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well, i feel that the unconstrained vision represents liberals pretty well. the idea of being pro freedom in terms of social values, but highly authoritarian in terms of economics. that is the "we must all be taken care of-mentaity". that some unequal actor (the state) should ensure that everyone plays nice. its basically communism/fascism/socialism, whereas the constrained vision veers more towards something akin to the open market

its ALMOST synonymous with "liberal" and "conservative", i feel

pretty good thread OP. You do a good job of conveying information without sounding like a jackass.

Just bought sowell's book.

the fuck? no. no. it's r and K selection. look up Moly's vids on it

good post. it's likely people will always be like this, so what's the / a solution? imo we need physical separation. but do you think liberal utopiafags are going to leave of their own accord, after growing accustomed to everything the free market has created for their ungrateful asses in the West?

I would disagree, it depends on which system you think best facilitate the advancement of the species. I am of the belief that a more brutal "open market" style system would actually be better for humanity in the long run.

You pose an interesting question however, because I am on the right side of the spectrum and also would fit well into the "unconstrained" camp.

i heard thats bullshit, but i dont even know what it is. elaborate on it dude

hey thanks

yeah this is basically just a super short version of that book. but its really fucking good, and i really want to read some of his other shit now. i just dont know what to pick

dude im 100% open market.

i tried to be as non-partisan as possible in my OP, but honestly, i think the unconstrained vision is WRONG, and that liberals are full of shit

but yeah me personally, im pro liberal social values, but also pro liberal economic values (i.e. free market), but as i grow older, i start to gain an understanding for why people hold conservative social values. i do not share them, but i feel that as my perspective on society gets more nuanced, i see the values that social norms (anti weed, anti sexual liberty etc) hold for many people. that they are perceived to be linked to the stability & consequently the (unarguably better) way of life we have in the west. so neither me nor most people fit snuggly into the two extremes. i doubt anyone really does. the two extremes would be total anarcho-capitalism and Stalin, or something even more extreme. but i think most people exist somewhere on a spectrum between those two extremes. even marx argued that capitalism is legit as a stepping stone towards communism.

Cheers mate, I think the truth lies in the middle of those two extremes. Humanity is limited by certain things, but I would say its foolish to think that our potential is limited.

yea of course we have potential, im not trying to discredit that. but i do feel it kinda ties together with how younger people tend to be liberals, and grow more conservative with age. younger people also tend to hold more "optimistic" perceptions on humanity as a whole. all of these young high school notions of creating a perfect world, and elevating yourself above existence somehow. its kinda vaguely defined, cuz i was so fucking baked in high school, but what i now feel that all of those ideas were stupid, and that people who dont grow out of that phase (adult liberals, to put it simply) are naive (whereas adult liberals perceive me as morally inferior for not wanting equality of outcome)