>The fundamental premise is to envision history as a sequence of "dialectical" conflicts. Each dialectic begins with a proposition, a thesis.. >...which inherently contains, or creates, its opposite - an antithesis. Thesis and antithesis. The conflict is inevitable. >But the resolution of the conflict yields something new - a synthesis - eliminating the flaws in each, leaving behind common elements and ideas.
>Exploran' REPCONN test site >Shootan' FIlthy ghouls and Nightkin >Listenin' too Mysterious Broadcast >Doin' Creeping on qt FemGhouls
Jackson Smith
Don't do anything lewd to those FemGhouls, Courier-san.
Jeremiah Lee
>>Exploran' just completed OWB, so I'm wandering around at this point >>Shootan' mostly legion hit squads >>Listenin' to Conrad radio youtube.com/watch?v=AB-oJLq5rWo >>Doin' trying to fuck the legion as badly as I can
Alexander Davis
I'm currently replaying the entire base game for the first time in a while, so my setup is mostly vanilla. I'll be going to loverslab for my next playthrough
Owen Smith
>legion is forever doomed to be wasteland isis instead of the legitimate faction it was supposed to be
Camden Flores
>being an NCR cuck
Colton Howard
I've always appreciated how they weaved the DLC into the main narrative, overall creating something arguably even more important than the Mojave conflict. I wish Bethesda would do that with their DLC instead of making them little sandbox pockets of irrelevance.
Kayden Mitchell
>tfw no New Vegas director's cut in FO4's engine
Tyler Clark
Joshua was a bad person
Lincoln Hill
>open world is shit >factions are shit >buggy as shit >requires 200 mods to be playable and even then its still boring as fuck open world
Cooper Wood
It's great, especially when you go back through the base game again and find more meaning in certain lines of dialogue, like Johnson Nash talking about Ulysses.
Jaxson Stewart
His god believes in redemption He's a good person now.
I think you're looking for the F4 thread, buddy
Carter Roberts
Not really. Theoretically speaking, Obsidian could always pull a quick one on people and skip the series ahead a couple of years to change the Legion's lore.
For example, claiming that Caesar had an illegitimate/legitimate child who eventually gets the Legion to rally behind him after he dies, mimicking Augustus Caesar in the same way Caesar mimicks Julius Caesar. Then just have the Nu-Legion herald all of the aspects of the Legion that never made it into New Vegas due to time restraints.
Besides, they aren't really Wasteland Isis. The game gave you enough of philosophy/outlook dump from Caesar to more than justify them.
>he thinks the factions are shit I bet you don't even understand the socio-political and philsophical commentary that the game is making.
David Johnson
Legion was never supposed to be "grey", Sawyer was inspired by people like Charles Taylor. So "wasteland ISIS" is an apt description.
Carter Martin
>Was I agree
Lincoln Lewis
I need me some radio mods.
Jayden Rodriguez
All I want in life is New Vegas in a different engine with legion having an entire city
Wyatt Evans
But they WERE supposed to have more than like 3 quests to them and have more presence in the world. From a gameplay perspective, Legion hating you does pretty much nothing, you just can't go near their outposts without being shot at. If NCR hates you, half of the NPCs at the game will shoot on sight.
Xavier Powell
>But they WERE supposed to have more than like 3 quests to them and have more presence in the world. That is true, yes, but my point stands.
Yeah. There was supposed to be a whole new space within the world map the distance of about Jacobstown to Primm that was to be dedicated to the Legion. Ergo, pissing them off would effectively limit how you could interract with that area.
Legion the stronkest and bestest.
Evan Thompson
Except it's noted throughout the game in many places that life in Legion territories is quite peaceful, there aren't slaves and people aren't murdered for no reason. Raiders know not to fuck with anyone tied to the Legion. They're only brutal during wartime.
But of course, we never got to see any of that in-game.
John King
>Not modding the radio yourself to only have Johnny guitar
Jacob Edwards
>the distance of about Jacobstown to Primm So like half the fucking map? Did Obsidian actually think they were going to get all that shit done on top of what we did get, in only 18 months?
Cameron Scott
Mojave encounters them during wartime, yes. Think it's much of a consolation to a town they raiding?
James Adams
From memory they were supposed to have double that in development time but Bethesda literally cut it in half.
Dylan Brooks
Try not being a whoring profligate :^) Does anyone actually pity the powder gangers?
Brody Clark
>Besides, they aren't really Wasteland Isis. The game gave you enough of philosophy/outlook dump from Caesar to more than justify them.
Yes they did. Doesn't change the fact that what we see is nothing but a raping warband. It makes Caesar's ramblings on the nature of history seem so out of touch, considering his army is made up of a bunch of woman-hating savages who put all of their women in literal chains.
The Legion would have been so much better had we seen a few free women defending the patriarchical society, or slaves working on public works such as acquaducts. Or you know, maybe not have every faction that joins the Legion have all their old and women wiped out or turned into semen receptacles (except for the cannibals for some reason.)
Caesar just looks like a complete retard when he rambles about establishing an empire when we're shown no possible basis for such an empire.
Same thing with the Independent ending, which apparently means letting the wasteland devolve into anarchy. I have an entire army of upgraded war robots, the Mojave becoming a free for all wasn't really what I was aiming for.
Nicholas Rodriguez
I've tried CONELRAD, and while I enjoy it a lot, the DJ is just... super annoying. Same reason I hate that fucking Wave Radio thing.
Perhaps someone has that old mod that adds, like 85 songs to the Mojave Music Radio station, to make it 100 songs? I remember it distinctly, it added a lot more variety, but sadly the nexus took it down... I think that guy went on to create the 'make your own station' mod. I was just wondering if anyone had that old mod still with them, and was willing to send it over Mega or something.
Asher Torres
>they were supposed to have double that in development time And launch the same time as Skyrim? What the fuck were they smoking?
You could download conelrad and add its songs to RACE, if that's what you want.
Jason Torres
>find Boxcars left alive after his brutal beating in Nipton >grab my machete, cut him up a bunch >beat the shit out of him with my fists, he's on nearly zero health and practically dead >power punch that profligate fuck right in the face
Damn it feels good to be Legion.
Gabriel Jackson
That's unfair, though. He won the second place. Should've let him live. Legion is brutal, but fair in their own way.
James Brooks
few weeks ago I downloaded a bunch of t6m armor mods but I dumped them all in a single fomod and forgot to check which ones I downloaded and where do they show up ingame. Now I end up running into some places where I find stashes of steampunk bikinis
Isaiah Sullivan
Skyrim was actually supposed to launch in 2012. Why do you think it felt so rushed, incomplete and outright shit?
Why would they have slaves working on acquaducts, etc? They're in the middle of a war. The Legion is outright stated as having everyone in their protected territories as free, with clean water, fresh food, plenty of agriculture, and a safe place to call home. They're allowed to start their own business' for god's sake. The reason they rape/pillage everything is because they're always on the move. They enslave and insemenate all of the women on their journey and then collect the kids to raise 9 months later. I really doubt any woman is going to defend the patriarchial nature of the Legion.
Also, most Legion members aren't savages anymore. Each one of them is at least educated in English and basic Latin.
Levi Peterson
What's the easiest way to decapitate and collect every NPC's head? Is there any mods that do that? Wanna do a genocidal serial killer run
Brody Baker
>legion themselves left him alive >proceed to kill him >feels good to be legion
what kind of autistic shit is this
Anthony Rodriguez
Decided to take a 1-2 year break from my new vegas playtrough. I would kill a man to play this game again for the first time.
David Robinson
>true to Kaiser >lusius not lukius
James Moore
I have over 800 hours in New Vegas
I need you guys to recommend me some really obscure but great mods you'd recommend... nothing like Bounties, stuff that everyone obviously has tried before. I haven't played in such a long time, and I'd like some freshness to enjoy my favorite game again.
Nathan Flores
I'm thinking of replaying this again, can you guys list your top 5 mods
Aiden Wood
>never played modded, try getting into it recently >some of the tools/programs required for installing recommended mods are no longer hosted >can't just drag and drop files and folders into place like a fucking normal game because reasons
>Why do you think it felt so rushed, incomplete and outright shit? Because it was made by Bethesda? F4 had 4 years after Skyrim and was still shit.
Dylan Peterson
Impossible, you can't grab things and take them between cells.
Andrew Hughes
I feel bad about killing Geckos especially when I crit cripple their heads and they screech in pain while they stop for a moment to hold their their head.
Jeremiah Ward
Tried DUST? It's a bit of a mess, but still a lot of fun. You'll need to dedicate a save to it, it's essentially its own game.
Blake White
I feel bad about killing bighorners The adults rush you if you get near them, but the babies will often just run and hide behind rocks.
Cooper Richardson
I felt bad. Then I met fire geckos. Then I met Zion geckos. Kill them all, Jesus, kill them all.
Connor Lee
You don't need to kill Bighorners...
Sebastian Walker
I do if I want to stay alive with mods that increase my hunger rate
Evan Gutierrez
>So I had my roommate play honest hearts yesterday, and watching the scenes with Joshua Graham made me think: was heart of darkness at all an influence in honest hearts?
A bit, but Joshua Graham is not quite as unhinged as Kurtz. Graham doesn’t share Kurtz’s loathing of humanity and doesn’t demand the tribes’ worship (of him).
>Considering all of Caesar's talk of hegelian dialectics and the Legion serving as an antithesis to the NCR's thesis, finding the Roman legion to be a societal structure equivalent to the trials of a post-apocalyptic world that isn't ready for (and hasn't earned) a democratic political structure, and Ulysses saying the Bear will collapse as soon as it reaches the sea: was the Legion meant to fail?
Meant by whom? The genesis of Caesar’s Legion was Edward Sallow’s desperation. The idea of transforming the Legion through the conquest of NCR was something that came much later. Most of the Legion’s early development was organic and ad hoc. The structure the Courier sees in F:NV took many years to develop, as did Caesar’s plans. Edward Sallow did not create the Legion as something intended to eventually fail, but as a means of (initially) extracting himself from a difficult situation.
John Baker
What? Doesn't the game treat all heads as objects? Or am i thinking about the Houses's and Caesar's head achievement thingy?
Nathaniel Evans
Guys, what the fuck is wrong with my New Vegas, I have over 300 hours played, all my previous playthroughs have been problem free, 60fps unfaltering, but for some reason this time around I'll get microstutters when I shoot, like the game will freeze for like half a second, if im using a full auto it'll basically lockup till I've stopped firing.
I have stutter remover and the only mods I have are the basic CFWNV, Bounties, Project Nevada, JSawyer, FCO etc. Im launching with 4GBNV.
Evan Collins
>Thanks for the response, Josh. To clarify, my question about the Legion being "meant" to fail was specifically in regards to the state of Caesar and the Legion that we see at the time of the game. Was Sallow still shooting from the hip or had he developed a grand, long-term vision of synthesis with NCR that extended beyond the demise of the Legion? He didn't seem to take his own rules very seriously-- he keeps an Auto-Doc in his tent despite his own ban on advanced medicine and technology.
What he tells the Courier in F:NV suggests that he did have a long-term vision that involved the Legion acting as the military arm of the NCR, without the R, i.e. as an empire. He sees Tandi as the most effective NCR leader in large part because she was so powerful and stayed in power for so long.
Caesar absolutely has different standards for himself than for the Legion. This is pretty common for strict and powerful leaders. Even when he was young, Edward Sallow considered himself above/apart from the other Followers of the Apocalypse. The rules apply to everyone else, only to him when it’s suitable.
?Why did Joshua Graham stick around for as long as he did? Were he and Caesar friends or was it just a power trip kind of thing?
He covers this in Honest Hearts, but the short version is that he started out trying to help the tribes. In trying to help, he became involved in morally difficult situations where there was no good solution. Over time, he became progressively more brutal and monstrous. By the time he realized how terrible he had become, he didn’t see a way out.
One of the inspirations for Joshua Graham was T.E. Lawrence and the film Lawrence of Arabia. Of note, the LoA scene where Lawrence has to act as an executioner to satisfy the demands of two tribes.
Yes, you are. You can't pick regular body parts off the ground.
Michael Stewart
Try: disabling 4gb (just to test) NVAC borderless fullscreen mods fuck around with GPU driver settings pray
If all else fails, try a re-install, or start a new character and see if it still happens.
Jack Reyes
Sorry, I meant during the credits scene we'd see Caesar establish his empire in the Mojave. It'd be cool to see Caesar use his central power and slaves to build for example a giant stone aquaduct going from the lake to New Vegas, providing water for massive croplands without depending on fragile pre-war pipelines.
>I really doubt any woman is going to defend the patriarchial nature of the Legion.
Not as it's shown, no. If women in the Legion were anything but a collection of literal slaves getting raped daily and funnily enough, doing hard manual labour though, it'd be easy to have women be in favour of it. After all, in a patriarchical society, the women would be safe at home taking care of the children. Not that hard to choose that over getting raped by Fiends like NCR women.
Aaron Long
Google "FNV Secret Stash mod"
Alexander Carter
>Exploran The Big Empty >Shootan Dis bitch >Listenin Nothing >Doin Smashing robits
Caleb Ortiz
Yeah, exactly what said. Dust can be considered an expansion of its own if you're not an autist with a headcanon on how the Mojave will be in 20 years after the events of the game.
Parker Rodriguez
Laser RCW all day, err'day.
Thomas Cox
This is a cop–out he write in 2015 after they already fucked up the development of the Legion. In 2010 he was talking differently about the Legion:
He's not backing up. It's not black and white, it's light grey vs. dark grey/black. There's 3 grey factions, ffs.
David Perez
>tfw playing JSawyer to make the game harder but also have Perk Every Level mod
Carter King
Okay, but the Legion is full dark in the final game, not "dark grey".
>b-but development time
If they really wanted it, they could have shown the Legion in a more positive light in a DLC. Instead they are shown to be even more evil with HH. There is nothing grey about the Legion outside of non-canon cut content. So in the end they are not that interesting.
Hudson Smith
How can anyone support the NCR? They're so fucking boring.
>Le generic american military
Jeremiah Ortiz
>but the Legion is full dark in the final game Not really. >There is nothing grey about the Legion outside of non-canon cut content A lot of characters talk about their mainland being safe. >So in the end they are not that interesting. They interesting because they're a very realistic and tangible kind of evil. Once you talk with Caesar, it's relatively easy to understand how a young, ambitious and educated man stuck in a petty tribal conflict would want to use all he knew to elevate himself, how the Legion as a structure subjugates new members and forces them into being an overwhelmingly evil force for most of the people they roll over in their conquest. >How can anyone support the NCR? Maybe they played the original games.
Gabriel Collins
I think the DLCs were already planned as new vegas was launched and if they decided to make a legion area it couldnt affect the vanilla game anyway. Plus some of the DLCs were incredibly rushed, honest hearts being the most rushed one.
Hunter Ramirez
Nigga the game's pretty easy no matter what you do
Gabriel King
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Jackson Wood
>Implying tribal scum can amount to anything in the wastes They'll end up just like those White Legs. Beaten to death by someone better than them.
Blake Gray
Except the Legion own everything East of the river
Joseph Taylor
>A lot of characters talk about their mainland being safe.
Not quite true. They are saying it, but it's not true. They could've made it so the NCR is clearly out of its depth and lacks the means to hold control (they don't, the only reason they're stretched is the Legion), while the Legion is brutal, hard-handed, but fair, can be trusted and dealt with (they can't be, they constantly betray and slaughter even their own allies, such as the Tangled Hairs), and offer much more stability. And this is obviously where they wanted to go, with hints at trade route security, but it's never fleshed out.
>They interesting because they're a very realistic and tangible kind of evil. Once you talk with Caesar, it's relatively easy to understand how a young, ambitious and educated man stuck in a petty tribal conflict would want to use all he knew to elevate himself, how the Legion as a structure subjugates new members and forces them into being an overwhelmingly evil force for most of the people they roll over in their conquest.
This is true and I agree, they are good villains and it's fun to join if you just want to kill stuff like in Bethesda style game. But i'm talking about it from a gameplay perspective. If you join them you get nothing ( no companion, no quests, no new gear), you only lose 80% of the game content.
With Sawyer being so autistic with game balance in Pillars of Eternity, it's funny how unbalanced are the factions in New Vegas.
Bentley Scott
I dont think more perks make the game much easier anyway. By the end of the game you have more than enough to get every good perk youll need.
Eli Rogers
Right, with the Midwest Brotherhood of Steel next door. How can Legion even compete?
Jason Cook
And they've got the Midwestern Brotherhood breathing down their necks, ready to kick their faces in and make a proper nation out of them.
Brayden Butler
M8 they couldn't even hold Helios One, a building that controls a fucking orbital deathstrike.
Lincoln Young
>midwest BoS >vegas BoS pretty different desu
Nicholas Ward
Pretty sure NCR has other problems than the legion. The elite rangers are all fighting somewhere else for example. Cant remember what they were fighting though. Also theres nothing stopping the courier from playing a legion spy. In fact half the legion quests expect you to act like a sabateur. Its pretty easy to be friendly to both NCR and legion until the final battle starts.
Daniel Cruz
You might as well talk about the synths now, you dummy. Vegas BoS was pretty much dead by the time you got to them.
William Roberts
>They are saying it, but it's not true Uhh. >they constantly betray and slaughter even their own allies, such as the Tangled Hairs Twisted Hairs were tribals. The whole point of Legion is forcibly erasing tribal identity. The Legion would either betray them or its own purpose. >gameplay perspective Yes, they lack content, I never argued against that. >With Sawyer being so autistic with game balance in Pillars of Eternity, it's funny how unbalanced are the factions in New Vegas. That's a really silly comparison. It was pretty obvious that most people would not choose Legion on their first or even second playthrough, so Legion content had the lowest priority. If Legion had more quest, NCR would have to have less, but I doubt more than 10% of people would play with Legion anyway. In PoE, I assume people's class preferences were split roughly even-ish. Factions-wise, PoE is much simpler, obviously.
>How can Legion even compete? By being featured in a hard canon game.
Samuel Martinez
What is with all the New Vegas threads lately?
Not that I'm complaining, VN is amazing, just seems like we had almost no threads about it but now in the last week or so there have been daily NV threads. Did something happen related to it or something?
Jaxson Robinson
Probably people coming back after F4 was confirmed to be shit, coupled with the fact that /fog/ is nothing but F4 waifu circlejerking.
Noah Martin
Some threads popped up and people started playing the game again I guess, which led to even more threads about it being made.
John Clark
I have a theory that it only takes one NV thread to get a lot of people on Sup Forums to play it again, generating more threads until you reach critical mass and it goes away for a while, only for the cycle to start anew.
Aaron Martin
>lately NV has had constant threads for a while now.
Jose Myers
Same with Bloodlines.
Nolan Bennett
>tfw my favorite DLC was Honest Hearts
Granted all DLC were pretty disappointing and left something to be desired.
Old World Blues came close to being great but the actual map is pretty shit and uninteresting. Dead Money and Lonesome Road were far to linear to be especially fun.
They should have made DLC that expands the base game rather than just slapping some content on the side that you visit once and forget about.
Jaxson Young
I was recently gifted F4, and it was so terrible I jumped straight back to NV.
Can't wait for a mod that disables the shitty protag's shitty VA.
Luke Perez
Fair enough.
Felt a bit strange since I started playing it a few weeks ago and then suddenly I started seeing NV threads everywhere. Happy coincidence I guess.
I suppose that's a good theory.
Sure it pops up every once in a while, but nothing like we've seen lately is what I'm getting at.
>tfw couldn't play neither of my customary smooth Latin gunslinger and German scientist because you can only sound like a generic middle aged dad
Nathan Barnes
yeah the voice acting ruins the entire fucking game
still don't know what the fuck they were thinking
Josiah Myers
Just reisntalled for my millionth playthrough.
I went with the Legion last playthrough, I'm thinking NCR this time. Should I be rooty tooty point and shooty or go with a different playstyle?
Luke Young
Also. >Joshua Graham has the sexiest armor in the game >feel like I'm cosplaying while wearing it
Man.
Noah Wright
I can't bring myself to finish F4, It's just so bland. I tried my best to give it a chance but eventually just dropped it and went back to NV for my cowboy action.
Adam Turner
>>Exploran' Mojave >>Shootan' This Machine@Fiends/Families >>Listenin' too Stars of the Midnight Range >>Doin' Coyote tobacco chew
I wanna go back ;_;
Gavin Edwards
Can someone post a character roulette pic? wanna play through this again but don't wanna end up doing the same shit as always
Owen Stewart
What's a good Courier name that fits in thematically with the game?
Daniel Reed
Honest Hearts is pretty fucking good story-wise, but I found it kinda lacking gameplay-wise.
OWB is great the first time you play it and a massive bore after.
I didn't mind Lonesome Road as much as many people here did, but that's probably because they gave me a lot of explosives in it.
And Dead Money is probably my favorite. I hated it the first time but it grew on me a lot afterwards. Especially on the way you can handle all the characters to get them to do what you need them to do.
