Dragon Ball fans will watch and support anything Dragon Ball related, especially if it's from Toriyama himself. Don't shill up this board with your naysaying faggot
I have no doubt, but the tweets themselves are from black users. White and black users alike are just capping and posting them.
Even GT was way better than this shit.
The power levels of the cell saga are what attracted babidi and his crew to revive buu. None of that happened in future Trunks' timeline, and the only things running around are the androids and their invisible power levels. It makes perfect sense babidi would have skipped the planet over or come back later when Trunks was fighting unknown enemies after returning from the past.
The whole concept of an evil Goku sounds so retarded in a series where Goku and Vegeta are the main focus. This is turning GT 2.0.
This is turning GT 2.0.
I disagree, at least GT had a coherent plot.
Dragon Ball Super Shit is now fanfic.
Remainder evil Goku was already done.
Don't you mean at least GT didn't reuse Goku's character into other to feed Toei's Goku boner?
Just adapt that one doujin where Vegeta is sent to Earth and Kakarot is an evil muay-thai-using dick who works for Freeza.
It's been GT 2.0 ever since it was announced
Why do all latin dubs have terrible audio quality?
Could they not afford decent audio equipment and audio rooms or something?
GT had a coherent plot
You obviously didn't watch GT
This picture always depresses me. Art design plays a bigger role than people think.
It's because shitty Youtube compression
I did, and even if the plot was stupid sometimes, it's not as bad as Super.
Because that video is the re-upload of re-upload.
Aside from the design he was a complete failure as an evil Goku though. Evil Goku should be someone who places his love of fighting and becoming stronger above everything else - not caring if he destroys cities during training or whatever, not just a generic wanna be conquerer guy. There's no shadow mirror there, their similarities don't even come up in dialogue aside from Gohan's quick comment about his face resembling Goku's.
Good Goku is just an autistic manchild.
Turles is just a man who wants to conquer things.
Turles is a good bad Goku.
The music in this sounds fucking terrible. I prefer the shitty youtubed compression one posted earlier. It's like the highs are too high or some shit.
Because he posted a cover.
Or just look for Cesar Franco - Mi corazón encantado.
That guy isn't the original guy who sang the into, he is another guy doing cover.
The guy who sang the original intro is an unknown guy.
Yeah, I miss the fuckin muscular gritty look dbz had. Even though a lot of the art in episodes was inconsistent and shit, I still enjoyed the art way more than super. Super is just too clean
Is that supposed to be Trunks?
Trunks never awakened the Android 16 in his timeline, because he never explored Gero's secret lab
Bulma's time machine was flawed in that it caused "booms" whenever it was used, altering the past as it travels to it. The time machine was used three times, that's why 16 wasn't scrapped, 17&18 were stronger, and 19&20 were androids.
ONE FUCKING JOB
Hace años un fan inventó el nombre "Alejandro Arnais", asumiendo que este era el nombre de quien interpretó en español las canciones "Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku" y "Hitori Janai", esto se corrió por internet haciendo creer a cualquiera que ese era el nombre del desconocido intérprete, cosa que fue desmentida por la mismísima Loretta Santini a través de Proyecto DBFandub diciendo que solo recordaba a un tal Lisandro, aun así es un completo misterio, ya que a pesar de haber dirigido a esa persona en la grabación de los temas, no recuerda de quién se trataba. César Franco hizo unos covers de los temas de Dragon Ball GT en versión extendida para DBFandub, por lo que muchos volvieron a caer en la idea de que César era el intérprete original, cosa absolutamente errónea. Loretta Santini afirmó que conoció al cantante porque este estudiaba teatro con su hermana Garda y al ver la gran voz que tenía decidió llamarlo para cantar estos temas, sin embargo dijo que después de la grabación no volvió a saber mas de él.
It's trunks and giorno, since there both pretty boys someone drew that. It wasn't really relevant to the post though
Jumping the Shark is the moment when an established long-running series changes in a significant manner in an attempt to stay fresh. Ironically, that moment makes the viewers realize that the show's finally run out of ideas. It's reached its peak, it'll never be the same again, and from now on it's all downhill.
Some examples of clues which may (although by no means necessarily) indicate that a show's made the "jump":
- The show tries too hard to stay "current", even when it doesn't make any sense, or when the writers are obviously two decades behind the times.
- For animated series, Art Evolution that does the exact opposite, i.e. making the animation even choppier than fluid.
Fucking this. Buu awakened because Goku and Vegeta were retards, but Trunks is better in that regard and could have killed Babidi and company in "nothing personal" style just like he did with Frieza.
We could had all the cast searching for the Super Dragon Balls in alien planets, having mini adventures likes: Jaco and Krillin as space cops, Gohan and his family keeping the universe at peace as the great Siayaman(s) but ultimately promotion Mr. Satan's greatness, Bulma inventing things and Goku and Vegeta punching things, but no we need Multiverse and Absalon level of shit.
Multiverse is way better than Super, it actually explores the idea of alternate universes.
Fuck, does this make Time Patrol Trunks non canon?
Xenoverse/DB Online makes sense with what happened to Future Trunks, but this contradicts that(?)
Unless they're one in the same
Multiverse is way better than Super
Could be cute if it didn't have ideas like "Bra is 100000x stronger than Vegito and doesn't even like training"
Early Mutiverse was good, now it's only Vegetto and Bra are the ultimately shit.
Time Patrol Trunks becomes canon
Obviously the OC character you make for the game can't be in Super
So they have Taino take said character's place as his "partner"
I FEEL IT IN MY BONES
Do you remember the black star dragon balls?
But Bra is about to get a good dicking.
Videogames and anime
As much as he's likely to become SSBlue, Trunks is not confirmed to be SSGSS just yet.
implying it won't be Bardock controlled by Towa
Well, as long as I get to see Towa the
Semen Demon. And her transformation is even better.
Vegetto the Crybaby and Mary Bra Sue: The Manga
Better than Super
DB Online was written by Toriyama and stated to be canon at the time, Xenoverse is basically a more grounded DB Online.
Looks at views of related videos OP and ED wise
Buu OP and ED has more views than Z OP and ED. So does GT but not as much as Buu
Why do Latinos like Buu and GT so much
The power levels of the cell saga are what attracted babidi and his crew to revive buu.
I don't believe this is correct since Dabura mentions that when they scouted earth in the past, no one on the planet should have been able to stand up to pui-pui, let alone Yakon.
Le sad final episode :'(
still better than the garbage that is Super, Toei put more effort into GT than they did with Filler Fanfiction Quality Super
Maybe it just mean "negative goku" or "opposite goku" or "Evil goku"
He probably won't be "Nigger Goku"
true Dragon Ball fans
You might not have a good enough grasp of Dragon Ball's plot to realize it, but nothing in GT made any sense at all. As bad as Super is, GT was worse.
inb4 Black Goku is worse than fanfic evil Goku because Toei fucks everything up and Toriyama is a hack
mfw if the plot for Super were leaked prior to it being released, fan designs and the hype would've been better than what he actually got
As bad as Super is, GT was worse.
Elaborate, how is exactly GT worse?
This Opening still gives me PSDT. Why did GT Opening sounded and looked more like soemthing out of the 70s
you fags young enough to not have remembered the website 'DA BLACK GOKU'?
there was even a wav that played: 'I AM DA BLACK GOKU'
inb4 casual/normiefags catch wind of Black Goku and start making shit jokes and cringy memes out of it
GT at least feels more Dragonball-y, Super already feels washed out and dragged out what with the QUALITY and a few filler episodes earlier on. Not to mention the meh transformations (although the SSGSS with Kaioken was alright), jobbers are still jobbing, and shitty pacing due to Toei writers having to adapt Toriyama's plot for 100 episodes of Super. This all feels like a cheap cash grab on the franchise that deserved much more. Who knows, hopefully the next arc will fix the show, but people will keep saying that until the show ends.
I'm a different user but
It bastardized it in a worse way. While Super makes the other characters outside of vegeta and goku useless, GT made them outright evil and unlikable which is a greater sin.
I'd rather the characters be fun and lighthearted than be cunts.
This is just one of the problems with gt
If you don't understand how little sense the black star dragon balls make then I don't know what to say. Have you ever thought about why Piccolo would make Dragon Balls that would destroy the Earth if anyone ever used them? Or why he kept them? Or why no one ever mentioned them or saw them on the dragon radar? This is from the first episode.
one in the same
in the same
And TPFT was never canon. Nothing in video games only are ever canon to anything outside of video games.
It was nice of Xenoverse to build on DBO, but what's a game is still a game.
Granted, the Black Star Dragon Balls may have been bullshit but consider that GT isn't canon.
T had some pretty deep symbolism,and nostalgia to it,i mean it brought back the young Goku while also having a normal size Goku with ssj4,not to mention they brought back the Giant Ape concept with ssj4.They brought back so many forgotten notions like the planet Vegeta's origins and the revenge of the Tuffles.And not to mention the fact that the Dragon Balls were so important in this anime,I mean it's called Dragon Ball.They even showed there is a price to pay for spamming the dragon balls like they did in the past...Also Piccolo reached such an enlightened mindstate that he saw no place for himself on Earth,maybe even so he cannot see the others grow old and him staying the same,maybe he could not bare to see Gohan,the first being who acknowledged him...die before him.
GT may have plot holes but it's far better than the Super turd.
Black star dragon saga was retarded but I think after that things get better. I enjoyed the Shadow Dragon Saga a lot it added consequences to over using the dragon balls and the shit with Nuova shenron was touching. It was also nice to see Goku be happy about finding his grandfathers dragon ball and caring about it again.
I hate Super's shinny skins, it makes the characters look too plastic.
Beerus has the dream. Whis shows him Goku and tells him Goku is dead but mentions how Future Trunks also has the super saiyan ability. then they go confront him on earth since also had the ability to beat Freiza
Posting a good OP must been he likes GT.
we aint land on planet vegeta planet vegeta landed on us!
after some bullshit with a meteor
Both are shit, but GT was made because we want money and muh Goku. Super was made to promotionate DBH.
GT made them outright evil and unlikable which is a greater sin.
user. stop posting you are drunk. With the exception of Pan and Trunks everyone in the cast was likable in GT when they weren't fighting.
Fucking finally, the second best character, just after Gohan, is coming back.
DBS is saved.
DBS is saved
This is what anons said when it was reveled the first original saga was going to be a tournament and see is here. I doubt it, I doubt really hard.
SS4 looks more like what a Saiyan would worship than SSG.
He is neither Goku or Vegeta. He will be a jobber.
thank mr toriyama
this shit sounds based af
Is that legit canon?
Because younger me spent a while literally working out why things were different based on how Trunks changed the timeline. I came up with a pretty decent explanation in the end.
Long story short, 19 and 20 existed in Trunks' timeline too, they were the ones who attacked that first city as a test and destroyed it before any of Goku's group could get there (which is why they were never seen, after all why would Goku and such go there when there are no power levels to tip them off). After this 19 and 20 go back to Gero's lab and he begins to work on 17 and 18. Due to his inability to control them Gero decides to try to make them more controllable by weakening 17 and 18 and eventually dismantles 16 after deciding that he is not necessary. However when 17 and 18 are awakened they still refuse to obey and kill Gero and 19 with ease even though they are weaker now (because even though they are weaker than in the normal timeline, they're still stronger than Gero and 19). The weakened 17 and 18 then go on their world-wide rampage and kill everyone who have not had a warning and therefore did not train and become strong enough to challenge them.
In the normal timeline, when Trunks warns everyone about the androids he is only aware of 17 and 18 as they are the only androids that were ever seen by the fighters in his timeline. His warning pushes them to train and become stronger and most importantly, to be at the city when it gets attacked by 19 and 20. Being pursued by the fighters pushed Gero to awaken 17 and 18 before he had weakened them and doesn't give him time to dismantle 16. Basically he got rushed by the good guys knowing where to show up to stop him and didn't have enough time to prepare as a result (though his preparations would ultimately fail anyway).
So did young me waste his time developing that headcanon or is your post also just a theory?
Goku Black might actually be a way for Vegeta to beat "Goku" without actually beating him, thus maintaining the status quo.
Is that legit canon?
No, it's not. It's just his own theory, just like yours.
Heck, I don't think 17 and 18 are even necessarily weaker in the future, considering how they mention that they had been holding back before killing Gohan.
Future Trunks held hands with 5 other saiyans and became a super saiyajin goddo
Nah, Goku Black will be a main villain of a serious arc. Vegeta won't beat him (or, if he does beat him, he'll just get a power up and turn the tables afterwards).
SSJ Future Trunks always gives me a boner, tbqh.
Well we already know he doesn't beat his Copied self. Goku handles that.
They'll beat him with fusion, making Gogeta canon.
He's a bicurious man's dream. Able to go from slim and dextrous to thick and hunky at will.
Realistically, Vegeta and Goku wouldn't need to fuse. The two of them working together would be enough.
But we know that Goku gets a severe case of DOMS after the recent tornament and can't use instant transmission, while Vegeta is out on some far away planet to collect Goten and Trunks. They'll be split up soon and can't fuse OR fight together.
That's impossible. All the earth saiyans are dead in his timeline.
That said it's really not necessary. Vegeta was able to achieve SSGSS without holding hands (which honestly kind of shit all over the entire arc where they introduced this new ritual of legend when the ritual isn't actually necessary) so in theory there's no real reason Trunks couldn't have also done this.
That said, I'm hoping that he hasn't attained that level yet as it would need some serious explaining as to how he even found out about it, let alone how he did it without even witnessing the ritual. I would prefer him to be something else, like a really strong SSJ3 or something.
The only real problem with that is explaining how he survived Black Goku while also having Black Goku be a credible threat. If this villain is supposed to be strong enough to give Goku and Vegeta trouble he would have destroyed anyone weaker than SSB level instantly.
But whatever, they'll write it how they write it I suppose. Having it simply be "Alternate timeline Beerus heard about the prophesy and came to earth, then he somehow ended up training Trunks to be strong enough to fight him and that's how Trunks became SSB" wouldn't be impossible to believe. Hard to believe considering how aggressive and impatient Beerus was before fighting Goku but not impossible if Whis intervened or something.
If you haven't noticed. Toriyama really REALLY doesn't like doing co-op fights.
Characters fighting together and using numbers to overwhelm the opponent never happens in Dragonball, even when they do have a numbers advantage they all attack one at a time for some reason or all try to attack at once, do a short flurry of ineffective attacks then split up and fight the opponent one at a time.
There has never been a single Dragonball fight that was won because multiple characters fought in tandem to defeat a single opponent, the closest to it was when Gohan and Krillen gave Goku an assist to beat Vegeta.
Is it Dragonball or Dragon Ball?
I don't know or care but Google always auto-corrects to Dragonball.
Don't forget how Cell was killed because all the Z fighters blindsided him with simultaneous ki attacks while he was in a beam struggle with Gohan.
I used to just call it DBZ as a catch all, but now you can't do that. Even saying DB makes it sound like you're refering to the first series.
It was only Gohan and Vegeta in the manga but in the anime Yamcha, Ten, Krillin and Piccolo help out.
post pic of him erected
Black Goku is Super Saiyan Black
I can dig that
So what is this, super saiyan with blue hair dye?
You also forget mention when Goku goes Golden Oozaru and then SS4.
we KNOW gohan is training
how strong do you think he will be after training?
Who's the nigger that started with this whole Bra being the Mary Sue shit? And why are people falling for it? Do they seriously not read?
He's going to have white hair, ironically.
Strong enough to seem like a credible fighter long enough that he can job to make way for Goku's inevitable victory over the villain.
I have my own opinion, I don't need anyone to realize the obvious.
Realize that your opinion is unfounded, baseless, and shit? Who would've thought.
Why are they literally spoiling us on what is going to happen?
dream team of gohan and future trunks is finally happening again
there's been whispers of this forever
The fact you are using insult just shows how "founded" your "opinion" is.
Just read the comic again and notice how no one except Gohan can call Bra on her shit, not even her daddy who's supposed the most special snowflake. Also even when she's wrong she's right, because it's not her fault she's the personality of a rock.
Lol i already told yall... Its nothing new you people just cant fucking read.
I told you about the "aftermath timeline" with future trunks before he becomes time patrol trunks.
Also about the "tyrant timeline" where goku is a galactic tyrant if he didn't play the hero...
Since 2014. The only difference is they were broken into arcs instead of specials.......... Smh...... How much more now!!!! Just because its not announced, doesnt mean they arent doing anything. Thats only one thing.
When the shit drops like i explained yall will still doubt it. Motherfuckers.
Did they fuck?
This shit will be incredible. Everyone who whines about the concept of an "evil goku" is a massive faggot who can jump off something.
Most of you probably don't even like combat fighting so why the hell do you watch a fighting series?
Go watch yugioh or gayblade....
No, its an alternate version of goku if he never bumped his head. You can be a jackass and say "nuhhh turles returns"?,
No this goku will be way more ruthless from japanese forums ive been on. I was on discord with some members and thats what they have managed to gather at toei.
These 2 arcs were going to be specials.. But toriyama is fleshing out other arcs. He got the greenlight for these 2 arcs (like i said a couple weeks ago).... Mfs still like "muhuu source"? Dumbasses.
Oh, and they said expect a 3rd film sometime in 2017..
Also said super will NOT go beyond eoz. But there will be a special.
But news can change at anytime because i usually get stuff early stages on the drawingboard.
Are you the Dragon Ball Ultimate faggot?
jumping the shark
Sure user, sure
This level of autism.
I have the strangest feeling even that webcomic did an Evil Goku. This is rather cliche & straight out of a fanfiction.
Ok, so i will give you a real update if you care to actually read and not do that dumbass "oh hes talking af fanfiction" bullshit. Which is why the fanbase think they know everything when on the otherside you only know what the company feels you should.
Yall scream proof, i hear yall, but pictures, videos, exc can easily be traced back because i have people getting it for themselves (gt specials and ultimate), but also working something out so it can be put in the right hands so that it will have proper treatment when it drops (unlike super or modern day toei in general)
Stuff has already made it to heroes, xenoverse, super so its a slap in the face..... Fuck it though im just shaking my head because its all there....
Turns out, this trunks is older, like 35.
And had a bunch of kids.
Discovering the ssg power on his own.
How would Trunks reach god mode by himself?
Thanks for answering my question faggot.
Time Travel, fucking multiple women, plot, etc.
Db ultimate never released. Toei abandoned the production.......
Also, the new announcement in super, i told yall about that long ago. Still making memes out my shit. Trying to help yall out but shit everything i said is there.....
user, you need to see a doctor. Having so many periods simultaneously is unnatural in your menstrual cycle.
Pan's anatomy was so bad, just legs and a short torso.
And im done. Its actually legit. I don't bullshit but i guess alot of folks on here do.
i am gay for future trunks
Don't shout your own personal problems bro.
Ur the faggot tho
makes a stupid baseless claim
gets called out on it
cry how about "insulting" instead of proving the accusation wrong
Shit nigger what are you even doing here?
no one except Gohan can call Bra on her shit, not even her daddy who's supposed the most special snowflake.
Bullshit because Vegetto did call her out on her shit and even threatened to withdraw her from the tournament if she let her anger control her when facing against her opponent. No one for except one or two people outside her own universe can even stand her.
People are for some reason trying to make it out that Bra is a Mary Sue and the main vocal point of the series when thats not even close to being the case.
.... I was right though. Everyone still refuses. So yall find out the rest of this shit by yourself over the course of years.
Whatever. Yall are fucking retarded and can't read for shit anyway.
Then when material is announced "omg its that thing" and still dont acknowledge it just because i said it... Muthafukkas.
I swear yall are bait like shit lol.
But you still don't win.
What were you right about? You didn't predict future trunks or black goku
he isn't, retard
Post Gohan and Videl please
"Oh we would know about it", "where and what are your sources"?, nothing was in production, nothing was planned, "you sure that wasn't a fanfic"?, (links to db sites with all the stuff ON THE MARKET), stupid shit......
I had those connections. Its not some godly concept a regular fan had ties through other individuals. Shit happens all the time. If you still don't comprehend, thats what the aftermath (future trunks timeline arc) and black goku (tyrant arc) came from...... I told yall.
Super Saiyan god.
shit, what are these from? way nicer than the version i saw.
I actually did you moron.
The future trunks arc is the "aftermath timeline" which was originally planned as a special, but broken into an arc instead (before he becomes time patrol trunks).
Also the "black goku" is a concept from the "tyrant arc" which was also planned as a special. Goku will have to fight an evil version of himself. Originally was going to be what "fukkatsu no f" was supposed to be about before toriyama heard the "furiza song" and changed his mind.
Still can't comprehend i see. Your levels or autism can break the internet if it reached its highest potential
Wow you predicted a shitty db series. Congrats
That doesn't make this fanfic tier garbage good
On June 12, 2016, Dragon Ball Super shows a new storyline… With Goku and the gang having finished the tournament against Universe 6, Trunks returns from the future and appears before them.
Great... so another month of filler episodes?
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Yes, if Goku vs Monaka was pretty good for a filler episode, you can expect the rest of episodes be that good, right?
We can still read your thread from the other day you know. You didn't mention it here.
Maybe you did before kazenshuu booted you from their forums, but not here.
Implying Toriyama didn't just forget his hair was purple.
tfw I liked the black star dragon designs
Its only fanfic tier when this fanbase wants to see fighters have faggot ass tea partys and sing alongs. Also when everything is half assed and poorly explained. Lazy looking transformations, lackluster fights, plot going in every fucking direction to a dumpsterfire.
Next i will hear sjws scream we dont like action, make it a pure comedy series. I wish the series would go to bones, i.g productions, madhouse, bones or some people more talented but TOEI is balls deep...
Seeing how shitty the last episode was, and the next one will be, it is.
What was shitty about it?
It was a great episode, you just have shit taste.
It was a "while" ago. But it was slightly different because at the time i recieced it they were planned as "specials" not "arcs".
Sometimes when they relay shit, it will be tweaked slightly from what they told me but basically the same shit. Or they will save the idea for later. Or some of the ideas never make it, but will actually use scrapped stuff to make new shit, just altered.
Happens alot with video games too.
I bet you half the people here don't know how a private location screening works, or what the purpose of one is.
It would make this alot easier....
Is Future Trunks the warrior with the most variety of attacks? I mean, Gohan trained him, so he knows how to perform Goku's techniques, Piccolo's techniques too (like Masenko) and Vegeta's techniques as well, plus the fact that he knows how to use a sword and he is good at it. Don't forget he has his own attacks, like that weird attack when he pulverized Freeza.
The problem with Dragon Ball threads is I'm pretty sure most people are talking about a completely different series than I am. Most people on Sup Forums have only seen the anime, and some of them probably don't even remember it all that well. I don't think people realize just how much the anime screwed up the manga.
You know what I wanna see from Dragon Ball in the form of a movie?
The story of Gohan.
Muh Gohan Fags.
Not Gohan the little boy turned man-Goku's kid, I mean Gohan.
I wanna see the story of how Gohan and the ox king met Roshi, a young Roshi maybe, and trained, up to the tragic end where Gohan tried to save Goku from destroying the planet to sacrificing himself cutting off his tail "Id hope he cut off his tail"
I think it would be neat. Gohan and Ox King duking it out at the tournament when younger.
I actually did you moron.
eeryone knew future trunks was coming soon
dark goku is predictable as well
Kanzenshuu chased some of their best people off who really contributed to the group.
If you weren't gobbling mikes nutsacks, you were banned. If you had anything you didnt like or knew shit he didn't, you were banned.
Kei17 is a prime example. Always had good shit. They fell out at one point. Thats another story though. Julian is alright though.
Thats just how the fanbase works. Mf think they know everything. The ones that are hands on can't talk about it and don't care. But if you ask them something you arent supposed to know, they will act clueless in front of you. In the office, they will try to track down how the shit got out.
It really did. Where are the competent studios?
I am with you in that. You don't know how pissed I am when people here say Super is more similar to the first part of DB, even when it's not remotely true.
God that picture makes my autism scream.
Young Goku's with wraps instead of belt, while showing belts in the full body above.
Having Goku red god out of place after Whis's training instead of before.
Having another Regular Goku and SS Goku in Whis signature outfit instead of having red, blue, then goku wearing Blue Gi to signify the end of Dragon Ball.
I haven't watched DB Super yet. Is this the original Trunks from the future? Or the 'present' Trunks as an adult?
Not that he was coming. I gave the entire synopsis in 2015 about the aftermath timeline. Its no different than the arc they are doing with future trunks except for they decided to turn that special into an arc.
Same with dark goku (tyrant timeline), but that came from heroes, heroes got that from the unreleased "gt dark son goku ssj5 specials" never put on the market due to poor private location screen numbers.
Everyone will see the dark goku as a second attempt at turles which is retarded but oh well.
It is Trunks from the future
I haven't watched DB Super yet
Why not? You can start now with episode 28
Does this franchise have anything remotely resembling a canon? There's so much bullshit to sort through.
But it's the same future Trunks, then? Neat.
You're not gonna like this, user. I'm warning you.
I'm waiting for the dub.
You aren't the only one waiting for it
They don't make entire shows and shelve them without seeing the light of day.
They make like 6-12 eps maybe, not a whole show plus two specials.
It'd be impossible to keep that under wraps.
Lazy looking transformations, lackluster fights, plot going in every fucking direction to a dumpsterfire.
Hey, like Ultimate, see?
It's based off of overall power level.
His power goes up from each picture moving left to right.
Goku as a kid, a teen, an adult, in SSJ, then SSJ2, then SSJ3, then "Saiyan beyond god", then Cho SSJ ,then SSJG, and finally SSJGSSJ
Gmez 9, please quit. You got ran off of one site for this stupid trolling already.
Lol no ultimate was perfect. Every hardcore action fanatic dragonball fans dream. Story, plot, exposition, etc.
In action it would be untouchable.
Every db series before and after pale in comparison, just like any action show out there. Its the treasure. No hype.
It's both Giorno. Read the manga.
That was a kid named teddy. Posting in the name gmez. He also went to suburbansenshi and randyrants but didnt know what he was talking about. He has a friend on fb named gojiitaaf........... They both do that shit. I never use my real name.
Does your real name start with a v? I bet it does.
So stop with this shit already.
A good Dragon Ball anime? Now I'm certain you're just making things up.
Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
He also had a deviantart by the name goku9. Don't listen to him i dont even associate with him anymore. Hes mad because i didnt show him shit because he threatened to post shit and got his contract broken.
He made the whole "hoshi" fiasco which turned out to be super if you read closely. Everyone thought it was the heroes animated promotionals labeling them hoshi......
They said "manga continuation of z" which is now known as "super". He can't read either.
The canon is the manga.
There's an anime adaptation, two anime sequels and a bunch of anime movies. Every single one of them is terrible.
just read his posts
Holy fucking shit
No, i will give you a hint. It starts with a j.
Thats also not how it worked back then. Especially when investors pulled the plug.
either you got suckered HARD by someone claiming to be "part of toei" or you are the most devoted troll I have ever seen in my life.
Dragon Ball Ultimate doesn't exist.
No one will ever believe you because it's nonsensical that a studio would spend millions of dollars on a show and then never air or sell it. Hell without even ANNOUNCING it.
Especially not a show like Dragon Ball, which is a merchandising golden goose.
The convoluted plot (that is not like DBSuper, despite your assertions) isn't the reason no one will ever believe you.
It's because of your absolute ass backwards description of the anime production process.
not how it worked back then
yes it was. How old are you? the entire process of anime production hasn't been turned on it's head in the last 10 years, you know
especially when investors pulled the plug
That's not how this works at ALL
Dragon Ball isn't a fucking startup!
This is the same ideology many fans have. This is why they think companies tell all. It never even reached final stages before they decided to go to another franchise.
We have records of all shows for those years and up to date. Some of those mangas/anime never made it. Same thing here. It happens alot dude.
Oh, I've got it
english is clearly not your first language.
shows get into preproduction all the time, and reach the pilot level and then get canned all the time.
Other shows get straight to series, but that might be a 12 ep run, and everything else is dependent.
We got shows like panty and stocking, which promises a season two "one day"
but no one makes an entire show and doesn't sell it. They have to generate some revenue to offset the millions it takes to make it.
No one just takes a loss that big.
The process you describe is much closer to what a video game company does, like blizzard gutting a 7 year long project and basically repurposing 50% of it into Overwatch.
They can do that because the bulk of the work is programming, not art.
Shows can't do that though.
Beast Wars ran into that very problem and instead of making the show they wanted, they had to leave tons of the cutting room floor (and the show was better for it).
Every hardcore action fanatic dragonball fans dream
Oh, so the cancer of the fanbase, Alright then
Considering they got the money from toei company which does more than anime, it was no big loss for them when they made their big 3.
There were alot of elements behind the scenes that it never dropped. It will be out but not in its original state. When it drops what will you say then?
I am just trying not to have the same crew doing super to do the remake for that.
Money talks. The only thing we did was remind them of something they abandoned. They dont have much interest. ITS STILL THERE.
Guess you also never heard of private location screens either or the laws behind them.
The fanbase with good taste. Everyone is an emofag now though.
Some people want an interactive dragonball.... Which i dont see being a hit.
Toriyama himself probably doesn't know. He's old, senile, and doesn't remember most of his own work anymore.
Toriyama has always been pulling shit out of his ass and making the story up as he goes along.
private location screens
maybe something's lost in translation, since English isn't your first language.
what's the original Japanese word for what you're talking about?
They went with naruto instead... Alot of people dont know but studio pierrot wasnt always a company, they were at first a small studio owned by toei. Even today is considered a freelance company owned by toei company.
interactive dragon ball
so a video game?
If this turns out to be true, I'm done with DB/Z.
Studio Pierrot was created from two studios, Tatsunoko and Mushi, of which only Mushi had a connection to Toei, because Tezuka worked for Toei in the 50s.
You can't seriously be suggesting that Toei dropped dragon ball to stealth fund studio pierro because 50 years prior one guy worked for Toei.
If you dont know what a private location screen is i cant even go further. There is no marketing for those........
I can't say private location test because thats usually for video games. Nowadays its easy to hear about them yes. We are talking about late 90s early 2000s. Internet was shit, even alot of people in their own region had no idea about what was going on.
Do you know how many times disney had private location screens from hundreds of shows we know that will never be seen? Scrapped movies, series, etc.
If i were to upload some shit i had the internet would literally break. But i like my life not behind bars.
your english needs work
I think you mean "Test Screening" not "private location screening"
I have a degree in animation. I'm aware of how this sort of thing works.
But the laws you mention A) would never lead to you being jailed and B) would be about copyright and C) would be non-disclosure agreements, not specific laws
stop making shit up. Not everyone here is 18 years old.
I was online interacting with international businesses back in the 90s.
None of this worked the way you say it worked.
17 & 18 absorbed the energy that read meant for buu and rekt everyone
Of course the internet has something whiny to say.
Showing anything that was never put out by the company will land you jailtime bigtime.. Especially when the company was in a lawsuit with a studio about the entire thing.
Basically stealing the IP of a big company.
Its not like a rare ova that is not well known or a collectors item. It was never put on the market because they didnt get the results they were looking for.
Dragonball and other BIG series dont work the same way as other anime. At that time dragonball was still their flagship despite gts performance. Unfortunately when something more promising came they jumped ship and went to other fresh works.
Today, even though the concept of the big 3 is changing, its evident it was a good Business choice. Im not mad just dissapointed that they never released it. It would be nice if they did oneday but its been years.
The studio that worked on it are disbanded.
The funds for the project were allocated to a different franchise (naruto).
just stop we dont care.
Exactly. Non disclosure agreements is what they had to go through. I never had to go through that. I was just there and was considered the reason they found such a thing.
I found out about it before i met them but couldn't find it on my own because you would have to work for the company to know about something like that.
Even if you do work for them, you still wouldn't know because lots of people are busy working on different projects and don't pay much attention to stuff they aren't working on.
The people involved would get their contracts terminated, fined, possible jailtime.
Anything that leaks is pr which is paid for if they intend to release it which is a marketing strategy (except for that miyazaki incident that was a mess).
My situation now. I have no ties to the company, but if i want to obtain footage i will be bound by contract. I want them for myself, but i also want them to work out a deal so that it can come out publicly
And it will be legal to show to everyone.
Super was announced and aired, z, gt, db as well. The worst they will do is ban your account if you upload episodes of shit that already was on the market.
Let some shit hit the net like a pic, video leak, scripts from an unreleased, unpublished work. They will be on your ass.
I've got some interactive Dragon Balls right here for you, baby.
Lol sure. But this is a dragonball thread. And my last one.
We care about dragonball I like DRAGONBALL. But your just autist seeking attention. I am tired of all complainers I am just happy to have new series fuck.
Showing anything that was never put out by the company will land you jailtime bigtime
I have to do a lot of IP law related stuff.
you will NOT be thrown in jail for IP violations
that's not how it works in any country I know of.
still their flagship
GT ended and you know what two Toei produced shows started?
One Piece and Digimon.
There was no time for them to "jump ship" as you say. They had already switched to working on new stuff before this "ultimate" thing could have even been made.
funds for the project allocated to a different franchise (naruto)
Toei funds dragon ball
Toei did not pay Pierrot to make Naruto.
Nope. Never happened.
You are not Snowden
these are not cables
you are not going to jail.
Quit pretending this is a thing.
I am happy about the new series as well. I like to let people know about lesser known shit because companies fuck over fans all the time.
I thought if there was a big enough movement for super, it would be easier to get toei to budge on the shit yall are tired of hearing me talk about.
All the options point to money, which i aint got that type of cash. They aren't even willing to sell it to another company despite not doing anything with it.
Wait, they have been cannibolizing it since 2010 up to now.
If super does good, it has a better chance. So does everything ive been saying.
I came here for advice. Even if you think its shit, what can fans who dont know shit about it do for it to be released?
jeez you do not stop at all. Not reading your llama drama.
It's not a thing.
I swear, you're as bad as that Kiyoshi Jackson kid who thought he was recording voices for RWBY because someone conned him into paying them for time in a recording studio.
That just sounds like someone who doesn't care if i go to jail or nor just to see content. You are horrible man.
thats what i was told by my attorney. Let somebody else do it. All they have to do is figure out how the tapes got out in the first place which won't be hard at all because you have to sign paperwork to even get them. The company is allowed to deny you. If you have a name for yourself in the business its not very difficult because they see you as a business asset.
Its all about money. Blackmarket japan maybe another option but i dont really want to go that route.
wtf is that yellow line on the first ss goku's head
that's not supposed to be there
Toriyama says he can't make God have white hair because of an upcoming villain
Later, Black Goku is introduced
He's the white Super Saiyan. It's exactly what Toriyama would do.
no ones asked for tapes
no one wants your content
and you don't have an attorney.
Nothing you say ads up to anything.
You keep mentioning Naruto, which has NO ties to this stuff.
You keep using improper words because you obviously don't speak english
you keep saying you were part of a test market screening, but make it very clear you aren't japanese, which means you would never have seen it since they don't do test markets in Brazil.
You've got this crazy theory, and that's fine, but you don't need to give it the "my dad works at nintendo" treatment.
The more you do, the less anyone will want to hear it.
You know what sucks? Vegeta won't respect his son because his power is so pathetic in comparison to his. Great thing about DBZ trunks is he surpassed his father when he got to Earth, then got surpassed himself and then they both trained to the same level. Now that Vegeta is a god, I am going to assume he won't be as curious.
Vegeta shown a lot growth though at end of DBZ and DBS.
Vegeta's less of a dick now so I don't think he'll act like that. Plus Trunks might have gotten stronger since the Cell saga.
Toei works on multiple series at a time. That would be a testimate as to why the ultimate project fell apart. Digimon was big and obviously one piece but toei tried to play monopoly and have as much big shows so they could merchandise the hell out of them. Kinda like today. At the time gt ended the next year they put out saikyo e no michi for 10th anniversarry. Even before that they took concepts that never made it into the gt tv series and tried to push specials. Thats where the evil goku specials come in (still gt). Only 6 parts, private screens werent received well. The other planned ones were never animated. That was a wrap.
Ultimate was conceived by a different team under toei, and it didnt work out for many factors. It was supposed to be in between gt's 100 year timeskip retconning the goku jr special and the tournament (the jrs in general). Also not having alot of heavy refrence to gt. There was originally only 3 sagas. Another studio made a 4th and toei threatened them with a lawsuit because the project was already dead by that time. Later on when funi offered money, they wrote a 4th saga in place of it but battle of gods came out shortly after, then fnf, now super. So all that shit took a backseat.
Toei investors had alot to do with the naruto anime becoming a thing. I already know about one piece by toei. Bleach same thing also by studio pierrot.
Toei investors had alot to do with the naruto anime becoming a thing.
that's not how investing works!
And there I thought the Baby saga was retarded enough.
Later on when funi offered money,
okay, calling bullshit
I've talked with a LOT of funimation staff, including those who were there for the founding
this just isn't how they operated.
In fact, they didn't have much money to offer back then. That's why they went with non-canadian voice actors, and their own music, because it was cheaper and allowed them to retain the rights.
It didn't even hit Toonami until 1998, and didn't become a cash cow for funi for another couple of years.
None of your timeline adds up.
Generally speaking, does anyone even remotely like any serie that has the MC fighting against an evil mirror self? Every time that comes up for "character development" and shit I just roll my eyes.
I never said "I" was part of the private location screening.
That was the rundown that was explained to me after my contact got his hands on them because he worked for the company. Only the evil gokus.
The only thing of ultimate he ever got were the final revised scripts. Which he paid viz media a bit to translate and transliterate them. The tapes they wanted a shitton of money for the whole series, but instead made a proposal for a remake based off of the success of bog and other db related content.
They went with super because it has Toriyamas backing, and is more geared toward merchandising........
The whole "my uncle this" most of the things i got exposure from were other people..... Networking and connections go along way man. I have friends that work for gaming companies, used to have a friend from funi, it's a small world. Im sure you do too but either people dont care to know, or think they know it all, or believes anything companies tell them. Which is cool. I only learned because all the shit he said would drop have.
This is going nowhere though. You wont find it on the net either.
star trek does it well
toriyama forgot what color his hair is
despite kid trunks being around
most of the things i got exposure from were other people
Then you were lied to.
Sorry my friend, but none of that happened.
Your "contact" was just being an attention whore.
Your friend is also an idiot. Viz doesn't do translations for hire.
They (FUNI) made that offer (2012) long after they merged with Navarre corp. But that was one of the reasons why they weren't interested. The only reason they listened was because funi made a business proposition because funi wanted it but they knew it would traditionally have to come out in japan first.
Funi didnt offer what toei demanded and basically ran around the bush until they decided to go with super.
Even if Babidi drained Trunks dry I don't think his timeline's Earth would have enough ki on it to wake up Buu.
toriyama didn't color that.
like all the art on the site, it's a production assistant that does it.
Toriyama does the source sketch, then someone goes in and redraws it and adds the colors.
Mistakes like this have happened with every new installment of dragon ball, but by the time it airs, its corrected.. usually.
They (FUNI) made that offer (2012) long after they merged with Navarre corp.
in 2012, Funi wasn't part of Navarre corp.
Also, Funi's agreement with Toei covered all existing shows, and gave them second dibs at theatrical releases (since Fox has first dibs ever since Dragon Ball Evolution, but thankfully they've deferred to Funi ever since).
The reason we STILL don't have dubbed Dragon Ball Super is because as a new show, they have to go COMPLETELY back to the negotiation phase and there are definitely other companies clamoring for it.
Most likely the company behind the Canadian version of Dragon Ball.
Kai was defaulted to Funi because so much of it was the original content.
stop making stuff up.
Naw eg is a thing. Ultimate i already saw the original scripts and talked with them.
Thats cool, but now what? Tapes. I was only able to get the evil goku specials through him.
Ultimate, however still have only seen the first few episodes from my friend prior to meeting him, and he moved. I was always looking but i lucked out and met the retired cat.
Its not even a matter of if, its how can we convince the company to take interest in something they swept under the rug?
If you can answer me that in a non troll way, i will ceast to post ever again you have my word. But i will come with results so be on the lookout.
Everything you're saying here is nothing but autistic fantasy.
The evidence that Funimation doesn't even have the rights to Super yet completely obliterates your insane ramblings.
And for the right price they will do it. Funi paid for it.
how can we convince the company to take interest in something they swept under the rug?
companies do this ALL THE TIME
deleted scenes, unaired episodes, the age of blu ray means extra content equals higher sales.
If this work is all done like you claim, and all paid for, then they could sell a Blu Ray box sex for half the price of their competitors and still be making 90% profit.
Even more if someone like Netflix approached them (as Netflix has been known to buy anime streaming rights)
"investors backed out" could never have been the reason it shut down in the first place, as investors are for up front money. The show is done, that means everything's already been paid. Distribution is the lowest cost of a show production.
Also, don't come at us with that "you're trolling me" reverse bullshit.
Funi paid for it
no they didn't.
Funi has their own internal translators for their own content.
Mate, he's obviously baiting you. We should all just mass report this autist so we can go back to discussing how much of a senile old hack Toriyama is.
When it comes to behind the scenes he knows way more than i do. Put it short, the ONLY reason i go on is because i did see the evil goku specials with ssj5.
I did have the opportunity on his behalf to talk to people in the company and they all seemed like it was ashame toei never put it out but wanted fans to experience it. Funi didnt have enough money to meet toeis demands for the deal.
Toei reniged on their word and went with super.
You are getting confused with 2 different time periods. There was ultimates conception and production, which at the time funimation knew next to nothing about it and was asked to debunk rumors about any new series in production. Around the same time when shit hit the fan with the af scandal. The dates match up as well.
Then there is what i was talking about when i knew him (2012) when funi made the offer but toei turned them down because anything with toriyamas backing is safer than another "gt" in their eyes.
but it pisses me off, especially when he talks about Funimation when I've known the guys (and gals) that work there for years, and he's basically calling them incompetant boobs for not being able to negotiate a deal for this best ever dragon ball series that somehow has like 120 episodes animated and 6 specials, and has been screened in various markets, but only one guy pretending to be three guys on the internet seem to know anything about it.
This sort of "my dad works at nintendo" bullshit has cropped up a LOT in the US animation market lately and it's starting to cause problems.
Like I said before, some guy claimed he was the inspiration and recorded voice (which supposedly was replaced) of a character in RWBY, because he knew the creator couldn't contradict him since he was, well, dead.
Attention whoring of this autistic level doesn't usually blow up into something so big like that, but it still fires me up. Pet peeve I guess.
I never said funimation was doing financially well. They were losing more money buying anime licences than they made back because people rather watch the subs. Been going on for years.
The only reason i mention funimation is because he used to work there which is how he got the information, and they wanted to make a profit off of it so they tried to convince toei to reinvest in their own abandoned project in hopes they could get their hands on it and milk it here in the states later on. But that was a fail.
Around the same time when shit hit the fan with the af scandal
Wow, are you underage?
AF wasn't a scandal
it was an april fools joke
Anyone who was a DBZ fan on the internet back then knew pretty quickly.
I never said funimation was doing financially well. They were losing more money buying anime licences than they made back because people rather watch the subs
They sell subs too you know.
This user is right. How could you possibly not know that AF stood for April Fool's? The only semi legitimate AF series was the webcomic series made by Toyble, who was lucky enough to have his work noticed and be officially signed on to create the manga for DBH and now DBS. Other than that, DBAF is nothing but a joke and fanfic wank.
Bet, but they wanted to do a complete remake because of the times. I wanted them to show the originals. They are going to act like its brand new knowing they been made that shit.
Thats true, but wouldn't the company have to know about it to make a deal?
So you're saying take this to a big company, and hope they work something out? It will be even harder now that super is airing though. Wouldn't that be like "conflict of interest" if you have 2 big shows from the same franchise airing at the same time?
I was thinking they put it in heroes or something, but idk.
I imagine though Wouldn't they want "maximum profit"? Dvd blu ray is cool, but it wouldn't be as big.
Netflicks is a good move, its just getting in contact with them which i havent been.
I was aiming for companies like d.c since warner bros has buku cash, not disney because they will ruin everything db even though they could do anime style if they wanted to.
All investors want to know is if the show is profitable, merchandise, and will they break even or double (more is always better). They dont care much about the quality anymore as far as i can see (at least toei doesn't imo) and jump from one franchise to the next. Look at what happened to toriko...... The new saint seiya, sailor moon crystal, and other shows.
Shit super lol. I appreciate your feedback. Always a blessing bro but im legit not making this shit up.
The backstory i only kind of cared about. It was never proof that was in question because i had seen it from my friend when i was in hs. Then years later i met my contact and we were getting material left and right until he retired and saw some cool stuff.
Yeah they do i forgot about that. Shit i dont work for they ass i just had the hookup.
Makes sense though. He did say that im going off of memory though and its like 5 a.m.
Af was in a book "hobby consolas" by an artist in spain with the image "tablos" a dragon god mistaken as a ssj5 goku with af on the bottom right.
Nobody knew the origins and circulated on the net, then fans started making stories and calling if "dragonball alpha, after future, alternate future. It wasnt until kanzenshuu did the "april fools" joke it became april fools.
And there were tons of other fanfic back then.
So this is why the internet has grown very skeptical with anything db related. Especially if you say beyond ssj4 or after gt. Its inconceivable how a company can keep such a thing under wraps. Not really under wraps. It (ultimate) just didnt work out. Simple as that.
And if you look real hard, the evil goku special i told you about with ssj5 (red hair red fur and ssj4 gohan and adult ssj3 gotenks and ssj4 vegita) was conceived before that image popped up on the net.. And are unrelated.
They do sell subs. But most people want the latest episodes like the shitty internet fansubbers because they get to them faster. I know youre saying they could sub the tapes if they had them which wasnt an issue cuz thats how i even understood the evil gokus. I just mean anime in general.
I heard they wanted to do a simulcast, but they feel like VA will loose money because most fans rather watch the latest episodes.
Niconicodouga is not that great, and at one point they wanted to merge the funi site with them to keep up.
The problem with the evil gokus is it didnt get a positive reaction, so they are having a hard time finding an audience for those. For some reason its not very popular turning a main protagonist evil, but also all the characters were out of character. Gohan wasn't acting hesitant to fight his own dad so it was wierd. Vegita took gohans place in that department until the final episode. The crystal dragonballs was a retarded concept because they could of avoided the entire evil shenlong saga if they had those (supposed to draw all the negative energy out from the dragonballs, which is why he turned evil plus triggered his natural instinct to eradicate all life). The action was great, the story was............still gt.
As for ultimate, everything was good.
Ties up loose ends from previous 3 series.
Has older Gotenks been seen in Super yet?
Toyble only jumped to that after the fact in 2001 when he made his blog on livedoor jp in 2001 and just compiled preexisting af storylines and made his own version off of it. Then youngjiji a little later did his own af. Toyble got hired by toriyama and works for bird now and does heroes manga and super manga.
I know already man i just tend to ignore fanfic...........
Now people are saying super copies db multiverse fanfic.
I don't follow it.
People consider gt an "expensive fanfic" but its an alternate reality.
Ultimate is actually "good" but is the sequel after gt in between the 100 years.
Much like super which takes place in those 10 years of z before uub shows up.
I feel like that's why they made xenoverse so everything can fit. And also so toriyama could push off more ideas from db online that never blew up.
Lol i heard the kids "won't" grow up fast in super to keep the younger audience to tune in......
Why is everyone in the series a fucking string bean now?
I'm actually hoping that GT is one of those universes.
everyone hates super
i went into it with low standards so im enjoying it
you are going to be told that is not how alternate realities work, but we are getting BlackGoku, so nothing makes sense until Toriyama shits it
Goten and Trunks are still kids, what do you think?
This shits still going? I havent watched since Pam became a granny, what happened
Again "the ultimate" aspie with his inane shit
When the fuck did Goten get so short?
can't tell without seeing his power reading.
no shit. We all know that is actually Mr. Popo under mask.
There isn't any mention of a "Black Goku" in your pic. Where did you see it mentioned?
Didn't toyable maker Xicor? Theres a chance that black goku might look like him seeing.
It's "Goku Black", and it's mentioned in Toriyama's message when you open the official site, scrolling down from that image.
'Goku Black' is so lame.
It can be his family name, it can be Goku with a tan, which means Turles.
Why not Metal Goku why they're at it?
No, he didn't. Xicor's design and general backstory already existed from the random AF rumors.
The main thing Toyble adding was making his mother a Kaioshin.
WE AF NOW
Why did DBZ have Inuyasha OP?
I am hoping Goku Black is a God Of Destruction.
best character after
Future Gohan returns
I'm fucking ready for Toriyama's Wild Ride.
So Goku becomes a nigger?
He always was a nigger:
-he never went to school
-he is a lousy father (Piccolo is more of a father figure to Gohan)
-he is a terrible husband (he abandoned his pregnant wife right after the Cell Games)
-he is a dumbass (he tried to spare Raditz and Freeza, he sent Gohan to fight Cell, he didn't kill Fat Buu when he had the chance, etc)
S/O to that guy from awhile ago with the most autist posts ever. I was so gripped from start to finish. I almost believed you. This is almost up there with that dude from /sp/. Almost. Good job sir.
Fucking kill yourself, stupid sperg.
Because Metal Goku sounds even more like a bad fanfiction written by a 14 years old.
ONE FUCKING JOB
DBZ Kai Ep 82
I thought the Super manga was the continuation of the DB manga while the Super show is a continuation of the DBZ show
bulma's tits doe...
every single episode #worthit
God DBS draws out the most retarded faggots
What the fuck? No?
As if they're actually doing anything to keep them interesting
I'd be content with everything, minus Goku Black/Black Goku
It just sounds stupid. I can deal with time-travel, I can deal with alternate universes, I can deal with some kind of threat to all 12 and all realities if it's some kind of Demigra fucking shit up shit
But fucking hell, Goku Black?!
It's kind of true though. Obviously, Toriyama is writing his outline as a continuation of the manga, but the anime staff often includes anime-only elements, like Satan's assistants, or referencing the antics with Ginyu/Frog on Earth.
The manga didn't include Gregory, for example. The only misstep it has made so far is 5 fingers Piccolo and Vegeta's shadow in his childhood flashback seemed to be Bardock Special Vegeta, rather than Toriyama's child Vegeta from DB Minus and the Battle of Gods movie.
THIS IS THE DRAGONBALL ART I MISS
Damn it why are there so many plebs approving of Super. Mad because DBZ ended before their time so they demanded more and now we have DBZ for kids.
Even DB didn't pander to kids this hard.
No one really mentioned so when Beerus revied the Earth that had been destroyed. It was destroyed by U6 Goku who was sent there to destroy it and not hit on the head. So he grew up Evil.
in honor of me getting trips
Well, of course they did, Look at Bulma's kid.
Who was the girl in the Monaka suits in the latest episode?
She's the chick from the Cell games, Mr. Satan's assistant
Brown hair Vegeta
This was never ok
needs more ssj4
It was because of Cell, that is it.
Damn, no idea. He is younger than trunks, but he shouldn't be a foot shorter like that considering Veg is shorter than Goku.
But just how black is he going to be?
Nothing below Detroit levels.
Is there a even character that’s close to being as perfect as Cell? Let alone be him. And I'm not talking about Perfect Cell. I'm not talking about Super Perfect either. Hell, I'm not even talking about SSGSS Golden Cell. I’m also not talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus & Whis' DNA. I'm definitely NOT Talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with 9001 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champa & Vados' DNA after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor. I'm talking about SSGSS Golden Cell who fused with an infinite number of SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs & obtained Beerus, Whis, Champam, Vados, Madara Uchiha & Ultimate Kars' DNA to obtain Requiem versions of every Stand (including but not limited to Gold Experience Requiem, Made in Heaven Requiem, The World Over Heaven Requiem & D4C Requiem) after absorbing enough Spiral Power & Getter Rays to use SSGSS Golden Tengen Toppa Getter Emperor as he pilots Elder Demonbane with Cosmic Armor, Power Cosmic, and Omega effect while he does 101 Push-ups, 101 Sit-ups, 101 Squats, 11 km run per day for over 4 months inside the sun after ingesting Kryptonian DNA (to somehow obtain infinite power from a finite source) after consuming Popeye's Spinach while riding the writer's cock to battle.
Not Crimson Cell
It's probably going to be this.
not SSGSS Golden Cell
Why do idiots keep watching this shit?
Nigga Goku (Kappa Kappa)
Vegeta vs Black Goku fight when?
mfw its like Goku vs Majin Vegeta all over again
It's unlikely, but it's possible to Vegeta lose.
goku was that short until he was a late teen lmao
He's shrank since the Buu Saga though.
I could just blame it on the shitty new art, but that's not good enough.
yeah bro, im not saying you're wrong. they are definitely drawing him shorter.
or trunks grew a bit? idk why they changed it
10/10, user, keep doing God's work.
He looks like a faggot, now.
Maido Android in the center
For some reason.
Why didn't Dr. Gero made Maid robot? He is a lonely old man that create life.
grown up pan yet?
Which guy from /sp/? The Archiver?
inb4 it's a Goku with black clothes instead of black skin
Toriyama can't really into sexy unless it's played up as his brand of comedy.
So I don't see him doing sexy maid robots
Since when was Trunks able to leave his mistress's side for breaking the rules? Unless this is some prequel where Jaco turns him in and he ends up being her little bitch for it.
On that related note, anyone have an updated version of the hierarchy of the gods now that we have the King of All added to the mix?
God damn I want to fuck Pan and The Kai of Time
That bitch ain't canon, you're lucky if they even mention her in the upcoming arc.
Who the fuck is this Black Goku?
DBZ will never look this good again
Back when shit was serious. The struggle was real.
Everything feels fake now. Even if some powerful villain does show up, I can't take them seriously with this art. It's like it's trying to be One Piece and comedy at the same time.
Kei17 was the man, totally forgot about him. He had all the good shit.
Wonder what happened to him. Didn't know their was a falling out or something but can't expect much from kanzenshuu.
introducing herself via twerking
this is so perfect. Gohan even manages to look coool in that jump suit.
ugh the style of old DBZ was perfect. so minimal but so effective and stylish
Is Future Trunks from Universe 6 but Buu Destroyed them or something?
mfw trunks will feel sad that he still hasn't found a wife yet while gohan is married with a kid
No, that would actually make some sense to connect the story arcs like that.
Besides, Saiyans in that universe have an entirely different past.
hfw seeing how weak Gohan is now compared to the man who trained him/the boy who defeated Cell
he doesn't know gohan has been training.
ywn experience dbz for the first time again
I honestly wouldnt mind have Time Breaker Bardock in the plot. But powerlevel wise, Trunks should be able to take him down
trunks when he sees new and improved ultimate gohan
Holy fuck, so that's why their designs looked familiar.
I don't think he'll be that good that quickly. Then again, this is Gohan we are talking about. The guy who has more potential than Goku for fighting.
It's a shame that he didn't see Gohan at his peak, even if Ultimate Gohan was wrecked seconds later.
I also want to see him interact with
Bulma and Vegeta
Young Trunks and Goten
Android 18, Krillin and Marin
Gohan, Pan, and Videl
Seriously, he has some serious catching up and surprises waiting for him in this timeline.
trunks has to see the super saiyanman persona
This is Toriyama we are talking about
I wouldn't be surprised if he became Super Saiyanman #3
Fuccboi Gohan looks halfway decent
seeing how weak Gohan is now
Future Gohan could be badass, but regular Gohan is way stronger.