#Augslivesmatter

Remember when Deus ex was about conspiracy theories?

>Concept art for Deus Ex: Mankind Divided features a reference to protest group Black Lives Matter, with a protester depicted holding up a sign reading "Aug Lives Matter."

>Developed by Eidos Montreal's team of artists, the series of concept pieces aims to show what the world would look like following the "aug incident," the climactic event that took place at the end of Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Publisher Square Enix has already been criticized for it describing the prejudice faced by the augmented humans featured in Mankind Divided's story as a "mechanical apartheid," with it now drawing on more examples of real-world prejudice in order to continue to hammer home its social commentary.

>The artwork, shown above, features a protester holding up the sign "Aug Lives Matter" in a futuristic recreation of the city of Moscow, a clear reference to the anti-racism protest group Black Lives Matter. In another image, a closed-off area that shares similarities to a refugee camp features the message "build bridges not walls" spray-painted on its floor which, when you consider that one of the key policies of US presidential candidate Donald Trump is to build a wall between the US and Mexico to prevent immigration, could be a nod to the current political climate in the States.

I'm so fucking mad right now.

So wait, Augs are a terrorist group now? Bold direction.

will it ever end Sup Forums?

heh

I've already cancelled my pre order. I had this feeling the game would go down this path. Fuck this and fuck augs.

the pro-racism protest group Black Lives Matter

>some buzzfeed-tier site
>implications out the ass purposely connecting to current events
wew

>Russia
>placards written in English
BLYAT

>getting mad over this kind of shit
Fiction, especially fatnasy and since fiction, is where people look for things they'll never get in real life.

E.g.
>I look for space travel because I'm sad I was born too early to ever experience it in reality.
>Similarly, feminists look for strong, competent female role models.
>Lefties look for a world in which their beliefs are validated by reality.
>And you look for waifus for self-explanatory reasons.

This wasn't even something questionable or obscure, from the very announcement of Mankind Divided it was pretty obvious they were going to focus mainly on societal issues.

The entire set-up of the game revolves around a terrorist group of augs.

The main issue here is whether Ubisoft's incredibly liberal writing team can actually present the world and issues in it in a compelling and balanced manner, or if the writing will all fall to one side or the other without dealing with the intricacy of society.

Which, based on a few red flags in Human Revolution, it's more likely to believe it won't.

The game is going to be pro-immigration, pro-diversity, and all that jazz. That's not inherently a bad thing, but I feel like the Deus Ex series can explore these themes in a more complex manner than we're likely going to get.

You guys look into it from the wrong side.
It's actually funny if you know Russian politics, that artist is from eastern europe or knows enough.

Ubisoft has nothing to do with this game or HR.

>The game is going to be pro-immigration, pro-diversity, and all that jazz.
if it's is like HR it's going to give you a choice
like with that drug thief or that police investigation

>Ubisoft's incredibly liberal writing team can actually present the world and issues in it in a compelling and balanced manner

You mean SE, but yes I agree with you and now that you mention it, I'm kind of worried. I haven't been following any twitter drama but I assume the devs are pretty active in that area.

This would be fucking amazing if they handled it in a certain way. Imagine how furious people would get if the "Augs Life Matter" groups in the game are actually fronts for government-funded terrorist organizations, and how various media corporations are willingly working alongside shady government groups to censor brutal aug terrorism and crimes.

They could go even further and say that "aug acceptance" is a ploy by MJ12 to undermine modern civilization and create a class of desperate dependents that are powerless to do anything but unwittingly follow the will of their masters

>You will never play a deus ex game that focuses 100% on the worlds craziest conspiracy theories
>you will never sneak into Bohemian grove as Paul Denton
>you will never go under the foot of the sphinx to find evidence of alien technology
>you will never infiltrate the dulce underground base going floor by floor deeper underground only to find an alien base where humans are coming ducting experiments with them and sharing knowledge
>you will never come across an mk-ultra lab in some off the path dilapidated building in NYC

>instead you will fight da Powah #augslivesmatter social justice movements

Fucking Canadians

Deus Ex: Zodiac

ITT: Everyone is baited by Internet media click bait and forgets you can just run around murdering everyone with robot arms.

I'm pretty sure "Aug lives matter" and such won't be presented as an entirely good group. Probably good intentioned but extremists who kill people and shit. Haven't looked into Mankind Divided's storyline but didn't one of the trailers had Adam fighting some protesters/terrorists?

I meant Square Enix

Not to mention look at how THIEF turned out, while it wasn't exactly the same team the studio incredibly adamant about politicizing that world as well.

Giving choice is good, but what matters most is how the options are written.

There's a big difference between a realistic conflict where you can dig into both sides mindsets and understand where they're coming from compared to a shallow conflict where everyone wants equality and some big bad man just wants everyone but one group to be slaves or something poorly conceived like that.

b-but muh controversy

Neat

Stop, you are making me mad and wish for a game like this.

>>you will never go under the foot of the sphinx to find evidence of alien technology
literally serious sam

Why do leftards have to do this?

Why do they always have to inject their racism analogs into everything fantasy and sci-fi?

The main antagonists are a group of pro-aug terrorists yea.

I'm half expecting the big twist to be that they're being funded by some illuminati fucks to destabalize things for some reason or some other similar to how certain billionaire's do the same with protests and movements in recent history except to a more successful and actually relevant extent in Deus Ex

>"we want games to be more politically conscious and aware of wider social issues!"
>game does that
>"THIS IS PROBLEMATIC YOU FUCKING SHITLORDS"

>Science fiction used as a vehicle for exploring ideas relevant to present day issues
Has never happened before, no siree.

>"we want games to be more politically conscious and aware of wider social issues!"

I never said this.

I don't want sci-fi games to be ham-fisted "racism is bad mmmkay?" analogs.

Racism and such has been explored in fantasy and sci fi since fucking forever

Difference being people like Heinlein weren't "progressive" fuckwits. Look at the protag's view of Earth in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, especially race ("some people seemed to say it didn't matter at all, which was odd, and others seemed to say it was everything, which also was odd.")

You didn't, but the exact same kind of people who are criticizing this for being "tone-deaf" are the same ones who want exactly that out of games.

see
Racism is not inherently bad. In Peter F. Hamilton's books, many planets are intended for specific ethnic groups for example.

I
JUST
WANT
TO
PLAY
FUCKING
VIDEOGAMES

Stop hamfisting your high-school tier political opinions into your shit games and make something fun, god damnit. I have a PhD in Political Science and could write thousands upon thousands of words about terrorism and international politics and the philosophical basis for cosmopolitanism, but I don't bring it up at dinner parties because
NOBODY
FUCKING
CARES

To be fair, The Witcher did this with "non-humans", but Elves are shown to be complete assholes and just as bad if not worse, so that balances it out.

Science Fiction can excel at exploring real world issues though, but I agree.

The issue ultimately will come down to if the writing for the game is strong and intelligent instead of biased and simplistic

May be just me, but I never felt like any agenda was pushed in HR. Hell, the only ending that felt right for me was the suicide one because all the other options felt just wrong. Unlike, say, ME3 where they WANTED you to choose green ending over blue or red ending.

>social commentary is fine as long as it's from the political group i agree with

>Augs Lives Matters

Did pic related make this sign?

>ham-fisted trite social commentary

Has any game ever done this well?

Maybe you should avoid game series that are plot heavy and stick with playing Overwatch or something

>implying we want any kind of social commentary on a Deus Ex game
We want conspiracies, secret societies, shady groups, alien technology, ancient prophecies, those sort of things

as long as i dont have to take part in the niggerism, its fine.
i can see adam despising these roboniggers like some niggers despise blmniggers

You're not talking about the execution or how the ideas are presented, but outright saying "that guy did it right, cause unlike these, his beliefs were right"

This is going to blow back on Eidos badly. The BLM professional race-baiters DESPISE people stealing "muh matters". These faggots bitched when terror attacks took media attention away from them.

I don't actually agree with Heinlein at all, as I'm not a libertarian, but he still presented his social commentary in an interesting way.

And the problem is that 21st century media is just so completely and uniformly left-liberal in its tone. There's no plurality whatsoever. Most of what you watch or play has a soft left viewpoint pushed again and again. For example, any time a racial dynamic is explored, it's a white "oppressor" or an analog of a "white oppressor" and a non-white "victim".

>>Lefties look for a world in which their beliefs are validated by reality.
I wish there was a game about the class struggle and the workers seizing the means of production.

No libtard, I don't think Heinlein's views were right. Libertarians and myself generally disagree on everything, but he at least didn't pander to the narrative of non-white victimhood like virtually everyone does today.

Adam's VA is viciously liberal

I think he would actually have left the project if they had him read dialogue for a character that understood there's a difference between normal black people and niggers.

>a Deus Ex game without social commentary

...Have you played any of them before?

Why do people get so irate about Trump's wall? The only people it would keep out are illegals.

Plot heavy =/= hamfisted proselytising

The group identity of "worker" is a social construct. Very few people identify as a "worker" first and their race second. Go and ask a few Chinese or Japanese working class people if they prioritize their SES above their racial identity for example.

Even Trotsky was sympathetic to Zionism, and he was supposedly the most "internationalist" of all the gommies.

You could go jack off to WH40k or something

>unIronically using nigger this many times

Because they think a scenario where tens of millions of people illegally settle in your country and are all periodically given mass amnesty is normality, when it's only normality as applied to Western Europe and North America.

I should have specified, social commentary that's bigger than just "uu racyysst", the original had social commentary on big things like how power has become centralized on the government, becoming a tool to control people instead of the establishment that people should use to govern themselves, for example. That kind is good, I don't care about left or right propaganda crap, I don't care about niggers in the US, I want to explore more universal concepts.

>augs chimp out and kill tens of thousands of people, millions in property damage
>basically fucked up the entire world by themselves
>normal people (i.e. the majority) freak out and start treating augs like the dangerous people they are
>"aug lives matter, we dindu nuffin"

It's like pottery

>ITT people act like they know anthing about the first game

>Being racist is edgy
>America is a white supremacist society

Pick one, nagger.

>Not to mention look at how THIEF turned out, while it wasn't exactly the same team the studio incredibly adamant about politicizing that world as well.

How do you fuck up thief? Seriously? The lore is enough to work with.

You have 3 factions in the city that are vying for supremacy, each having their own reasons to exert control over people in an industrialized, steampunk world.
And in the middle of all of this, a reluctant protagonist, a talented thief who wants to simply pay his rent.

There is enough to make a whole new game and even introduce new elements, new worlds to the universe.
>Imagine the world completely transitioning into a fully industrialized world.
>Or a Caribbean inspired area
What a missed opportunity. All those years waiting was a slap in the face.

Trump's wall is quite possibly the dumbest fucking thing ever pushed on the american public.

First of all, if by chance he did win, I'm going to bet the whole idea will become a "metaphorical" wall that boils down to stricter immigration/citizenship laws.

Second, if it's not metaphorical, you would still have people finding ways to get into the country. A literal wall isn't going to do shit, there is simply too much land to guard.

If you're asking why liberals in particular get so pissy about it, it's because they're shitheads that like to get upset about forced conflicts.

>Second, if it's not metaphorical, you would still have people finding ways to get into the country. A literal wall isn't going to do shit, there is simply too much land to guard.

Incorrect. Israel's wall has worked for them. Granted it's a much smaller land area, but denying the principle of idea, in that walls generally keep people out, is bullshit.

It reminds me of Americans who say that being strict on drugs doesn't work, and point to their own war on drugs, without realizing that American drug laws are actually, in a global context, pretty goddamn permissive.

If you look at a state like Singapore, then that's a place with genuinely harsh, deterrent-effect laws on drugs that DO work.

>crying about people saying nigger on Sup Forums

Kill yourself, holy shit how embarrassing

Liberals are a fucking plague

>A literal wall isn't going to do shit, there is simply too much land to guard.

t. El Chapo

What that sign says doesn't concern me too much.
What does trigger my autism are those buildings.

this setup actually seems like a great catalyst for some conspiracies but because some cuck wrote an article drawing parrallels to something you don't like you sperg the fuck out

bravo retard

I don't think it's about the topic but about how it's handled. I think they can make something interesting with the whole aug thing, specially since it's not even a race thing. Didn't think anything was badly handled in HR.

that's not concept art you mong. That's some art the artists created in their spare time

>Mexicans haven't invented ladders

You'd need some Pacific Rim sized wall (that goes deep underground too) to actually stop them crossing.

It's a symbolic gesture.

CHI

>people got mad at "mechanical apartheid"
>turned out a lead writer on the game was a black south african who had experienced apartheid for himself

lol
literally all I have to say

this guy is black?

>The game's art director Jonathan Jacques-Belletete previously complained about the controversy surrounding its use of the term mechanical apartheid, telling Polygon: "It’s a form of art, the people outside don’t think it’s art, it’s just stupid games. We’re fighting against those people. And then when we’re dealing with serious subjects suddenly we’re treated as little kids that are just doing video games again. This whole thing is completely ridiculous."

Muh art

Gee I guess the original game was just too redpilled for the liking of kikes.

Gotta tone down all the true shit otherwise we may have a problem!

Conspiracy Theorist here.

Actually its pretty accurate because its a PREQUEL.

Just like Feminism and Social Justice are useful idiots to the Powers That Be so are the Augs in the Deus Ex Universe. Only with that amount of retardation they could create the proper dystopia.

I give it a 10/10.

>experienced apartheid

You mean experienced better living standards than contemporary RSA?

The horror!

How the fuck is a wall NOT going to work?

Seriously, what do you dumbshits expect will happen? This might be hard to imagine, but for people to illegally immigrate to the US they have to actually physically enter the US. If I put a fuck-off huge wall in their way what the fuck are they gonna do?

>but they can get around it by doing X
Yeah, at a huge cost in time and money and potentially in a far less secure manner, making it easier for us to catch the fewer people who try.

You're the exact same as the fucking morons who say we can't stop murder so we might as well stop trying.

lel

What about that post wasn't ironic?

>Implying blm isnt a conspiracy
>Implying deus ex hasnt always been secretly redpilled

SUCC

WE

They can get around it, but it is going to make it much, much harder.

There used to be a minefield in Western Thrace (Greece's border with Turkey) and migrants never risked it, well hardly ever (some got blown up lel).

Since the EU told Greece to get rid of it, it has become a much larger transit point.

But BLM is rumored as hidden nigger militant group, you think the police shooting is random?

This dude's got it and I really hope that's what they're going with.

If the game is still left-leaning, but not retardly biased, they'll explain how all these radical forces are making people more divided and hate each other because illuminati want it or something because it makes the public easier to control.

That might not be the most intelligent break down of societal conflicts going on but it'd work fine enough for the Deus Ex universe.

>all these poster unaware of what days as is thinking it'll just be cheap liberal pandering.
At least look at a walkthrough or something, the game takes place in a cyberpunk setting.
Class/race discrimination has always been a core theme of these works.

Yeah man all about the conspiracies. Can't wait to find out for the fourth time that the Illuminati are behind it.

I have no problem with politics, morals, religion, etc in video games, what I do have problems with is when they just try to force modern versions of these ideas. Think about how the setting works on BUILD on top of that, not just copy-paste bullshit.

I don't think it matters that these are themes.

I just want a piece of media that asks the question "is discrimination actually bad?"

Most of us accept, on some implicit level, that discrimination is positive.

At least he's not taking the "progressive" cop out

Cool
Can't wait to play as dick ass jenson and sabotage them

A minefield?

Hell a wall is fucking nice compared to something dangerous like that

Young, self-important amateur writers love hamfisted allegories. What else is new?

Are they ever NOT behind things?
Just once I'd like to hear a story where illuminaties are either the good guys or for once just as confused as the protags about current events.

that's super problematic, toxic and gross

yall need to stop appropriating black culture and get woke for real fAm *shakes my head, starts twerking, shoots 9mm hi-tech in air*