If you focused all your vidya time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?

>If you focused all your vidya time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?

Based Ray

(Literal Who)

Who cares? I'd rather play videogames than write books, that's for sure.

I'm pretty good at playing guitar now, so I'd probably be the next Marty Friedman or something

I wonder if he said that before or after he contributed writing to a videogame and self inserted himself into it?

same as wasters who obsess over internet pursuits, music or tv/cinema media, videogames are not the sole way for a person to waste their life

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As if writing isn't another form of escapism.

I love his book though. RIP

not much better off than i am now. most of my time is conserved for "productive activity", though i often stray off that path, admittedly.
it makes video games way more worth it too. some people already have too little time though with shitty jobs. and he could say that for any leisure activity, there are obsessives in many areas. the thing is though these obsessives can make something out of their obsession in one way or another, it's rare to be so absorbed in something, so they should take advantage of it.
alright, what's everyone's favorite ray bradbury story? there's a lot of great ones...
the small assassin is one of my favorites. what was the one called about the hipsters who followed this really boring guy around and were in awe about how boring and "normal" he was?

>If you focused all your tv time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
>If you focused all your reading time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
>If you focused all your music time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
>If you focused all your sports time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
>If you focused all your sleeping time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
>If you focused all your eating time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?

He should've used his time to get in shape and get a better haircut.

Also, literally who?

He's not saying games are bad, just that spending all your time on them is bad. And you can't really argue with that.

>just that spending all your time on them is bad. And you can't really argue with that

Of course not. But it's a useless, inane statement to begin with.
You shouldn't spend all your time reading books either. Or smoking meth 24/7. Or eating only carrots. Or bashing your head against a wall.
See? Exact same message.

Underaged gtfo.

"Something wicked this way comes", the one about the carnival and the two kids, I actually read it after I discover it was one of the influences for Silent Hill. Richard Matheson and Ira Levin are also great reads for the genre.

But user, these are all great questions.

Sorry, I don't read garbage. Come back when you pick up a real book.

>what's everyone's favorite ray bradbury story?
"The Literally Who" is my favourite Ray Bradbury story.

if he were alive during the 1910s and saw all the shitty nickelodeons and tenpenny films out there, he'd say the exact same thing about film

yet film was given 40-50 years to get its craft up to snuff.

he died before video gays were granted that same leniency.

Actually games helped me put everything on perspective. I went from being a nobody to being -i think- the best player in an arena shooter that nobody plays.

It doesn't matter if i have no ability or natural skills, i'm gonna kick your ass on anything i want just because i can spend 2 or 3 times more time than you practicing and learning and analyzing stuff.

Fucking videogames man. They returned my will to live.

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>It's a view gaming in a negative way on a gaming board episode

No need to post a selfie, user.

Nobody cares about the opinions of foreigners on an American imageboard. Back to Krautchan.

Who?

As good as i am at videogames so pretty shit.

The funny thing is I was at one of his conferences and he kept on talking about how he spent his weeks as a child in a movie theater for about 8 to 10 hours every day. He loved films.

Do you need a tampon to cry on, faggot?

Everyone's good at guitar these days.

What's the point?

>Ill go ahead and write another novel

What a loser

No, I'll just laugh at uncultured retards trying to contribute to a conversation.

It's not like your pathetic country contributes to video games, either. That realm is primarily for Japan and USA.

Try not being a loser.

I guess when you're a child for only weeks, any entertainment will do.

I mean, he's not wrong.
I really wish I spent more of my time working.

As a relaxation though, games are great. A game (not even strictly vidya) is a great way to wind down and get your brain thinking in a different way about things.

It's interesting that he wasted his time making that statement. You could argue that he is wasting his time writing fiction I suppose. I don't think there is much point restating part of "everything in moderation".

Regardless I'm more curious when he said it.

another novel I won't read.

>If you focused all your vidya time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
I'd be really good at playing video games

I'm pretty good at rolling blunts too

>implying I play videogames
What I do is shitpost.

That said, I did try drawing and coding. Both make me very sad. I somehow have become to hate myself for even trying, and I ask myself what I even thought was going to happen from trying. It's confusing, you know? Because logically, I am completely useless. But I still remember all those times my parents and friends told me I was super talented. So there is a decision that is being struggled with.

Even if I try, I feel like some thing physical and concrete is missing, like crucial nerve endings fried due to too much sadness. If i had the courage to overcome that, I believe I'd have the courage to kill myself too. But I hope that I snap one day, going into a fugue, and aimlessly wander into a freeway muttering something about God and my mother.

true. hell, a lot of jobs are.

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Some of us aren't so lucky to have people pay for our art. Some of us gotta wage slave it to eat. But yeah, he's pretty much right.

>uncultured retards
>coming from an american
oh the irony.

>But I still remember all those times my parents and friends told me I was super talented
This is why you're supposed to reward your child for hard work instead of innate talent.

If you just keep telling your kid "you're very smart" they're going to stop trying.

>I ask myself what I even thought was going to happen from trying
what do you mean? what did you think was going to happen from trying?

As if yuros have culture anymore.
The entire continent has pretty much been turned into a disneyland parody that is slowly being taken over by migrants

I also play classical and a bit of flamenco, that's not as common I think

PROTIP: Video games are a competitor to books.

Hey man everyone is buying our blue jeans and listening to our pop music. Sorry third-world shitter, you lost.

If any time spent not toward developing yourself or working is a waste. Whats the meaning with modern life?

Back in the fucking dark ages you had to work all day to obtain food.
Food revolution, specialization now a thing => specialized occupations develop.

Modern age = trade your time for money = work. Balance work/money to obtain "free time" where you can pursue your own interest.
Interests and free time = what one struggle towards. Chilling = the goal in life/video games = life.

Not really. Novels are just as worthless as games. It isn't like he's actually doing anything.

Now if he was a fucking aerospace engineer talking about space jets? That'd be rad, and infinitely more valuable than another novelist.

define "meaningful"

A guy I worked with at my last job was a guitar teacher and plays classical shit and at my new job there's a guy who was in a wannabe Animals As Leaders band. I blame guitar hero.

not to mention speaking our language and hanging out on our imageboards

That's relative, but okay.

>tfw video games got me to start learning Japanese
>tfw reading Yotsuba in Japanese
So long as you don't give up on your goals Sup Forums, you'll make steady progress.

Good thing I chose to devote energy into writing as well.

It's not just that, I want to clarify that when people told me I was talented, I saw true awe being projected. I thought they were not only impressed, they were in the presence of a true genius. I thought to myself, me? A savant? Wowee!

But the thing is, it's much more comfortable to fancy that idea rather than go and try it. What would happen if I went and tried the thing again and failed! Ho lee shit! And what if I actually have some trouble doing the thing? Dear god.

Yeah, when you think you're a genius, the act of doing 'hard work' completely reduces you down. So yes, please don't tell your kids they're geniuses.

I thought I'd fall into an obsession, become a master, become well respected and overpaid, and throughout it all enjoy a sense of my life being put-together.

But in the act of doing the coding, art, whatever, there is a lot of grit to be chewed through. I didn't expect that.

If I had put as much time into games into studying, I'd be in a job good enough to pay for more video games!

Need to be pretty insecure to say something like that.

well different people are fulfilled by different activities and the amount of repetition of said activities.

I'm not even so sure if developing skills as a form of happiness is even a ubiquitous species typical behavior

>videogames are a waste of time
>I'm going to go write a novel, that's not a waste of time!

But meth and bashing your head off of a wall is so much fun

nevermind vidya, what if I focused all my internet time on something useful
imagine, all that time spent on imageboards used for something productive instead

I can relate, user.
But it's too soon for us to give up.

for some reason your story reminds me of GATTACA

Kill yourself

Dumb frogposter

I bet he didn't say the same thing to those who wasted their time away reading his fiction novels.

I also play fretless bass, but I don't have one currently
>inb4 everyone plays bass
No way

Not really. He's hoisting up his chosen occupation as more valuable even though it's just another form of idea consumption. There is no intrinsic value in his work, just that he's done it, and therefore in his own eyes that means it's more valuable than something he doesn't care about.

Step back and it's just a novel. There's nothing that makes it more important than a film, or an album, or videogames. They're objects of leisure.

He's not improving the human condition, discovering universal laws, or anything else that could be considered important due to how it alters our lives on a fundamental level.

>I'll go ahead and write another novel.

>If you focused all your sleeping time into creating or practicing some actually meaningful skill how talented would you be?
Imagine if we didn't have to sleep.

How much more we could do with our life, we would effectively extend our life span by a third.

>he thinks grades matter
Just keep plugging away, user. It's pretty much a lottery out there now whether you're qualified or not. And don't stress over a dream job. All jobs are work, and work is fucking work. Just find something you can tolerate day in and day out cuz it's more likely you'll have some co-workers who will annoy the shit out of you, and those you can't get away from sadly.

>STOP SPENDING ALL YOUR FREE TIME ON VIDEOGAMES
>look at me, I'm going to go do this thing that's a much better way to spend you free time, which I get paid for so it isn't actually my free time. Heh, why doesn't everyone else spend all their time writing novels? It would be way better than playing videogames.

I'm sure one of this guy's books are going to be a part of the common core curriculum for the 5th grade. Much like any Call of Duty game. Except the kids will actually hate his shit. Only thing they'll learn is how to avoid books as opposed to how how to noscope like a true Amerifat.

Did I insult everyone there or did I miss someone.

don't remind me

He's absolutely right, though the same could be said about most things

ive played up to 16 hours a day for 24 years
if i devoted all that time to worthwhile pursuits i could have the physique of a greek god, or the artistic skill to sculpt a 100% accurate depiction of one

He's not though, he's being a fat fuck who can't see from the POV of someone who doesn't have the skillsets and luck to be successful doing a job that's actually enjoyable like writing novels. He'd have a point if it was feasible for every human being to spend all their time writing novels but it's not, so there's literally no point to what he said. It's just him being a moron and making me want to avoid the rest of his books since he's clearly disconnected completely from the reality of everyday life.

I do my part.

all niggers must hang, legalize rape, guns are murder machines, your favourite band is shit and your god is dead

Not that guy, but:

First off, he is not talking about reading books (the counterpart to playing video games), he is talking about writing them. So you'd have a point if he was talking about writing video games. But he isn't - I think.

Second, yes he is improving the human condition. Everything we do - I mean building roads, flying to the moon, inventing antibiotics and growing crops - is meaningful only because it allows us to do other things. Antibiotics for example, is meaningful because they let you live a longer, easier life. But that in turn is only meaningful if you actually do something with that life. Art, such as books (and video games) is different - there the meaning is in the art itself. You read a book to read the fucking book, you play a game to play the game. And if you follow the logic here, that also means that antibiotics was invented to let people have more time in their lives to read books and play games.

In my opinion, everyone should have some sort of productive hobby, it shouldn't consume 100% of their free time though

I just wish I didn't wait so long before I started trying to draw

He's saying that people who are addicted to videogames and play them full time (which is 8 hours a day every day) should spend more of that time applying themselves to a constructive hobby for self-betterment. I see no problem with this, and every adult would say the same thing.

>every writer ever was born great
this is retarded, you are retarded stop getting so emotionally defensive over your toys
he could have said the same for literally anything but he said it of video games because it suited the context

>I see no problem with this
You see no problem with other people telling you what to do?

>there is a lot of grit to be chewed through. I didn't expect that.
there's always grit, that's the thing that makes it worth it. learn to enjoy it. if you get into a certain mindset, all the challenges and obstacles become new realms to explore and triumph over. experimentation, trial and error, studying, all that becomes fascinating when you can get into that mindset. when you actually feel that, then obsession takes over, and at least temporarily, learning is a breeze. though it's just not something that happens instantly or even consistently. it's all habitual though. get into a habit of doing art or code every day. not only doing rote exercises, but exploring and experimenting. if you cultivate a habit, then it won't be something you need to be motivated to do, it'll simply be something that you do every day. then you'll get better.

... and on the grand scale of things, noone gives a shit.

Time I enjoy spending is not wasted time

mate are you ten?
most people get over that angsty rebellious nonsense by the time they turn 20

That depends mostly on an individual's potential.

Some of us have nothing to offer, so even we never touched a single video game our entire lives, we'd still be losers.

you mean the imageboards you copied from japan? where you spend all day talking about anime, waifus and japanese games?

>Some of us have been conditioned through negative experience to think we have nothing to offer
ftfy

Fahrenheit 451 is a piece of trash 1984 ripoff (Which is also trash, people only quote it for Big Brother), books is just some faghole crying about how books are being burned.
kys Bradbury

>most people get over that angsty rebellious nonsense by the time they turn 20
No they don't. They just move out and stop rebelling because they don't have anyone to rebel against

Here's an example: Go to a random guy's house, walk in and demand that he gives you a sandwich and a glass of lemonade. See what happens. See if he complies or if he is a "rebel"

It's a logical Fallacy. You can change video games into anything else and soon realize that the argument is flawed.

It's the sentence used by someone who does not see anything useful in a subject because he's simply ignorant of others. It's what SJWers do and far right extremists do and the worst people in existence have done.

No, some people are just not intellectually capable of anything significant.

oh ok

Who the fuck plays videogames full time? You'd have to work or be disabled to support that so he's just making fun of disabled people if that's the case.
You have to have a certain amount of talent and a lot of luck to get published. You basically have to spend all your time writing and sending your writing to every publisher you can just for a very, very slight chance at getting your work published (and then it might not be successful even if it's of a good level of quality just because of market trends or other factors out of your control), meaning you have to have some way to support yourself while still having large amounts of free time to write, which most people don't have. Most people need to spend the majority of their time working to support themselves, and don't have the luxury or luck to get into writing professionally.
>he could have said the same for literally anything
He would be just as wrong for saying it about literally anything. I could say the same about writing novels.
>You can starve yourself so that you can spend 20 years writing until you run out of ideas and never getting published. I'll just enjoy some videogames.
If what he says is true, then that means reading novels is also a waste of time. In which case, writing them would also be a waste of time. So basically, his statement would have to be amended to:
>Video games are a waste of time for men with nothing else to do. Real brains don't do that. On occasion? Sure. As relaxtion? Great. But not full time - and a lot of people are doing that. And while they're doing that, I'll go ahead and waste my time too.

I would probably be a virtuoso guitar or piano player by now.
And then instead of being unemployed and playing videogames all day all would be unemployed and playing guitar all day.