WoW: Legion Vs FFXIV: A realm reborn

Which one of these is better. It's hard to tell right now cause legion still isn't out but let's just look at the core mechanics and best case scenarios.

WoW

ffxiv

back to square one I see

WoW has really tuned PvP, especially now that stats only do so much.

It's also getting a further set of talents, plus artifact unlocks.

ffxiv is the better product

as long as you faggots aren't trying to derail threads anymore I don't care what the fuck you play

Mythic+ is the only interesting looking thing about legion.

Hopefully Yoshi copies it if it works out.

In all honesty WoW is more fun to play. I haven't played either in years but i played them both a lot. PvP is WoW is also very underrated, or at least it was years ago. Dunno what it's like now

2.5 second GCD vs Actual fun

Hmm I wonder

>Decide to PvP with a monk thinking it'll be like a rogue
>turns out its just like a rogue without stealth, vanish, sap or anything else that made them actually useful
>quit the game forever

Did pvp ever get better?

>monks

Was there anything about pandaland expansion that didn't just suck?

from what I hear people liked patch 5.2

Color.

Lei motherfucking shen the thunder God

>opinions
FFXIV has more story & it feels better to play one character (ie no alts needed for each class/job). 2.5gcd sucks.
WoW feels mechanically more satisfying to play but will never be as good as it was 9-10 years ago.

Shas were pretty neat

They're both the same themepark garbage that we've all played a million times before. A few new features isn't gonna change that.

Sup Forums choice = WoW
Sup Forums choice = final fantasy

MoP
+Colorful and vibrant aesthetic
+Pandas, love them or hate them, rose the game to a new graphical standard as far as models and animations went
+Interestingly written plot arc, background and characters
+Continent is large, varied, and full of out of the way locations to explore and secrets to find
+Challenge modes were a nice change from typical heroics and the cosmetic rewards from challenge mode was very good (even if nobody cared about the prestige of having the fastest time)
+Monk class was well designed, all three specs were fun to play and had their own niche

-Normal and heroic mode dungeons were very easy
-Dungeons were once again linear corridors
-First tier of raiding was a slog
-Many players complained about there being too many dailies they felt they had to do
-Scenarios were an interesting experiment but ultimately players didn't like doing them over conventional dungeons
-5.1 and 5.3 did not add new dungeons or raids, instead adding a long (heavily gated) questline and a new BG respectively
-5.4 to 6.0 was the longest time between content patches in the game's history (until 6.2 to 7.0)
-The faux-chinese theme kept a ton of potential players away, feeling as though a letdown were guaranteed after the disappointing Cataclysm

MoP was a good expansion. Not perfect, but no expansion has been. It was absolutely bursting with content when compared to Cataclysm and WoD, and classes were fun to play.

WoW used to be better but now FFXIV is better after they rebooted it and Blizzard started putting WoW on life support updates.

FFXIV has better graphics, cutscene production value, better story, better consistent released major updates, better class design in PVE, better crafting system by far, a well optimized game client isn't 12 years old, and loads of options and accessibility.

WoW has better PVP, better hardcore raids, more fun items like noggenfogger and selfie cameras, and you can pay for your sub with gold. That's about it.

>FFXIV has better graphics
>better class design in PVE

FF is fucking garbage, who are you kidding

>muh "collect 10 boar assholes" game is better than your "collect 10 boar assholes" game!

They're both shit. Go try a sandbox game.

Not an argument; and both of those statements are quantifiably true

Well it's true FF does have better graphics and class design. WoW still has textures from 2004 and their class design is horribly shit at the moment. Ret Paladins are just worse arms warriors, Druids will always be OP in any content, Mages will always be top DPS, and with the amount of spec pruning they are doing the game is getting more and more casual and punishing people who actually put effort into playing well (Monk)

I main a monk, how exactly am I being punished for playing well?

There's always going to be classes that generally perform better than others, it's unavoidable. And when you say "druids will always be OP" what you mean is resto druids

As much as I want FFXIV to be better I still get more enjoyment out of WoW despite being a shadow of its former self and being barely recognizable from what it used to be. Even with the abilities being pruned I still enjoy the combat of WoW a shit ton more. The game also has alot of content, having the advantage of living on a bunch of expansion releases for years.

Also I got extremelly bothered by fences or rocks you can't jump over in FFXIV and every area being small instances. I enjoy a seamless big world far more. Even if WoW has a bunch of big continents split into different instances now. But at least you can go to the next zone without having to face a loading screen. Shit like that is what I love the most and actually makes me feel far more immersed than seeing my character transfer to a different area.

Alas I can't enjoy WoW anymore, but FFXIV made me appreciate the game a bit more. While FFXIV is a good MMO I don't think it's the far better alternative that people make it out to be. The raids are fun and the job system used to be good until it was ruined with Heavensward.

Also I do appreciate eastern games far more, but I honestly can't enjoy FFXIV more than I did with WoW even in its current state.

Mate, I've played both final fantasy and wow. Wow has far better art direction than final fantasy does, you can argue that old zones look like shit and that's true, but WoD content and MoP both look great.

FFXIV is better, most of the people I know who still play WoW play it because they invested so much time and money into it and can't quit now.

Kind of like some LoL players I know that refuse to switch to Dota 2 for the same reason.

Probably because in both cases the more popular game is actually the better one.

FF14 is the only MMO worth playing.

Not in this case, WoW and LoL are shit now. Dota and FFXIV are the objectively better games but nostalgia and investment makes people disagree.

>themepark MMO
>worth playing
Pick one. I mean, if you said EVE or something I'd sympathize but FFXIV/WoW are dogshit

How are they objectively better games?

FFXIV has significantly better PvE and end game gear progression

WoW has significantly better PvP

I like FFXIV more and honestly don't understand why people like Wow that much, especially with the recent skill pruning

WoW has garbage art direction. Everything is a Warhammer ripoff. Every character has giant shoulder pads including fucking priests like they are about to play some bloodbowl.

Subbed to both, XIV has the superior combat by far (classes are still complex and require more than 5 buttons) but WoW has more things to do.

wow by a large margin

both are pretty bad

>muh realistic armor in a fantasy game
fucking hysterical, neck yourself.

Sandbox MMOs are never worth playing. at least with themeparks you can have some sort of fun even if it's a short while.

Good luck catching up to space sim autists that spent thousands of dollars and hours into the game

Just a reminder that WoW just received a update after not getting one for over a year.

People actually pay a monthly sub fee to get once a year content.

They're both good. Roll with FFXIV if you like the Eastern aesthetic, playing on one character, crafting, and more structured/slower, but equally complex rotation combat. Roll WoW if you like the Blizzard aesthetic, making multiple characters, PvP, and more strictly timed rotation combat.
FFXIV is also more character story driven while WoW is more world story driven. Other than that it's ultimately the same game.

1.5s GCD vs 2.5 GCD

Hmmmm

>timed rotation combat
>wowfags actually believe this
Have you even played legion?

>sandbox MMOs are never worth playing
literally the only MMOs that sustain a community without going free2play/pay2win outside of WoW/FFXIV are RuneScape (sandbox), Eve Online (sandbox), Ultima Online (sandbox) Asheron's Call (sandbox), Haven and Hearth 2 (sandbox) and Project Gorgon (sandbox)

I would've added Age of Wushu in there if Snail didn't fuck up the business model. Also take note that themeparks aren't getting made anymore because devs realized that content can be run through far faster than it can be generated. It's smarter to give players a bunch of political/territory control/economic/social features to keep themselves occupied in addition to dungeons/raids and shit like that.

I have, have you?

all I'm asking for is armor to not look retarded. Why does priest tier sets need fucking candles and bells with giant shoulders? Why do rogues need blood sloshing around in their shoulderpads, wouldn't that be detriment to them sneaking around?

I'm all for unrealistic armor but in WoW case it's just retarded and looks like something that would appeal to a edgy little kid.

>WoW: Legion Vs FFXIV: A realm reborn

0/10

the armor has looked retarded since vanilla WoW in 2004. You picked the wrong game.

Yes and I'm playing a class advertised as "0 downtime" and all it is is keeping up 2 auras every 15 seconds, pressing one button to dump resources and pressing another to spend resources.

This is a two button rotation

heh just because FFXIV armor design is sleeker?
the armor design still looks retarded

pic related

Go play Gloria Victis. It's EVE's territory control, Mount&Blade's combat/aesthetic made by former CD Projekt Red devs from The Witcher 2

I play feral, I have an 8 button rotation

Regardless of how many actions the rotation requires, WoW's interface is naturally less forgiving on inputs than FFXIV. It's not even about the 2.5 GCD meme; even if you take into account OGCD abilities, FFXIV server ticks and ability queuing make your rotation much less timing-based than WoW.

I got to level 40 in ARR before I couldn't take anymore of it, the combat is just so fucking sluggish due to the GCD. I thought I could get used to it but after like 5000 hours in WoW the faster and more responsive pace is burnt into my brain.

I think the content that's there is better that what current WoW offers hands down, but the gameplay just isn't there IMO.

>Let's look at the best case scenario in a game with three consencutive BAD expansions in row

That's some hardcore fanboyism

MoP was fucking excellent mate, far better than Cata and WoD (though the latter ain't saying much).

Most batshit fun PVP seasons too, and it was at the point where every class has their highest number of abilities in history.

Fuck pruning.

>using that as an example
Why not post something players actually wear?

...

I couldn't stand the GCD at first until I realized you could chain oGCD attacks, and they give you a fuckton of them later on with cooldowns just short enough that they come up just in time to not feel sluggish in endgame combat.

The worst part about WoW armor hasn't even been mention yet. It's that cloth armor or any type of armor for that matter looks like plate. There's no distinction anymore, just look at rogue gear. Everyone wears plate armor pretty much, they should just swap every armor type to plate.

does this really look like plate to you?

Runescape has tons of private servers and has free play servers, Eve Online caters to a very niche untapped audience which is space sim autists (Star Citizen will kill EvE), and the rest of those games you mentioned literally no one cares about today.

>all that metallic texturing
Yes. It does look like plate mixed with cloth

>2.5 GCD
This meme really needs to stop.

he complained about the art design
while I agree that most new armor designs are pretty fucking bad. That does not change the fact that some armor designs in XIV are dumb as shit too.

Shoulderpads and all the gold colored shit is obviously made of metal. This is the retarded part.
Even if there is some cloth there, it's laced with metal everywhere.

Can you bet a cute cat boy in WoW? No? didn't think so

3 abilities in your core rotation vs 20 abilities

Guess which one is not made for casual retards

1.) There is no "pay2win" in RuneScape. You're either a member or you're not. Free is basically a trial and membership is basically a subscription fee

2.) Awful prediction. EVE will be around 20-30 years from now, even if Star Citizen achieves everything it sets out to do.

3.) They're old but they're still sustainable enough to keep running with live teams making new content to support them.

Also, these games are the most fondly remember MMOs ever made. There hasn't been a AAA sandbox released since Star Wars Galaxies (shut down by EA because they only wanted one Star Wars MMO running, being remade from scratch right now by SWGEmu team) and EVE Online in 2003

The sandbox is coming back and it'll be bigger than ever. Collect 10 boar assholes games are dead.

>it's a Sup Forumslizzard and FFXIV shitflinging contest
just accept the true patrician mmo.....

I stopped playing WoW when Cata dropped. I've been playing FFXIV since patch 2.3

From my experience from both, I enjoy FFXIV more. The devs on FFXIV team seem more honest to their players than Blizzard. In their live letter streams, they address community answers and give reasoning to why things happen or not. With Blizzard, they are so fucking cryptic when it comes to answering questions and in many cases they patronize their consumers (you think you do but you don't, X class is fine we know more about balance than the world first pve/pvp players, etc)

>playing corean mmos

why?
isn't it true?

FFXIV fags cant admit to anything bad about their shitty ass boring game, at least wow players know that their game has gone to waste.

>Collect 10 boar assholes games are dead.
Isn't that still every mmo ever?

>not playing the best mmo ever created

I would go and say post Cata the armor started looking completely fucking retarded.

>FFXIV has better story

You're joking, right? You gotta be. Nothing Lolis-Politicing-The-World can muster is able to hold a candle to astronomical extra-dimensional threats vying for ownership of the universe.

Most DPS classes have skills that lower their GCD and most of their gear get skill speed.

MNK and NIN for example are like 1.8 or 1.9 instead of 2.5 and that with all their off GCD skills (which is a fuck ton).

All I got from this post was
>muh sandbox mmos will not be extinct anymore, just you watch!!

how many people are online in it?

this would be goat as single player
well, now it IS single player :^)

Fucking this. All of the invisible walls and lack of a seamless world is really off putting. That and the leveling is fucking terrible and the combat seems a lot slower.

it's great both ways

FFXIV story is about a demigod among gods slaying old primals

WoW story is all over the place. First it's about being a small soldier in a big faction, now it's about being the Jesus Christ amongst your faction and class hall that has to fight against holy corrupted demons and villains that were "merely set back".

I sub back to WoW when I'm bored to waste time. I sub back to FFXIV for the story and progression. WoW is easier to jump back into and probably more "fun" (the laziest and empties qualifier in the English language) but ARR is vastly superior in all technical qualities.

Fanboy? I'm just saying we assume that blizzard actually delivers on the content promised in legion for the sake of comparison.

If I was a fanboy I wouldn't even be considering Final Fantasy.

Non Weebshit vs Weebshit

Choice is pretty clear.

it is still slow as fuck
even the 1.5 gdc in wow is terrible at times

Is that an argument in favour of WoW?

cool so you have adhd and you must press a button every .5s to get satisfaction

Well, we are not talking of "5 button rotation" Wow here though.

People will readily admit Square needs to add more content with their patch cycles and need to do better with the PvP systems and add properly thought out diversions and other actual problems.
The "2.5s" meme literally stops mattering once you start going past Lv50, and that's being conservative.

yes I dont like sitting not playing a game

Seriously, why do you guys do this everyday for every 3 hours?

We get it they are top MMO right now but why?

He said FFXIV, not TERA.

WoW's story is about two factions who hate each other's guts having to fight off threats that range from planet eating Void Lords and their avatars, an endless army of demons led by a living world who wants nothing short of the destruction of all life in the physical universe, and now a third party revealing itself to be the Light, which is in the middle of some dubious lore inside of itself.

It's not about the war itself, but rather that despite having the whole universe against them these two factions are still fighting for their lives until the one thing that can save them emrges from the planet itself.

themeparks aren't getting made anymore, developers figured out "Hey, there's a reason why people unsubscribe between expansions, it's a better idea to give players the tools to create their own experiences than rely on us completely". There's a reason why there are people that have played Ultima Online for 19 years without letting their subscription lapse even a single day. There's a reason why I can always log into a sandbox game and have a fun, unique experience every single day.

Every single kickstarted MMO is a sandbox. Every prominent upcoming AAA Eastern MMO is a sandbox and the AAA MMO scene in the West is deader than shit.

There hasn't been a sandbox MMO since 2003, that's changing next year with Crowfall/Chronicles of Elyria/Star Citizen/Gloria Victis/Albion Online/Shards Online/Shroud of the Avatar