Fallout 4

The gameplay here is 100x better than the previous Fallouts. So can someone tell me how they consider this game shit?

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Because the gameplay is 200x worse

Easy because it is shit.

It is better than 3 but so is eating glass

100 x 0 is still 0

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4 is so much worse than 3, even a NVfag wouldn't say 4 is better

>shallow straight path quests
>absolute shit diolog system

That's really my only complaints

Fallout 3 is pure shit, but it has sprinkles on top so you think it's good

Loss of skill points is probably the most legitimate gripe

t.Todd

Nigga I don't even like Fallout so imma fallout out this thread real quick like.

The thing that killed it the most for me was having to grab literally every little bit of junk I could find and make 5 trips to home base and unload everything just to clear one area.

The gameplay would have been alright if I didn't have to hoard to craft.

>Pure shit
So then NV must be mostly shit

By game standards, it's still shit.
Without RPG elements, of course.

Hello im a NVfag and 4 is better than subway tunnels simulator 3

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Bethesda lost the rp from rpg on this one.
Even fo3 had some rol.

Fallout 4 took a step forward in combat, but then took 2 steps back in everything else

Because people are scared that it's better then New Vegas (which it is) after they've invested so much meme power into trying to elevate NV to anything other than an incredibly bad and overly simplistic action game with barebones RPG elements and incredibly variable writing quality on the worst iteration of a shit engine.

If your settlers aren't assigned to anything, theyll scavange the parts you need. Also. If you tell your companion to pick something up, they'll never be encumbered

It's an empty husk of a game. 99.99% of Sup Forums agrees and proves why Bethesda can never completely deliver a fun experience as games in their mainline franchises go on.

>haha, so get this
>People complain about gamebryo games having too much useless clutter
>I just had an idea
>MAKE PLAYER COLLECT EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BIT FOR... WAIT FOR IT
>SURVIVALCRAFTING ELEMENTS IN WACKY 50's AMERICA!

NON GLASS EATERS PLEASE LEAVE

>99.99%agree
Logic would dicated being the .01% is the right choice

because
>muh Piss Vegas and its multiple endings

try 7

there's like no semblance of heart or realism and you're left with a jumbled sense of disbelief as you play like "okay this makes no fucking sense but haha lazer magic"

I'll even say NV wasn't THAT great but compared to 4 it was a god damn master piece. NV had cut content and segmented, sprawling hubs that sucked but its far from 4 with its oh just go places and get non-satisfaction with minimal dialogue/notes/subtle placements that sort of flesh out the scene and lets you investigate

it just turns to LETTER HERE. READ. NOW U UNDERSTAND as opposed to 1 or 2 when you can spend 5 mins just examining a single tier

Nice meme.

OP, a general summary on why this Fallout game isn't as well received as the others:

It's been over-simplified.

That's it really. The shooting is alright and I dig the new VATS; however, I didn't like how barebones it is (dialog, speech checks, skills).

Releasing the modding kit wayyy later after release was bullshit, imo.

They dropped the rpg elements to make it more of an fps, yet didnt include any good fps mechanics or features. Bravo bethesda

Bethesda killed f4 with the GECK delay.
>MUH WASTELAND WORKSHOP that suspiciously feel like mods from F3 and FNV

Yeah there's that article mentioning how eerily similar some parts from the Far Harbor (I think that's the one) DLC were from something a modder produced for FNV.

It's such a shame that even the mods aren't that great, in comparison to the mods on F3 and FNV.

Unique item, literally normal items with some shitty prefix.
>No unique look
>No unique ability
>Pipe gun

Fallout 3 and 4 are my favorite WRPG's
Get fucked and go back to playing polish movie with shit characters and plot
and bioware's homosexual masterpieces, faggots

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Automatron was like FNV mod, Robco certified
There are settlement mods for both F3 and NV
Autumn leaves campaign the "Brain Dead" quest.
It's somehow less of an RPG and less of a Shooter than fucking borderlands.
in BL at least legendaries have some fun modifications.
Also, are food effects still listed as "Fortify X"?

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Faggot

How would You fix f4 storyline?
Easy mode: literally "neo scavenger"
wake up from a fridge, confused, figure out who are you, why you were frozen.

I just used the console to give myself 10,000 of every material and call it a day.

Gunplay is the one advantage it has over the other games. But even then, it's gameplay is the worst out of all five games because of how dumbed down and stripped everything else is.

Because it might aswell be an FPS, any RPG element it had before was throw off the window.

It's the same thing as fallout 3

Because fallout was never about the shooting or the gameplay. It was always complete shit but you put up with it to experience other things.
Fallout 4 improved the awful gameplay but removed anything good from the previous ones.

>take Fallout 3
>improve the gunplay 10-fold
>fuck everything else anybody liked about even Fallout 3 let alone the others
>add in a pointless settlement thing that only autists participated in since it does nothing of any note or value
>WHY DO PEOPLE NOT LIKE THIS

They fucked up royally. Even Skyrim delivered more content and replay value and that's saying quite a lot.

it just feels like an unpolished, clunky turd of a game that lacks any real soul and just isn't all that fun

It would've been great by 2011 standards, but when you compare it to something like gta5 it leaves a lot to be desired

Are you Bethesda?
We need to have a talk on how to develop games. You did good with Morrowind and went downhill from there. How about you remake Morrowind instead of Skyrim and get some fresh-old ideas?

no

>How about you remake Morrowind instead of Skyrim
That would actually require effort instead of just upscalin the textures.

But Oblivion was better than Morrowind, so unless you skipped that game then you're simply incorrect.

because it's not 100x better, it's 30x better. Shooting feels better, animations are better, talking to someone doesn't do that weird face zoom thing and it's cool that they've made looting containers 1 button presses instead of 2. However, in order to get that 30x improvement Bethesda got rid of the RPG elements, ruined the speech system, made the story worse then Fallout 3's, which is practically medal worthy. So it managed to take 1 step forward and 3 backwards off a cliff.

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That's pretty spot on, except at the bottom of the cliff was some cool crafting and kickass gunplay

Stop replying to your own posts, we can tell.

What is with this crafting shit nowadays anyway? Why does it need to be in every fucking game now?

Extends play time substantially while requiring minimal modeling, animation, or writing.

Imagine Fallout 3's problems, but worse.
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Bethestards F U C K I N G D E S T R O Y E D

muh realism

It's really not realistic in any way.
The average person would be too stupid to craft most of the shit you craft in Fallout 4.

So you've played four of them basically?

I dunno, could be decent.

All I know is that the main draw to the fallout series was the "role playing" part. I won't claim that New Vegas was perfect, but it gave you a decent amount of choices when it came to sculpting your character's personality. 4 basically locks you in as "agreeable dad-guy" from the little I played of it. Gameplay might be decent, but if the gunplay is the only thing this game does well then why not just choose from one of the hundreds of other games that aren't made in bethesda's janky-ass engine.
Also, I don't understand bethesda's obsession with long intros that establish how awesome and special you are.

>Likes morrowind
>Posts animu smug faces
I stand by my prior statement.

The RPG elements got fucked. Most convos end the same no matter what you pick. New Vegas every convo had multiple ways for it to go.

because it deceived the rpg fans and tried to appeal to fps retards

It's linear as fuck and forces you into picking 1 of 3 factions that where there really should be no reason for conflict.

The NCR, Legion and House are ideologies that are incompatible that lead into direct conflict but more important for me, it makes sense they can't just sit down and talk out their opposing ideas.

The Railroad, Institute and BoS are head strong because they need to be. It's either slavery, freedom or genocide. There is no secondary thing to consider or drive any kind of deeper incentive to choosing a side. The reason there are NV threads that argue about the 4 outcomes and factions is that it's not cut and paste. NCR is on the surface the Railroad, freedom, but the NCR can be and is argued to have faults that are under the surface like corruption and greed, not just by those who oppose them but by their own members.

The Legion and Institute are pro slavery, but the Legion is proclaimed to bringing law into a lawless land, giving purpose and direction despite or because of its slavery and assimilation. The Institute are just a bunch of sealed off elitist that think they know better because they have technology. There's nothing there for me to care for their opinion besides 1 guy saying treating Synths as slaves are bad.

Mr. House and the BoS both promote technology as well, but this is where is gets confusing. The BoS wants to cleanse the Wasteland of technology they deem to be too dangerous, but their entire mission was the preservation of technology. Really they should be trying to reach out to the Institute to at least get some technology before blowing them up. Mr. House wants to make New Vegas a sovereign state and elevate humanity with business, technology and capital, but he has no wish to destroy any faction unless they pose a direct threat to his plan, like the BoS. You can persuade him otherwise to every other faction he lists.

And really its that lack of interaction that makes me not give a shit who wins out. I can't alter anything, and instead just do what they want me to. I can talk down Laninus or Oliver instead of fighting them. I can make the Legion be ruled by Caeser or Laninus. I can make Hanlon commit suicide or allow his plans to disrupt the NCR's forces. I can do any of these things and care because there are reason to care.

Where to care in F4? That a bunch of Synths are enslaved? I don't care about them, not because I don't like robots or any rights they may have. Because the choice given to me is so black and white and there is no grey to consider.

All I say that I've been playing for 60 hours and I still don't give a fuck about the baby.

Because I've been playing since 1 and my ideal Fallout looks like this. Fallout 4 is just STALKER for people with no taste.

Also the game will get 20+ points in its favor is BETHESDA JUST RELEASES THE FUCKING GECK

A big reason people still play NV is the mods. If they just let people make their own campaigns, stories and everything NV has, then the game itself will be good.

Is that some Van Buren?

This is the worst.

I know the writers intended for me to care about finding Shaun, but the game constantly bombards you with encouragements to just wander the wasteland spending hours looking for junk instead.

>But what about my son and getting revenge?
>Shh don't worry about all that, anyway I heard about a settlement that needs help.

>Infiltrate the Institute while working for the Railroad
>Become the Director after Shaun dies from dick cancer
>Cannot tell the Railroad that you run the Institute now and that Desdemona can chill out, you have to still nuke it just because

I mean come the fuck on Bethesda

Praise Geraldo.

>gameplay

Do you mean gunplay?

>The game was officially canceled when Titus decided to try to improve Interplay's console division. This led to a nearly completed Fallout 3 being canceled.

Fucking consoles always ruining things.

They improved graphics and gunplay. The world is really immersive. I played it 18 hours the day it launched. They added settlements which I fuck around with sometimes when I'm drunk.

They butchered quests in the main game. Dialog system is shit. Weapons are ass, I only keep five with me and don't touch anything else unless one is dropped better of one of my current weapons. It's a huge step back from New Vegas, which they didn't develop but they sure as shit could've learned from. It's not a bad game, it's just disappointing.

Its hated because people wanted New Vegas 2 and cant really appreciate the game for what it is

Oh fuck I forgot about that part

It's the little faults that accumulate to major problems with the game

Also why doesn't the BoS or Anther react to you wearing ENCLAVE ARMOR. THE ARMOR OF THE ENEMY

>Yeah there's that article mentioning how eerily similar some parts from the Far Harbor (I think that's the one) DLC were from something a modder produced for FNV.
Could you link the mod?

An okay game? It's no New Vegas, and the took eight steps back from it.

Get rid of most of the "There is no why" for the institute, and bring back the old dialog system

90% of the failings in Fallout 4 is because of the Institute and I blame that you can't really ask for more since all you got for choices is "yes, no, sarcastic yes, vague asking for information." You can't ask Why for a lot of things and you can't argue your case for anything

>"The people up there are savages and will never rebuild"
>[Minutemen] "I've scoured the wasteland and single handily rebuilt over three dozen settlements and that's just in the past month."

Shit like that. I want to be able to ARGUE with people

It's not boring the first 30 areas you discover, and then you realize it's literally the same shit repeated even more and you just wasted 20 hours of your life being semi not bored but kinda bored

>Tfw can't roleplay in these games at all because Bethesda is shit

My head Canon involved the SS being a war hero like he is in fallout 4 but he was discharged or got injured. He was a perfect soldier that loved to kill, battle was in his blood.

When he got injured he settled down and had a family. Every day he wished he could go back to fight again. His bloodlust could not be quenched. Now he just sits in his boring house with his ugly clay face kid and goes to the park.

Bombs fall, cryo sleep, wife dead, kid missing. He has nothing tying him down anymore. And in a lawless world he can finally enjoy what he was meant to do without punishment. Doesn't even care his family is dead. All he wants to do is create his own faction out of sanctuary slowly building up his followers due to his high charisma, pre war knowledge, and combat prowess. Forms the New World Order and gets the world back on track to not being fucked by starting the largest empire known to man.

But no, I have to constantly whine about muh son, muh wife, muh vengeance, muh morals. This is the shit that has made video games stagnate for the last half decade and get worse with time rather than evolving.

Theme song for my dream roleplay scenario:
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>The gameplay here is 100x better than the previous Fallouts
No it isn't.

:^)

meant for

Same reason they don't react when you bring in Strong or Nick. Street cred I guess

Consoles truly are the cancer killing video games.

Atleast it has overhead like the originals. Jesus Brotherhood of steel is more faithful to the original fallout then 4.

Gameplay isn't better and the rest of the game fucking sucks.

Oh that makes me the most angry. Bethesda tried to give the SS a story but also tried to keep the Blank Slate thing, and it just didn't work. I might have been OK with having a protagonist with a story if they fucking did anything with it

>He could have commented on places he used to know in the past, like feeling somber when he passes the church he got married in
>He could have had some old friends that became Ghouls and reminisce with them (Like the Vault Tech Rep but actually mattering beyond being a settler
>Could have shown how brainwashed Pre-War Americaland was by his blind hatred of anything foreign or admiring the BOS for preserving what's left of the US military

But no, the entire idea of him being a person is dropped as soon as you leave the vault. The only time it comes up are the "By the way I'm from a vault" conversation options that happen every so often. Outside of that he's just a walking "where's my son" button

Ironically Fallout 4 takes more inspiration and influence from BoS than Fallout 1 or 2, or even New Vegas. The whole leveling and perk system was lifted directly from it.

So fucking true. The only thing like this is when you bring companions back to the vault to look at your wife's radroach ravaged corpse as if that is a logical thing for anyone to do.

Let alone the fact that piper somehow still knows you're a vault dweller even if you tell her the media is shit, you its none of her business why you're in diamond city, etc. And decides to do a story in you. Which again has no fucking effect on the world. At least in Skyrim people would be like "oi did you here there's a fucking dragonborn mate?" "Fuck off ye cunt, that's fairytale nonsense"

Fallout 4 is not an RPG it's an FPS with a dialogue wheel and a number measurement for how strong each gun is

>Paladin danse asks where I came from
>Pass speech check to not have to tell him
>Fast forward to later
>Doing medical exam for brotherhood
>They somehow know I am pre-war
Quality writing bethesda, why did you even put the fucking speech check in the first place then?

>nearly completed
Any chance of a leak so that dedicated fans can finish it? Probably not since it's been years, but I guess a man can dream...

There's a full fan remake going on, but who knows when will it finish.

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I was trying to be so careful about being pre war. I gave up at that point. Here i was thinking there was going to be some deeper side story about your truth and others reacting to it, maybe trying to exploit you subtlety.

Ha.

Give us the GECK Todd you fuck

I started with the 'collect everything, make multiple trips' to 'play properly'. At first, after I'd wasted 3 hours in that type of method I just consoled weight limit endlessly.

The game broken quest lines multiple times and without the ability to reset or forcefully end them I'd literally have been stuck or had to revert hours.

The usual RPG elements were fucking gutted. Followers were still full retard, but a bit better than some previous gamebyro titles. Dialog gutted to fucking nothing, I couldn't do a no combat play through at all.

Gun play in real time was improved to a 2006~ standard. Which made vats fucking pointless after a few levels.

Visually not better than skyrim, in some aspects worse. Weak as shit story, create you're own character but have little freedom of response. It breaks most attempts at RP outside of the guide rails it sets.

Building gimmick was very meh, like the rest of the game not polished.

It's not the worst game ever, it's not the best game ever. There's just no reason to play it again.