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Is being a homosexual a choice or is it genetic? If it isn't a choice, why are there gay Christians? Why can't a priest deny marriage to a gay couple?

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>26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
>27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, amen with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
>28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
(Rom. 1:26-28 NAU)

Gay Christians are not Christian, they go to Hell
A Priest can deny marriage to a gay couple because marriage is between a man and a woman

What if a gay Christian repented for their sins, but because they believe it is a choice, they keep sinning? Are there any scientific sources that disprove this degeneracy?

it is NOT a choice*

Product of being molested as a child and continuing the cycle as an adult

Continuing to live in sin is not repentance, even if you've been manipulated to believe your lifestyle isn't sinful

Statistics on gays and marriage:

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Science on gays as parents:

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The benefits of gay marriage:

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Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

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Does conversion therapy work:

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HIV information:

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Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?

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Is being gay a mental illness?

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Gay here. I can easily admit that it is neither; it is neither genetic nor a choice. It is the result of normally shitty upbringing and awful male role models. My father was always standoffish and never really got close to any of his kids, and my older brother was a violent drug abuser who nearly killed my mother and stepfather on multiple occasions. My stepfather was also a drunk who frequently ruined holidays.

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I have an aunt who got married to a man, had children and was straight as one can fucking get - also my aunt asked husband to marry, no it wasn't for money. When she turned 40 she got divorced and married a woman two years later and is now gay - she says she isn't bisexual.

So tell me OP, how can one be born straight as can be and then become gay?

Probably there is some genetics involved, and also biographical events (such as getting your ass rekt as a little boy or because of personality disorder).
I mean
It would be weird if it was only genetic
All though I can imagine some one deciding to have man on man sex for fun or curiosity.

Being gay is an incontinence of the sexual desire. No wonder they are promiscuous and are plagued with STDs.

I think its both. There are some people out there who have fucked up genetics and are probably not attracted to the opposite sex. This is just nature culling the weak and deformed.

Then there are people who will do anything for social status, where since they see gay shit all over social media they think that this is what they have to do in order to feel like they matter.

Is being mentally ill a choice?

Homosexuality isn't something you're born with, it's a fetishistic disorder which develops from childhood and teenage experiences.

Otherwise you choose to commit homosexual actions.

I could be gay if I wanted to. But I choose not to

could this not mean that you are bisexual, and only choose the female companion over the male?

>homosexuality
>genetic

wrong question.
the simple fact is Gay culture, tendencies, and societal impact are detrimental to a nation, and are best fought against.

or well, for sure what we have now.

Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

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>Gay Christians are not Christian, they go to Hell
I mean, being gay is "just a sin" much like how all christians sin.

Just gotta ask for forgiveness, right?

Sexuality is a multidimensional spectrum. There's certainly genes that increase propensity to homosexuality but the main causes are environmental.

There's certainly some element of choice, but the nearer to the ends of the spectrum they are, the less people feel choices are available to them.

Heterosexuality is not a prerequisite of Christianity, though it can be a result. But God does not appear to be prolific in changing people's sexuality Himself, and changing sexuality is not something humans are at all good at; even trying to do so has been discredited in most people's minds because of past attempts which disastrously used aversion therapy.

AIUI most priests will not perform gay weddings, but getting married does not require a priest.

alot of things that happen because of genetics are bad, like, really damn bad.

as stated, thats not the question that should be asked or even matter, nor is it something I care about.

Religion is a choice

Complicated but good question
No, to even become a homo you have to already have been given over to a reprobate mind. You are right that sodomy is equal to all other sin in one way: all sin makes us deserving of death (not going to heaven) according to Romans 3:26

In the premise the man continued to live a life of sodomy. In this way we can see that he has not been filled with the spirit resulting in good works, as he hasn't repented if it were even possible.

I do think there are people who get sucked in to the homosexual lifestyle due to culture who aren't reprobate

It's neither a choice nor genetic. It is, from what I have observed, caused by environment in upbringing.

FUCK OFF FAGGOTS!

Homosexuals are the result of getting molested, they should just kill themselves

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Most of those "evidences" are disproven here. Public media loses yet again

If it's genetic, or at least prenatal, then why is there no widely available scientific research into what should be readily provable causation? Or at least correlation with physically observable traits?
Why does the (inarguably left of center, right?) government science establishments of America and the West not spend the piddling amount of money into doing hard, unforgiving science into this topic of the greatest public interest?
You know the answer, my rainbow knighting friend.

But hang on, so if you continue to do sins, that means you didn't repent?

But, we as humans always sin, so none repent?

Almost like there has been research conducted since 17 years ago...

What evidence, in your mind, would prove causation?

Right, but you can't knowingly keep committing a sin when you have the option not to do it. When presented with a CHOICE between the right and wrong, knowingly doing the wrong is the problem.

its a mental illness
mental illness is not a choice
how hard is this user?

Is being gay a mental illness?

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>why are there gay Christians?
There aren't you stupid faggot. Sodomites can't get saved.

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Another great theological question. There is a whole tradition called the "holiness movement" who believe all Christians never sin again, Jesse Lee Peterson is a follower.

I would have to say that there's a difference between committing natural sins and really asking for forgiveness and living a wicked lifestyle while self-righteous

I also do not believe repentance is a requirement for salvation, but a result of salvation

Two facts you must take into account:

1. The heritability of homossexual behavior is around 0.2-0.35. This is actually pretty low compared to other traits.

2. Homosexual attraction, behavior and identity is incredibly unstable. The majority of people claiming to be homosexuals when they are ~16 does not claim to be one by ~21. They become more stable with age but never as stable as heterosexuality.

This leads me to believe that homosexuality is nothing more than a sexual fetish, and that promoting it as acceptable, normal or hip to kids or teens is harmful.

I don't care about the cause. All I know is that they need to be deloused, the quicker the better. They are a plague upon humianity.

sodomites can't believe though

Paul says in Romans 14 "I am doing the very thing I hate"
Knowingly committing the sin isn't a sign of being unsaved

Most fags were molested as children. Then they grow up to be child molesters themselves

For some it's a choice (bisexuals who are off women for good/vice versa)
For others it's a base trait in their 'character'
It can be researched and bibled all you want but enough outliers will crop up to challenge it again.

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Anything? I mean, literally anything at all? Give me your premise and then the data. Whadya got?
Until trannies took over as the new way to destroy Western civ a few years ago, all anyone wrote about in English for a solid decade was gay people. Yet there is no widely accepted science on the hard nuts-and bolts causes, and that's not just because LA majors think an electron shell is an ability in Overwatch.
The hardest science I've seen was a study a few weeks ago showing that second and third brothers were more likely to be gay. That's...not looking so hot for the nature vs. nurture side.

>responding to mutts whont read the thread
Only 44 posts in, dont feed the retarded

I did not and wouldn’t choose to be gay, yet I’m a fag. I feel like the Bible makes it pretty clear where Christianity stands on homosexuality. They didn’t want me in thier club and I don’t want to be in it.

>my personal anecdote is true for everyone!
Shut up retard

homosexuality is completely normal

It’s called repression

>gay christians dont exist!!!
>provides useless bible quotes
>autistic screeching rings in the distance

Lotta fags in this thread

>provides useless bible quotes
When it comes to the question of gay Christians, how the Hell are bible quotes useless?

Lotta mutts in this thread
Interesting how most christians are also mutts

Um it's a choice and there aren't gay Christians and priests can't deny marriage to gays thanks to the Same sex marriage laws. If it weren't for the laws we would be executing gays by now.

Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

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>history: mutt edition

You are actually retarded, so I guess the flag checks out
If you don't follow the bible how can you be a Christian you fucking autist

>let this bunch of very biased sources tell you its not because muh feefees
>also take note that half of our "data" is self contradictory, but its still ok to shove it down your throat no pun intended(or is it?)
Homosexuality is a mental illness and only reason we still have no cure is because actual gene studies are pretty much considered immoral as much as racial studies this days.

>when you live in an upside down world so you think "lip service" means 69 or some shit

Certainly there are genetic predispositions. Certainly some of it is learned, or the kids are steered in that direction by sexual trauma or a lack of a strong male figure in their lives.

But some of it, I suspect (and this is just my opinion) has to do with the use of hormones in our environment and food, and chemicals that alter brain chemistry being present in our environment.

After all, they're turning the frogs gay. Why not us?

Dont you feel that having to convince people of your truths.... Dont you feel that just means they are your little illusions ?

Be gay all you want
But gay pride is aids pride

And if you are gonna have your gay aids pride

I want my white pride
And white ethnostate

All surveys are you biased. The reason the survey exists is to provide a backing to that bias
Survey: Sup Forums: satire or autism?

>When you can't make an argument because you're a cock gobbling cum rag who thinks that being a fag isn't a choice
nice try, want a gold star?
Based Ruski

>when you ignore the argument in favor of adhom
>based ruski
You retarded cunt

Homosexuality is a choice, you choose to have homo sex. Being attracted to something is different than engaging in sexual acts.

>News: banana is an apple
>You: i believe the news because even though I know source is biased towards apples i shouldn't question it
cuckgratulations muh man

>God gave them over to degrading passions
This is literally just saying it's socially corrosive, and it's also a punishment for straying from God's light. Basically you'll turn gay if you sin hard enough, and it will pervert you irreparably.

Homosexuality is NOT something someone is born with. That's just not true since we know that when you're born, you know absolutely nothing. It begins to develop as a young child, and works like a fetish. If the child is exposed to homosexual behavior/media/TV/etc. then there will be a higher chance of him/her becoming gay later on. It's like a fetish.

>banana is apple
>"i support this because any other opinion lands me in putin's gulag"

Of course it's not a choice. You think most people would willingly subject themselves to a way of life that is proven to attract hatred? Certainly there some who could take and deal with that, but you look at them as a whole and it makes no sense if they could just choose to live the easier, normal life instead.

>Allah's light*
Ftfy

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Sage

You've already proven that you're retarded aids monkey and that there is no point in arguing with you cause you'll just reject anything anyone says
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Thanks but no thanks.

So heterosexuality isnt a choice because you're forced to go through the trials of finding a woman who isnt satans bride to be your wife and wont fuck you over?
>be gay
>hated by autists on pol
>be straight
>hated by the opposite sex

> Is being a homosexual a choice

I thought every single part of life is a choice, isn't that the doctrine of free will?

You are responsible for what you do, the when and where of it, the how and the why. You can affect every single part of how you are.

Everything is a choice.

Depends, can you be born to be mollested? Gays are mollested as children more often than straights. Leads me to believe it's a choice.
There are no gay Christians, only liars. The Bible specifically says homosexuals are incapable of believing in Christ. So to be a gay Christian, is to deny the Bible.
As for the gay wedding issue...the Bible says kill them, they're abominations. It doesn't say anything about them getting married because Christians are supposed to kill them but only if it's legal.

Oh sorry sweetie but that simply isnt true. You see honey if everything was a choice that would mean you're responsible for your actions. And the problem with and snookums is that neither political ideology wants that.

>muh bible argument
Always brings a smile to my face.
All your arguments have one source, a book written by people who blamed disease and eclipses and shit on evil supernatural forces.

My first argument was secular in response to a secular question. The second two were regarding Christianity, of course I referenced the Bible you sperg.

die

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We are all fallen and prone to sin. So, genetic and a choice. We are to flee from sin.

Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again as it is written. We must trust in Him and call on Him to save us.

THAT is the preist's job. They are seriously out of line in many ways these days.

Societal acceptance of faggotry is not a sin, it is a judgment from God. Read Romans chapter 1.
America turned its back on God, and He did the same to us.

That's not nice sweetypie. Didnt your mommy teach you to be kind to others? Honeybutt, jesus taught these things didnt he?

You're the one that brought up gay Christians you fucking spastic. You can't be gay and a Christian, to do so is to go against the religion.
And funny you should say that, considering the only sources you rely on are studies done by pro-fag groups that get millions in funding a year to make pro-fag propaganda.
P.S. go take your meds

Does it matter?
Bullets work either way

>for this reason
it's genetic. and that "for that reason" was REPTILE WORSHIP. has FUCK ALL TO DO WITH GAYS YOU STUPID FROGGER SON OF A WHORE

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. No, being a homosexual is definitely NOT genetic, because if it was, women could impregnate each other and men could impregnate men. We are heterosexual by nature, because we need to reproduce in order to secure our species' survival. We are still mammals after all.

When they say homosexuality is a "choice", they're partially right. You are not born a gay, you become a gay by choice of lifestyle. The gay epidemic in modern times can easily be explained away by the slippery slope that is (((porn))), but what about before porn was even a thing? It's hard to say really, but humans have always been sexually deviant since Ancient Rome and Greece. Our lust for our own sexual satisfaction can make it increasingly harder for us to satisfy ourselves by conventional means, the more promiscuous you are. If you have no self-control, and therefore are a sex addict, you are bound to develop more and more sexual perversions, which in the end can lead to becoming a homosexual, a rapist or a tranny and so on.

Basically, everything we do is a slippery slope. Humans keep seeking out more and more of something, like gateway drugs and alcohol, climbing the corporate ladder, capitalism, consumerism of TV, movies, video games, music, books, anime, manga etc. because we quickly get bored of the same thing over and over again, and keep looking for that thrill we got the first time. It's all a matter of our ability to show restraint, and be satisfied with what we do have, which is something close to zero of us are truly capable of in all ways of life.

You cant compare smoking to homosexuality. Smoking causes irreversible damage to the lungs
>inb4 aids
Aids can be prevented. There is only a filter in cigarettes that dampens the damage of first hand smoke and smokers in a group end up breathing second hand anyway.
HIV and its effects can be treated. Lung cancer and damage usually results in a transplant which is arguable worse than HIV because transplant anti rejection medicine suppresses your immune system.
Educate yourself mutt

resurrect adam and eve you bestial fuck. stupid woman enabling and worshipping rabbinical fuck nose and pedo. possessed skank
lies. you fucking sodomite. just die in a ditch. you pharisee mongoloid. drunken flightless bird fearing little woman turd cancerous aids ridden feminist shit headed kike

Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:

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trannies are not women. just how white jews are not white!

>bible old testamrnt starts as old testament and jewish shit
>adapted into new non jewish testament
>(you)REEEEEE YOU CANT CHANGE THE RULES OF RELIGION
and im the one who was called a stupid child
Mhm
Enjoy your calvinball religion

It is based somewhat in genes at least, though.

Some animals are gay, so your whole argument on the basis of impregnation doesn't make any sense.

> difference between FAGALPHABET and smokers
> money do not convert into smoker votes

Homosexuality isn’t a choice NOR is it genetic, but it IS multigenerational in the sense that it is molested into existence.

Neither. It's a mental illness that forms during a child's development.

noice. thanks for inventing all deaths and all sins in the garden though. there is no evidence "homosexuality" ("hetero" is fake too) is outlined as a sin in the bible. the complete opposite in fact