This is probably going to be the first expansion im not going to get

This is probably going to be the first expansion im not going to get.

The leveling was great, but its over too quick, and the end game is literally WOD 2.0 I.E
>repetitive dungeon grinding
>resource grinding
>Professions are still RNG shit, they just replaced garrison wait times with extreme node farming, and you still need your weekly grind of obliterium to upgrade them
>everyone gets one 'artifacts" completely missing the point of why the Legendary cape/ring was shit

The classes are fun at first, but then you're pretty much stuck in the trinity once again, except with classes being more dynamic and interesting, they're also restricted, which means if you're not a tank or a healer, you're screwed for slots if you're not BiS DPS.

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>caring about WoW at all past Mists of Panderia
The game went downhill after MoP. Honestly, still the best WoW expansion to this date.

Don't bullshit yourself, you know very well you will pick it and you will enjoy it, no matter what.
'tis a curse, user.

No game rules forever, my son

I haven't logged in for months, so I don't have to do any of that shit

feels good, and yet I suddenly feel the urge to resub the past week

They're full on retarded, now they reduced the available max camera distance console command because retards who didn't do it were at a disadvantage
>hmm maybe just allow the camera to go to the actual cap with the slider
>nope, just reduce the whole fucking thing

>his is probably going to be the first expansion im not going to get.
>He got Pandaria

shut the fuck up you retarded faggot

>reduced the available max camera distance console command because retards who didn't do it were at a disadvantage

What disadvantage?

You could see further around your character with the console command

>not getting MoP
>not getting the second best expac behind TBC

Have you not seen many raid encounters lately?

There is so much fucking ground fire and adds 5x your sizeits hard to see a god damn thing

You also have PVP where being able to see more is a major advantage, imagine league of legends if it had dota 2's view distance.

It's basically the same argument idiots make for locked FoV

But that's an advantage

OP here

The last 3 expansions were shit.

MOP especially so thanks to LFR

Why? Because end game progression was pushed aside for mindless grinding for pointless ilvl, fuck that, give me my adventure back.

Yeah it is, and retatds who didn't use it are supposedly at a disadvantage. Which is why they reduced it to the slider cap.

lol

Speaking of camera, what ever happened to that console friendly "dynamic" camera they were adding in.

All I have done in the beta is roll or transfer 1 of every class to see the class halls.

Some classes got really hosed compared to others. Warlocks, for example, get a fucking amazing intro quest and class hall, and hunters get hot garbage. I mean, its actually embarassing how shitty hunters stuff was.

So far, the best class halls and intro quests are easily
Druid
Warrior
Warlock

And the really shitty ones are easily:
Hunter
Rogue

The rest were okay, I guess. Monk was pretty meh too actually but at least the intro quest wasn't COMPLETELY phoned in like hunter and rogue were.

The action camera? No idea, I think it's still there.

You make it sound like the game hasn't been a grind for better gear since literally Vanilla.

Wow, you sure showed me.

It always has been, but they also had progression, and they didn't reset your progress every fucking patch to basically 0 with welfare gear.

I mean I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who went through mythic highmaul when it litterally did nothing to progress them.

Legion is going to be the best xpac since Wrath, bringing WoW back to the better days, and with the movie/xpac combo there is an influx of new players and returning players, bringing life back into the world. Stay mad faggots, the game is great again, you can't stop it, and you will never get your official vanilla servers.

Except the end game is shit still
>B-but my mythic
Still shit

With this logic they should disable all addons since not everyone uses every addon there is

Not gonna lie, I fucking hate what DBM and gearscore did to this game.

I agree, with DBM you just look at timers and all the shit it adds to your screen instead of the game. Gearscore was/is just on a next level of stupidity.

Just do what i've been doing.

On my hunter I equipped a level 1 bow and I camp leveling areas, as I see level 100 or so players start attacking a mob, I peg them with 1 damage, which causes the level scaling to happen and now they're getting raped by a level 110 and not even realizing it.

That doesn't happen

>Blizzard removing the CameraDistanceMax console command
>Says it's because the people who use it have "A competitive advantage" over those who don't

I'm looking forward to not being able to see anything when playing melee against giant ass bosses

Have fun raiding as melee

>panda fag
The game wasnt worth playing after LK. And even LK wasnt even as good as it could have been.

What kjind of retarded addons are this?

>baiting this hard
user plz

That's why Blizzard introduced the character outline option

Hurr durr you faggots who havnt beaten the game on mythic/heroic/arbitrary reskin cant say jack shit about the game not being challenging.

Have you even mythic Archiomone with 2 drakes and Heroic garrosh with 20 jizz demons dude?

CHECK MATE NOST FAGS

>still the best WoW expansion
>Pandaland

WEWCOME OUTSIDAH TO GRORIOUS PANDARAND!
PREEZ HEWP ABOUT TEN SOUSAND PANDA PEASANTS FIGHTA SMAWW RAYMAN RAVINGA RABBIDOS
OHHH, WHATA BIIG WEPON YOU HAVE OUTSIDAH, FOW SOMA ONE WHO COME IN PEACE -- OH! PREEZE DEFEND US FROM OUR OWN FUCKING NATURAL WILDLIFE WE SIMPLY CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES! YOUR ANGER HAS UPSET THIS LAND THOUGH!

Fuck pandas, and fuck their land

>repetitive dungeon grinding

What the fuck did you ever do dungeons in WoD for? Ashran gear was the best pre-raid gear you could ask for, you had zero reason to do dungeons, aside from achievements.

Agreed, cool scenery but fuck the people.

Also I wanted to be a mogu

>probably
;^)

Just something that works in the beta I suppose

I got sick of the chinese architechture and music during the first fucking zone, didn't even get a character to max level that expansion.

I think that they should somehow reduce the shit on the screen in raids. Sometimes you really can't see for shit.

Later leveling was fine but fuck the first two zones

Not him, but nope.
Warlords were supposed to save WoW.
Fool me once...

I hardly bought Warlords. I'm not even the least tempted or interested in Legion.
That ship has sailed.
Blizzard had one final shot and they blew it!

I feel bad for the people that work at blizzard making the art, designs and music. They are the only people putting effort into the game and improved over the years. Everything else is trash

I see...only ASSFAGGOTS...before me...

MoP leveling was the by far worst leveling experience I ever had, even if they put a lot of effort into the world with finding random stuff and the mini bosses. And that coming from someone that leveled every class during cata to max level. It was such a step back
The moba hype is also on a massive decline. The /vg/ thread lost like half their people to overwatch. The viewer numbers on twitch are also half what they used to be, in addition to bad balancing and the new queue system everyone hates outside dirty casuals. It's the same as WoW. They even introduced a cs:go/tf2 like chest and keys system you can buy system to milk it before it dies just recently

Just because people finally realized league is bad doesn't mean that games like dota 2 are suffering.

Also there are a new wave of MMOs coming out in the next 1-3 years that are using classic MMOs like EQ1, DAOC, and UO as a template to build upon instead of being shitty WOW clones.

I myself am pretty excited to see where Brad McQuaid's game goes.

They're also the staff that people keep praising.

Can anyone explain the issues with the current WoW? I recently started playing it because thanks to the movie the battle chest is cheaper than a dinner, I'm having fun just running through dungeons and grinding that way but I imagine it gets really boring

In short, the current game is totally different from what it once was and it pisses the old players off

The vast majority of people unhappy with WoW are all veterans who happen to really dislike the direction they took the game. If you look a little harder, you'll find all your answers.

Probably the most notable among all complaints is that, back in the day you had to either advertise in LookingForGroup or Trade to try and get a group going for a dungeon, or of course find a good solid guild that you meshed well with, and run with guildmates. In modern WoW, they've... well, basically gutted most if not all sense of community by cutting out any and all need for doing such things.

Because of the LFG and LFR, everyone can find a group for stuff in absolutely no time, and everyone will be able to see every raid and raid boss, albeit a very casual watered down version of it, in LFR. While in theory this sounds good, and generally it sort of IS a convenience because it could take up to an hour or longer to find a group if you pugged in LFG/Trade back in the day, add onto that the hour or several hour dungeon run (Depending on the dungeon, Blackrock Depths took so fucking long, but holy shit was it fun.). However, you no longer need to even know where a dungeon is on the map, because LFG just ports you straight into the dungeon with people it found for you, and of course dungeons nowadays are incredibly easy and seem like nothing compared to what they used to be. All of this mixed together sort of killed off what most saw as a pretty immersive and wondrous part of... well, just the game in general. And they aren't wrong.

Dungeons themselves are much much much easier in modern WoW too. Back in the day you used to have to utilize CC that several classes provided in order to incapacitate a mob or two in a single pull to cut down the amount of damage the tank and group took. This also made certain classes more desirable in dungeons/raids, along with other things of course, but nowadays it's pretty much just "get in there, kill shit, get loot, yay ur done".

Don't forget that with the need for advertising in trade on your own server gone you are less likely to make new friends with people you would otherwise be seeing all the time.

I'm not one to root for faggot e celebs but Preach put it well a few years ago
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Can't say I don't understand the issue, I guess as a complete newfag I can hardly see the bad parts until endgame or something

You start seeing them the second you log in on a brand new character
>no danger in the world whatsoever, you one hit every mob and you'll never run out of resources
>no group quests, you solo everything so minimal social interaction
>dungeons were made piss easy so you just blast through with aoe without any kind of strategy, some classes can even solo the dungeons at their level
>with the dungeon finder you're grouped up with a bunch of randoms from other servers who you'll most likely never see again
>because of that no one ever says a word so it feels like you're playing with bots
Just to name a few

Preach is all about raiding, he doesn't care about the many things that keeps raiding remotely interesting, he just cares that raiding isn't accessable so he can make money off of being a world firster.

You even remotely talk about the shit that made raiding a rewarding experience in the first place, the economy of consumables, enchants, gems, buffs, nope, fuck that, just raids thank you, talents, gear customization, all that has got to go, he's still whining that you can't change your talents on the fly in legion without a ridiculously expensive item or go to an inn.

He's right that the game should be difficult, but the game should be difficult from a baseline, gear should be scarce but beloved, but right now, gear is pointless, raids are boring and repetitive, and quests are grindy as fuck

You're new. You won't have the same issue. Any issues you have will be completely different, so you're lucky in that sense. Sucks you won't know the joys of finally getting a group together for a dungeon, heading out to the dungeon's meeting stone and waiting for someone else in your party to meet up with you so you can start summoning the rest of your party. Then some fucking prick AFKing somewhere in the time it took for you to make it out to the stone without saying he's actually going to be AFKing, so the whole group is stalled for another fucking 15 minutes before this asshole gets back and simply says "sumon pls".

Yeah, my girlfriend and I talk about it all the fucking time, but you legitimately do not even need to find a guild on your own server anymore. You seriously don't. All you have to do is go into Custom LFG and get into raids this way, and eventually you'll be geared and experienced with the raids that way, then just work your way up, as people even pug Heroic and easier Mythic fights. You truly only need a guild for, at best, the rest of the Mythic fights you cannot clear in a Custom LFG group. So you can effectively clear the majority of content with complete strangers, and never once are you pushed into finding a guild, working your way into a core group, spend week after week with the same people working around each other and getting a feel for how you guys play together just to get shit done and whatnot.

Group quests are bad in todays WOW desu, unlike before where level 60s were generally running around doing things and were more then willing to help, or people were leveling alts, it was fine, but with 100, soon to be 110 levels of content and 90% of the players at the end game, the leveling experience being a group focused one is kind of a bad idea

Really though, this stems from the problem that ever expansion makes old content obsolete so people aren't rerolling, or running around in old zones to begin with.

...

Group quests would work just as fine if the player mentality was what it used to. Today it's just max efficiency in everything and "fuck off you're in my way" kind of thinking. There's still plenty of people leveling alts but most of them just spam the ridiculously easy dungeons for xp. That as well would be fixed with the absence of LFD.

overwatch is a moba. sorry you had to find out this way.

Pretty much, I joined a social guild that raided normal and stayed there but the progression was painfully slow so I started pugging Heroic on the side and cleared all of that before we as a guild even killed Archi normal.

It's a slow step in the right direction that Mythic Dungeons are replacing Heroic as the dungeon content to do.

>WoW is so dead and gone for you and your golden days were so long ago now that you play purely out of nostalgia with a friend
if she hadn't begged me to play with her i wouldn't have bought MoP.

it's so weird, playing that game. PVP and PVE ain't what it used to be.
you used to have a chance to instantly kill someone back in the day, think about that for a second.

imagine taking a pizza and taking all the cheese off the center and putting it on the crust, then aligning the pepperoni carefully along the crust, the middle of the pizza would just be pizza sauce.
that's what Blizzard did with WoW. center of the game is all grind and then the outer teenie tiny bits of the game get all the focus and development, with little space to work with.

Dont waste your money on Blizzjews. Go find an old private server somewhere. Kronos or something.

At the very end of Wrath, I watched a Druid and Paladin duel in the Underbelly for 40 minutes straight one night. A single duel, 40 minutes.

... And nobody won. One of them eventually just logged off because neither could kill each other. Resilience was a mistake.

Druid and pala duels have always been like that

the klaxxi were cool.

>this
I was one of those holy paladins that fought resto druids regularly.

Druids were immortal, and even when there was some sort of danger they just ran the fuck away in travel form. Shit was frustrating as hell.

I fucking hate druids, but especially resto druids.

>2 paladins duel
>melee hits once every three seconds
>occasional judgment
>praying for SoC proc
>low hp, heal
>repeat

They aren't real problems, they're differences of opinion, that's why you don't understand them. They are being portrayed as flaws and serious issues when they're nothing of the sort. Never take anyone at face value when they try to explain the "problems" a game has, always read into what they're saying. Sometimes, there are real problems, like graphical glitches, crash-to-desktops, incredibly crude assets, etc. Other times it's just things like "the game is too hard/easy" or "I liked thing, thing is gone or changed, I like game less on principle".

The aggressive paladin usually lost first because he would run out of mana by consecrating and shocking.

Paladins without mana were fucked. They had no real way of getting it back.

>levelling a ret paladin mid-WOTLK on the Sen'jin pve server
>waiting for bangalash to spawn in STV(he was still elite)
>a horde druid shows up
>well, I got time to kill
>flag for PvP
>sure enough, he attacks me
>spend the next half hour fighting him
>eventually, his much lower levelled warrior buddy shows up, they both start attacking me
>bangalash spawns, mid-fight
>get a consecrate down, tag him
>the warrior peels off and starts killing him, not realizing I have the tag
>he dies fighting bangalash
>get the last few hits on bangalash, finally manage to get lucky with some crits and kill the druid

most satisfying duel I've ever had.

the next day my paladin's name got flagged and I had to rename from Phalluss

>like its an opinion why WoW is shit now

Seriously, who the fuck are you trying to kid here? We all know that killing the community and sense of progression destroyed the game.

There were other factors that didnt help but they were the main ones and old players overwhelming agree on it.

Its not like we're discussing abstract fucking art here. We know exactly why WoW is shit now.

Hey man dont listen them. Keep playing as long as it's fun.
The fags in here are just whining because they fell in love with a specific periode of the game - And that's fine, I too like older WoW.
But that's our problem, not yours. Have fun mate.

Oh and dont fucking advise a new player to find a vanilla private server. That's like buying your kid a toy that you would want to play with, but not what your kid wished for.

>you legitimately do not even need to find a guild on your own server anymore

That's a nice way of saying "I'm fine with waiting six months to almost a year just to clear things people had done within the first few months". If you don't want the guild/raid experience, that's cool, but don't pretend you're getting anything like it from pugging farm bosses and getting carried. Some people do only care about epix, I despise these people. They crept in during Wrath and slowly poison guilds by dropping out whenever they get bored and/or all the shit they want. Blizzard actually did us all a favor by making the various tiers, because it shuts these people the fuck up. There's almost always something else you could get, even on farm bosses. I guess that's why you're finding groups to carry you.

There's a game in the works for us old fucks
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haven't gotten an expansion since cata
loving life ever since
don't get tricked into thinking you need WoW
it is just something to fill the void of your time.

>Dungeons themselves are much much much easier in modern WoW too.

You know what I find hilarious about this? When you do timewalking you will face the biggest retards who just stands in the fire

>muh daddy issues the story
I hate how Metzen fucked everything up. Fucking assblasted faggot.

Oh look, it's the kind of guy I was talking about. No, no one cares how YOU PERSONALLY feel. The community didn't die because of LFG, progression is still here, none of these things went away, things about them just changed, which, in YOUR OPINION, is for the worse.

You're right, we're not discussing "abstract art", we're discussing a game, which has many functional components and opaque design decisions that all have purposes and results, one such result being how YOU FEEL. Now we're back to how you feel, and I have to remind you again that I don't give a shit how you feel. Your feelings are abstract, but want to know something concrete? The game isn't destroyed, it's still there, people play it to this very day, just not people who are you.

>with the movie/xpac combo there is an influx of new players and returning players, bringing life back into the world.
yeah dude i love leveling a character and every dungeon group having a tank and healer that have never run the dungeon before

it's even better when it happens every single fucking dungeon for 90 fucking levels

t. 92 druid, 16th alt

I'm with you on that one, they still haven't learned at all. Still has:

>garrison bullshit in any form
>time gating, because martha can only play 2 hours a week and she should be at the same level as you
>artifact shit being the worst part of the legendary questlines, being handed something for free takes all the fun out of it
>power fantasy in an mmo AGAIN
>classes dumbed down even more
>same awful content/raid plan as WoD
>still no new bgs

MoP was great but it had a shit drought and some other flaws, it was on par with WotLK but inferior to BC

Hopefully Legion will end with Sargeras entering Azeroth and fucking everyone's shit up resulting in the re-origination of Azeroth and a reboot of the game without the retards currently running it.

>power fantasy in an mmo AGAIN
This is my main gripe to be honest
>Greetings, commander
EVERYONE is the fucking commander

>reboot of the game without the retards currently running it
You really think this? They are 100% already working on the expansion.

nice

>There are people who never got to see the original Ravager

The proc effect was so damn fun to watch

So sad they didn't keep the proc on the version that replaced it in pandaland

You guys wont be happy with anything. Legion is the best expansion since WoTLK. Not as good as WoTLK, but...it's something.

Leveling a Shaman using Ravager was fun. Procs fucking everywhere.

Its time gated so neets aren't blasting through everything, that way they can't whine and ask where the content is when they still have shit to do. If they could without time gates they'd raid for a bit them cancel sub till next patch

>better than pre nerfed cata
I don't think so also overall WoTLK was extremely shit. Literally cut content and rehash the expansion with the worst story rape in they entire franchise.

>which has many functional components and opaque design decisions
Poor decisions such as the ones I mentioned. We saw the cause and effect ourselves. You dont have to tell me its my fucking feelings that are causing me to say this. I seen the nosedive the game took after several "opaque design decisions"

>The community didn't die because of LFG
What did it die from then? If you think its still there then youre in some sort of denial.

>progression is still here
What kind of progression? Blaze through LFR in a day or two and beat the game?

>The game isn't destroyed, it's still there, people play it to this very day, just not people who are you.
Its at an all time low since Vanilla. Half the players are chinks.


How can we be completely objective if there arent concrete metrics? We dont have to fucking be because we were there and know what damaged the game the most.

Suck more cock Blizzdrone. You're fucking delusional. You're the type of cuck cunt that killed the game for the rest of us.

A fucking devils advocate white knight apologist. Absolute scum.

Enemies tough as nails
No equipment power creep
Finite resources
Lots of stats to manage
No in-game maps
No flying or instant teleports to make the world irrelevant
Open dungeons (not instanced just for your party)
Specialized classes

I just hope people discover the game so it's not just me playing

They already made one for all you annoying fucks, it's called Wildstar. Turns out that players crying for that type of MMO didn't actually want it.

>Windfury dropped by shaman in group
>Charge in as arms warrior
>Turn into a living hurricane

Alliance would never know such joys

But Wildstar was nothing what I wanted. It was a shitshow of crap on the ground and limited keybinds with an absolutely awful attempt at humorous writing.

They didn't want those gold req atunements and when the devs finally got rid of them everyone was gone

>anything with LFR/LFD
>Good
How about no, you just don't get it.

Note: I always thought there should have been better solo content, especially since professions kept getting shittier and shittier as years went on, but to turn raids, the one thing that should be LOTS OF PEOPLE FIGHTING BIG ASS DRAGONS into solo optional garbage, while the rest of the game was turned into "hard mode" of that same content, the game went to shit.

The only good things to hpapen in recent years are hard quests, like Green Fire, and thats pretty much it, Legion's end game seems to be doubling down on everything wrong with the game, namely being grinding with no goal.

You can't be the best on your server if your server is dead, you can't be best in the world because people who do it as a job get there first, you can get amazing gear because everyone else gets it too, or will next patch where you have to start over.

Its not the destination, its the journey, but new wow's design is about blowing the journey in less then a week, then expect you to grind for the sake of grinding.