FF7 REMAKE

>New game will follow suit with XIII, being 3 full size games
>One reason cited for multiple parts was so SqEn"did not have to cut any of the original content "
>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
>Gameplay in current trailers looks very similar and FPS looks garbage, much the same as the PLATINUM demo

It's what the people want, but is it what should happen?

Is this game going to be a total clusterfuck or will it make its mark, as many people want it to?

Anything I've missed about this game, post it.

it's probably gonna be a clusterfuck, but it doesn't really look similar to xv and i wouldn't judge anything based on the gameplay seen in the trailers, it's probably already very different.

they're apparently going to take liberties with it, which is fine, but if they put in genesis and angeal and shit i just don't fucking know mang. they were only necessary to fill out the prequel. they'll just turn the remake into a bloated, incoherent mess

I just meant the current trailers they have similarities. Its supposedly more like Kingdom Hearts. Which is fine

>It's what the people want
No. The people wanted a remake, not a reimagining. Its a different game with a coat of FF7 paint on it.

I would gather that most of the fans who saw it revealed got a boner.
Personally, I think nostalgia isn't always a good thing.

post content that you think will get cut off:
>fort condor, muh budget
>dating barret
>dolphin jumping in junon
>snowboarding
>plot attempt to impregnate aeris with red xiii
>tifa's big tits
>swearing at shera
>orthopedic underwear
>submarine minigame

In addition to those:
>Swearing in general
>Aeris ITS BEEN RETCONNED GET OVER IT
>Gold saucer (?)
>Escape from Midgar mini game (?)

Athough I don't see why tits are a problem. JRPGs are usually consistent with that kind of thing.

THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN

it already did

You're a real funny guy...

Was gonna use a movie quote, but that's shit

Better example

>No Nobuo on music

ATB sucks ass anyway

Unreal Engine

Still waiting for the "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series" dlc announcement

>Yuffie's short gets buttoned

OR

>Tifa loses her skirt, gets shorts instead and tits are slightly smaller

Pick one.

Vincent and Yuffie will be dlc

Literally Lol'd

>plot attempt to impregnate aeris with red xiii
yo to be real though that always struck me as weird as hell. why the fuck would hojo, a man of science even think that'd work ever. i mean i get he's kind of insane but still.

>Battle system almost identical to FFXV

Shit thread you b8 is shit try harder 2/10

All they have to do is orchestrate the synth stuff. Do they even need another soundtrack for this game?

I did say "almost"

Not b8n m8,stay str8

Squeenix pls

Naw, he just wanted to splice em together in his big machine.

Right ?

he wanted to see how a dog fucks an alien, who wouldn't want to watch that?

>Featuring Dante from DmC: Devil May Cry

>play it first on playstation 4

god that was so pathetic to witness, sony is so poor they can't even afford exclusives anymore

Dropped.

>Faggots wanted a remake

Fixed that for you. How sad is a person who would rather pay $60 for a game he's already played over an entirely new game (or not buying anything at all)?

>a man of science

Science is literally putting things togheter until something happens with the experimental method, he had two alien species that had the qualities he wanted, if impregnation wouldn't work he would've gone with artificial ovulation or some shit, just going by stages man, you never know.

There's simply not enough original game to fill 3 full size games.

FF7 has always been the nostalgia cash cow that they refused to do anything with for a long time. Now they're finally doing it they're going to capitalise on that nostalgia cash.

I don't blame them for doing it this way. It's the smart business decision. Unfortunately they're probably going to VA everything to pad out disk space and attempt to justify the 3 game schtick as a data capacity issue.

The first will be decent but short, complaints of not enough content expected.

The second will be good on content but feel ultimately pointless in terms of story progress.

The last game and all the endgame content will be panned for being too easy as the difficulty ramp will reset with each instalment.

File continuation between games will be present but pointless with no real reward or reason to do so.

Will it be good by today's standards? Absolutely.

It can never live up to expectations though because what many would feel should be done with it, would not fly in current markets.

This game is not so much aimed at the nostalgia as it is those who could not go back and play it due to the dated graphics (as dumb a reason that is). Nostalgiabux are pure bonus to them, they're the unemployed marketing machine for it.

wasn't the original game 3 discs? I remember that the game was pretty damn long, if they want to 3Dtize the whole thing it would be pretty fucking huge, like a 180 gb game.

At least you're admitting it has nothing to do with the original.

but it's not the same game redone, they've said multiple times that they want to retell the story from scratch and not simply rethread it

Yes it was, but it was not a long/large game because of that. It was a pretty typical RPG length at the time.

fuck no, it's not what should happen, this game makes me so fucking mad, this is not FF7, this is an unholy abomination that is an ugly mixture of advent children and FF15 with all the little touch and funny stuff that made FF7 a classic in the first place sucked away in the name of pretty next gen movies

this is what the FF7 remake should have looked like

It only takes about 40 hours to beat the game on average. Most of the disc space went to the FMV's, the final disc itself was just the final area FMV's.

It would be hard to justify 2 full sized games, a set up like MGSV had is much more likely if we want to talk about all the content. First game is $30 and covers everything up the first Continent. The Second Game is everything else.

If they go the TPP/GZ route then they should logically end the first one with leaving Midgar/arriving at Kalm

Still gonna buy it. Stay mad

And you admit that you're essentially a graphics whore willing to pay full price for a game simply because it's shiny?

That's what I said.

Not mad. Generating a discussion on points that I have expressed as an opinion.

You seem cool. Don't become a shitlord

I don't care what they do.
I never wanted a remake.
I knew it would be action shit and retconned to suit the awful AWFUL spinoffs.

This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH.

FF has been dead for a long time now, it died some time in between XII and XIII.

>And you admit that you're essentially a graphics whore willing to pay full price for a game simply because it's shiny?
There's a lot a proper remake could have done without relying entirely on graphics.

So you don't want to play the same game again, you just want to play mostly the same game again but with prettier graphics.

The point still stands.

>This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH

I played it long before those, but I know I'd personally still like to see an updated version. Its just so memorable and I'd like to see the characters brought to life.

The spinoffs were by no means perfect, considering the addition of some questionable characters and themes. But it gave us a look at what the game could be in the future. Even back when the tech demo was teased, people went nuts.

I just thought they should save it for a landmark anniversary or something.

>fans ask for a remake
>literally get a remake
>fans get mad

You keep grasping but getting nothing.

It's not a remake. It's not even FF7.

>But it gave us a look at what the game could be in the future
Absolute trash?

Prease buy this game 3 times

>I just thought they should save it for a landmark anniversary or something
2017 is the 20th anniversary of the game.

>it's what the people want

Your response to me accusing you of wanting to play the same game again is "they could change up the game instead of doing a 1-to-1 remake". That is exactly what they're doing, but you're complaining that it is not 1-to-1 enough.

The only conclusion I can draw is that you are lying to yourself -- you do want to play the same game again, maybe with a bit of extra content. You want the developers to waste years of their time and millions of dollars to play 90% of the same thing again (that's being generous, we both know Square wouldn't add 10% new content to a straight remake) and then you want to pay full price for it (because if you don't want to pay full price for it, then you have no right to complain). All of those resources could be put towards new experiences (good or bad) but you want the same thing again no matter the cost.

"Proper" remakes have no place in the industry anymore. The purpose remakes previously served was
- making old games widely available again (we have emulation and digital releases now)
- improving the graphics (which now costs ridiculous amounts of time and money)
- adding new content (which is a good thing, but requires the new graphics part as well).

I mean that the updated graphics can give us insight into what the game could look like on modern hardware.

Oh... how nice that worked out then.

>play 90% of the same thing again (that's being generous, we both know Square wouldn't add 10% new content to a straight remake)
No, it's 90% the same ganme because they cut the last 10% instead.

That was funny and I respect your opinion on the matter

All the more reason why a straight remake would be terrible. It would be paying full price for less than what you've already played.

Ok cool. That means that I can play up though Midgard and be done with it. Best part of the original game.

I always stop playing when I hit Kalm anyway.

I'm playing the game for the first time, disc 3 and chocobo breeding is such a pain in the arse

>Not mentioning Wall Market
>Not mentioning Honey Bee Inn and Cloud's totally homo gay orgy in the hot semen tub.

I just want some remake footage of the rest of Gaia.

We've seen Midgar in its HD, re-imagined form for years, years and years, game after movie after game, and that's all was in the VII Remake trailer too. I know how it's going to look.

I'm anxious to see how the gold saucer will look, the northern crater, the shinra building. There's lots of great locales and rooms that I'm anxious they'll not capture the feel of. It will feel like a very different game indeed if too many of the locations are designed differently.

>Your response to me accusing you of wanting to play the same game again is "they could change up the game instead of doing a 1-to-1 remake". That is exactly what they're doing, but you're complaining that it is not 1-to-1 enough.
No, you're just making assumptions in hopes of being technically right.

Also, there's a significant difference between fixing some things and making a new game then claiming its the same.

>"Proper" remakes have no place in the industry anymore.
Says you. Remakes of games like WC3 and KOTOR would be stellar.

>we have emulation and digital releases now
Neither of which fix everything and often times makes shit worse. That goes specifically for emulation which still has errors in some SNES games.

>>Battle system almost identical to FFXV
Not really. The fact that you have multiple controllable characters means it's different. Hell, it kind of reminded me of FF12's combat.

Wall market isn't that important IMO. Just Sector 5 and 6 in general, really. The park was more memorable for me than that,

The other scene is one that I've never seen before... let's leave that out....

Again... Almost.

I think wall market, honey bee inn and cross dressing will make it, but yeah collecting the items probably won't be due to hot tub and doing squats

>No, you're just making assumptions in hopes of being technically right.

Tell me where I'm wrong, then. About how different would your ideal FF7 remake be from the original?

>Also, there's a significant difference between fixing some things and making a new game then claiming its the same.

Exactly. You want the former, which would be a terrible waste of the developer's time and money, when any sane person would want the latter because they've already played the game.

If all you want are minor fixes to a great game as opposed to an entirely new game (because that is what you would be giving up), I don't know what to say.

No matter how the remake turns out Sup Forums will shitpost about it

Even though 90% of Sup Forums is underage and hasn't played FFVII to begin with

I hope they dial back the combat if it's going to be like XV.
Playing the XV demo, the endless teleporting and weapon switching mid combo also removes that feeling of weight and consequence to combat in my opinion.

It's like, the first KH felt weighty as fuck, positioning mattered and it really felt like you were playing as a teenager throwing a big metal key around.
KH2 was slicker but ultimately went a little bit too far with Sora literally cutting flying skyscrapers in half.

>I don't know what to say.
That you have no argument other than your opinion.

Or to add, if all you want are minor fixes then there is even less of a reason to make a remake. We live in a time where these things can be patched in to a digital release -- you should be petitioning Square to fix their digital release.

...

>You want the former, which would be a terrible waste of the developer's time and money, when any sane person would want the latter because they've already played the game.
Market trend and sales data say otherwise. Remasters and proper remakes have all been wildly popular and here to stay.

So what exactly DO fans of FF7 want in a remake? I can hardly ever see anyone agreeing on whether this is good or bad

Obviously you are allowed to have your opinion. I'm not going to stop you from wanting to pay full price for the same game when you could have had an entirely new experience.

But you cannot go on to shitpost
>No. The people wanted a remake, not a reimagining.
where you assume the opinions of other people match your own.

My nigga, you know what's up.

>disc 3
it's literally just FMV's and a final dungeon
what's a pain in the ass about it

Is it FF8? then?

I'm 19 and played it recently. It was okay

>Is it FF8?
I wish. That's the one FF game that could truly use an adaption like this considering how hit or miss it is.

I'm not particularly offended by it's existence or anything. I'm just not really looking forward to it in any way because I think it's pretty unnecessary. If I could love the original game as much as I do in it's current state, all this remake will do is provide things for me to nitpick at and dislike. So in that regard I just don't really care about it. If it turns out well, that's good for them, but the only way they could actually please me is to make a 1:1 remake with better graphics, which they've already stated they aren't doing.
To that effect I'm basically just looking at it like a different thing entirely.

It is though. You want a graphics mod, not a remake. Thankfully we're getting the latter though.

The battle system isn't even close to what XV is, are you fucking blind? Everything in 7R is entirely menu based with canned animations, there is no aerial combat, there is no jumping, there is no dodge rolls, there is no parries, there is no weapon switching, it's nothing like XV system.

XV is an actual Action RPG with direct button inputs mapped to different commands and fully action based combat.

7R is a real time menu RPG, it still operates through the menu while you run around in real time, all your commands are still through the menu.

REmake is the gold standard of remakes, update, improve and expand (on ideas that could not be implemented originally).

They're treating it like a do-over with their reimagining.

Angeal is long dead by the time FFVII happens anyway

Providing nods to the other Compilation games would be fine if you ask me. FFVIIR IS a Compilation title, after all (as in, not a replacement FFVII).
Like a Tsviet cameo, or some hints about theirs and Deepground's origins or whatever
Maybe some info on the time between Crisis Core and VII, or some more info on the Turks that could tie into Before Crisis

>with all the little touch and funny stuff that made FF7 a classic in the first place sucked away
Ah, you must be a time traveler. Welcome back to the past!

I'm sure that's the case, because you wouldn't make such a wide, decisive statement based on a teaser and about 30 seconds of combat footage, would you?

It must mean you've already played the game and seen this to be the case.

>This game is for FF7 "fans" who never played FF7. The people whose first encounter with FF7 was watching AC or playing KH.
What if those people played FFVII after KH or AC?

Or is that just not possible somehow
Obviously if you didn't play FFVII in 1997, you've never played it!

First of all 7R is nothing like XV.

Second of all FF7 itself was ATB based, not turn based, being turn based like DQ is nothing like what FF7 ever was.

FF7R is real time movement with ATB and command menu, it's nothing like XV, the closest thing it is to is FF12.

>update, improve and expand (on ideas that could not be implemented originally).

From what we know so far this is exactly what they're doing. And to an even greater extend the REmake did.

>What if those people played FFVII after KH or AC?

You're a completely separate audience than the ones who played ff7 around its release date. Not saying you cant enjoy the game but I'd imagine what you would want it to be wouldn't be what older FF& fans would want if you favor KH and AC more.

To be fair RE is literally a game that can be beaten in 2 hours.

I guess for all of those who really don't have any love for the FF7 Remake, there are always PC mods.

It looks pretty ok, I suppose

I want to be able to share the FF7 I love with my friends through an updated presentation so that it is a bit easier for them to digest. FF7R will not even come close to fitting this bill. They're pulling a George Lucas, but worse... like they have no respect for the original expression.

Also, relatively speaking, it will fail by the multi-game model. You can't properly hype FF7 PART ONE the same way you can if you drop the whole thing in one go (which is what one of the greatest games of all time would deserve)

In short, as of now it's shit unless fans provide some monumental backlash

Well I would qualify as someone who prefers KH, and my first real FFVII experience was AC

Actually FFVII was the last part of the series I got to
And I didn't actually get to finish the game myself because I stupidly used the PAL .iso which is apparently broken in emulation

And I do prefer action-RPGs, because I think they're more fun and engaging
But I wouldn't have minded FFVIIR being ATB

But, unlike a lot of the FFVII fanboys, even if it were basically just FFVII but prettier, I'd want there to be changes because I found the combat sorely lacking, and the game as a whole was just a bit too easy. The writing and pacing of the narrative in general, that could've used some extra work as well.

Overall my opinion of FFVII is that it's just alright. I don't think that I'd have a much different opinion if I had played it in '97.

First thing I thought when we had that teaser for FFVIIR was "thank God, a better translation"
'Cause dang, that first attempt was pretty rough

I'm mostly excited for FFVIIR because it's a fresh take on a game that had more potential than it lived up to, and I think they have the opportunity to do some cool things with it, for new and old fans alike.

>From what we know so far this is exactly what they're doing.
From what we know, it's a different game. It's nothing like REmake.

You can approach it in a more positive way by reminding yourself that it's technically a new game. There is only one Final Fantasy VII, and it was released for the PS1 in 1997.

>they've said multiple times that they want to retell the story from scratch and not simply rethread it
That does not sound like a remake. That's redo with their own spin.

REmake was a huge success because it was a more complete vision of what the creator wanted. Pretty much exactly what the fans expected and wanted.

Larger game doesn't mean less effort is acceptable.

So what does everyone think of no possibility of FF7R (or KH3, or Nier Automata) until at the earliest Summer of 2017?
Apparently during a shareholder meeting Squeenix showed the games coming out within the next fiscal year and none of the aforementioned games were on the list.
Wasn't the point of splitting 7R into multiple games to at least in part expedite it somewhat?

It's not a matter of whether or not Angeal was alive in the compilation universe during the events of FF7 - It's whether or not his character existed in 1997.