What went wrong ?

what went wrong ?

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Giving Samus a voice.

Also showing you were secrets are that don't affect much because of the authorisation system

gameplay was good,but the story was completely shit

Everything.

Everything

Everything.

It went wrong the moment they gave Sakamoto full control as a writer.

His vision for Metroid is so diametrically opposed to what the series previously was and really should be that giving him all of the power over a large budget console iteration was just asking for trouble.

Making Samus a little bitch. That's it. That's literally all. I could stand the stupid thumbs down speech. I could stand the combat. Fuck, I could stand the missiles recharging. But then they turn Samus into a submissive little girl that takes orders from people that can't help themselves. Not to mention how she panics after seeing a boss she has killed what, 3 times so far?

>gameplay was good
Don't lie to anyone, it was serviceable at best. Mash dodge and you get instant charges, anything that doesn't immediately die from a charge shot can be run up to and jumped on with a charge shot to instantly kill them, missile usage in general in fights was horrendously done, the controls to actually move were terrible, and everything was essentially a linear hallway with no wiggle room.

Almost everything. I like the graphics, although some of the design choices are questionable at best.
Everythign else was bad and every time I started to have fun, the game was interrupted by another cut scene.

Everything.

no it wasn't
the level design was inferior to even metroid 1, the combat was laughably simplistic, the control scheme retarded and enemies were mechanically boring

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Oh my god this game is fucking horrible.

you think it got ruined because a mute nintendo character got a voice?

Legend of zelda breathe of the wild, there are now voice actors
is that franchise going to die as well?

Fans went stupid and hated because she was canon to the manga. Honestly, Other M is a really good game, not on par with all others, but really good.

>canon to the manga
>the manga that literally had no room in its timeline for all this bullshit with the Federation that is in the Other M flashbacks

Samus was never about having a voice. She was all about kicking Cthulhu level space creature's asses while giving no fucks.

It is not so much the fact she has a voice, it's everything that surrounds it. The voice choice is off putting for Samus and the lines turn the bounty hunter queen into a sniffling bitch.

Everything apart from the gameplay itself, which was pretty good apart from having to do that pointy thing to aim rockets which didn't feel like it fit.

>actually liking spam d-pad to be invincible gameplay

Was the Manga written by a 14 year old too?

They destroyed the 'lonely, eerie space horror' feeling that the others gave by directly inserting you into Samus' head and letting you unwillingly hear her thoughts.
Even Fusion, which had a psuedo-companion and a lot of dialog, gave the entirely new feeling of being hunted tirelessly by SA-X, which is one of the scariest elements in the series so far.

> "You were wrong when you were a girl, and you're wrong now."

Reverse character development. What the hell was he thinking?

The gameplay was shit too. The dodge mechanic was completely broken, concentration made it impossible to die and the first person mode was even more awkward than Metroid Prime.

I found a cheatcode that mapped missiles to B+1 - it improved the gameplay significantly, but not enough to make it outright good.

You forgot she has PTSD? They could never convey this in the past, and during Prime's development they didn't THINK of using her PTSD.

Ridley in Ceres Station was to be a sort of PTSD moment, Ridley in Zero Mission had a small shock moment.

Her breakdown in Other M is justified by so:
In MZM/M1, Ridley was weakened and brought to near death. He survived somehow.

Prime forks here until a new MAIN game makes it canon.

In Super, she received a distress call from Ceres Station. Upon answering it, she bumped into Ridley. Her fears makes the battle unwinnable, and he doesn't want to kill you yet. So what does he do? He mocks you once more and leaves.

After Super, Samus was confident that he was gone for good... But seems the Federation has been playing God and cloned Ridley. His emerging reminds her of the day he killed her people and ATE HER PARENTS.

Now, onto another canon point:

Adam was a jerk, right? But so was ADAM. They were both in "military mind", or do you think your sergeant will give you a pat and say "have fun"?

>I'm just going to ignore games if they're inconvenient to my headcanon

I didn't forget shit. But apparently you've forgotten that she pretty much went straight to Zebes to kill Mother Brain after she inherited the suit. There was no time period in the manga where she could have been Adam's little bitch for any decent amount of time.

>Ridley who she has defeated numerous times makes her break down to the point where she can not use her suit

I call fucking bullshit here. The stuff she has seen at that point in the canon is thousands times freakier than Ridley

I didn't ignore. I love Prime DESU, but they have no connection to ANYTHING from M2 onwards. All connections are as loose as Twitch's servers.

Samus would have a perfect opportunity to bring up Phazon during Fusion, or to think about the things from at least Prime 1. But nope, no canon. Then what we got is a fork, like in Zelda Timeline.


She grew up between the last time she has been with Chozo and Zero Mission. But seems you didn't.

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Pretty much this, Jennifer Hale while I don't mind her work was a bad pick for Samus. Samus should have little dialogue in any Metroid game. I'm not completely against her having a voice actor but it should really just be kept to a minimum.

Fusion had the most dialogue up to that point but it was mostly internal monologue and a few lines throughout the game to the Adam AI. It worked fine for Fusion though because it was well done.

Sure, EVERYTHING is far worse than you, as a child, seeing YORU PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED BY PIRATES AND YOUR PARENTS EATEN BY RIDLEY!

By the way, This is sarcasm

I was more thinking about the movement. I liked what they tried to do with the environments and the way you moved through them, it had a good feel to it, although the environments themselves were a little disappointing. There were balance issues with the mechanics and the first person mode was a bit shit, that's for sure. Could have been a good game, its a shame.

wtf I hate Other M now

The SA-X was seriously spooky, the fact they managed to give a sense of fear like that in a hand held game was impressive.

This. Every recent depiction of Samus I can think of, at least since MP3, has been just a woman in a suit. Why do they think we want to see 'acceptance, emotions, [The Baby]' at all? It's a major break in character.

She didn't seemed shocked in the last few encounters with the giant bastard.

Plus, I think the galaxy plaguing parasite and reality warpers would be much worse experience.

Moving in a 3D space with a d-pad didn't feel good. Nothing was fluid and everything killed your momentum.

It's the only Metroid game where they blatantly put speedbumps in to stop you getting a speed booster charge.

You are blind, aren't you? I said she EXPERIENCED A SPACE PIRATE INVASION WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD! SHE WASN'T THAT TOUGH YET! HER BODY WAS NOT READY!

Someone please post the thumbs-down speech

And like I said, in the rest of the series, she has not shown a single fuck.

Even in the context of the game, this is the third time she fought Ridley, sixth time if we are counting the prime games. At this point, she should be like "You killed my parents, and I keep killing you over and over for revenge. It's so sweet."

Also PTSD has specific triggers. Like: try blowing a cracker next to a World War veteran diagnosed with PTSD. See how "fun" it is.

Prime does not count until a proof of canon happens.

And you'd rather her be like a Doomguy?! You're sick in the head.

Stop replying to Cody.

Eh? Better that than Sakamoto's version.

Ignore the part where she has fought the bastard 3 times not counting the prime games at this point in the canon faggot.

In those times before hand, she did not show anything to the damn thing. Now she loses her emotions? I call fucking bullshit. If it happened in M1, fair enough. In the second last game in the canonical series? FUCK OFF.

Samus was ruined by having not only angsty and retarded monologues but Sakamoto having the VAs make her sound stoic even in her own thoughts despite all the attempted drama.

She's talked in Super, Fusion, and i'm sure other games, but she was always someone that focused on the mission and immediate factors in a fairly to-the-point matter, fitting of a hardened bounty hunter and ex-military. Other M made her sound like an internally emotional teenager stuck in a bad circumstance.

>Prime does not count until a proof of canon happens.
Your joking right? Nintendo has confirmed in the timeline where prime fits a decade ago.

People have this idea that Sakamoto made Prime non-canon because it was made by westerners, but he never actually did that. He just disassociated his own work from Retro Studios', but he never rendered them 'non-canon'.

Not to mention that considering Sakamoto had a poor, tenuous grasp on canon in the first place because the story of Other M is a goddamn inconsistent mess, he's the one that should probably be disregarded more.

He's right though. It makes no sense. Samus or the logs or whatever not mentioning it is one thing, but Ridley dying like 5 times total in the entire series? What the fuck?

It's not like Ganon who is technically immortal and it's not like Bowser who just gets blown away like Team Rocket. Ridley gets fucking destroyed. As in blown to pieces destroyed.

Ignore the part where I talk about PTSD and its triggers, dumb bitch.

Not Joking. They said where it FITS, but a lot of Alternate Continuity events in Castlevania AND Zelda would SOMEHOW fit as well. Just because it fits doesn't mean it is canon to main. It CAN be canon to itself and first installment, but not to others. See Zelda.

That "not canon" talk was a mistranslated interview.

>Ignore the part where I talk about PTSD and its triggers, dumb bitch.

What about the Other M encounter was different to the other encounters in every other Metroid game? What about Other M's Ridley that made Samus shit herself?

I'll fucking wait.

>That "not canon" talk was a mistranslated interview.

Do you actually have proof?

The version of Ridley in Other M is a clone though it's not outside the realm of possibility the other ones could be.

It was already established in Fusion he was not blown up to pieces since his corpse was frozen at BSL.

Let's see:
1: standing in the middle of the room
ZM: Coming from above
SM: Standing there
F: As a frozen corpse and then as a statue
Other M: COMING FROM THE FUCKING LAVA IN A TOWER OF FLAMES THAT REMINDS HER OF THE CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION OF HER HOME!

And I googled around about "prime not canon" and one of the results pointed that it was a MISTRANSLATION.

Well I chalk that up to Nintendo themselves not stepping in for Ridley on the Prime series, but still, their explanation was that he didn't actually die. He came damn close, thus why Meta Ridley was even a thing, but despite blowing the fuck up he didn't truly die until Super.

Then the Galactic Federation fucking cloned him into the one-legged fuck and he evolved again to get frozen and drained in Fusion.

>Well I chalk that up to Nintendo themselves not stepping in for Ridley on the Prime series
Yeah thats what I take it as they didn't account for it. Its like the Zelda timeline Nintendo never really had a canon timeline planned during the original release of many of the games.

Your argument is completely and utterly retarded.

It's much more likely that she simply expected Ridley to be fucking dead considering Other M comes right after Super. Seeing him suddenly alive probably triggered PTSD of some sort.

Doesn't make up for Other M being utter shit though.

You are really grasping at straws at the moment user.

Samus has seen more fucked up things than her past, even not counting the prime games as canon.

I can make the same argument for the chozos, her adopted species and family, being fucked in the ass by the metroids. Does this mean she should be scared as soon as she sees one? Of course not, her mission was to wipe them out.

At this point in the series, she has KILLED Ridley so many times that he should be a joke. There are so many other fucking times that Ridley acted menacingly (Such as Super and Zero mission like you said) but not once that has triggered anything. If she did have serious PTSD, she would've freaked out when she saw him in the room in M1, Zero Mission OR SUPER.

Also, can I see some of these sources?

Jennifer Hale didn't voice Other M's Samus.

Meta-Ridley was fine. He was basically Frieza turned Meta-Frieza. Samus mighta been in a rush and she didn't check the body to make sure it was dead, fine, I can accept that.

But how the fuck can Meta Ridley turn into full bodied Ridley back in Super? He should still be Meta Ridley according to Nintendo's "timeline."

Nintendo didn't fuck up the timeline by putting the Prime games in at all, they fucked it up by putting them BEFORE most of the other games. A "rebuilt" enemy should always, in any universe or canon, be the last version of that enemy. Not the middle version.

Then why bother with Meta Ridley in the first place? Zero Mission (which was a retroactive change, mind you) implied the Space Pirates had spare Ridleys out the wazoo, which is fine, really. But then why bother making Ridley a big deal in the first place?

>But how the fuck can Meta Ridley turn into full bodied Ridley back in Super?
I believe it's established in the manga that ridley can recover from just about any injury by eating enough flesh

do soemone know if i can still download AMR2 somewhere on the internet ?

MP1: Swoops in and firebombs everything around
MP3: Comes out of the ceiling and grabs you, flying down an incredibly deep shaft leading to your supposed death

Can you name a single time she was even taken aback by Ridley more than 3 seconds before immediately retaliating? Go home, you lost.

Everything. Literally.
A better question would be "what went right?"

MP is noncanon to main, therefore does not count at all.

google it

The fans.

I guess the Prime games are all so 'closed together' that they didn't have enough time to let him go on a feeding frenzy, then.

Nothing went right.

Ridley's theme.

These.

Story, characters, level design, using a dpad for 3d movement with no alternatives.

I really don't think the tenth Ridley theme iteration really counts. It's the same song every time.

>what went right?
Nightmare was afun boss fight

That's your headcanon, there's reason to believe that Other M is canon and Prime is not.

Prime 3 Meta Ridley seemed a lot more organic than Prime 1, at least until you fucked him up and he turned Omega Ridley.

Do I really need to go over this again?

Everything. Everything went wrong. Every aspect went wrong. Even the good parts, the parts where you could see they tried and had decent plans, went to shit with everything else they did to them.

Individual examples are too numerous to list.

>He picked the plot elements established in Other M to declare Prime non-canon
>He picked the one game that retcons every other game as well enough established canon that it decanonizes a Trilogy
lmaoing at your life

Since we are going on wrongs, let's start:

>>M1: Copy-paste environment, lengthy rooms of nothing, clearly poor mapping and full of glitches. Also, Lazytendo could have added SRAM Saving, Map Screen AND Beam Stacking as mOTHER shows.

>>M2: Samus takes a LOT of the screen, repeats some of the same sins of 1 sans the fact this one has saving.

>>SM: Shittiest water movement physics, uses too many buttons, strange DEFAULT control mapping, shitty walljumping detection.

>>Fusion: Way too linear, no way to sequence break. At least has good physics and WAY more responsive walljumping.

>>OtherM: The only real sins I think it got is the inventory itself.

>>P: MCGuffin hunt, poor excuse for LOSS OF SEVERAL FUNCTIONS OF THE SUIT

>>P2: No Beams, only pseudo missiles.

>>P3: Forced Motion controls

>>PH: No upgrades whatsoever, only copyweapons.

>>PP: IT'S A FUCKING PINBALL GAME!

>>AM2R: Nintendo killed it.

>>Dread: Never Happened

>>PFF: Poorly promoted and advertised.

As I said: Not canon to main. It can be canon to 1 and to itself, but that aside... Nothing.

Also, Other M did better than this: eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-05-metroid-prime-federation-force-flops

>No Beams, only pseudo missiles
What did he mean by this?

Also
>The only real sins I think it got is the inventory itself
you're in the wrong thread.

Really nothing went right. It was visually ugly and insipid audio-wise, its gameplay is ultimately repetitive and unengaging, with hands down the worst level and map design in a Metroid game to date, and that's disregarding the absolutely dreadful, nonsensical Kojima-wannabe-style story. It was absolutely, totally inferior to the incredible Metroid Prime trilogy that preceded it.

>not muh haloid abloo bloo bloo ;_;

that, autists couldn't deal with it. also Sup Forums is now full of upset tumblr feminists mad over a character that never had a personality to begin with because it conflicts with their headcanon fanfiction.

Other M at least had people excited until people played it.

Fed Force had people not giving a shit from the get-go.

Light Beam and Dark Beam used AMMO.

And you are in the wrong life.

Believe it or not, there were a lot of people I know that liked Other M. And some were "It's OK, but could have been done much better and have something new."

>>AM2R: Nintendo killed it.

no they didn't, it's 100% completed and had a patch to fix issues and most of us are playing it and it's out in the wild all over the net world fucking wide.

You apparently know a lot of people with low standards.

>ammo
>therefor missiles
>nevermind that you almost always immediately make up the ammo
Seek help.

beam ammo is only a problem for stupid faggots

You get 50 units of each from the start and 50 more for each pickup, and it's stupidly easy to stock up on ammo wherever you go

My headcanon of her being a ruthless badass not being afraid of anything is infinitely better than Other M's and it's actually supported by every game except for that single one. I've never seen her cry to Adam or spaz out around Ridley anywhere else.

That's some hardcore shitty nitpicking.
Also
>>OtherM: The only real sins I think it got is the inventory itself.
If this is the worst you can say about Other M you shouldn't even bother writing replies in a Metroid thread.

But patch 1.2 will never happen. And there are still some bugs to fix.

Yes, I know YOUR MOM

I said PSEUDO Missiles, idiot.

I never played it myself, so how the HELL will I know?

Actually, I want to play Prime 1 and 2 (3 would require the WiiMote), but Dolphin fucking sucks.

If you dislike flamewars, go outside.

>I never played it myself, so how the HELL will I know?
Why are you criticising games you've never played?

Don't reply.

First day on Sup Forums?

I at the very least watched full playthroughs of Other M and Prime 1. And again, you missed the point that I WANT to play but CAN'T.

Exactly. I can only think of two other times she's been even remotely shaken, and that's the ending to Metroid Prime 2, and in Metroid Prime 3, where Gandreyda camouflages as her right before she dies. No crying, no breakdown.

Nothing. It was a good 3D Metroid game.

So beams?