Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong and why?

Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong and why?

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Now that the dust has settled why don't you clean your room up hun. You promised mommy!

The question is, what went right? The "you're the VIP leader super sergeant super sergeant person" seems a bit lame.

>Nublizz

Questing has been lame as hell so far, for the two zones I've played (Highmountain, Stormheim). I guess that's a given though. Rare spawns should actually be rare though. I can actually die if I pull too many mobs at once so that's nice

>Rare spawns should actually be rare....

But what about the people that has paid to play this game and doesn't get to experience this piece of content because they can't spend too much time playing this game?

Everyone has the same weapon

>artifact talents
>artifact skins
>artifact color options

It's always been like that

>Everyone has the same weapon

Working and/or being extremely lucky for a cool and rare item? What about the people that has paid to play this game and doesn't get to experience this piece of content because they can't spend too much time playing this game?

Elites are not rare spawns

Raids that require you to craft gear and play heroics for a couple of weeks?

But what about the people that has paid to play this game and doesn't get to experience this piece of content because they can't spend too much time playing this game?

>LFR
>Timeless isle

WoD 2.0

>play affliction warlock
>literally everybody is outdpsing me by a large margin
>consider suicide

If they don't put the same effort they shouldn't have it? Why is it hard to grasp?

The general style of game, queue simulator devoid of everything MMO and RPG complete with cumulative lore rape (all the missteps from WC3 to this day are present with new lore getting progressively worse), renders it worthless by default.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

It's not about the effort, its about the time. Just because someone can spend 12 hours a day play doing mean they should be only one able to access the content.

The person that spends 12 hours a day should be able to access this content before the one that plays 2 hours a day though.

just because you memetexted LFR doesn't mean it isn't the answer to your question

I you're too shit or too casual, LFR exists. That's how it's been and should be.

It's WoD with a lot of single player content. Once you finish your class campaign and Suramar, there's really no difference.

It's funny how many shill threads there were about this shitty expansion (to a shitty themepark mmo) on Sup Forums the days before release, and now the mood has completely flipped.
Can this awful fucking genre die now? We need a do-over.

>Can this awful fucking genre die now?
Not when 8-10 millions of idiots buy a yearly expansion + 1 month of game. Great profit without barely any effort.

>FUCK I CANT RUSH THIS TIMEGATED STUFF AND CRY ON THE FORUMS
you have a raid coming, mythics+ to do, and 7.1 is in PTR pretty soon with another raid and updated mythic Kara

>literally holding down finished content
You cucks gobble anything.

>THIS CONTENT IS TOO FAST, RELEASE SLOWER
>THIS CONTENT IS TOO SLOW, RELEASE FASTER
fags like you can never just enjoy things

>>THIS CONTENT IS TOO FAST, RELEASE SLOWER
Said nobody.

>What went wrong
F

Killing Xavius every week for a year isn't gonna fix this

Make the content so that babby can't rush thorugh it in 6 minutes and things would be fine.

What he means is that without artificial delays neetlords will finish all the content available to them in 1/10th the time of a regular human being then leave the game because developers literally cant make content that fast for people to consume.

>Not when 8-10 millions
stop believing bullshit
even if we get 1 new raid every week . it wont be too fast , unless you are a fucking retard or in a guild with retards

>wodbabby
this was actually a legitimate complaint about bc

>delaying content like a phone game
Yeah, I fully understand that part and is shit.

If I play a MMORPG I want to grind hard and see content that normies can't reach. That's the point of a MMORPG and why modern themeparks sucks.

You think a company is going to break the law and lie about sales? The guy never implied they would maintain those subs, but its evident that Legion has just as many box purchases if not more than Warlords and that has already paid for the expansion and the next expansion. Any actual subs and shop sales are just icing on the cake.

>falseflagging
Good try shill.

>You think a company is going to break the law and lie about sales
oh you actually think anything will happen if they break the law
let me fix my ribs

Locks are shit across the board. We'll get buffed dont worry.

I don't think in the modern era it would fly to prevent the average person from experiencing content. However, I do agree that maybe there should be some things that grinders can aspire to. Things like mounts, achievements/titles, and many even some stat boosts and gear. However, things like Naxx 40 can never happen again in this era.

>What about the people that has paid to play this game and doesn't get to experience this piece of content because they can't spend too much time playing this game?

They should play a different fucking genre of game. MMO's have always been massive fucking timesinks, it's only recently that Blizzard have started pandering to you stupid childish faggots that throw their toys out of the pram because they can't invest the same amount of time as others can.

Seriously, if you don't have the time to play time consuming games just play something else. The game isn't the problem, you are.

>not knowing how companies work
Sup Forums is 18+, son.

How paranoid and sheltered are you? Didnt your mommy let you play outside as a tot?
Think you meant to quote the retard Im replying to.

>if you don't have the time to play time consuming games just play something else
muh subscription!
t. normie wageslave.

Yeah, misquoted.

It's WoD 2.0

That said, as a theme park game the world design is fucking top shelf. Stormheim feels like a walk through a disney park exhibit.

Not even blizzdrone. That shit is majestic senpai.

>Always been the case
>For some reason now its offensive because the weapon has some lore significance

Kek

Very little has gone wrong so far, I'm enjoying it a lot at the moment.

F

which stands for Fucking Xavius in the ass until he dies. Goosh goosh

>>Always been the case
Yeah I remember during vanilla you couldn't go into the AH without being blinded by dozens of Thunderfurys.

lobby simulator

Titanforging is a mistake and leads to weird ilvl gain and people not moving up in content

Garrison Missions

Still doesn't feel like an MMO because of xrealm sharding LFD shit

And I give Blizzard one week to cave to underbelly crying and ruin a great thing

hahahahaha
don't get your hopes up
blizzard is intent on murdering warlocks

>underbelly crying
PvE players are right tho. That's just another proof of how Blizzard is disconnected from their playerbase.

>implying
people were upset because of how fast black temple came out (the end of the expansion)

>Highlord, it's an honor to serve under you, now go fetch me some shit.

>what went wrong and why?
Americans nu-males cannot into fanasty and soul.

Yeah, they went too far right there.

but then that person who works and has a family will be at disadvantage.

Mylune isn't a bodyguard.

Illidan is the special snowflake angel of light and darkness who will save everybody
I missed when people thought it was Anduin

Kill yourself, there is nothing wrong with having actual rewards for stepping into a PvP zone

>oh no, I can progress and have fun, better bitch on the forum!
Post proofs.

People only give a shit now because they know what Doomhammer or Ashbringer are, before transmog came along everyone at max level started to look the same mid to late expansion, same armor and same weapons.

Class design is at an all time low and there's far too much jerking off the player character, other than that it's looking good.

Too fucking bad.

>people don't want to play a PvP game
>there is a PvE option without PvP that players selected
>force PvP on them
>"hurr kill yourself for not doing what you don't like"
Are you retarded? Yes, is rhetoric.

>dodging the subject
Good try.

During the good* times of WoW (vanilla and BC) you could saw with a glimpse if someone was a scrub or a "harcore" raider/pvp player. Also legendarily were a real exception and a true achievement, not the weapon for every 12yo.

*WoW was shit since the start

It got everything so right I haven't been outside since Tuesday. Dammit blizz why you make such a gud game

You are not forced to pvp though, just buy a guard. It's nice to have some chaotic pvp.

Where did everything GO SO RIGHT?

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=YxiofX97_G0

>It's nice to have some chaotic pvp
PvE players don't want to PvP at all, isn't hard to understand. Are you legally retarded? I'm asking seriously now.

Garrisons yet again.
The entire Suramar zone and everything related to it.
All the zones and their quests are garbage.
All the dungeons look like shit and are equally boring and require zero skill.
Artifact grind.

Remember when they locked one of the best weapons in the game behind PvP and FORCED you to do Alterac Valley?

No, I don't remember that.

You were one of these scrubs with a welfare Unstoppable force doing PvE?

IS WoW slavery!?

Lots of people have had their lives ruined by playing this game religiously instead of going to school or working like you're supposed to do, so does that mean these people are trapped under blizzards iron whip!?

what are you guys talking about when complaining about gates? Wow was always gated. Ubrs was the end game for a few months then mc was the end game for a few months. You guys act like naxx 40 was released at vanilla launch. I know you are all 12 and just trolls but find better complaints.

I'll help here are better topics: class design, item forging RNG, order hall Facebook.

No because that didn't happen.

>Wow was always gated
True, but somehow it got worse over the time.

In vanilla you could grind the instances for your pre-raid gear (well, they added an hour limit, but that only means you couldn't farm a single boss or plants/mines and shit), then they added that crappy "welfare items for badges" and you can get just the officially approved number of badges per week. After that all went even more downhill.

True heroics and mythic dungeons are on a lockout timer but that is added content. In vanilla going from dungeons to MC was comparable to grinding normals in legion and walking into the first raid without any heroic/mythic dungeon gear. In other words the new system is better.

Still, I dislike that kind of gating. In fact, I always disliked that you could progress thorough raids limiting them to one time per week.

Again, I don't like themepark MMOs, so I'm biased about gating.

>the new system is better
True, but mainly because the old one was horrible. Vanilla itemization was beyond retarded.

>could progress
couldn't* hurr

Also, if you are going to ask why I played a game that I dislike, the answer is: RL friends.

>new system is better.
>wellfare norml\>better
Shill, please.

How do I become edgier? Is there an edgier title?

He's not dodging the subject, you cherry picked one of the rarest weapons of vanilla to use it as an example.

Gear still change in appearance to reflect your progression, and the artifacts have different skins too.

Besides all that, people can now transmog their gear.

>you cherry picked one of the rarest weapons as example of one the rarest weapons
That's the fucking point.

Then you have no point and his point stands. You'd had maybe one or two people in the server with the legendary, but everyone else was still using the same weapons.

>his point
You mean your retarded point, right?

>everyone else was still using the same weapons
And that's how I know you never played vanilla nor BC.

and you have, faggot?
underage b&

>literally no argument
gg ez

You can keep replying nonsense if that way you think you "won".

>everybody's weapons are the same for everyone now
>that was always the case
>le legendary THUNDERFURY?????????
>yeah, well that's a legendary. not everybody had shadowmourne, dragonwrath, or DW daggers when it was current contnet
>you are dodging the subject!
>no he isn't, you just posited a stupid argument
>he totally is! vanilla and BC were the best!

eat shit and die you fucking retard

the thing about affliction is you can either spec into single target or AoE, but not both. You will have to change spec depending on the fight. If you do it right, you can out dps pretty much anyone on single target. AoE you will spend a ton of energy just to get out dpsed by a hunter hitting the barrage button.

I think what he's trying to say is there has always been a BiS weapon for every single spec/class in the game.

There are spreadsheets for Nostalrius on their forums detailing every single BiS item for every raid and preraid item for every class. So his point is that everyone always had the same gear, and it didn't matter if it had an actual lore name. Some even did, like Gorehowl.

>there has always been a BiS weapon for every single spec/class in the game
Obviously, if a game have stats, there is a BiS anything.

But saying that everybody had the BiS in slot weapon during vanilla and BC is beyond retarded. People used progression weapons all the time. Hell, casual players were stuck in BWL with MC/PvP weapons or AQ40 when the BC was released.

>BiS weapon
That dropped in Naxxramas. Care to tell me again how many players cleared Nax?

>check the AH for some blues
>i810
>i815
>i815 Warforged
>i820
>i825
>i825 Warforged
And people are selling all of them at the same fucking prices

You should play a demonology warlock

DPS is worse and they've a terrible, terrible rotation that revolves around demonic empowerment.

Even fucking mastery only affects demonic empowerment.

Is your class fantasy :^)

Oh wait, they gave all the good warlock things to DKs and DHs.

You still don't have the BiS in Legion, the Relics have replaced weapons.

There were different BiS weapons for each raid.

>for each raid
Then, perhaps, people used another weapon while the were hoping for the BiS drop, and once they got it they farmed for the BiS weapon or other upgrade in the next raid? Woah, my point since the fucking start.

>old raids

woahhh goty