Manga Hit only beat vegeta who was at less than 10% and had no time skip improvement
Manga Goku black had no clones or anger boost
Manga M Zamasu is only ssb level
Manga Toppo only beat goku cause goku let his guard down
Defend this
Dragon Ball Super
Levi Flores
Connor Stewart
Soon
Brody King
The manga is shit.
Brody Clark
>defend that Hit is only SSG level, aka fucking strong because SSG isn't a jobber in the manga
>defend that Hit and Black aren't mary sues wit unlimited asspull powers
>defend that M-Zamasu as strong as Toriyama wanted, not strong enough to beat two SSB fighting together
>defend that I'm a speedreader
>defend that the manga has no retarded power creep
No thanks
Josiah Smith
>caring about Super
GT is miles better, just finished rewatching it (beggining this weeked) and it was time well spent.
Thomas Williams
@170438062
lmao
Carter Wilson
there's no need to defend any of those since they are already perfect
Jason Barnes
>A potara fusion with a SSB level fighter as a compotent can't beat a "complete" SSB level fighter
This is just sad.
Juan Fisher
Why Uub wasn't invited to the Tournament? He should be way stronger than Krillin.
Nathan Hill
Is 17 base SSB tier? (not talking about Kaoiken/Kawai form)
Sebastian Murphy
He's like 5 years old
Asher Martin
He's in between SSG and SSB. get over it
Ryder Hughes
> hit was a chump compared to fp goku and vegeta
> M zamasu is a potara fusion, should be > ssb
> Toppo didn't beat goku cleanly but because goku messed up
Defend
Michael Rodriguez
>it's mentioned in the japanese version that every x years a SS is born
Wyatt Campbell
>10 ips
>21 total votes
sounds legit some cuckdroid is already abusing the fuck out of the poll which means nothing.
Jaxon White
He is probably around SSJBKK x10 level. He performed just as well as Goku and Vegetta did against Jiren, maybe even better if you consider he held back Jiren's most powerful attack at the time.
Anthony Robinson
Carson Davis
I bet on both side.
No one really care about it beside some retards
Matthew Mitchell
>17fags are this retarded
Gabriel Brooks
>a copy of Goku and a weak ass fly are on the same level as the real Goku at his peak of power because they fused
Makes sense
>SSG tier in the manga
>chump
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Zamasu should be as I say, Toriyama is wrong
Sure thing
>Toppo didn't beat Goku cleanly
Goku disagrees. And no he wasn't holding back, Herms already translated it correctly (unlike ViZ) and Goku said it's possible he lost because he wasn't at full power since the start... and neither was Toppo, they were playing almost the entire fight because Zeno wanted to see all Goku's forms. What is settled is that full power Toppo can one shot Goku (basically what happened) and that full power Goku can one shot Toppo (Toppo said so) so they are equal, the fight is deciced by who's the one landing a good punch on the enemy before.
Bentley Russell
Goku stated that 17 was heavily injured though.
Frieza and him were more fine in comparison, 17 did many kamikaze attacks.
Also, going by your logic, base goku=ssb
Lincoln Smith
This poll was posted in 3 thread
Michael James
Reminder that Gero’s research and incentive to build 17 stemmed from his service in the Red Ribbon Army.
Bow to your real savior. Remember to praise your local manlet as a sign of appreciation.
Aaron Wright
Frieza got wrecked in one punch by rested Jiren while 17 clashed fists with him, took multiple hits from him and kept going.
>no argument
Concession accepted.
Kevin Lee
>fine in comparison
wrong, they took a lot more beating than 17, androids dont lose stamina, they also never lose power.
Andrew Collins
Also, 17 literally saved vegeta and goku from a powerful blast of jiren.
17 also tanked attacks that were meant to vegeta SSB Kawai
Ayden Ward
Androids can get injured you retard, watch 17 vs imperfect cell.
Also, you use headcanon while I use direct statement of goku himself
Joseph Wood
Look at this winner right here never thought he was gonna be the winner didn’t you
Austin Green
Are you actually saying that 17
Dominic Johnson
never goku stated that 17 was in worse shape.
William Diaz
>Bejita sama, you're numbah one.
>Please take my wife.
John Thomas
yeah cause potara fusion is OP.
SSG tier is chump shit compared to SSB Goku and Vegeta. I never said hit was weak, he's not a match for goku or vegeta
Toriyama is wrong a lot
Toppo being equal to goku is toyotaro fanboying and now allowing goku to be inferior to anyone but jiren in this arc
Joshua Parker
>toppo being equal to goku is toyotaro fanboying and now allowing goku to be inferior to anyone but jiren in this arc
Toppo beat Goku in the manga retard
Michael Powell
This assumption is obviously wrong
>17fags making up delusions
He only jumped in Jiren working with Goku and Vegeta. He can't fight any real fighters on his own.
Brody Roberts
>Look who's talking
Right after this statement
>17 stay behind
Are you into logic?
Lincoln Cook
because Goku and Frieza were enough for Jiren at that point.
Ethan Watson
but it still had a qualifier rather than just toppo straight up beating goku which would have made sense considering toppo is next GoD and goku was out of shape
Luis Miller
>out of nowhere a mysterious new competitor shows up
James Rivera
so whats the point of your original post?
>toyotaro fanboying
???
Logan Gray
>Being this retarded
Are you saying that 17 is weaker than base goku?
Juan Wilson
That all makes sense, though, Hit, Black, Zamasu, and Toppo being as strong as they are in the anime is extremely pushing it
Nathaniel Brooks
he can't stop himself from making an excuse for goku and vegeta
oh vegeta was at less than 10%
oh can't use full power of blue vs zamasu
oh let his guard down
Just have them straight up lose
Ian Harris
If they were enough, why did he asked him to assist them?
You destroy yourself everytime, you're actually saying here that 17 is weaker than base goku.
Stay delusional
Aaron Bell
Not him but he is weaker than Goku and Frieza. You 17 wankers are honestly the most insufferable group in DB.
Michael Diaz
>Not him
Yeah right
>17 is weaker than base goku
Spotted the retarded samefag
Brayden Brown
toei is retardedly inconsistent with how strong fighters are supposed to be. Base goku and FF freeza can beat powered up jiren? please spare me
Wyatt Morris
Blue > Hit
Hit has never been about raw power, Hit is all about time skip. Even being weaker in power he can make up for it with his time skip.
>cant use full power of blue vs zamasu
he did use it? Also the plan was to keep zamasu busy enough so the fusion would run out.
>oh he let his guard down
so? its way better than just
>I AM STRONGER DURRRR
are you even trying toeishil?
David Ward
>yeah cause potara fusion is OP.
That's why a copy of Goku reachs Goku level by fusing with a weak ass fag
>b-but it should be even stronger!
According to you? Too bad Toriyama disagrees
>SSG tier is chump shit compared to SSB
Maybe in the anime, not in the manga.
>Toriyama is wrong!
Okay sweetie
>shitting about Toppo not being a jobber, but a freaking strong guy like Goku is in the manga
Jesus
Brody Jackson
When did I state that 17 is weaker than base goku? their goal was to ring out Jiren at the cost of Goku and Frieza, they needed someone to stay behind.
Cooper Hall
Not him, but infinite stamina goes a long way. SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu, but Goku fucked around in that fight for long enough to reverse that. 17 with infinite stamina, even with his injuries, would've surpassed Goku by the end of the tournament, by sheer virtue of the fact that Goku was wearing himself down a lot.
Alexander Adams
Hit time skip improved in anime, no such thing in manga
My point is vegeta losing to black was more about him not being able to use true power of blue first time around than anything black did
Toppo is next GoD and goku didn't train so yes being stronger makes sense
Kayden Wright
ssj3 goku and kid buu were basically the same level of power, not much difference at all
Michael Young
First, we'll start with a little piecemeal torture. Knives and screws under the fingernails? Then we can move onto rape and hot irons into the orifices. Papercuts across the dick hole and shave it down until we reach the veins followed by a needle into the urethrea. We can then draw some veins and bloody piss and stick it into your eye.
Finally a parting cupcake.
Gavin Powell
>being this retarded OK
>literal headcanon
Their plan was to beat jiren, the ring out part was literally improvised by frieza because goku was surprised by his demands, goku just joined him at the end.
Stop with your headcanon
Jordan Perez
>>"oh let his guard down"
>two equals fight
>stated to be equals
>acknowledge oneanother as equals
>one slips up
>the other wins
Wow
Woooooooow
Jaxson Johnson
>goku didn't train
that doesn't mean Goku lost all his power, he even stated he didn't go full power but lost, he got ringed out. But in the anime he got to humiliate Toppo like Toppo was a fucking doll. Vegeta in the manga resorted to SSG and Blue switch to beat black, which worked. Instead of simply HURR DURR I GOT STRONGER POWER LEVEL.
Andrew Adams
Goku states that he could've easily annihilated Kid Buu had he not been fucking around so that Vegeta could get a turn
Brayden Morgan
do you not understand what i'm saying? there was no reason to throw the "let my guard down" in there. Toppo being stronger than Goku wasn't anything farfetched. Goku basically didn't train post black arc and toppo was next god of u11
Justin Richardson
Evan Nelson
>SS3 goku from buu arc who was annihilated by beerus can apparently tank jiren punch
Wew
Brandon Gutierrez
see
Goku didn't train, he was also rusty in the anime. Yet that happened. Explain.
Caleb Morgan
Reminder
Jeremiah Green
And?
Where did I stated that toppo was weaker than 17?
Also, you literally showed here that toppo need to be serious against 17 to get rid of him in one attack
Benjamin Baker
What?
Robert Walker
>Frieza got wrecked in one punch by rested Jiren while 17 clashed fists with him, took multiple hits from him and kept going.
Frieza got fucked up by Toppo's Hakai attack beforehand, you retard.
Asher Young
show me where 17 took a punch from jiren and made it look it was nothing.
Thomas Evans
>still believing in 6-10-15 scale
Sebastian Jenkins
because infinite energy, not power. Look how puny 17 power is next to Toppo. Hes not SSB tier.
Brayden Roberts
>still incapable to disprove Toriyama's scale with Toriyama's content
Landon Diaz
>God tier mean that you've to beat jiren
Stop with your stupid post.
17 literally tanked attacks that were meant to kawai vegeta
Carter Gomez
if ssg = 6
then ssgss if its even twice as strong would be 12
so ssgss goku > beerus in RoF?
Mason Cruz
So that has been decided.
The chads of Sup Forums recognized 17 as SSB tier.
Which mean that Gohan can be SSB tier too
Justin Gutierrez
>tanked
show me. Because I dont think you know what TANKING punches means.
Gohan and 17 are not SSB tier.
Leo Hill
Kale is for handholding.
Also Gohan is weaker than her too.
Brayden Powell
>if its even twice as strong
Who said SSB is twice as strong? In fact in the manga there's no big difference between God and Blue, Beerus even calls Blue "a mere power-up from SSG, not enough to reach his level"
Jack Johnson
He took a punch meant to kawai vegeta, remember the fight?
Can krillin do that?
Nathan Butler
Are 17fags former Gohanfags who jumped ship? They seem to have the same double digit IQ.
Thomas Ward
The chads of Sup Forums decided otherwise.
Accept reality vegetafag
It's useless to argue with this vegetafag, he's just ass blasted that 17 do not need pure saiyan DNA to face jiren.
Matthew Roberts
Krillin can't really do anything, in fairness. They would've been better off getting Yamcha than him (they should've at least taken him over tenshinhan, since tenshinhan proved to be a brainlet while Yamcha is a rich, smart, handsome, and famous baseball player)
Bentley Adams
no, because Krillin is a fucking normal human with the durability of an ant.
Also what episode did that happen where 17 TANKED a punch from Jiren?
Nolan Cooper
Tap on YouTube "vegeta, goku, 17 vs jiren"
Enjoy
Xavier Anderson
That's not evidence. Show him the specific scene you're talking about.
Joseph Rivera
Fuck you, faggot. The burden of proof is on you.
Post the link yourself or fuck off
Joseph Barnes
No they age really slow compared to us, a saiyan in his 50s would still biologically be the equivalent of a mid 20s human. Goku looked like a child when he was 15 for example and looked teenage in his 20s meaning Cauli and co are in their 20s.
Thomas King
>Waifufag desperately tries to rationalize that he's not a pedo
Julian Morris
So you do admit that 17 can still fight after taking God tier punch?
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At 1:01
What can you say to that faggots?
Since that durability=strength in db, this mean that 17 is God tier
Joshua Sullivan
Suppressed Future Trunks is a 5. Checkmate atheists.
Liam Rodriguez
And 17 is higher than 15. Checkmate Gokeks.
Charles Sanchez
You posted no proof of 17 not being god tier.
The burden of proof should be on you
Christian Thomas
>What can you say to that faggots?
To post the link the first time, you stupid fucking mong. I'm not even the person that you've been "arguing" with, it's retards like you that don't do this shit from the get-go that make conversations like this stupider than they have to be.
Easton Jenkins
I am so glad this proves you're a fucking moron.
He took a kick while GUARDING and got buried into the fucking rocks. That's not TANKING A PUNCH.
File your fucking concession.
Luke Bell
Different user. This is open forum, and both of those other guys are faggots.
Caleb Adams
I want to take her to the lego store!
Joshua Edwards
He was able to continue the fight you retard.
Anyone who's not God tier would be dead at this moment you retard
Justin Parker
he didn't tank shit, he didn't tank a punch from Jiren. You were literally caught lying. Admit you were wrong. Dont move the goal posts.
Ryder Harris
So krillin can survive to Jiren by just guarding?
>Anyone who can't beat jiren isn't God tier
To everyone, avoid this retard, he's obviously lacking of pure logic
Connor Rogers
Tanking mean that you take damage for someone else.
This happened, 17 tanked damage d'or vegeta, stop lying
Jose Russell
How the fuck is that tanking? 17 was out for a noticeable period of time because of that. That's not tanking, that's getting his ass kicked.
This is tanking:
youtu.be
Josiah Flores
"Tanking a hit" means to take a hit unguarded and pressing on as though it simply did not happen. An example of that is when the gang go against Broly in his first movie, in which they go all-out against him but he just keeps menacingly walking/running towards them so that he can slam their faces into the ground
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The other faggot is getting caught up on terminology. You however, as I have previously stated, are also a faggot.
Elijah Howard
what is best DragonBall opening and why is it the Budokai 2 opening song?
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