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>Only 6 viable heroes.

Nice balance Blizzard.

>buff a character so they're wildly overpowered
>nerf a character so they're painfully underpowered
>do this every single patch

Blizzard following the Riot school of game development kek

wait why did Genji go up so high, i though he was shit did he get buffed?

also why is Hog so low?

Good bait

Uh, Blizzard has been doing this for 15 years, you fucking normie newfag secondary.

That's been their design policy from the beginning: "Don't balance the game, just keep changing what's OP". Riot is the one copying them.

I swear most competitive players are fucking sheep.
Characters haven't been legitimately gamebreaking since the beta. Most of this is due to retards lazily going for the "meta" builds someone made up like a day after a patch.

all these patches must have been made by a retard. seriously, can blizzard learn how to balance a fucking game?

>Mercy
>Never Picked

But balance is just stagnation. If the game is balanced people aren't forced to keep learning new classes or characters, they get bored, and they quit.

If you constantly change the balance to keep them chasing the OP carrot, they'll never even notice you holding the stick.

Wait what

Zenyatta is a top pick now?

What the fuck happened?

You should embrace tranquility

>Zenyatta went from bottom TRASH tier never picked to 100% picked Uber tier

blizzard balancing at its finest

He has 200HP now and doesn't die being sneezed at, his discord/heal orbs are faster and his ult heals faster also

Latest patch gave him a massive buff making him deal super damage and heal more than ever

They fucked her ult. If you're a support who can't ult, you're useless.

I count 10 viable heroes.

Also, it should be easily noted that constructed play is 100% different from solo queue.

Take Bastion for example, in a constructed 6 v 6 match, the enemy will coordinate with each other to instantly take out Bastion. Whereas in solo queue, you'll be lucky to have someone swap to Genji who is then HOPEFULLY good at deflecting.

The same obviously apply to Torb and Symmetra, they're passive heroes who fall easily to coordinated attacks.

The real problem is that balance is so skewed to tanks being way too fucking strong. They need to severely buff defense heroes.

>People bitch about the balancing
>"kek, they do the riot way, a shitty way"

You guys have no understanding about balancing, have you?

>deal super damage
They nerfed his damage by 5. He does less damage now but can actually heal.

You want balance you go to Dota.
Overwatch's selling point is not balance or competetiveness
>B-but OW has a competetive scene
Stop pretending to be retarded, thank you.

But it just charges a little bit slower, does it really make her that useless?

kill urself my man

Yeah but with the sanic speed of the discord orb he can burst down really quick

Has nothing to do with Mercy being bad and instead Lucio/Zenyetta being fucking broken.

If either Lucio or zen gets nerfed, Mercy will jump right back up.

These are the characters competitive teams competing for money used the most during their matches.

Hog is good for carrying retards in placement matches and 40~60 matches.

It's not useless as much as it get trounced on by Lucio as a first support and Zenny as a second support.

>Picked in 100%> matches.
Seems legit. What a shit list.
Also, even though mercy is outhealed by Ana, her ult is still too insane to not have.

Added 50 shield
Made discord/tranquility orbs come out faster
>Ult turns him into Sanic the Omnic

People like him because he fills out both DPS and healing roles very well. Discord is especially useful for helping the team crush tanks.

>blizzdrones

I'm surprised that nobody picks Pharah, she's my most used hero and I always to well with her.

>nobody plays mercy anymore
Thank god, next step is to remove her from the game.

Its because Mccree is big right now, a good Mccree will just headshot her the instant shes in the air

whats wrong with this

their cinematics/osts are pretty good

...

there's nothing wrong with liking it. blizzard IS pretty good at trailers and creating hype for their stuff

its this guy going on their facebook and licking their asshole via a paragraph long comment on how AMAZING their trailer/music is. like its some kinda fucking masterpiece

>The real problem is that balance is so skewed to tanks being way too fucking strong. They need to severely buff defense heroes.

this, there's no real counter to tank stacking, especially on KOTH

>Not running double Zenyatta
>Enemy team not allowed to pick Zen

No

no, user, they're better than you, just accept it. if for some reason you think you're undeniably better than people who literally make thousands from this game while you post on a vietnamese cartoon board then I think you need to take a step back and realize how silly you sound. it is one thing to criticize a comp player or team in their picks or plays but i guarentee they aren't "retards."

>play overwatch at friends place
>love playing zenyatta
>weeks go by
>here about patch that makes zenyatta broken
>instant buy
>never been having so much fun in my life
I LOVE THIS

But McCree is still overused even after his nerfs.

I hope you're trolling.

>Mercy went from OU to NU
>Zenyatta went from NU to anything goes ahh I mean uber.

Competitive (queue) players, not professional players

>all those nerf Mei threads
>Rarely Used
Oh, I see, it was just a bunch of shitters wanting an excuse to thiccpost

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the list seems to be from a tournament, nothing to do with the scrubs meta we play with

I always liked Zenyatta the best but I always felt like shit and was holding my team back for picking him over Lucio or Mercy. Good times. Updating now.

That's because the pros all aimbot, so they can actually shoot down a Pharah. Meanwhile in quickplay and low rank competitive, Pharahs can usually fly around for a while uncontested.

Then again, I just got out of a quickplay match with a rank 82 Hanzo aimbotting the fuck out of everyone, so not even quickplay is safe.

valve way best way

Blizzard way seems the most fun to have.

He's literally the best healer in the game atm.

The only thing they nerfed was his Destruction orbs doing 40 instead of 45 but that makes literally zero difference.

Also his transcendence got bumped up from 100 HP/s to 300 HP/s and he moves at the speed of God.

>stealing pokemon tierlists

fuck off

I never claimed I was better than pros, you presumptuous tool, so spare me the lecture.
And FYI these statistics aren't from pros.

But regardless, my point was that they were being close minded. Which is something that has been proven in multiple occasions to be something "pro players" are just as susceptible to.

It was the final nail in the coffin. She has zero mobility (guardian angel just doesn't cut it in comp) and lack luster self defense. Sure the pistol is decent but it's no defense against a Genji that just needs to jump around and sweep you twice. Her direct heal is not good enough compared to Lucio's insane AoE heal or Zen's "fire and forget" healing orb allowing him to dish out damage with his insane ball damage (not to mention the skull busting discord orb).

Combine that with a now very slow ult charge and the fact that Zenyatta's ult now makes you literally invincible and makes him go sanic has lead to Mercy being obsolete. Even in quick play the amount of Mercy use has dropped hard. She just isn't viable anymore.

Either they need to make her heal insanely good or drastically increase her mobility.

Actually it's because mei is fucking annoying and I don't care how underpowered she is, nerf that chink bitch into the ground until there's nothing left. Fuck freezing, fuck anything that takes away control form the player.

This is the thing. Even before, Lucio out ranked her but her ult was still so good it was worth taking her too. But with the ult nerf, she doesn't offer any utility and only average healing while other healers offer very useful utilities and decent to great healing. She's simply outclassed

Git gud you fucking rank 30 faggot. Mei's fine as she is.

You are trolling right, bruh? Or you don't know 6th grade math.

Was this based off just the Eleague tourney?

>Mei's fine as she is
No, she isn't. She is really in need of some buffs.

>Pharah's existence in the meta solely relies on whether a hitscan hero can kill her in two shots

In the past, Genji was a fucking beast when pocketed with Orb of Harmony. After Zen's orbs required LoS, Genji became a more situational hero who was high risk high reward who had a tough time fitting into team compositions that weren't balls to the wall aggressive. Since Zenyatta no longer dies from a leaf slapping him in the face, he can keep LoS on Genji much more easily. If he breaks LoS, Harmony and Discord now travel at the speed of sound, so it pretty much reapplies instantly.

Due to the faster application of Discord and Zen being a Healer/DPS hybrid, Roadhog, being the only tank that lacks any meaningful way to mitigate damage, gets melted the instant Discord is thrown on him. McCree's buffs also made some heroes that teams would normally run the Hog to pick off/harass almost nonexistent, such as Pharah, 76, and Mercy. D.Va's matrix changes has made her a decent alternative to use over Reinhardt in some situations, which resulted in another blow to the Hog's viability since he was also one of the best heroes for pressuring Reinhardt's barrier via alt fire and Ult.

In short, RH stopped being a "safe" pick due to Zenyatta becoming absurdly strong and the heroes he was used to deal with becoming less frequent or too difficult to use reliably in response to.

but still why is Genji so popular now? I remember these lists from a while ago and he was always near the bottom. I don't remember any actual changes to him, and you would think with McCree's FTH working again he'd be picked a lot less.

Genji also got an smaller indirect buff with Ana's ult, which synergizes amazingly with Dragonblade.

It's almost as if the meta is in flux regardless of if buffs or nerfs happen. Like people are learning the game or something and everything hasn't been set in stone yet.

>The valve way
I don't recall an abundance of OP weapons in CSGO
and there's only maybe 4 in TF2

Everything in overwatch was stolen

It's more than just the Ult build rate change. Remember that they also buffed McCree by giving him much less falloff damage, which means that Pharah is a nightmare to play when you have to deal with a McCree who can aim, and also changed the burst firing of 76 so you can't use a macro and have a zero-spread rapid-fire primary. Those are two DPS's who would normally get damage-boosted for like half the match completely erased from the metagame, and Zen's buffs was the straw that broke the camel's back. Who needs a full team resurrection when you can basically make your entire team FUCKING INVINCIBLE since almost none of the heroes used in the metagame have high enough burst damage to out-DPS the healing except D.Va's Ult that can still be blocked by a fire hydrant, and McCree?

Oh look I just named another reason why McCree is so good in this meta.

true

>he thinks original things can still be made in the year 2016
I remember being a kid

Soldier/pharah/tracer can all take out bastion effortlessly.

Soldier with rocket and normal fire, pharah with a few rockets before he can get away, tracer by flanking and hitting his head

Genji solely as bastion counter is shit. If the bastion isnt retarded he stops firing during deflect

>I remember being a kid
Of course you do.

A good Genji knows deflecting Bastion is just a gimmick.
I always shoot from a distance, creep in, let him fire before I deflect, and after he stops shooting I do my combo that takes half his health away.
If he lives I just M2 while jumping on his head.

>Mercy
>Never used
No. Incorrect.

>Peeking is now apparently not a think
Nope, apparantly if you can't just jump jet right in the open spamming rockets with no consequence, she's broken.

Just like every other patch that "ruined Pharah", these faggots will cry for a few weeks then start learning how to play around it. First the splash damage nerfs meant they actually had to learn to aim and now Mccree buffs mean they have to think before jumping.

>balance
>Blizzard
WHEN
WILL
YOU
FUCKING
LEARN
?

*Thing

Yes, correct
Look at the text at the top right, these are the stats for those qualifiers, in which Mercy was never picked

People got gud

well patrolling the skies is like half of pharah's playstyle, if you're grounded then you might as well switch characters.

How to fix so many of the shit characters.

Torb

>Armor packs cost 25 scrap
>Turret when upgraded to level 2 has 50 armor

Bastion
>Increased ammo for recon, reduced ammo for Sentry

>Mercy
>50 HP

>Phara
>Increased movespeed in the air

>Symmerta
>Turrets can only be killed by non-AoE attacks

If you're going to peek you're better off using McCree.

They just need to make her SINGLE target healing the highest of all the supports. It makes sense, I see no reason why she can't have the highest heal dps when connected to a single person, opposed to Lucio's lower AOE healing. It would make her a great off healer as she'd be able to really heal targets one by one but wouldn't be able to reliably heal the whole team in a pinch.

just make her work like TF2 Medic, it worked for them.

Holy shit how have I never thought of this

I am enlightened

>every single Defense hero is shit
>even while on Defense

What a fucking shitfest. Something needs to be done so you can't just speedboost in with Lucio, and a combo of Winston/Rein/Zarya/Dva with damage and 1 more support. Grouping up has no counterplay.

When she's grounded, she's a junkrat with fast projectiles. I'm not saying you don't use jump. You obviously use it to get to advantageous positions. But you don't just blindly jump in open areas unsupported and hover there for ages, while a Mccree is looking at you.

HAHAHA
retard

On the ground she's a Junkrat who can't spam or arc projectiles. So she's really bad.

Why play her then? She does less damage per shot than Mccree and her ult is basically worse area denial.

Defense heroes will never be good user, Overwatch is too fast paced.

The characters she synergizes well with aren't good in this meta. Pharah in particular gets fucked hard.

You seem angry.

Because she has the best mobility in the game and can actually deal with 2 people at once, unlike Mccree. You use Pharah on when there are chokepoints that hold up Mccree e.g. Hanamura point 1 and Anubis point 1.

Only because no defense heroes have shield counters besides DO BIG DAMAGE like Junkrat, and no defense hero can do anything to a speedboosted team except Mei and that only delays them.

The biggest problem is damage.

Because everyone and their uncle can get crits with headshots, we have shit like Mccree and Reaper chunking 500HP down like it's nothing.

Honestly the only heroes who should be able to headshot are Mcree, Soldier 76 and Widow.

People like Reaper pushing out ANY under 300 HP hero who isn't medium ranged as fuck.

It used to be so you could have a ress ready for every big team fight. That was just too good to pass up, it basically formed a meta around it where the best strat was always to throw the entire team in and die together while the mercy hides behind. The enemy team is forced to give it their best to fight back which usually means a few ults get used, and ultimately wasted, since a Mercy will just swoop in and ress everyone if they fail to capture the point or whatever on their own. She would be getting picked over Lucio still if the charge rate hadn't been nerfed.

>Best mobility in the game
>Flies around like a wounded butterfly

Sorry, but no, she doesn't even get speedboosts in the air.

Guardian Angel should let her fly around like D.Va, and her single target heal should be buffed to 70 instead of 50.

Reaper is honestly in the perfect spot, balance wise. He fills a super important niche, but doesn't dominate the meta.

I think they buffed DVA a bit too much.

t. blizzdrone

how so?