Le Kill you at 80 for the tiniest mistake with one button man

>Le Kill you at 80 for the tiniest mistake with one button man

Why does Limit Cross slash exist and why hasn't it been nerfed

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Get with the times grandpa, nobody is talking about your broken party characters anymore, now its all about making threads wanting nerfs to Overwatch characters. Come back when you have better bait.

Le don't let him charge up in the first place you fucking shitter.

>le kill you at 50 out of a utilt
Put a image of Ryu, I am too lazy to search up for it.

>Gets limit by getting hit and dealing damage as well
>Implying it's not easy to just charge away on platforms when you knocked off the stage

You fucking idiot, he doesn't even have to sit and charge it.

Until he plays keep away with the limit.

I have literally never lost against a single Cloud ever, and some were pretty good. I pretty much pick at random between a large part of the cast and I have beaten him with pretty much any kind of character you can imagine. Characters with projectiles, slow characters, floaty characters, agile without projectiles, you name it. If cloud gets outsmarted once he's fucked because of his shitty recovery.

get fucking good, asshole.

Don't follow him then. Bait him into wasting it.

Sm4sh fags are fucking pathetic. Kill yourselves shitters.

Are you okay?

Did you know, Cloud has ridiculous amounts of start up on almost all of his moves?

>Sm4sh fags are cancer
>admits to playing Sm4sh

Pay-2-win.

DLC characters were a mistake.

Such as?
And dont even say FSmash or Ftilt, when he can throw out Bair, Fair, Uair and Dair and be completely safe. All his aerials fill very easily.
Plus his Limit Cross Slash having zero cool down is ridiculous. He can throw it out and not have to worry about being punished.

I think cloud needs to have his ability to gain limit from giving and taking damage, removed.
Imagine if Little Mac could charge his KO punch

just edgeguard him.
there's a reason why Cloud isn't actually getting that many results

>expecting a smash game to be balanced

You mean ONE of his moves, forward smash?

What other moves have ridiculous startup? All of his moves are fast, safe and have good range and knockback.

>Sm4sh fag
>Same group as ALL Sm4sh players

Your mind is this small, Sm4shfag. Kys, you are an embarrassment to your parents.

Fair and Neutral B have bad startup too.
USmash is also pretty slow

For Glory shitters aren't good Clouds. Call me when you beat Tweek, M2K, or Leo's Cloud.

Bair isn't safe at all. It's on the slow end compared to most Bairs in the game, and it has abysmal recovery, too. Fair is used for punishes because it is 100% unsafe, even on hit up to certain percentages, and has one of the worst startups in the game.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. You are bad at the game and want an excuse for it, but there is none. Go pick him yourself and watch yourself get wrecked by all the joke characters, you fucking clown.

Because OP and the other losers in this thread are complaining about losing to M2K, right?

They don't feel they've raked in enough shekels. The nerfs will come after everyone pockets him.

Hmmm, I wonder who's behind these posts.

>Neutral B

You mean the move that isn't used outside of the occasional random Limit neutral B to catch people off guard?

Fair has slow start up but it's also incredibly disjointed and safe on shield.

Up smash comes out frame 13 which is pretty average for Smash 4 smash attack start up.

Not even a bad Cloud would use those moves up close, though. Fair is a good edge-guard and Neutral B is exclusively used from a distance (and also as an edge-guard tool).

Up Smash really isn't that slow, it's as fast as most Up Smashes are. The opponent just needs to whiff a single move to get smacked by it.

Oh, so you're a better sm4sh 4 fag

>you aren't good unless you're the best in the entire world
Okay.

it will get nerfed when Cloud wins something relevant

Obviously not but the people complaining about Cloud are shitters. But you can't say you've beaten a good Cloud when you're beating FG shitters that go 1-2 at majors and thus have no right to tell other people to get good.

If you can't get at least top 32 at a major then you're really not that good of a player.

A low level player can be "good" to this friends, but that doesn't mean much when he goes to a local goes out 0-2.

Am I the only one still absolutely shocked Cloud is in Smash? I thought it was a joke when there were threads about him getting leaked.

>this guy can sit on his leaf shield all day and if you don't have a windbox you are pretty much fucked
let's that sink in

Have you played the game? You clearly dont know how to space aerials and are getting punished for your stupidity. The amount of shield stun combined with the recovery frames make him safe as hell.

Educate youself

That's his greatest strength though, how great his punish game is. Run away, charge lb, hit at the ones trying to stop your charging with your giant ass sword. It's literally the reason he's top tier.

>M-M-MUH FG!

Are you serious you retard? Where the fuck did I say anything about FG? Get good and go preach the majors talk to impressionable kids in the youtube comments section of any channel of your liking.

>Zelda fag complaining about characters with good tools
what a surprise.
maybe stop picking shitters and you can punish him

>moving goalposts
So now, you don't have to be a pro but instead need to be in the top 32 for your country?

By the way, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that using hyperbole to such an extent makes you look really, really stupid.

this isn't true whatsoever, his framedata is amazing

>ZeRo_shrug.jpg

>Proving you wrong somehow counts as complaining

Sure thing buddy

I'm sure you have I'm sure your PR'd in SoCal also.
Like what? LCS is frame 7, up air and nair are super fast

Is there any reason why some really good players are loved like M2K and Armada but Zero is hated to death?

>Ness
>Grab at 90 anywhere not near the middle of the stage
>Game over

but you are literally just complaining his attacks are safe.

that's what like every good character has.

but you decide to pick a character with a terrible ass neutral and then complain when someone doesn't.
this is why no one takes low tier shitters seriously.

>Air to Air situation
>Dodge his shitty aerial and punshi with whatever move you like because they are all unsafe on whiff
>Edge guard him for free if he doesn't have full charge and put him down 1 stock

>Air to ground situation
>Perfect shield
>Punish with any move of your liking because all his aerials are slow as all fuck.
>Edge guard him for free if he doesn't have full charge and put him down 1 stock

Damn... so this is the power... of not being a shitter.... wow....

Bitter fags and meme lords. They hated him because he was uncontested, then people bandwagoned. As per the Sup Forums status quo.

ZeRo is a little John'ing faggot who gets carried by broken characters and can't win anything without them.

The only person getting killed at 90 in the middle by Backthrow is Puff and Game n Watch. Mario would have to be over 100 to get killed in the middle by Ness, plus if your in grab percentage stay infront of Ness idiot.

Mewtwo can grab you ANYWHERE on the stage and unless your heavy you will die to up throw at 110

>1v1 vs a mac
>last stock him 80% me 0%
>k.o punch full
>jump at him for fair
>does some uppercut dtilt to k.o punch to 0 death me in 5 seconds
>mfw

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED????

M2K and Armada don't complain about everything like ZeRo.
and ZeRo looks like a faggot

>approach in a very safe manner
get punished
>WHY IS THIS ALLOWED????

>get Ness offstage at any %
>play anyone with a counter or RosaLuma
>he dies
and this is why he isn't considered good anymore

Cloud forces you to approach him that's the greatest neutral you can have to shitter because it puts Cloud at a advantage

>punch-out!! games reward players with ko attacks by playing optimally and not getting hti
>the power meter in sm4sh can not only be filled by being hit but also fills up way quicker that way than doing damage effectively encouraging to play sloppily and get hit

you're right, why is this allowed?

> not getting hti

*hit

what sound does cloud make?

>Armada
I'm pretty sure Armada is the least liked of all the gods and with "least liked" i mean no one cares about him.

anyone with a good projectile forces him to shield though

>Cloud forces you to approach him

Does he put a gun to your head or something? Damn, I've been risking my life all those times when I've stayed at my corner to bait him so I don't eat a random neutral B while trying to chase him around?

really made me think

That's better than being actively hated on like Hbox and the other dude

>M2K and Armada don't complain about everything like ZeRo.
Armada complains about everything as well. American chants, Puff, Leffen, lack of VIP area for top players, pools, Nintendo support, tournament payouts, you name it. He's definitely Melee's Zero.

Things that piss me off in Smash 4:

>How absolutely impossible to is to edgeguard Bayonetta and her seven thousand jump angles that also double as attacks. Absolutely no fun allowed: the character
>Mario style Nairs that come out on frame -2, especially fucking Yoshi's that hits well behind him for no goddamn reason. These players have learned to always be mashing that shit while getting hit because there's virtually zero consequence for doing it
>Cloud's Dair. That thing has the most absurd active frames of any button I've ever seen. Putting aside all his other bullshit for some reason this is the thing that jumps out at me the most, fuck that move
>Sheik and ZSS's down B moves. These characters are already ridiculously mobile, and then they get these horseshit moves on top of everything else.
>Speakjng of Sheik, why the fuck is it so goddamn impossible to hit her out of her Up B? Like fuck it even has pushback just in case she fucked up.

I'm sure there's more but I can't think of them at the moment.

It all started at the invitational Nintendo held when he timed out HBox

K.O. punch shouldn't be killing anyone except maybe Jigglypuff at 0%.

Also, hit him twice and he loses it. Cloud's limit doesn't go away until he chooses for it to go away. And it has multiple uses, it can be a projectile or a recovery option or his own K.O. punch with a better hitbox and cooldown.

>Pick any stage with a platform
>Hop up and continue charging till they approach

wow that was hard

Is it just me, or is Cloud a straight upgrade of Ike? This is fucking horseshit.

Ike should definitely have the sword laser projectile instead of that dumbass charge move he has now, sword lasers are part of why he's so broken in his own games.

I have never seen this happen.

He's like a hybrid between Mario and Shulk in which he has the former's frame data and the latter's look and a free Speed and Shield art every time he hits limit

so in short, yes

>tfw no alternate dark haired skin for Zack Fair

He did an uppercut where he steps forward, dtilt then k.o punched me. It wasnt just the k.o which killed me by itself.

>It's another "Mario, Toon Link, Zero Suit or Sonic player that needs to use 20+ grabs to win" episode

Why do I even bother playing for glory

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>2:08
You missed a helluva ride

The only problem with Limit Cross Slash is it's ridiculously safe endlag, you can't punish that shit.

I got a few to add

>People that start turtling and only use shield grabs
>Those people that are somehow playing exactly like level 9 CPU or Amiibos with constant perfect shields and tilt placement
>Those people that get mad as fuck and switch to toon link, sonic, or little mac just so they can win
>Corrin's counter having an insane hurtbox and killing as early as 40 fucking percent

>Sm4sh is released
>WAH! SHIELDING IS OP! WHY IS SHIELDING SO SAFE! WAH!
>Just grab them out it, retards.
>WAH! WHY AM I GETTING GRABBED SO MUCH! WAH!

I'm a Dedede main.

Today, I met a good Shiek on For Glory. Not just a competent one, the kinda that makes sick moves I had only seen watching tournaments.

I feel defiled, I was completely at his mercy. Nothing I did on shield was safe, I got combo'd like never before, and every time I managed to connect a move I couldn't keep going as his aereals had permanent hitboxes as he moved.

How do I git gud.

youtube.com/watch?v=-cJHiEXMZdI

learn to use mods

Man, I can't stand Corrin's counter. Even after the nerf it's stupid as hell.

In 1v1 offline in no lag, fine. I get it. You would have to be a fool to get hit by it more than once. But with any more than two players, or with lag, or both, it's an absolute nightmare that nets them totally free kills. They can be putrid shit, getting handily destroyed and then get one braindead counter and win. And the hurtbox is insane as you've said. Many other counters can be avoided with the right kind of spacing, but Corrin's can not.

>play against Rosaluma
>kill Luma
>it comes back in 12 fucking seconds

They should just make the fucker stay dead till the next stock, or failing that make Rosa have to charge neutral B for like 20 seconds to get it back (she can shield/roll like all charging B moves to keep it somewhat possible to pull off). Way too little reward for killing that little fucker compared to how much of an advantage Rosa gets while it's in play.

>1:30
Oh god I forgot how good it was

I hate Corrin so fucking much. It's 'that kid' personified
>nuhuh you can't counter my projectile by jumping over it and hitting me becuz it also gets a melee attack at the end just because

>Unpunishable, free upsmash which ALSO has stupidly good kill power
>dsmash and fsmash can kill uncharged any non-heavy at 100 and are fast as fuck
>every fucking neutral move strings into some 30% combo
>multiple combos off le epic down throw, including a 50/50 kill confirm
>kill throw
>mix up combo throw
>up b is shoryuken lite, almost unpunishable out of down throw
>side and down b are piss easy pressure, doesn't even matter if they don't land because it forces you to play defensive
>all aerials are bullshit fast except bair and all can lead to combos
>fast as fuck air and ground mobility
>easy spammable fireball cucks characters without projectiles and forces characters WITH them to approach
fuck cloud, mario is by far way more
bullshit

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So together with Mr E beating Zero, does this confirm that Marth is good?

D3 is shit so no helping there
>Mario
Literally git gud the only unpunishable move is up smash.

You can start by picking a different main

Pick a character other than the "Combo me for free" penguin.

Alternatively, don't play the free combo penguin aggressively against fast characters. Turtle and hope for the best.

Pls no

There must another way

There must be

I hate plying lame, but I guess It's the only thing I can do

It's one thing to realize that.
It's another thing entirely to do nothing but shield-grabs for the entire match, and make tr4sh even more slow and boring as a result

No, Mr. R is shit and has been shit for a long time now

Mario mains are the cancer in for glory.
The only way to deal with them is gimping their recovery or stage spiking.

>all aerials are fast as fuck except bair

I think you meant fair friendo

>Play Kirby
>Copy Rosaluma or Olimar
>BTFO their own Pikmin and Luma with infinite Priority

My condolences to Olimar mains for having to hear the Pikmin death sound on loop

yeah i did,my mind is too clogged with cancer cells just thinking of that shitface plumber

Have you tried using inhale mixups when they go buster or speed mode?
Try using side-tilt a little more to give yourself some space when they start abusing down-smash

When will they buff the Queen of the skies?

>Don't follow him then. Bait him into wasting it.
That is a shaky strategy and you know it. You're basically letting Cloud complete his game plan instead of working to stop it and the only thing left for him to do is set you up for a kill (which isn't unreasonably difficult for him, that's why he's considered high tier). Your best bet is to be on his ass 24/7 and try to keep the upper hand.

SHIEK HAS MONADO ARTS?

SAKURAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

Not in Smash 4, D3 is hot garbage with shit frame data and hitboxes plus he just eats combos. The only thing good about him is he's hard to kill

Or the prince of Koopas??

Kirby cucks Olimar so fucking hard. Olimar has to wait for the pikmin to come back or pluck them out again, while kirby gets to sit back and and spam that shit like there's no tomorrow. #1 priority against Kirby when playing as Olimar is to not let him absorb you.

Shielding was too good.

Dedede is very low tier and has a lot of very tough MUs, so it might be a good idea to switch. Maybe check out Soul Train on YT and Smashboards.

Well shit, I got my replies mixed up.
Fat penguin vs Shiek?
There's no way in hell.