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What's ironic is that it's called color splash but it's more washed out and dull than Paper Mario or TTYD.

Visually-speaking, it's pretty much what everyone could possibly want from an HD Paper Mario.

It's just not the gameplay they wanted.

because miyamoto is a cuck and doesn't want TTYD mechanics

Miyamoto can fuck off and stop sticking his gimmick dick in everything.

Well not really, the backgrounds are pretty shit from those two pictures

Miyamoto has nothing to do with this game.

he's the reason it isn't a PM game, so yeah, kinda he does.

Why cant you people ever admit that IS fucked up? Miyamoto had nothing to do with the gameplay in SS, and only made a suggestion.

IS were making Paper Mario for 3DS and it was like TTYD, Shiggy played it and said it is too much like TTYD, he suggested they change it.

Shiggy is law, Shiggy is god, people at Nintendo bend over backwards to gain his approval and to impress him.

Shiggy fucked up Paper Mario. If Shiggy never played the prototype then we'd have out TTYD style Paper Mario on 3DS.

Its easier to blame and enforce memes on one person than an entire division. Not to mention miimoto is recognized and a target

No you wouldnt and you'd still be bitching

If I recall, it was both minor advice from Miyamoto AND complaints for SPM surveys. Apparently the japs had shit taste and hated on the story instead of the non-rpg aspects.

A "suggestion" from the creative director isn't a "suggestion", if the creative director in any situation "suggests" something and you don't bring them back their suggestion, you're out of a job. That goes fucking double for Japanese business culture.

SPM is irrelevant to the equation since they didn't keep the gameplay from that game either. Which is a good thing because honestly as bad as SS's gameplay is, SPM's actual in game gameplay is worse.

Remember when paper was a clever aesthetic choice, and not something every facet of the game revolved around?

Nintendo thinks they don't need 2 Mario RPG series

then they need to take m&l out back and give it the old yeller treatment because it's fucking shit

They still took the suggestion for "low story elements" to a terrible level from both sources

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>people still think the games after SPM are even the same series
the first 3 PM games are RPGs
everything since is considered "action-adventure" and is shit

>SPM
>RPG
Fuck off Super Paper Mario apologist
the game was crap besides the story, and was the downfall of Paper Mario

because miyamoto

Are you kidding me? It's fucking hideous. PM1 looked better.

>the game was crap besides the story
Lol no it wasn't. It didn't have the most amazing gameplay but it was still fun with all the stuff you had. Plus the music was the best in the series.

I'm not an apologist, I didn't like SPM (didn't even finish it)

however I know it at least still had RPG elements, which were entirely removed in Sticker Star

SPM was broken and it didn't even function properly as a fucking platformer.
>constant speed
>in a mario platformer
fucking garbage. not to mention bowser was broken as fuck and could 1HKO most bosses.

Reminder: People will defend this.

this is just depressing to read

I hate the fact that everything needs to look like it's made of paper, and characters need to directly reference themselves being made of paper, paper paper paper

none of this was ever necessary to draw attention to in the first 3 games, the paper aesthetic was merely the basis for the art style and some of the moves. Nobody was asking mario to literally transform into paper-related shit, and the paper aesthetic of the graphics was used mainly for visual effects like buildings folding up and unfolding on-screen, to simulate screen change

>"miyamoto said something like an RPG would be fine, so for a while i thought that something like the previous one would be fine."
>"that must have meant you hadn't done much that was new"

jesus christ just kill me

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE NEW

CAN'T JUST STICK TO WHAT WORKS

GOTTA FUCK EVERYTHING UP BECAUSE GIMMICKS = PROGRESS

>Stickers
>Toads
>Probably no companions
Nope.

>Sticker Star turns to shit because the prototype was too similar to TTYD according to Miyamoto
>Color Splash is literally just Sticker Star with a fresh coat of paint (pun intended) but that's just fine with Miyamoto
Miyamoto doesn't really give a damn about innovation or originality, he just gets butthurt whenever someone does something with Mario that isn't the watered-down, casual friendly, homogeneous idea he has in his head that he won't stray an inch from.

Why does Mario need innovation or originality? It's the DEFINITION of casual. Innovation could have gone to a new IP altogether.

Would people like Splatoon even half as much if the squids were all replaced by Toads and it was a Mario spin-off?

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>You purposefully threw out the basic RPG structure

I like to think Iwata said that in a disappointed way.

these are the same people that speak very highly of other m and sakamoto, i've never seen a nintendo developer outright admit something they made was bad, even when it blatantly was.

>It's the DEFINITION of casual
Yeah, and that wasn't the case until the past few gens
It didn't have to be this way

Who is this Tanabe faggot and why is he so happy?

fishing for (you)s? oughta use some higher quality bait, son

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensuke_Tanabe

according to wikipedia he was producer for metroid prime. he is now the same person making federation force and telling metroid fans they actually do want it, they just don't realize it

Everything being paper is great, fuck you.

Will Shiggy fucking crucify him if he has a single original idea? Jesus...

>Japanese developers
>ever admiting a mistake
HAHAHAHAHAA
Its like finding an texan who isnt proud to be american.
Or more to the point, finding a texan who doesnt own a gun.

Tanabe is just as bad as Shiggy, everything he touches turns to shit.

prior to metroid prime he was a nobody, he only got "special thanks" credits and wrote scenarios for games with really basic stories.

then i guess he latched onto Retro Studios as producer of everything they made, although I would love to know what actual influence (if any) he had on Retro's games being as good as they are. (my guess is 'not fuckin much')

He's a producer who's been with Nintendo a long ass time. Nintendo only recently started pushing him to the forefront to be the face of a bunch of projects, and as a result, everyone hates him.

Really I don't think he has as much power as everyone pretends he does. He's been in involved with good games whenever the team he's working with is good, like Retro. Nintendo just happens to have a lot of shitty teams right now.

>as bad as SS's gameplay is, SPM's actual in game gameplay is worse.

As someone who particularly enjoys platformers, I can say you have incredibly shit taste. I fucking loved Super Paper Mario.

Too many people hate on it just because it wasn't the same RPG style people expect from that series, but it definitely was good from a platformer and story point of view. The boss battles were awesome too.

Sticker Star will always be the shittiest game in the series, assuming Color Splash will at least be slightly better.

To be fair I don't think Nintendo could've handled Federation Force any worse than they did

having both Trinen and Tanabe acting like it's the consumer's fault for being confused/angry at Federation Force was the point where I actively wanted Tanabe to just fuck off though

>90% new staff
It'll never be the same again. I bet most are in an in-office competition to see who sucks up to Miyamoto's design philosophy the most.

it was a fucking terrible platformer, what the fuck are you talking about? the controls were clunky and floaty at the same time, the speed was constant, the 3D gimmick didn't work, and that's JUST THE BASIC MOVEMENT. That doesn't even touch on how awful the combat was compared to mainline mario games or other decent platformers. Fuck off, reddit.

yeah man i just love flat, cheap looking construction paper textures

so much better than bright and colorful cartoon graphics with paper-like qualities just for aesthetic purposes

Why has Nintendo embraced this meme of making their games as eye blinding as possible with lens flares and flashing lights and rainbows everywhere? They did it with Mario Kart 8 and 3D World too.

No, fuck you. Did you even play TTYD? The art style is perfect.

>reddit
How about you fuck off you spergy faggot, there was a Pixl that increased your speed, the perspective based puzzles were fun, and the ability to switch between 4 different characters was pretty fucking cool.

>I don't like it. Therefore, it's not an RPG.

Because they can't use too many dark colors. Their games need to look bright and harmless for the kids.

>Nobody was asking mario to literally transform into paper-related shit
But they did

Sup Forums I have a honest FUCKING question.

What other companies do you see pulling this shit? What if Dark Souls 4 was a 2D pixel platformer? What if CoD is now a 3PRPG? They would fucking NEVER do that because they found a formula people love (maybe not CoD recently, but you get the picture). When someone wants to innovate within their series, they'll add new mechanics, add new worlds, new universe, new MCs, THE SKY IS THE LIMIT! However they keep the basic structure of the game there, RPGs are RPGs and FPS are FPS still. When Nintendo "innovates" they rebuild the game from scratch under the same IP, pissing people off who loved the previous games. So if these group of people interested in the first game, they most likely won't get the second one no matter how much it changes, and the people who did enjoy the first won't get the second since you threw out most of what made it enjoyable. Not only do I not see the point from a player perspective, from a business perspective I don't understand either. They have to know some shit I don't, because nobody can be this moronic should be handling a multi-million dollar company.

tl:dr Why?

Not in the first two games, I don't recall any situation where the NPCs outright acknowledged the paper aesthetic. It was just the artstyle the game was made around.

They didn't literally ask but Mario did transform into paper related stuff

Now you've fucking done it

>They didn't literally ask
That is my issue. In the new games they DO literally ask and acknowledge that Mario can do paper shit. They can no longer contain the urge to comment on paper everything. It's jarring.

Mario only transformed when he was cursed in TTYD
In other words in the first two games, actually having paper properties was exclusively the result of powerful, bizarre, scary magic and not just something mundane.

>Sup Forums still blames miyamoto for one guy going full retard

>What other companies do you see pulling this shit?

Capcom and RE4? The result was way better than Sticker Star, but they still did something similar (complete overhaul of the formula).

It's crazy how people defend meme filled collages.

I have come to understand that it was a combination of their dicksucking worship of every cough or sneeze from miyamoto, along with Tanabe being a retard

Do you understand what would have happened to Tanabe if he hadn't followed Miyamoto's suggestion to the letter? He's being forced to do this though I will admit that acting like a smarmy fuck isn't helping his case.

is that a badass shyguy partner? if so yesss plz

Because those same people also bitch about nintemdo "rehashing"

So, can we all finally agree that nintendo's main problem right now is the fact that they refuse to rehash their games?

everything went to shit when they jumped from Gamecube to Wii, and their new philosophy became ~transformation~

RE4 is still in the survival horror genre.

TTYD was an RPG, Sticker Star wasn't.

Not really. They're rehashing the hell out of Sticker Star, they rehashed NSMB multiple times, they rehashed Link to the Past. And they literally rehashed Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.
Nintendo's main problem is that they remove anything appealing about their games and needlessly change formulas without actually adding anything worthwhile.

It's a wonder the game didn't turn out worse considering what a b-team was assigned it.

Even worse is PM fans are edgelord enough to wish for Miyamoto's death over this. I just want him to retire before he gets extremely senile and remember him more for his past.

that is bad, but EVEN worse is PM fans pretending that PM is a flagship Nintendo franchise and the entire world is looking tensely at what happens with that franchise.
Imagine being this disconnected. It's too scary actually

What the fuck are you on about. The title of the game is called PAPER Mario not A WORLD WHERE THINGS ARE KINDA LIKE PAPER BUT WE WONT CALL IT THAT OR Mario

They manage to "innovate" until the games are watered down trash then they rehash those ones
Also known as the "we fucked up on every possible level" strategy

>The title of the game is called PAPER Mario
Actually in Japan it was just called MARIO STORY. So even the title was never implying the characters and world were *literally* made of paper. The point was that Paper Mario is a storybook world.

It was made as a sequel to MARIO RPG.

from ttyd onward they were called paper mario in japan too, but yes the story book bold, underline, italicize STORY, miyamoto aspect was originally the main idea behind it

They shouldn't be doing something completely new with a well-known IP unless it's a spin-off & presented that way (but only after they release a real sequel since it's been like 12 years since TTYD) but they shouldn't make it a rehash either. It should be like how TTYD was a true sequel to 64, it may have it's issues but it added so much to game such as:
Stylish commands
Super guarding
Stage crowd that interacts with you & effects your SP
SP now requires unique button commands
Bingo
Super/Ultra Hammers & Boots now give unique attacks in battle
Paper "Curses" that let you traverse the land
Badges now stack
Partners now have HP
New interesting world
Bigger overall story

There are probably more but I think TTYD is more than a rehash & I don't see why people are begging for that of all things. A real TTYD sequel should expand upon what's already been established with new ideas that enhance what previous games already established.

But if it stays the same people scream rehash

There is no winning. live with it.

Well in a way it makes sense to change it to "Paper Mario" there since in TTYD there is a direct acknowledgement of Mario being given those powers. Powers which should, by that logic, only apply to him, implying he is the only one considered "actually made of paper now"

I know, I know, I'm looking too hard into it

Miyamoto admitted Zelda II was a mistake

>Nobody was asking mario to literally transform into paper-related shit
Do you not remember the Black Chests in TTYD

You're on Sup Forums man... We are extremely disconnected with reality. I hardly ever go outside. I could be reading real news and maybe trying to support my local politics with an educated vote but instead I waste away in front of my computer and my video games because what else do I have

Nintendo did that all the time and people still screamed rehash at the top of their lungs. Also people simply refuse to buy nintendos new ips most of the time and then act nintendo doesnt make any.

Did people really want "empty shoebox diorama"? I'm glad people enjoy it, I'm really trying to figure out how they do. Because I hate it. Everything looks so empty. The white "sticker" outlines on everyone looks terrible. I can't wait for everyone to be like "WE'RE MADE OF PAPER. INSERT PAPER PUN HERE. HAHA"

Honestly, the only time I agree that it's been a rehash is with their 2D Mario games, they never really add on anything new, it's usually just a new flying power-up replacing the older one. Also in the defense of people who pretend they don't make new IPs they kind of advertise it poorly, I only really recall seeing them push Splatoon hard unlike all their other stuff (not to make it sound like they don't make other new IPs it's just you never hear much from them).

The actual cancer of Nintendo

>there will never be another mario game with proper partners

>RE4 is still in the survival horror genre

I get there are very minor examples, but you have to understand I am comparing that to the fact that the newer games frigging RUB IN YOUR FACE HEY ITS PAPER LOOK SOME PAPER SHIT IS HAPPENING HAHA GET IT CUS PAPER and i liked it when it was just simple and subtle

but i get there were a ton of factors that led it down that shitty path, not all of which are even captured in that collage

and i know its just a dumb spinoff series but god damn do i love mario rpg, and paper mario is an amazing, perfect transition of the property that replaces the squaresoft influences and makes it a wholly nintendo experience

and TTYD was basically just refining it, giving it more depth, and expanding on it in fun (but not intrusive) ways where you never want to stop playing cuz it's so much fun

and then they switched some gears around and it doesn't run quite the same, things are out of place and some aspects are just completely gone. it has less... soul to it. the uniqueness and creativity has been all but scrubbed away, like they sandpapered everything down to their most basic, and said "okay, make a fun and engaging game with this" and there's just... so little you can do when you are only allowed three fucking colored toads

i mean it sounds like they tried their damndest to make it work, but so did the Other M devs when sakamoto said they had to use a sideways wiimote. they bend over backwards for their bosses

Because Nintendo is out of touch with reality and has gone to absolute shit.

I fucking hate this industry.

Banjo Kazooie.
Conker.
Spyro.
Pretty much any animal mascot from the 90's has been fucked over if not killed off.

>partners

ha... ha

>no source
lol

It is though.