There are people on Sup Forums who think McCree is most in need of a nerf when Widowmaker and Hanzo hitboxes are as big...

>There are people on Sup Forums who think McCree is most in need of a nerf when Widowmaker and Hanzo hitboxes are as big as they are
This ez-modo sniping nonsense needs to be addressed.

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that's just the shit tick-rate you mong

hanzo main detected

McCree DOES need a nerf.

So does Widow though. Has nothing to do with hitboxes but with her firerate letting her wipe entire teams in a couple seconds.

>playing with retards

That motherfucker is just too good.

>shot hits their outline or slightly more in
>nothing registers
MEANWHILE ON THE OTHER TEAM
>just spamming shots, getting hits and one shots left and right when most of them don't even hit your character

What the absolute fuck.

Ever watch comp play, senpai?

no i prefer to play my games instead of watch them

>probably thinks Mei is overpowered.

Hanzo needs to do no danage unless its pulled back fully. Hes a fucking huntsman sniper. Widow just needs recoil or to unscope after every shot fired.

>D.Va gets a buff

Mcree just needs a cooldown on his fan, then he's perfect.

Widow's hitscan funtime is fucking stupid though as it can kill some characters in one hit even with body shots, and will put most others at low heath. She needs some kind of bolt action or something to slow down her firerate akin to Hanzo's drawing.

>Mcree can instantly and with no counter play kill every hero
>this is completely fair in the eyes of Mcree players

>playing zen
>Widow hits my pinkie toe with her hitscan semi-auto rifle
>Die instantly

so much fun

>Mcree just needs a cooldown on his fan, then he's perfect.
cooldowns are terrible design and we don't need more of them in this game

>console_aiming.webm

He's right, you moron. Learn what a hitbox is and then learn how tickrate works.

What the actual fuck. I wrote "senpai" not "senpai". I guess my TBI is worse than I thought.

Why do people bitch about Hanzo? I really want to git gud at him but I'm finding it impossible. It doesn't feel like I ever have an opportunity to really shine, and the only kills I get are total dumb luck. If anyone gets close I can't hit them for shit. Anyone running serpentine? Forget about it.

Shit takes practice but I feel like it's a futile gesture and a waste of a teamslot to be trying to play Hanzo. 11 hours on Mercy, 4 or 5 on Lucio now I think. Sometimes i want to kill stuff but it's.... meh

Is tick-rate the new meme word? I've never heard it mentioned anywhere before Overwatch.

>professional tournament
>final match
>5 mccrees chosen


the game has shit balance, shit meta. its why i fucking was absolutely infuriated when i was playing the beta, and why ill never buy it. i know this game has no legs at all after 5 minutes into the beta. it was shit. im glad i didnt pay it or pay to get into beta, someone gave me their key.

every flaw i knew existed, is now being noticed by all the plebs, like fucking weeks later.

and shit like "oh we're going to FIX MCCREE"
literally, the thing you are trying to fix is the entire fucking core design of the character. you should have thought that shit through

also 24/7 push maps, because objectives are 2hard2learn, reason why i dropped TF2, because they nerfed level design for the most simplest plebs to comprehend

and the worst offender is the consolitis EZ mode win button, all classes get, taken from the books of destiny. destiny's mutliplayer was shit for it, and this game's multiplayer is shit for it. your entire game revolves around a gimmick, and every "play of the game" is just fucking some idiot pressing their ez mode button. so much so, that actual gunplay matters very little in the game as a whole. you could pretty much boil down the gameplay to rushing with your ultimates saved, then spamming them last minute, and winning

dont get me started on the fucking microtransactions and built in cash shop in their 60 dollar multiplayer only game, with literally only like 12 maps or some shit. what cancer. but its blizzard, and
>its okay when blizzard does it
because fuck having standards these days. good job supporting activision for another 5 years, im sure we wont get more cancerous cash shop ridden multiplayer games because of this game's success.

PLAY OF THE GAME

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if you've played any version of counterstrike, or any source shooter before, you'd probably have seen it in server names.

Whats up with this new Widowmaker is OP meme? Shes a sniper. Her only job is to kill shitm she's almost completely defenseless in close quarters. Nerfing her sniper would make her almost completely useless in every situation.
But i suppose thats what all you retards want. "Nerf every character except my favorite!"
Only thing they need to change with Widow is that the game needs to make it obvious when an enemy Widow has ult going, like when McCree uses his.

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>Almost completely defenseless in close quarters
>Sniper rifle turns into a s76 rifle with a bigger clip and barely less damage

I laughed a lot more than I expected.

Mei isnt fun to play against in any way. While not overpowered, its very poorly designed. Bastion is similar.

mcree nerf is coming. any idiot can do the math and see why he is broken.

70 damage per shot
fan the hammer 70x6= 420 damage in 1 second
oh and add a roll/free reload 420x2=840 damage in 2-3 seconds. and thats without and headshots.

sounds like you suck user. git gud

I can tell youve never played Widow and you're just salty as fuck because Widow players keep shitting on you. The AR sucks. Its basically only good for finishing players who are almost dead. If widow kills you with her AR 1v1 in close quarters when you're playing a close ranged hero, uninstall.

Spam arrows enough to get his ult.

Rinse and repeat. Never see him do anything else.

Literally new to Sup Forums huh?

I think the issue with her is that she makes entire team revolve around her and completely changes how the game is played.

You need to devote players specifically to counter a good one which forces potentially unfun situations upon players.

people figured out that if you spam sniper shots for solid DPS. after using a full charge.

They will probably increase her snipers kick to counter this or reduce spam shots.

Don't forget,
>venom mine announces when someone is hit by it
>does 75 damage
>also announces if someone destroys it
>can relocate with your grappling hook instantly when someone had to use a movement ability to get to you
Even if you can't fight, it's way too easy to run/flail around as Widow.
You're not being countered, you're just making it a 5v5 while you have your autistic chase

Only people who play him almost every match would deny he is in need of a nerf. Or the "git gud" faggots who think it's okay that one character is allowed to instakill any character with two button presses and can snipe from a distance

>State facts that dispute what you say
>You're just salty hurrr and terrible, git gud
Sure, bud.

Remove Infra-sight being shared with the team. Period. It makes no sense logically and is overpowered. A wallhack for a sniper is bad enough, but sharing wallhacks with the entire team? Fuck off.

I really hope McCree doesn't get nerfed so bad he becomes obsolete. I like playing as Clint Eastwood

she just has no hard counter.

Its pretty obvious by the balancing of the game than an invisible spy like hero will be added.

He's just being raging faglord, I can imagine his playtime is 97% widow.

>very high fire rate and no recoil so you're never punished for missing headshots, just try again
>if close range she can still kill reliably with poison mine and assault rifle (usually kill herself in the process but she still isn't directly countered)
Someone who is able to kill from safe high positions a mile away should be harder to use

literally go back to plebbit

As a Widow player I really dont care how people feel about her. I'm not playing the game so other people can have fun. A good Genji, Tracer, Reaper, or Winston can ruin the game for me if they know what they're doing. Do I try for them to be nerfed? Nope.
I could see this being a valif argument if it was like LoL where once you pick a character you're locked in for the whole game.

Why are you lying bro? He can't kill Russian bear women.

His design is so lazy though, I want to be a gunslinging cowboy not some stunbomb-throwing instagibber. I hope they just redesign his abilities.

>tfw McCree gets nerfed
>Double tracer every game

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

get your fun in while you can. this is blizzard we're talking about, so mccree is just gonna get run into the ground with nerfs. he might be viable again in 2 years or so after everyone else has had their turn getting nerfed

>tip that shows up when you play McCree says to line up an easy headshot when someone is stunned
>literally nobody does this because fan the hammer is straight up better
Thanks Blizzard

McRee is going to get nerfed, and I am going to drink them bitch boy tears when you shitters have to start playing as Reaper or Bastion to fill the void.

Winston hard counters her, but he's the only one. McCree, Tracer, Reaper and Genji counter her too EXCEPT for when the enemy teams have done everything to make sure she isn't flanked, like placing a turret next to her or/and having a Mercy by her side at all times

>cant dodge sniper shots
>telling anybody else to get good
kek

is the enemy team literally retarded ?

Oh and her ult. It's pretty shitty design to have a character whose weakness is flanking characters but her ult prevents this.

What facts did u state that disputed what i said? The only thing i gathered is that you suck and thats why you hate Widow. I never have any problems killing her close range and I dont think she needs nerfed.
Obviously she fucking destroys me at long range if im not playing sniper. Weird how that works.

well since Tracer is my secondary and she will absolutely wreck anybody as soon as McCree is obsolete I look forward to that day. you will get a panic attack every time you hear me blink and when I defeat you you will get that feeling of deja vu.

That her secondary gun fire is nearly equivalent in stats to the primary of a another offensive hero. That's not a skill issue and you spouting git gud does not change that fact.

When has blizzard not fucked up balancing in the past decade on any of their games?

Even if his damage is nerfed by 50% his fan the hammer combo still does more than enough to kill any class with less than 250 hp.

>What the absolute fuck.
Hi, reddit.

>Becamse a Macree main because i can't fucking stand Tracer
The worst part is that tracer mains are the most deluded fucks in the entier game
Like zooming around the map with the speed of light and instagibbing your team with le balanced Q+E combo before they could even notice she was there is skill
>muh 150HP

Tfw Tracer already scares me
Tfw everytime I hear a blink somewhere I'm sketching out

t. Mercy

>Get a quad kill
>Potg is a tracer killing 2 of my team with a Q
>Potg is such crap right now
>YOU SOUND SALTY, YEAH YOU BAD
>WHATS WRONG MR SALTY? NOT TALKING ANY MORE?
I'm convinced they're played by the most autistic assholes in the community.

but user she is the most skill dependant character in the game :^)

So youre upset that the sniper is hard to kill because she has barely any defenses when facing a close ranged character 1v1. Youd prefer if she was just an auto kill when you got within killing distance. I get it now. You just want her nerfed because shes hard for your favorite character to kill her.
I suggest playing Reaper. He can shit on Widow before she even knows where youre shooting from.

Widows bodyshots need to he halved from 150 to 75, and most shitters wont play her ever again making most games better

Mcrees Fan needs to go from 420 to 250, and the spread needs to be made huge after just a couple of feet

I agree with that statement unironically

Changes you want to see happen?

Here are mine:

Nerf the bullshit instant kill hook-shotgun combo Roadhog has on most squishies. He's tank, has a self heal can put out good damage at medium range and real good damage at close range. That's all fine I wouldn't change it. But his 1 shot combo is cancer and has to go. I find myself switching to him as the go to bullshit hero if I can't rely on my team for that exact reason. 1 shot combo. It's easy as fuck to pull off, it's annoying being caught by it and I feel bad for other people when I do it to them.

Buff D.va, it's already happening but she needs some sort of buff. Only a slight one. I've had some pretty good games as her, it's just as a tank she doesn't fulfil that role very well, and that is what she's supposed to be yet you have to play her more like a tanky assassin in order to be any good with her. Lots of routes you could go down. Maybe make her able to shoot her guns while boosting, and/or able to use her shield while boosting too (if she can't already do that? can't remember).

Nerf Mccree, again looks like this is already happening but I'm gonna include it anyway. His flash bang fan the hammer combo is just cancer. Seems like they're gonna nerf fan the hammer which is what I'd do, he shouldn't be doing that kind of damage to the more tanky characters. And that flashbang pretty much secures the kill and it's easy as fuck to hit with.

Widowmaker: Nerf her machine gun, it should do piss weak damage. I'm only ever frustrated when I get into range of her, I'm smacking the shit out of her and she can switch to that and keep up with me in damage. Her weakness should be close quarters combat that's partly the reason she has the grapple chain as an escape mechanic and the toxic mine to warn her of people near her. and yet it isn't her weakness really.

Soldier 76: Just give him a tiny bit more health. Up from 200 to like 225 or something. He feels too squishy.

>Hanzo aims for my teammate
>Misses
>The arrow ends up hitting me in the head

Widowmaker is the worst one. It's just not fun with her around
>stupid reload glitch
>fast as shit shooting
>trap nearly kills you
>wallhack

Play Roadhog without his hook, enjoy being completely useless, it's needed

Also 76 is in the second tier of usefulness, doesn't need a buff

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Roadhog is fine

>Getting killed sucks. Make it so that we don't die as easy

Literally the only characters who need changes are Mei and McREEEE. The former because she's underpowered and has a tendency to be annoying for her own team, the latter because stun and fan is retarded.

>Not Genji
>just as much HP as Tracer
>actually have to aim
>E has long CD
>His ult is outdamaged by Riedhearts basic AA
Not even a Genji main
But you get farm more impressed when someone recks shit as him because he can't just faceroll his way through a team

This is the only widow nerf I agree with. Killing her recharge time would make her pointless, which is what everyone wants. I think this is a good idea. She can still poke from a distance but cant 2 shot people. Tanks are easy enough to headshot to make her still useful.

I think widowmaker needs to be needed more than Brownback mountain. Dva also desperately needs a buff to her damage. She's almost useless as she is right now for anything but sitting on a payload.

Genjis ult makes me respect him less than a good tracer player. Tracer may be easy to play, but a good Tracer player is insane.

memes?

>Soldier 76: Just give him a tiny bit more health. Up from 200 to like 225 or something. He feels too squishy.
Wut 76 is fine as is. Learn to use cover and heals. He's dps not a tank.

Genji has more hp than tracer.

Ok, yeah you got me there, Genji takes alot more than Tracer to be good. Tracer is still up there for difficulty though imo

>just finished night shift and forgot Genji was even a thing

Tracer Ult is way better than Genji Ult though.

>a silverback had to die because some retarded kid could just watch as every other non autistic human

I disagree. Tracers ult cant even 1 shot tanks from full HP. A well played bomb might be able to take out a few enemies, but its not going to be very often that it happens. Genji can ult and wipe an entire team off a point.

Tracer's ult has a tiny range, so unless they're dumb enough to all hang around the same 5 foot radius, genji will do more with his ult.

>t. Widowmaker main

At range she's broken as fuck, if she's in a good chokepoint it means that she can kill anyone short of a shielded Zarya by body shorting and then spamming her zero recoil uncharged shots to finish someone off.

Up close her assault rifle is just shy of 76's and she doesn't even have to switch for it. Meaning with a Grapple hook and mine, she's not dying anytime soon in the hands of a competent player.

Not to mention her Ult is one of the fastest charging in the game, behind Mercy, and directly benefits the your team for the entire duration, even if she dies.

I seriously hope they nerf her in the McCree patch.

Take it easy there, kiddo.
Fixing McCree doesn't take a whole redesign. The match types leave something to be desired, but it's a team game so payload and koth makes sense.
Ulti's are generally easy to avoid and you get them too, not just the enemy team.
The only thing in the cash shop is cosmetics and the game only costs $40 if you don't care about them.

Anything else? I'm not saying the game is perfect, but your inner 12 year old is showing.

I hope McCree doesnt get nerfed

I can handle fighting McCree's, Tracers and Reapers on the other hand always push my shit in

What the fuck is this shit?

>Play Mcree becauses hes a cyborg cowboy
>Turns out to be op
>Nerf will make him useless
>Meanwhile mei, roadhog, and widowmaker go untouched

Fuck this gay eart

He either needs his ult nerfed or his flashbang nerfed.
He definitely needs his accuracy at mid-long range nerfed.

Getting killed is fine, but 1 shots are cancer. It's not fun at all. I'm not saying he should do no damage at all with it, I'm just saying he shouldn't be able to instant kill you like that. Of course on squishies it would get their health down to like 1-2 bars and he'd just need to shoot them once more to finish them off but at least it would give them a slight chance to fight back a bit. Most games I play with roadhog I win, most games I play against roadhog I lose. I'm certain that's not coincidence.

Yep this is basically a LTP issue, hense why I put him last.

I didn't say take his hook away retard, I said take his ability to 1 shot away. Refer to the above text. Again, I wouldn't even call that a buff, it's just slightly more health, it will make a very small difference, but if he didn't get it I wouldn't mind, it's pretty low on the list really. He's basically fine how he is I just included it for preference.

>unironically thinking hanzo is anything but shit tier

into the trash it goes

It's weird that this hitbox shit never applies to me.
I have to aim ON them or I miss.

Get worse internet :^)

I know what you meant, the simple fact is you're hardly going to kill anything without his 1 hit hook combo

His left click is trash unless they're right on top of you and his right click on works at a certain range when it explodes in their face

Remove the stun from hook, everything else is fine