Fighting Games sales

Best selling video game franchises:

1st: Tekken
2nd: Super Smash Bros (Smash 4 is by far the best selling in the current generation of games though)
3rd: Street Fighter
4th: Mortal Kombat

Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

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>Fighting Games
>Smash 4

Objectively defined as a fighting game, just not a traditional one.

It was at EVO for a reason.

Are these sales numbers supposed to mean something to me?

the reason was they buy their way in and make things cheaper for everyone else.
it's not a fighting game

Mario Kart and Catherine were also at Evo at one point or another.

It's a game where two opponents pick a character and fight against each other with that character.

It has every single definitive characteristic of a "fighting game", its just not a traditional one.

Does anyone want to play kof?

>Buy there way in
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So is JoJo EoH by that definition but you don't see players of that forcing their way into evo.

Revelator lobby when?

Never played that game.

But see, Smash is not just a fighting game by definition, it's also one of the most popular ones

When you buy me a copy. You only get vanilla lobby if you don't

Because nintendrones, it's not popular because it's a good fighting game. It's popular because hurr mario.

And SF is the only game the FGC actually plays. Once proves they don't matter in terms of sales.

It's not a fighting game though, it's a platform brawler, or whatever you wanna call it. It's not made mechanically to be competitive and it doesn't belong in FGC events.

Daily reminder that the guys who designed smash mechanically, do not recognize or support it as a fighting game, and the community is compromised of actual balding autists like M2K who can't understand jokes or context. Also people thinking muscle memory is a high-level skill lol.

but muh new faust colours.

No, it's also popular because the game itself is extremely fun.

I could say that SFV is popular mostly because it rides on the brand name of "street fighter", ya know. but then again, the sales of it are lower than smash

Not steamed as a main event. It's at the box area. Stop talking about shit you don't know about

what is the purpose of this thread

Why does this dumb fuck tripfaggot flood the board shilling smash

What do sales have to do with quality or genre? I bet you think Overwatch is an arena shooter.

Someone's got to be retarded enough to do it.

You mean it's basic and 90% of the playerbase is casuals.

Which one? Which platform?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros.

>"Super Smash Bros..... is a series of crossover fighting games published by Nintendo"

It's not defined as a "platform brawler", its legit a fighting game. furthermore, Smash is extremely competitive when it's played in a competitive way.

So 1v1 in League of Legends makes it a fighting game now too?

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Are you actually citing wikipedia for all of your arguments?

If i go on wikipedia and edit that line to say it's an rpg, does that make it an rpg?

choke on a dick and die retard

Smash is more in depth than traditional fighting games from my observation. it has more dynamic situations that can happen during the fight, and stage specific things that you need to know

It's not an easy game to master, at all. some chars are harder than others tho.

The fact there is a large casual playerbase is bcuz smash can be played both casually and competitively, depending on the settings. there is nothing wrong with that

Dogs and Wolves are technically the same species mate.
2d fighters and platform fighters are within the same family

>wikipedia
Nigger, it counts games like Mass Effect 3 and Persona 4 as RPGs, when they're clearly an action game with stats and an adventure game with a light exploration element respectively.

Honest question man. Why do you willingly come to a place where nobody agrees with you and nobody likes you?

It has every single definitive characteristic of a "fighting game"
No health bars. Really, I think Smash has more in common with a sumo game, since the goal is to knock people off of the screen, and this is coming from someone that likes Smash. Really, do any 2d fighting games include ringouts?

>autistic tripfag sucking nintendick
Why am I not surprised?

>citing wikipedia as the crux of you argument

You are legit the type of person that will say Zelda is an RPG because you "roleplay".

Pokemon is also extremely competitive when played in a competitive way, doesn't mean it's fucking well designed or impressive. Guess we should all start embracing clayfighters and shit because if you take it super seriously, it can be competitive. Also never ever forget that smash players are the most degenerate underage, unhygienic degenerates you'll meet.

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>Smash is more in depth than traditional fighting games from my observation
>a 2d party game has more depth than Virtua Fighter, a game where you do all of that shit, but in 3 dimensions
Nice try

It's a semi protected article, user

Well but smash really is a fighting game. give me one reason why its not

1. ive been liked here before and ive seen people agreeing with me
2. i wanted to talk.

SC I think.

Soul Calibur is not 2d

no one plays virtua fighter

3d doesnt instantly makes a game deeper mechanically user

You are dumb as fuck and I honestly think you are a disgusting person. As in, I honestly, heart feltedly, feel like the world would be a better place if you died, and I hope you do.

But smash i-
>4

>Smash is more in depth than traditional fighting games from my observation.
I like smash, but you haven't been observing for very long then. A lot of it is muscle memory movement options that don't take much thought, but cover tons of options like a ghetto OS. Unless you are talking about Smash 4, which is 100% pleb stuff and everyone is laughing at you.

Ive been professionally diagnosed as gifted and got accepted to a high-level boarding school.

chances are, that i'm more intelligent than you

>smash
>fighting game

youtube.com/watch?v=1sW2hiiG5Pk

>give me one reason why its not
Transferable skills. If I were to transition from SFIII to Garou, a bit of the concepts and ideas I learned from the game would carry over. Parrying is like Just guarding. The concept of okizeme. Even if I were to transfer from DoA to KoF, there would be transferable skills. The general idea of spacing. The abstract notion of rushdown. In the case of Smash, you have to delearn pretty much everything you know from fighting games.

Also, damage percentages and regular health really aren't comparable since you can keep fighting even with a high percent and can also theoretically die without taking any damage.
Even if this were true, it would not cancel out my argument. That's like saying "Shinto is less violent than Islam" then saying "YEAH, BUT THERE ARE MORE MOOSE LIMBS, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER!" as if the ideas in the former religion are anywhere near as violent as the latter. Most of Japan's tsujigiri mentality had nothing to do with shinto at all and was just samurai getting greedy with their kills. Anyway, I do play VF, actually. Just not very well since I don't have many people to practice with.
Trust me, you need a lot more skills to play VF and having to judge movements with another axis added does add to the depth. It's like the difference between a 2d rts like Starcraft being mostly remembering build orders and a 3d RTS like Planetary Annihilation involving much more tracking and judging of resource use.

Catherine was streamed as a main event one year though.

That being said anyone who calls smash not a fighting game is just salty because there aren't piss easy target combos to make you feel better about being terrible.

Why did they remove the fighting aspects from 4 anyway? Why would you limit it to just a party game?

This site is an 18+ website.

I was talking about smash4, which is in my opinion the best in the series.

If you think its just about muscle memory, you misunderstand the game. it requires you to have knowledge on stage positioning, adventage and disadventage states, spacing, punishing, trying to read your opponents and cover their options, playing mind-games with your opponents and baiting them....

The amount of depth Smash has is insane, you dont see it because you havent been following the scene

Why don't Japanese play smash competitively.

>In the case of Smash, you have to delearn pretty much everything you know from fighting games.

some concepts do carry over

>you dont see it because you havent been following the scene
Neither have you kid, enjoy the your last year of Smash 4
:)

Not popular enough. The other Jojo had pretty serious performance issues as well, which would have prevented it from showing up.

i'm 21. i got accepted in the past

Some of the skill you learn from other fighting games can transfer into smash. even that argument is false. but sure, not everything, because it's not a traditional fighting game, but an untraditional one.

JoJo ASB is fun and is most definitely a fighting game, but it's also unbalanced as all fuck.

EoH is weird arena shit. It's not really a fighting game.

>what is kagemushi, amsa, masashi
Why do unlearned retards only post on Sup Forums?

>some concepts do carry over
such as?

I wasn't saying it wasn't a fighting game, I'm saying it had performance issues. Evo isn't going to stream a game that takes 1.5+ minutes to load a match that rubs at 20 fps

Thinking that melee is any more of a fighting game than smash4 is silly and nonsensical.

They do, the japan smash4 scene is incredibly strong, there were 3 japanese people in top 8 of EVO

That will happen only if smash5 will actually be a better game than smash4, which will cause most of the community to transfer to that game.

In any other case, the smash scene has only seen growth in the past few years. evo 2016 was the largest Smash tournament of all time (the smash4 one, not the melee one) and the 2nd biggest game at the event

What about my point about health vs damage?

Are you serious? I play Tekken.

>Smash 4
again with this, I thought we were talking about Melee, at least it has execution, what does Smash4 have? Nothing lmao.

I know but even that no withstanding the lack of any and all semblance of balance means it wouldn't have been there

It's an nontraditional component of smash, yes. but it doesnt prevent it from being a fighting game

spacing, zoning, rushdown, whiff punishing, etc??? you niggas act like smash is in a completely different genre or something

>A smash fag talks about "piss easy combos"
Sure thing bro.

I've been playing Melee for a year+ and I'm not going to lie I beat a ton of people off intuition and muscle memory, sometimes I think about certain things I can do to adapt but really it's just adapting to your opponent's habits and covering options. It's more braindead then you think, it just takes a lot of practice to get down

I also think it isn't a fighting game (brawler) and that a lot of things stated about it are gimmicky. You get the input faster than your opponent, you read their DI/decision, and thats the stock. You can't shield certain moves, you just shield and that's it. The tech skill that takes practice makes everything out of proportion. Like, you need to be a NEET or someone with similar amount of free time to get it down and keep it down.

Also, the playerbase is thought of as smelly and autistic.

Normals, specials, spacing, frame traps, guard strings, pressure, yomi, zoning. It's like all you know about fighting games is a health bar and long fancy super animations.

>you niggas act like smash is in a completely different genre
Huh I wonder why that is?

Hey, they had clayfighter before and we all know that MvC 2 is also retardedly imbalanced.

Smash doesn't have combos, it has moves that grow stale.

You do know the reason there are combo trackers, right?

Alot of melee players enter smash4 tournaments and literally none of them gets far with the exception of mew2king.

The reasoning for this is because melee and smash4 have key mechanical differences.

Difficulty of execution exists in both games, melee has some more difficult inputs due to not having a buffer, but the skill ceiling of both games is more than high enough even for the highest level of players aniway.

And difficulty of execution was never everything smash had. alot of it is spacing, playing the neutral correctly, understanding adventage and disadvantage states, stage positioning, reading your opponent, baiting your opponent...

There is a ton of depth to it

Bro Smash 4 is just a fun game, not a competitive one. 13 year olds have beat Hungrybox in that shit.

>Smash doesn't have combos
Nigger are you even trying?
>You do know the reason there are combo trackers, right?
Guess Tekken and Soul Calibur aint fighting games either? Holy Crackers i dont what makes a fighting game a fighting game anymore.
As an extra training mode tracks your combos.

This isn't true, Melee community general looks down upon Smash4 in the same way we looked down upon Brawl and you fags said the exact same stuff. Learn to play a real game, you don't know jack shit about depth.

Not just a smashfag, I'm an fgcfag. I like all fighting games, brah. Why do you go into a thread of things you don't like just to get angry. That doesn't sound like a very good way to spend your time.

I literally opened this thread thinking it was about fighting the sales of games, but instead it's about shitty button mashers. Disappointed desu.

Not angry dude, just laughing at hilarious retardation from the smash community. The butthurt at evo was fucking hilarious.

>muh chairs :(

1. Hungrybox is not as good at smash4 as he is in melee.

2. There are genuinly good young smash players. you are not going to beat a high level player if you are not a high level player yourself unless he for some reason played poorly in that particular game

3. If you think smash4 is not competitive you don't know what you talk about. it has a huge competitive scene, in fact it's currently larger than the melee one considering smash4 had more entrants at EVO and CEO and now also at Smashcon.

>Got into Guilty Gear XX AC+R two years ago
>got really good at it but not EVO pro wise
>Get really great at GG Xrd Sign and Revelator
>No one plays these games because it's niche anime
>People arguing about the most technical fighter but Guilty Gear, one of the most technical fighting games gets left out of the Dust
Is it really true that people love to dickride Guilty Gear but they also never fucking played it?

That's like saying that Sonic 2 has depth to it just because a guy that's a pro bowler wouldn't know how to play it.

You would think that someone who wins Melee evo would have enough carry over for Smash to not lose to little kids in Smash 4

It's a party game, Melee isn't as much but still is

I say this as someone who literally plays Melee all day every day

Oh so you actually don't know. No worries it's pretty common for people to not know.

In a lot of cases, combos are tracked to lower damage relevant to how high the combo is. In mvc3's case, some combos (like chunners' infinite) will end up doing 0 damage as time progresses. This is why 'resets' are important - which reset the combo tracker allowing you to continue to deal big damage.

Smash doesn't have this, it has moved going stale. A move that is used several times over a period of time will continuously do less damage. Not as noticeable as some combo heavy games but it's there.

I don't think you understand. Anything can be made competitive, when people say Tr4sh is not competitive, they mean it's anti-competitive in it's design and that it isn't fundamentally built or designed around aspects used in "competitive play". We realize there are tons of kids that play it, we just think it's a bad game. It is a bad game. Sorry you can't into context.

There are some melee players that hate smash4, but many of them are actually also smash4 players.

Hbox himself, the 1st melee players in the world, said he loves smash4 on his stream, and that it should have gotten a sunday finals. he also said he greatly appriciates the effort and dedication smash4 players put to master their game.

People who look down upon smash4 from the melee community are simply a bunch of ignorant people and not the entire community

Oh my god I know. Melee fags are the worst. This evo was fucked audience wise though, didn't someone get arrested on stage at umvc3?

>Is it really true that people love to dickride Guilty Gear but they also never fucking played it?
Yes.

>No one has even mentioned GG in this thread you autist

Smash4 is NOT a party game, its extremely difficult to master. and as i said there are genuinely talented younger players in this game.


This 15 years old mexican guy is an example for that. MKLeo is one of the best players in the world while being only 15. the level of play he demonstrates is completely exceptional
youtube.com/watch?v=kzL7xp9yDvI

Sm4sh was the ones who were making a big deal of things at EVO.

Which is why I'm mentioning it, you adorable friend.

>tfw blazblue is the same
I literally cant digest more western style fighting games, yet they are the most popular.

All those tekkens, mk's and street fighters feel just choppy and not fluid enough for me. Smash has less laggy gameplay

People do this with every fighting game, regardless of popularity. You don't think that the people talking about Street Fighter V being good actually play it, right? With how much cocksucking Sup Forums does for that game, you'd think you would see more people from here at big tournaments, especially since they all claim to be experts.

Long time GG guy here, it's true that a lot of people talk about it, but the community very quickly turns into a murderous environment where the only people that play it are extremely skilled.

I think it's a damn shame, makes it very difficult to get into Xrd or whatever, when everyone online is going completely apeshit from the second the match starts.

I never thought of GG being super technical, but it does require knowledge of a lot of character mechanics, move properties, etc to get started. It's why when a new character releases, it's possible to see them hitting top spots in tournaments because people don't know how to deal with them on very specific levels.

Also the games community is primarily offline, which makes it hard to learn.

>when's melee chant over another game's finals
They're all children honestly, but I'd feel bad for shitting on them too hard considering the actual autism that's prevalent

Is there any game that's primarily online besides Melty Blood?