"Classes only have 4 buttons."

>"Classes only have 4 buttons."
>My hunter has 5 main single-target abilities, an AOE ability, traps, pet controls and abilities and heals, buff CDs, damage mitigation (Disengage, Binding Shot, Deterrance), special abilities (from talents like Barrage, Crows, etc.), and a silence.

Inb4 PvE. Not having to use all your abilities because the raid doesn't use CC isn't a class problem.

Sorry, is it 2007 again?

Is that it? Pssh you WoW casuals would be lost in an actual skilled game like FFXIV

>XIV
>skill

Try 2004 FFXI faggot

>my hunter

Stopped reading there

>XIV
>Skilled
>No fight has even come close to Alone in the Darkness or something as recent as Operator thromgar

What's the most fun PvP class? Fun can include least downtime / least stationary play (fuck sitting around spamming frostbolt, but frost has its ups as well, I suppose), most damage, best at BG objectives like flag carrying, etc.

>MM Hunter
>Chimera on CD
>Barrage on CD
>Steady shot when you need focus
>else just spam Aimed Shot


Now, Hunters have never had a lot to do for a rotation, but this is still shit. I don't even get fucking Serpent Sting anymore.

Can't wait for this shit to go full circle and we end up back at auto-DPS mode with the player occasionally using an ability.

wotlk hunter,everything in modern wow is shit.

That's just rotations drawn out. You can do that with any shitty mmo with more than 3 abilities. You can do that for fucking Diablo 3 with its 7 abilities per character limit.

If you post the priority order that looks like 10-20 abilities, mostly the same 5-10, over and over. Which is exactly what WoW does.

FFXIV is a wow clone. It's from the last era of wow clones. It did not one single thing new. It copied the old, outdated quest system, class system, combat, etc. The newest feature in FFXIV was GW2-style meta events in zones.

>9s CD
>using Barrage
I know there's not really another option, but I basically always have a target that's more important than spamming a group with low DPS per character. There's still the ordinary class requirement to CC targets and silence.

FFXI was never about skill. It was about farming for expensive equipment and spells and poopsocking HNM windows.

t. skillless cuck what probably wsd in a fukkn byrnie LMAO

i bt y fukn googld "ffxi skill" didnt u and just parroted th irst post what popd up

baka m8

Fuck you man, I got kicked out of college because I spent all night camping Kings only to get outclaimed by some botting JP Onry son of a bitch.

>WoW
>Current Year

Fucking hell, move on already.

Post jenny

>wanting to have to play your keyboard like a piano every single fight

>thinking this is even one of the main things wrong with WoW

How about the fact that once you hit max level the game is so fucking BORING

you don't use barrage on CD, at least not when you're on a boss fight with little to no adds
if that is the case, you're mostly going to be spamming aimed shot the entire way through (with steady shots for focus and chimera shots in between because chimera shot does the most damage out of all your abilities, both in burst and in a sustained fight)

>once you hit max level
I hope you arent implying levelign isnt boring as all fuck

I finally broke my addiction with Legion. With all the shit they're cutting out even the Rogue and Warlock changes just don't sound fun enough for me to want to play again. That's not even getting into the fact that Demon Hunters are exclusive to some of the worst races in the game.

>even the Rogue and Warlock changes just don't sound fun enough
>even the Rogue
I would quit too if they gave my class a DESIGNATED class hall right in the sewers :^)

Demon hunters being exclusive to Elves isnt terrible desu. At least theyre being consistent with the lore for once.

Nothing was worse than seeing Tauren, Gnome, Draenei and especially fucking Nelf Death Knights at the start of WOTLK. 90% of Alliance DKs were male Nelfs. Disgusting.

Orc Demon Hunters could work though.

There are never enough elves.

hunters have the best class hall, cozy hunting lodge sounds fucking neato

>rolled and stuck with a gnome dk at the start of wotlk because I knew how mad it made autists

I also have a fetish for small races

>not wanting to be a rogue
>not wanting to live in a fucking sewer

Terrible life choice mate.

Gnome mage is practically my main.

I think you meant to say
>There are never enough elves to kill

Windwalker Monk. 1v1 god and you do more burst damage than anyone. Mobile as fuck too.

honestly the only race/class combination I want to see now is worgen shaman
it's fucking criminal that the two alliance races with shamans as a possible class are ugly, plus they could make up some bullshit about worgen being entwined with Lo'Gosh or something to make it a thing

> the two alliance races with shamans as a possible class are ugly
>plays worgen

Fuck off furry faggot.

Those "piano" rotations are just rotations that are mildly stimulating the the average 3-digit-IQ-having person. They seem like "playing a piano" to you because you're retarded as fuck. The game is boring right now primarily because they dumbed down a game that used to be relatively stimulating and challenging in all aspects in order to appeal to retards like you.

You are the cancer.

topping charts along with having the biggest shoulder armor ratio
bite me faggot

Nobody cares about alliance, and your 1% extra crit is nothing compared to Orc racials fagboy.

>Orc racials
yeah but they're horde, i'm still topping charts on alliance
does it trigger you this much that someone chose something other than a human or a nelf to play as on alliance side

No one said anything about chart topping. You were specific on appearance. You said both current shaman races for Alliance are ugly and that Worgen should be considered as an option for the class.

You are insinuating that Worgens are not ugly, and certainly not uglier than Dwarves and Draenei. And yes, Im aware they have an out of form model, but that hardly matters now does it?

Leads me to believe that your decision is based on being the filthy furry faggot you are.

>bite me
I try not to indulge furry fantasies.

I don't give a fuck about the lore anymore. That went out the window a long time ago. Not only can I NOT go maximum edgemaster and be an Undead Demon Hunter for kicks, but Demon Hunters are yet another fucking leather agi class that nobody wanted. Dark Ranger would've been way cooler, and would've filled a niche that's sorely lacking. It would've been nice to get another class that can use mail (and maybe another spec that can use fucking caster mail) but now there are only TWO specs in the game that use fucking ranged weapons since for some godforsaken reason they decided to give Hunters a melee spec and Dark Ranger could've gone a long way to justify ranged weapons existing at all but hey what the fuck do I know, I don't even play the game anymore thank christ.

>hear about how all the kids play alliance
>roll horde
>FOR DA HORDE XD
>PUNT ALL GNOMES XDDD
>FUKKIN ALLIANCE KIDDIE FAGS HAHAH
>roll alliance and never look back

you got me on the chart topping thing, which is something i mentioned just to spite that user more
>And yes, Im aware they have an out of form model, but that hardly matters now does it?
i'd say it makes all the difference when both dwarves and draenei received model updates at the start of WoD, with worgen still having the same models from the beginning of Cataclysm

not only that, even with the two races having received model updates, they still look objectively uglier in any class armor set than worgen, excluding maybe female draenei

>even wanting your vicious savage worgen werewolf whatever the fuck in armor and using weapons

They should be naked from the waist up.I couldnt play worgen without mogging fist weapons.

Obviously blizzard doesn't give a shit about them so fuck off you furry piece of shit

>being this mad

How did 2007 go for you?

>Raid doesn't use CC

What are mythic raids.

i swear anyone who believes anything said on the internet outside of Google Scholar is fucking disabled

>can't refute my statement so you go off sounding "muh furry boogeyman"
how does it feel being too judgmental to see that non-furries might just enjoy playing as werewolves, user

Is this an epic new meme?

I play XIV and these charts are 90% fluff bullshit. I could teach someone to play DRK in a few sentences because most of that hot mess you posted is just fixed combos and hitting OGCDs when they appear.

liking werewolves doesn't make me a furry. What kind of grown man doesn't like classic horror movies? You might be the faggot, friend.

There's nothing to do anywhere then. Theres no world pvp cuz everything is instanced and phased and people don't do anything but queue. Doing the same raid 4 times is shit. I can't pug shit because people I can guarantee i'm better than write me off because I didn't play this shit xpac enough to get the fucking stupid ring.

This whole fucking game is so bad.

This, monk is like a faster rogue, but all the abilities are actually fun.

kek

Not him, and I have absolutely no affinity for Worgen or furry, but Worgen are much better than Draenei. D. females are anatomically awful, and the males have fucking tentacles hanging off their face.

You can't posture like this. It's supposed to be "bone over bone".

Horde was always the child faction
Alliance isnt much better believe me it is better

legion has changed MM spec quite a bit. I've been playing around with it for a few days now, and I'm enjoying it a lot.

I'm convinced the pruning complaints and lack of buttons to press will change once people hit 110, unlock their pvp shit and max out their artifact weapon.

also, I've noticed many defensive abilities were removed from each spec. this is probably their way of reducing how many escapes and second lives we have in pvp.

if monk is so much fun, why is it last on the list of classes played?

shit is boring as fuck, and the gear is ugly.

Horde was the faction for bros and skilled players. Every meaningful world first was Horde guilds. When I played in Vanilla-Wrath, I'd fuck around with people in /1 and /2. Never got reported, never got banned. The instant I made an Alliance character and tried that shit I got a 3 day ban instantly. The Alliance was filled with autistic cancer who were trash-tier players.

I don't fucking know, I don't follow what faggots flock to. I play what I enjoy. And coming from soneone that played a rogue from vanilla to mop, i think monk is more fun.

It's relatively new, the style isn't autism grimdark enough to attract children, it's had a lot of periods where it was weak as fuck, and it has one of the highest skillcaps and lowest skillfloors so shitty players can't perform at all with it.

If every class has CC, it's still not going to be as nice as it could. Trying to get away from even a single class is pretty impossible against some specs. Hunters get a 50% slow for 6s on a 5s CD. Where's the tuning philosophy that says stuff that goes on CD isn't supposed to always be up?

Sub rogue 4.3 required the most skill in the history of WoW to play properly in both PvE and PvP

Prove me wrong faggots (You can't)

>Rogue
>Skill

>why is it last
because its hard to play for retarded WoWtards and relatively weak compared to more braindead specs

8 active skills is all you need.

What's the alternative? Sandboxing? You can't have a sandbox with raid lockouts and gear that's stays with the character no matter what? There's no consequence, and there's no demand.

>4.3 sub rogue with legendary daggers
>taking skill in pvp
pick 1

>you cant have a sandbox with raid lockouts
just a hard respawn timer really

>>you cant have a sandbox with raid lockouts
There's more to that statement.

>Horde was the faction for bros and skilled players
Stop. It was just as full of shitters.

>Every meaningful world first was Horde guilds.
Horde races had absolutely overpowered PvE racials (%health, attack/cast speed increase, AD/Spellpower increase), Blizzard never wanted to admit that though. Even for PvP they refused to accept it despite most players being Human.

>The Alliance was filled with autistic cancer who were trash-tier players.
No need to be salty, senpai.

>Stop. It was just as full of shitters.
Nope, it had more bros and skilled players, therefore there were less shitters.

>Horde races had absolutely overpowered PvE racials
Not really. Sounds like an excuse desu.

>play DRG
>boring shit mainly due to GCD and fundamental flaws within the game, not so much the class itself
>less intensive than playing SPriest back in vanilla/BC with like 5-7 regular buttons used during a fight

Mindsets have changed, nobody would do World PvP unless they actually got something for it to show off or got rewards in general (Wintergrasp, Tol Barad)

>Doing the same raid 4 times is shit
It has always been this, and it was at its worst during Vanilla when there was no catch-up gear so you'd do it fucking 20 times.

why do people think skill spam is better gameplay?

>Not really. Sounds like an excuse desu.
Do you work for Blizzard? There's no fucking denying that Horde had ridiculously good PvE auras that aided in fights a lot. They were literally extra DPS cooldowns.

Alliance? 1% hit aura... woah....... And that's about fucking it for meaningful PvE racials.

>Nope, it had more bros and skilled players, therefore there were less shitters.
Sorry but your circlejerk group doesn't make up the whole epin horde which had fucking infestation of edgy grimdark UD Rogues everywhere.

Sorry, not auras, racials.

At least the gear was worth a fuck in vanilla.

Every patch of "catch up" gear is just a big FUCK YOU for all the time and effort you put into PVE considering ilvl is the only reward for raiding now, and it means fuck all.

>nobody would go do World PvP now
except that people fought a LOT on Timeless Isle even after they got their mount

>At least the gear was worth a fuck in vanilla.
How exactly was it worth more?

>Every patch of "catch up" gear is just a big FUCK YOU for all the time and effort you put into PVE considering ilvl is the only reward for raiding now, and it means fuck all.
iLvl has existed ALWAYS. At the beginning it was just hidden until some poster figured that shit out and Blizzard decided to make it shown instead of hidden.

Also, Catch up gear is never as good as the raiding gear. It can be better than the gear 2 tiers ago but usually it stucks a bit behind gear from last tier. Not to mention it doesn't offer tier set bonuses or the trinkets aren't as good.

>Mindsets have changed, nobody would do World PvP unless they actually got something for it to show off or got rewards in general
This isn't true at all. PvP realms that aren't dead have shit tons of WPvP in areas where there's players and flying mounts are disabled.

Tbh Timeless Isle was just a place where you could act like a total cunt.

desu the timeless isle was great and anybody who cried is shit

People would do world PVP for bragging rights

Problem is they always tie the world PVP content to some bullshit objective grind.

If they wanted to foster a good world PVP enviroment they should give us something to fight over and own, like towns or forts in zones, and our guild banners get hung on the gates

Problem with every attempt blizzard has made at making a world PVP system is they pretty much funnel everyone into a glorified BG with retarded objectives

I wouldn't mind if it was on equal grounds but fuck people who only stuck around to gank people who were in their greens.

It's just a telltale sign of a bad player.

>Timeless Isle was just a place where you could act like a total cunt
That's what WPvP is. People getting ganked and doing something about it in retaliation.

>its usually a bit behind last tier
nope, your delusional
>Ilvl has always exist
and retard you wouldnt get just same gear higher ilvl for doing harder bosses like you do now

>be on a massive horde pvp server as ally
>play destro lock and get full conq gear with a mix of OP as shit SOO heroic trinks
>go ham on timeless isle
>nearly one shot people and always bait them into the guards

God damn Destro lock was so broken but so much fun. I miss dot snap shotting, it was the only skillful thing that separated good locks from bad locks.

I'm a gladiator and I ganked people in greens all the time. I also ganked people in full heroic SoO gear. I ganked everyone. Don't paint all PvPers as scrubs who suck at the game out of bitterness.

Not my fault that blizzard's balance has become full retard.

Except that PvP was at its worst during Vanilla when it came to balance

As an example is Timeless isle where you'd have to get upgrades on items to get them to the last tier's ilvl.

>and retard you wouldnt get just same gear higher ilvl for doing harder bosses like you do now
I don't get what you're saying

>hururu i'm retarded and don't know what i'm talking about

At least I could fight back

After BC stat scaling became stupid, there was no way a fresh level 70 could even scratch a half geared 70, and that only got worse over time.

Not going to defend vanilla's BS like rogue stunlock (Which wasn't that OP if you fought rogues in a group as rogues were squishy as fuck)

But the fact that a group of level capped players have no chance in hell to even touch a remotely geared player solo is fucking stupid.

He's saying since stats were more varied, you'd have a lot of instances where gear that was lower ilvl from a previous tier would be BiS even though better ilvl gear existed. The quality of your gear was based on your stats rather than ilvl.

In vanilla doing harder content gave you access to new tier sets and fancy gear

now the easy content and the hard content is in the same raid with the same gear only seperated by ilvl.

ilvl that becomes obsolete in a patch or 2 if I may chime in.

Also vanilla had catch up gear, it was called ZG/AQ20

t. Casual PvPer who has no fucking idea what he's talking about

Did you even play Vanilla?

>One shotting fucking everywhere (especially Shaman's memefurying you)
>Those with best PvE gear were the best around
>Endless pushback on spellcasting (this was fixed late in Vanilla, I think)
>PvP in general being nothing but a big clusterfuck

Explain to me how the fuck was Vanilla PvP balanced?

>If they wanted to foster a good world PVP enviroment they should give us something to fight over and own

>towns or forts
For what? Gear is static. Mounts and achievs aren't interesting, and the former is developed content, if criticized as anything but hugely menu-filling.