Are slot machines an videogame?

Arguing with a friend over it

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No, it's not an videogame
It is however, a videogame

Kinda.

Yes.

They're just games designed for stealing your money.

I meant physical slot machines

Yes.

Gameplay sucks but it counts.

Slots are only cool if you are drunk and have fifty dollars to waste. The pretty colors are nice.

Not in my opinion. Gambling isn't really a game at all, it's just a rigged money sink designed to trap and prey on people with addictive personalities.

>tfw you were born too late to experience actual slot machines with levers and real slots.

Yes, they're just abhorrent.

I went to new orleans last year and gambled for the first time legally. Those slot machines in the OP pic confuse the shit out of me.

It's only rigged in the sense that the machines are designed to take in more cash than they pay out.
Really though, what's the difference between them and a MMO or FPS with a cash shop? At least you can win actual cash and not a bunch of pixels.

They're games but they're not video games.

Go move the goalposts at your friend.

Deceptive business practices.

What's so deceptive about slot machines?
They hardly get advertised as free money.

Depends on the machine.

Any game with a lose state is a video game.

Games with no lose state are typically just art projects

He already gave you a fucking reason.

Have you ever been to a casino? They still have those. Only dumb (for a slot player) people play them because the payouts are even worse than electronic 50,000 line machines.

Really? I'm not seeing one.
Cool your jets, hotshot.

>Any game with a lose state is a video game.
Any game with a lose state is a game, not necessarily a video game

They're games of luck played on a video display (for modern machines, at least.) Yeah, they're vidya.

Or your time.

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>At the time of this writing (2011), no one has the and no one will have it for a long time to come; mathematically speaking (based on the maximum slot spins possible in an hour) it would take 10+ YEARS of running Evangelion Pachinko 24/7 to earn all the trophies. For further perspective, the odds of a $200,000 winning ticket in Powerball, or a $250,000 winning ticket in Mega Millions, are both higher than the odds of ブランク図柄集合 .

There's no skill involved in a slot machine, so it's a lot like modern AAA titles and Hearthstone

I hope you feel smart for saying that, because a videogame simulating a slot machine is hardly a slot machine is it?

If you don't control what is displayed on the video display then it isn't a video game.
Which as far as I'm aware, slot machines don't.

>There's no skill involved in a slot machine

You adjust how much money you're betting with each spin and hit the button when ready. Bare minimum of interactivity but it's there.

I just glanced at it and assumed he was showing electronic slots, not one of those '15 machine' slots computer games. But on that same note, a lot of those box sets use actual electronics slots games you can find in casinos, so if one's a video game, I don't see how the other couldn't be since they play identically.

i genuinely hope you're not implying otherwise

I didn't realize you posted here, Grandma.

There is skill involved in slot machines, someone that has no idea when to hold and such is going to lose far more than someone who doesn't, for instance.
It is majority luck yes, but to imply there is ZERO skill is false.

Yes, they are as much of a game as this.

konami makes em

and so do other japanese "game" companies (pachinko)

we're not talking about video poker/blackjack, we're talking slot machines.

going to the casino next week what should i expect?

>when to hold

I've never seen a mechanic like this on a machine, and I don't know how common it is. That said, even with casino games like video poker where there is some 'skill' involved (even if it can be mastered by a simple flowchart), the odds are set so they're still in the house's favor even when you play ideally, and if you don't, all the better for them.

>boardgames are video games

I think he's talking about fruit machines. Either way, regardless of skill, all players lose money on slots

To lose money and realize that casinos aren't full of glamorous James Bond types they're full of degenerate chinese throwing the last of their inheritance down the drain

>go to Vegas 2 weeks ago
>playing slots n shit in the casino
>realize just how many slow machines look like they're supposed to appeal to children
What is the purpose if it's illegal for children to gamble?
On a side note, made a $150 profit gambling.

>I think he's talking about fruit machines. Either way, regardless of skill, all players lose money on slots
Hmm, slot games like those seem to be very popular on mobile, and IAPs are already pretty much gambling like with buying more chances/plays/etc...

If you have the money, it's fun as fuck, even if you lose your money. Feels good not being a poorfag.

Asians? Most of the people I see are geriatrics who have nothing better to do with their pensions while they wait around to die.

Slots are like that sure. The tables are full to the brim with dudebros using daddy's money and actual rich people.

Have you been in an arcade recently? They don't have games in them anymore, it's all claw games and stacker.

Yes fruit machines, which are basically slot machines.

Not all players lose money on slots, the key to not losing to gambling is to set a small budget and not spend past your winnings. When your winnings dry up, stop playing and move on.
Most people are going to lose money in total if you count their entire life but plenty have been able to keep ahead.

Baccarat room for asians.

Ah so what you're saying is the jews are basically training children to waste their money gambling at a young age, so that they'll be used to wasting their money with actual gambling?

They are now.

That strategy doesn't work to make a profit. A good chunk of the time, you will never break past even and will bust out on whatever you put in, and even when you win, if you intend to leave as soon as your winnings dry up then the most likely outcome is that you will leave that day with as much money as you put in. This is a reasonable technique to not get carried away gambling, but the value proposition on every pull of the lever is always negative, no matter how you swish around your coin cup.

No
But pachinko is

Yes, technically.
I wouldn't count them as such, however. They don't meet my bare minimum level of player skill tied to success.

Intermittent reinforcement.
It fuels the gaming and gambling market.

>if you intend to leave as soon as your winnings dry up
No, leave when you win good.
But also leave when it starts drying up so you don't go down that hole.

>people don't know about machine hopping

you jelly?
>plenty have been able to keep ahead.
Bull fucking shit, if you gamble for a non-trivial amount of time, you will lose money except for exceptionally rare cases.

This is why gambling should be done as a fun night out with some pals where you lose $50 playing a card game.
If you actually go to a casino to make money, you are doing it very wrong.

Even if you did start getting into a win streak, casinos can (and will) throw you out if you win too much.

They don't exist for people to win money. That's not the point, at all.


At least you still get the experience of a fun (hopefully) night. With the Lottery you are literally throwing away money for no gain.

Literally this.
I learned to do this by being in a casino for 10 minutes. Put in 5 to 10 bucks, if you don't win shit, move to the next machine. Made $100 within 30 minutes doing this.

It doesn't matter. Unless you win so good that you never feel the need to go back to a casino, you're always losing in the long run. Actual gambling addicts will remember the night they won $500 but disregard the seven visits in a row where they lost $100 doing basically what you're describing.

So how's it going for you?

Presumably on $200hr with this fool proof system you're making at least $3k/day and only leave the casino to sleep?

The point is, you leave when you're ahead. You don't stick around to gamble all the money you just earned. Made $200 total for that day. Keep being a shitter though.

Got any more pics? Genuinely curious. Also how old is that thing?

You'll get kicked out if you do it routinely

So you didn't leave after you made $100?

I don't think you've thought this strategy through user

Really, because I thought the point you were trying to make is that hopping between machines is a way to beat the house edge. Sup Forums does keep telling me to learn how to read though.

I can guarantee you that any casino will let you play slot machines for as long as you want.

Not sure how old it is, just old as fuck
What do you want to see in particular?

Not if they notice you're machine hopping all the time

you can't game slot machines the same way you can card games that have interaction between people. casinos aren't gonna do shit if you go from machine to machine or run one up.

Has it been refitted to accept quarters?

Again, you can hop around machines as much as you want. Do you understand how a house edge works?

Nope (look at the prize bins), I did fix it up though. The jackpot release wasn't working and there was a jam in the prize dispenser and it works almost perfectly now. Occasionally you need to jiggle the handle a bit to get the coin to accept.

I left the casino after making $100. Went to another.
Yes and that it's better to quit while you're ahead. What dont you get about my post?

Proof of one of my cashouts.

>you can't game slot machines the same way you can card games that have interaction between people
except they tend to give out money after a certain number of times, so technically, you can.

I work at a Casino, that's not really the case, one of our machines that paid out all the time was one of the oldest we had.

Honestly I would be interested to see the mechanisms on the inside since these slots were intricate as shit back in the day, none of the computer chips and wires that you have now.

With that said I think it would be a complete bitch to pry it open anyways and I wouldn't want you to break anything or more then it already is. Still a cool piece though thanks for sharing.

You're making at least one of two incorrect assumptions if you think machine hopping makes a difference

1. The machines affect one another
2. Machines have hot and cold streaks

Casinos are well aware that both of these are completely false, but they're more than happy to let you play into whatever superstition keeps you putting money into their machines.

naw, actually super easy to get in to

You've made two statements.

A. Machine hopping gives you the edge over the casino
B. You should quit while you're ahead before you lose your winnings

Do you not see the contradiction?

anyone got any gambling stories?

The only thing that's technically true about it is that if you play low on a lot of machines, you might have a MARGINALLY better chance rather than sitting on only one machine.

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What I'm trying to say is machine hop till you make a decent amount, then leave. IF you lose the money you came in with, then don't keep going and LEAVE. My statement isn't really a contradiction if you comprehend what I'm saying.

don't know why that was rotated but whatever

Do jews historically have any sort of connection with gambling?
Serious question, no Sup Forums bait answers please

Its more like a Mini-game for real life.
I guess it counts.

That looks neat. Old school stuff like this has a certain charm to it that I am a sucker for. Thanks user

Absolutely.

As a matter of fact, the MGS3 remake is being done on the pachinko platform

But why would you leave when you have the edge? According to machine hopping logic, you will always be winning in the long run, and if your anecdotes are anything to go by, the returns are fairly immediate. Quitting while your ahead is for people who are expecting to lose if they continue.

What he's saying is machine hop has no outcome on your chance of winning.

It's just something that makes you feel more comfortable gambling on slots.

Casinos are full of things that are designed to give gamblers the impression that they have an edge or that their system works.

Oh, apparently it's pre 1944. That's all I got for the age. It's not as busted up as it looks. Replacing the glass would be trivial, but I wanted to keep everything original.

These are the stats on it. I haven't gotten a jackpot since I started keeping track, but I doubt it would affect much. A jackpot is about $3 iirc.

Have you ever been to a fucking casino? You must always expect to lose at a casino. Nothing you do will guarantee that you'll win in the long run. You're always on the losing side no matter what.

Because continuing when you've exhausted the output for the meantime is literally throwing your money away.

Except it does, it is mathematics.

If the game has any skill involved, it is literally not a slot machine anymore

I'm accepting a premise I disagree with for the sake of argument.

When I go to a casino, I make minimum bets on video poker. I average about -$5 an hour doing this, which I more than make up for with complimentary drinks and underpriced food.

>mgs3 remake
>in pachinko form
What the FUCK Konami