Tfw learning japanese to play japanese games and hate every second

>tfw learning japanese to play japanese games and hate every second

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>mfw kanji

Do Remembering the Kanji

Give up.

just give up dingus. you'll never get it, do something more productive and further yourself.

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Leaning Japanese is one of the dullest and most tedious things I've ever done in my life. Kanji can suck my fat dick.

I did it though, the pay off was worth it I guess since pretty much all I play now are untranslated VNs but I wouldn't do it again.

I really want to learn Japanese so i don't have to worry about localizations and censorship and the like but I realized time spent learning japanese is time i could be spending studying for certifications to get a better job

>don't have to worry about censorship
Good one.

isn't learning a complex language just for entertainment a waste of time?
it would make sense if you were planning to actually move to japan or get a job that needs japanese, but learning it just for vidya and manga is like buying a tank to drive to a grocery store

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>tfw memorized the meaning of the kanji but not the pronunciation

>try to play a kids game in Jap to work on vocab
>get bored of translating all the vocab I don't know and just skip through the text to get to the gameplay

>finally learn Japanese
>Japanese game industry is dead

do what you want to get enjoyment out of life, you guys worry too much about what is and what isn't a waste of time. if you aren't motivated don't do it holy fuck

I want to feel safe. Fuck you.
Do you know how many deaths are from cars?
Thought so.

>>it would make sense if you were planning to actually move to japan or get a job that needs japanese
Why? Seriously, why do those things make sense, but learning a language for entertainment doesn't?

You probably spend all your free time on entertainment. For most people, it's their reason for living.

The time you spend learning the language will be far outstripped by the time you spend using the language within a year.

So how long would it take to learn Japanese at a level competent enough to completely or almost completely understand games and other shit? Assuming like an hour or two of practice a day.

>learn Japanese to read fate/stay night because FUCK YOU MESSAGE
>use it to play imports once in a while since they're sure as fuck not localizing Macross 30

Videogames.

2 years.

Took me about a year doing 2-3 hours a day.

Seriously? What did you use to learn?

i'm only learning so i can read untranslated doujins and then translate them for money

You make shit money doing that. Get some real experience under your belt and do private sector work, not only do you not have to waste your time fitting shit into bubbles, you'll get paid 20 times more.

>isn't learning a complex language just for entertainment a waste of time?

Well, why are you so concerned with getting a good job? If all you need is food and a roof over your head, working as a low-ranking manager at Target will get you a trailer and a supply of cheap groceries with money to spare for a rainy day.

You want a good job because basic food and shelter aren't the only things that matter in life. In both seeking a good job and learning Japanese, you're working to obtain luxuries that are currently unobtainable to you. And in the case of Japanese, those luxuries can't be bought with money.

i can do both nigga
i LIKE doujins, so i'll translate those on the side

Some people (actually, most people) don't care about Japanese media or don't consider them "luxuries"

pls respond

Hiragana and katakana are learned in less than two weeks.
Grammar wise Japanese is much easier than English.

Kanji are indeed archaic, but pretty simple in theory. If you have trouble distinguishing them from each other, learn radicals (not their names, just how they look like, there's like only 200 of them that make up the 2000ish jouyou kanji). RTK1 is a good choice for this.
Otherwise just learn kanji through new vocabulary instead of trying to drill each and every one of their possible pronunciations without context. Most classroom teachers go through kanji in a retarded manner befitting Japanese grade schoolers, teaching students to learn kanji without even touching the manner of radicals or similar looking kanji first, and make students learn the readings without context like proper compound words, nor do they mention spaced repetition software like Anki and instead opt to make their students write down the same kanji over and over again on a piece of paper, then forget about reviewing it altogether

To understand most vidya near completely without having to rely on dictionaries? Few years, with some very hard to understand games still being behind your grasp
If you're talking about the point when you are going to play easy to understand vidya for reading practice (which is obviously the most important skill for consuming media), it could very well take less than a year.

Retard proof guide
1. Realkana.com or go google hiragana and katakana mnemonics
2. Tae Kim's Grammar Guide
3. For kanji; Anki (free software), Heisig's Remembering the Kanji 1 .pdf and the related deck (you don't have to do it completely if you're confident in being able to distinguish kanji from each other)
4. Vocab: Core 2000, Core 4000 etc. and other free vocab decks
5. ITH and JParser, start playing easy to understand vidya / VNs / eroge
6. If you feel the need, use Anki Yomichan add-on and make your own vocab decks from ITH output
7. Eroge erryday
8. Pass JLPT N1

And some do you GOOBER

What's your point?

He does, that's why he's learning Japanese.

Why the fuck would it matter if other people don't care? He's the one working his ass learning Japanese to enjoy what he enjoys even more so, for him, it's worth it.

And? Most people have never picked up a book they weren't forced to read in school. Most people watch Hollywood capeshit every year and eat it up like candy. Your argument holds no meaning, unless you seriously base your enjoyment of things on how much other people like them instead of your own personal feelings.

Then those people don't have a reason to learn, do they? At least not one that pertains to being able to consume Japanese media for fun.

However, if someone does place enough value on untranslated VNs that they feel compelled to learn the language in order to read them, then it's worthwhile for them, for the same reason that getting a good job is worthwhile. It will improve THEIR quality of life by providing them with a commodity that they value. Whether other people value it is irrelevant, just like how much value some random old lady places on videogames is irrelevant to whether you consider good gaming hardware to be worthy of your hard earned money. It's the exact same thing.

Once you get to the point you can actually understand some shit it gets better. Almost 1 year in and I'm feeling pretty good about things.

How much do you practice daily senpai?

>learn Japanese for 3 years so I can vidya gaymes
>company learns my jap skill and invites me to go to our Japan branch as they need more people
Should I?
Memes tought me that company life in Japan is mentally crippling

This is very sad, my condolences.

Been in Tokyo for over a year, it is fantastic.

Talk to someone who has add experience working in your company's jap branch and see what they say about it. But I'd definitely recommend it.

SO, guys. How do I have to study kanji anyway?
Nowadays I'm just memorizing(with writing) every kanji's in my Japanese textbook, seven hours straight, each day, but nothing seems improved. Any tip?

I don't think it's possible for me to learn a second language.

Do you really gain anything by studying individual Kanji?
I've only studied vocab and I don't see the point
Fuck writing kanji I don't see how that will help me

>japan will die in your lifetime

I'm conversational in Chinese and we have our share of characters, too. Writing helps me a lot when it comes to memorization.

Don't just spend hours writing vocab, make sure you can apply the vocabulary, too. I spent a lot of time writing practice sentences to help me understand the pronunciation, writing, and usage all at once.

If you're using a textbook, perhaps read the lesson texts while practicing?

This shit just never seems to stick. I spend most my time trying to remember what it actually looks like and how its pronounced in a sentence rather than what it means.

>learning japanese for 3 month to read Rondo Duo
>English patch comes out

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>Nowadays I'm just memorizing(with writing) every kanji's in my Japanese textbook, seven hours straight, each day,
That's the worst and least efficient thing you could be doing. Learning kanji isn't a matter of downing as much information as possible in a short amount of time, but spaced repetition. Download Anki and some kanji decks, maybe RTK1 if you're going through jouyou kanji. If there's some specific vocab you want to learn and have text files of books or output of ITH in case of video games available, download Yomichan add-on and create your own vocabulary deck.

If you have a hard time distinguishing kanji from each other RTK1 deck and the book is great because they group similar looking kanji together.
If you want to study actual kanji usage; meanings and pronunciation in proper words is the best way to go = just study vocabulary and example sentences (can also be done with Anki and its voiced Core 2k, 4k, and so on decks).

Of all things you could learn Japanese for you did it for that?

Also fo the jap oppai growth games like Omega Labirynth

These kinds of posts always trigger the fuck out of me. I can't help but imagine how sad you have to be to consider working towards something you're interested in a waste of time, to consider learning something a waste of time, to consider learning about a culture entirely different from your own a waste of time.
I bet you're one of those faggots in my compsci classes that keeps complaining about everything we learn that he probably won't actually need for a job, even though it's a university that's supposed to focus on academic learning, not fucking job-prepping. Fuck you wannabe wageslave losers, learning for learning's sake is the most beautiful thing there is.

But society has indoctrinated me to consider anything that doesn't benefit the state's consumer lifestyle a waste of time.

a lot of games you don't need to know anything to play, I mean are you autistic enough to not play an 80s side scroller because you don't know what an item is called

Once again, do Remembering the Kanji.

Then your efforts are not wasted. Keep working hard for those other things you'd like to read.

Do you know how many deaths are from tanks?

>tfw dyslexia
>tfw you literally can't learn Japanese

I think Wanikani is better

>tfw learning Japanese
>stopped doing Anki after I got 4000 vocab words and the 2141 Joyo Kanji
>now I just learn by playing vidya or reading the news
Sure I improve in a slower fashion but the stress/frustration factor is now 0%

Keep learning.
All the ancient Japanese vidya is somehow better than their modern stuff so what you want already exists.
Just keep up your study and you'll be able to play a mountain of smut one day.

Holy shit I can actually read this. Would be nice if it was a bit slower though.

It's all very simple words so that's probably why that user posted it in the first place. This kinda of material is really cool when you're starting so you can really feel the progress
Try this too : www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/

I love you guys, thanks for the tip.

That's pretty cool, though furigana are almost cheating.

I'd recommend the new Pokemon games, since the 3DS they've started providing all languages on the cart so you don't even need to import to get Japanese. You can turn kanji on which you should but it's all still relatively simple text so it's good for beginners.
Problem is it can get a little boring, the writing in Pokemon often isn't very interesting, but if you happen to enjoy the game then it's a good way to learn.

Yeah once you get the hang of it furigana become annoying because you automatically read them first, it's the same phenomenon that when you read subtitles when you don't actually need them. I'm just plugging this one because it was one of my best material when I started.
In a similar fashion, I have imported the JP version of Yokai Watch 1 & 2 and it's good for practice. Also, Ni no Kuni is a must play if you have a PS3 and are learning Japanese.

>tfw photographic memory but completely inept at social interactions
I've memorized and written kanji a lot of Japanese would be impressed by. Whenever I try to apply all the knowledge however it falls to shambles, start stuttering like a bitch.

I did the exact same thing as you did, with the exception of perhaps additional custom 3000 vocab words through Anki's Yomichan add-on while I was playing easy vidya. Once you get the bare basics down and become more comfortable with encountering kanji it's all downhill from there, you just read and read while over time becoming faster at it.

Though, if you only do that your production skills (writing and speaking) obviously aren't going to improve that much, but then again I assume most people learning Japanese do it for the express purpose of being able to consume Japanese media (reading and listening comprehension). As a result I fuck up some extremely simple shit like even forgetting how to write certain katakana despite being completely capable of reading JLPT N1 level texts.

Reading and speaking are two completely different skills.

Just pretend to be a mute and write everything you want to say on a notepad and show it to them.

Pronunciation isn't really a problem since the language is almost phonetic.
Only a few exceptions here and there like how some people pronounce ひと as "shito" and I get really confused.

>tfw learning japanese to play japanese games and loving it
The first time those random squiggles turned into an actual word I could read it blew my mind wide open

Tell me about it. In my head I sound fluent but as soon as the words try to come out..

That or go full Stephen Hawking.

WHY CAN'T JAPAN JUST MOVE TO ROMAJI

FUCK

I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes. That way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody. If anybody wanted to tell me something, they'd have to write it on a piece of paper and shove it over to me. They'd get bored as hell doing that after a while, and then I'd be through with having conversations for the rest of my life. Everybody'd think I was just a poor deaf-mute bastard and they'd leave me alone . . . I'd cook all my own food, and later on, if I wanted to get married or something, I'd meet this beautiful girl that was also a deaf-mute and we'd get married. She'd come and live in my cabin with me, and if she wanted to say anything to me, she'd have to write it on a piece of paper, like everybody else.

They could, but they won't.

Yeah, pronouncing Japanese is actually quite easy. I was talking more about being able to create polite and grammatically correct sentences on the spot without having to take your time to search for proper expressions. I have a similar problem with speaking English, though obviously to lesser extent than Japanese.

Same with writing too, I can read okay but if I wanted to type a sentence I'm sure it would sound retarded.

How could they? Since they have tons of homophones, how could they then know which word it is without seeing hte kanji

Because Japanese is a very contextual language you fuck. Like they don't know whether you're talking about fucking salmon or sake etc

Tokyo or Toukyou?

stop?

Fuuck I'm the same. I read Japanese everyday but whenever I try to speak "huumm watashi wa humm user desu ?"
The worst part is that I'm going to Japan in 3 weeks and I fear being awkward as fuck.

You'll get used to it. Alcohol also helped me a bunch, just practice talking at izakaya.

Where in Japan are you going? You don't need to know a word of Japanese to get by in Tokyo.

Just to be clear I'm going there for an internship, not tourism. I think I won't have too many problems finding ways to practice because I'll be surrounded by 90% Japanese people everyday
Ikeda, it's close to Osaka.

>They could, but they won't.
That's false. Japanese government actually considered changing to just kana or romaji at some points, but found it impossible / very impractical due to usage and limitations of kana syllabaries having caused a fuckton of homophones over the course of history and development of Japanese language. Just look at kana; the syllables cover all the possible sounds in Japanese language with only few variations like gemination. Compare that to Roman alphabet where you can freely combine all sorts of separate vowels and consonants. Changing to just kana or romaji would remove many important visual cues and make understandability suffer, even if you used spaces. Anyone native or someone who has learned Japanese can attest to this.

Sure, kanji as a system are very archaic but there's no way to just up and pluck them from the language this late. Of course, spoken language can't benefit from kanji so the listeners have to rely on context or have the speaker explain what they're talking about. Kanji become extremely important in even remotely scientific or other fields using specified vocabulary, and actually help readers who are introduced to foreign concepts if they already know the base meaning of a kanji ideogram they're encountering again.

It would really help if japanese wasn't such a difficult and shitty language.

Not as shitty as English
>Tear and tear have identical spelling and different pronunciations
>Funness isn't an 'real' word because reasons
>Funner isn't a 'real' word
>Funny is fine though
>Funning isn't

What can I say, I love Japanese conjugation.

Dont be afraid to be awkward. Thats the worst thing you can do. I travelled a loy across the europe looking for job just with basic english. Peoplr are very understanding and its better to say things in simply way than trying to thing first about grammar etc. Practice is all you need

Then you're doing it wrong. I'm playing video games while learning japanese at the same time and it's fun (outside of the necessary evil that is anki).

Nepgear is for...

>うん means 'yes'
>ううん means 'no'

great language

>uh-huh means yes
>uh-uh means no

Literally the same fucking thing.

Learning faggots.
Why haven't you played Nekopara yet?
It gives you the option to display two languages (2) at the same time as you play.

I wish more games did this.

If you aren't enjoying it then you won't learn it

さっさと止めろ

What novel is this called?

your dumb shut up

Hand holding and head pats. She's a good girl.

It's inevitable when you first start speaking. Same with sounding like a baby or just a general uneducated dumbass. Having a good base from lots of reading and especially listening can help, but there's ultimately no way around the growing pains.

The important thing is that you practice a lot and keep striving to improve. Try speech shadowing, recording yourself to spot things to fix, and talking to yourself when you're alone. When you combine that with a good knowledge base, you'll eventually go from sounding like a baby to sounding like an educated foreigner.

Because on one hand it's a complete pile of shit game that nobody would willingly play for more than 5 minutes if they had any taste, and on the other, the translation is overly liberal and thus pretty useless for the purpose you think it is. "分かりました" means "ma'am" now?