Fallout New Vegas

So which of them was in the right and why ?

And why is it Caeser's Legion ?

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Because the Legion is a dozen times more iconic than Scrappy New Freedom Wasteland Republic number who-the-hell-is-counting-anymore.

House

This.

The only logical answer

>implying

$0.10 NCR has been deposited into your account.

>Bunch of barbarians in roman costumes armed with spears and knives
>are able to push back on well-armed and organized military forces

this is why I don't like fallout games

Holy hell was the map really that tiny?

Seems fucking insane coming from 4.

theyre all shit, youre shit, and new vegas is shit

BUT WE KNOW WHAT THEY EAT!!!

WHAT DO THEY EAT IN YOUR GAME, HUH

SHANDIFICATION

Nice one Todd

I don't know, but the republic sucked ass.
I did the no masters ending in my first playthrough.

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They aren't, NCR actually won most battles against the Legion

One of the points of the game is that NCR is struggling with itself, and the Legion takes advantage of that

Also, a Legion soldier actually using melee is incredibly rare in this game, even if they have the option they allways resort to guns

Fuck yourself todd

3 > 4 > New Vagas

>wiki

Ulysses

>F1, 2 and Tactics
>weren't 3d, and the "giant" maps had literally no gameplay

>van buren never even got one full level made for it, let alone the world map

>most of new vegas is unclimbable mountains or is inaccessibly beyond the river

>Choice between a Dying super power and a future Dying super power

gee i wonder

I actually prefer small maps but filled with good content rather than big but empty.

Huge map sizes are usually just done for marketing purposes and people keep falling for it like it's an indicator on any actual quality, but it's actually very rarely justified gameplay wise and just end up being padding.

I feel like the map in 4 is at least twice as big and it has the same content/size ratio.

Wasn't the Hoover dam a Pyrrhic victory?

>Ruining the plot of the first semi-serious fallout game with a fucking parody-bot.

>Can't climb mountains
Get out todd you can't do that in 4 either

Im playing the game right now but im stealing all the magazines to upgrade my skills but it gives me negative karma? Does Karma impact that much? Im only at -125 right now and i wanna know if i can get it back up to neutral at least later on

>I actually prefer small maps but filled with good content rather than big but empty.
This is why I preferred F3. There's still a lot of dead air between places, but at least if you got a random encounter or something, there was usually stuff around to use as cover in a firefight and the occasional object or two to see around and walk towards to investigate.

Most of NV is just brown sand and more brown sand with nothing dotting the landscape. Any fights you get into are just stand up gun battles where you just have to hope you have more HP and better DPS than your enemies. And everything is brown. Fucking EVERYTHING is brown. It is the brownest fucking game I have ever played.

>fallout
>serious
>>>/nma/

Why not just download a texture pack user?

>The NCR army has access to vertibirds, salvaged power armor, pre-war riot gears, and mass-produced firearms
>The Legion soldiers use machetes, wooden spears and wear football gear

Explain me how the fuck is the legion winning when you start the game. I don't care how athletic, courageous, or disciplined the legion soldier is ; When he is attacking an NCR trooper, no matter how retarded this corn-eating californian faggot is, the roman cosplayer will get shot !

>Literally Roman LARPers
>Iconic

>knowing exact karma value
>doesn't know what karma does
is this bait?

The Legion was right in their goal of uniting humanity under one banner and culture again without relying too much on technology. 1,000 years in the future people would probably look back on the Legion's tactics as brutal but necessary.

The only problem - as we've discussed to death in these threads - is that Caesar didn't have a good system of succession in place for his inevitable death. And if he did, we didn't see it in the game.

NCR was noble in their ambitions but they should have focused on making the center of their territory more prosperous instead of pushing ahead into the wasteland prematurely.

Gotta love how the Tunnelers imply none of it will matter in a few years

>Game set in a desert
>Complains there's too much brown and not enough stuff

I respect your right to be fucking retarded.

>Random encounters
Random encounters are not enough to save that game
>Fo3
Well shit you swapped brown for baby puke green and grey.
>Combat
The combats shit in all of them but you need to get gud if you suck that much at NV
>Fallout
>Serious
It's lel whacky right?
>>>/reddit/

I feel like people who say NV is the best fallout game have never actually played 1 or 2

because all the "iconic" fallout stuff they come up with is stuff either exclusive to NV like the Legion, or stuff NV popularized like "That Gun" (where it was just a ".223 pistol" in its original appearances)

>deserts are completely empty and completely flat
theres shrubbery here
theres rock piles here
theres not a fucking brown color correction filter here

srsly, people complained about the piss filter in deus ex but NV has a goddamn shit filter.

Ever seen the 100 Speech ending to the battle against Legate Lanius? The Courier predicts that the Legion will die slowly as they take more and more territory, their numbers stretched way beyond their limits as they try to hold everything through military might, and without the charisma of Caesar to hold them together, they swiftly fall like the Roman Empire of old and become little more then bandits. Which is pretty much exactly what happens. It takes a few months (if Caeser is dead before the battle of the Dam) to afew years (if he's still alive). The process of the Legion falling is sped up if both Lanius and Vulpes Inculta survive, as they endlessly argue over leadership as the Legion crumbles 'neath their feet.

Of course, the exact same thing happens in reverse if NCR wins the battle, but over many years instead of a few.

That's why Mr.House is the only choice

All of the Fallout games past 2 have had small maps.

Bethesda are hardly known for creating big worlds.

>say the combat is boring
>"u-ure juss bad ;______;"

theres literally no cover anywhere and there is no depth at all to the gunplay other than putting your reticule on the man and hoping he dies soon

F3 at least had stuff around you could hide behind or even flank around to spice up the gameplay a bit, NV just has flat ground

>have game set at sea
>wow wtf game devs
>everything is blue

Fuckin god damnit Sup Forums. Currently reinstalling NV cause of all these NV threads thats been popping up these past few months.

As much as I dislike F3 for so many different reasons, exploring the wasteland aimlessly was probably the best experience I got from that game. There were quite a bit of interesting locations and events. Shame the rest of the game falls apart everytime a character opens his mouth.

Although, overall I still think NV was better in exploration (and everything else actually). Don't know about the brown color, it's a desert after all, but you also have Red Rock Canyon, Jacobstown, The Strip, etc, and the game does have different amount and variety of plants depending on were you are despite maintaining the arid look.

>And why is it Caeser's Legion ?
this

>A game where they couldn't finish the legion due to time constraints
>They're going to worry about shrubbery

Between your nitpicking and preference of Fo3 I'm going to ask you to, pls go Todd

>I need cover shooting
The combat isn't that difficult. Use a companion if you really need too
>No cover in a desert
Well would you look at that shut

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haha yeah the dialogue in nv was so great + mature for mature games like mysaelf :^)

>"boring" means "difficult"
Are you a paid shill, or just retarded? The combat in nv is piss easy because it's balanced around the total lack of cover. There is absolutely no depth to it. Just stand around, put your reticule on other characters, and hammer on the fire button. There's literally nothing else to it -- no movement, no positioning, nothing. It's shit.

>no cover
yeah there's no rocks or foliage or maybe even the occasional man-made structure to break up the monotony of brown and brown and more brown with a brown color correction filter overlaid on all the brown

>Sexbot is ready for sex

Who knew

I wish we got Van Buren instead of FO3. It looked and sounded so good.

Nobody said it had to be completely serious. It's annoying when the humor is "lol whacky" all the time. Are you mad that nobody wants to talk about 3 anymore?

Their tactics are much more effective, the NCR is in control of the territory while the Legion is trying to push in. So Caesar decides to use gurilla and psychological warfare by attacking the NCR and their thinly spread military force. Have this occur constantly over a course of many months and you have a NCR force that is basically struggling, exausted, frightened of Legion forces jumping their patrols or suddenly overwhelming an outpost, and ripe for the picking by the Legion.

At best, the NCR technological advantage didn't outweigh its logistical, territoral, and military problems, among them being incomptent leadership by the syncopath General Lee, which Caesar brillantly took advantage of.

Sound military tactics and strategy can sometimes overcome a technological gap. The Legion had far better leadership than the NCR, better discplined troops and a position of non-commitment to any part of the region it doesn't desire.

NCR is literally saved by the player character, I'm sure the Legion would've won a victory against the NCR if things had to end without the player characters interference.

haha yeah such a serious + mature game haha what amazing dialogue

Everything summed up:

>Followers of the Apocalypse: Well intentioned but too small and aimless to govern something as large as the Mojave

>NCR: Stable, yet prone to unnecessary bureaucracy and corruption. Not very respected in the Mojave. Putting them in power might cause an oligarchy to develop

>Legion: Brutal, yet effective and feared. May be able to wipe out all raider groups and secure supply lines. Final speech is poignant as the Legion is prone to experiencing eventual failure in similar circumstances to the empire they idolise

>House: Capitalist, protectionist option. Does nothing to really stop raider behaviour in the wastes, drug availability and trafficking will continue, allowing the Mojave to die a slow death. The strip will thrive will the Mojave continues to rip itself apart

>The NCR managed to build a thriving nation from the dust of the old world, relying on trade, having cities powered by electricity, and a -even if corrupt and shady- democracy.
>The Legionnaries are dumb illiterates roman cosplayers, banishing any technology that isn't used for killing, reduce women in sexual slavery, and only manage to survive thanks to their pillaging and outright destruction of many communities in the Mojave
>Edward Sallow is literally acting like an immature teenager when you say to his face that you don't agree with him, having built himself a complete idiot ball where is the only """"intelligent"""" person surrounded by young and powerful man who were reduced into serving him

Sometimes I just feel that Sallow is an edgy, bullied teen who got too much power. "muh thesis and antithesis" is shit. Caesar's Legion is simply the ISIS of New Vegas. Meanwhile I don't care about any theories about how Sallow thinks taking over Vegas will turn his herd of mass-killers into a civilisation ; There is already a civilisation, it is called the NCR, and the only thing that I take as cannon are the ending slideshows after the battle of Hoover Dam. And in these slideshows, you see that you're actually able to build a better Mojave.

>people complain about F3's ending being too final

>Van Buren was literally written to have you go to space for the last act of the game, and was hella linear in general with no expections for players to visit locations more than once

>and the game would have ended with nuking earth for no real reason

have you ever actually read the van buren design docs? theyre shit. absolute shit. even worse than F3

Boone commented somewhere that general Lee only got his position by sucking up to Kimball. I can believe it.

>SHILL SHILL SHILL
Ok
>No depth to combat
I never said it was. It's like you're making things up to get mad about. I said it was shit.
>ITS ALL BROWN
3 is all green yet you like it. I don't see what the problem is. It's not even brown most of the time it's yellow

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NOW!

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No Gods, No Masters

>posting images without the context
at least put some effort in that bait

>Just stand around, put your reticule on other characters, and hammer on the fire button

confirmed for playing on very easy or not having played the game at all

>>The NCR managed to build a thriving nation from the dust of the old world, relying on trade, having cities powered by electricity, and a -even if corrupt and shady- democracy.
it will fail

>>The Legionnaries are dumb illiterates roman cosplayers, banishing any technology that isn't used for killing, reduce women in sexual slavery, and only manage to survive thanks to their pillaging
so were ancient societies which are more suited to surviving in the fallout world

>There is already a civilisation, it is called the NCR
that will have starvation within 10years and collapse soon and it's people won't be ready to survive

>design docs are exactly how a game turns out

If this was the case FO3 would've been a good game though. Also i've never heard anybody complain about FO3's ending being "too final." One of the DLCs just retcons it anyway, you goof.

>ignoring the background of your own image

>putting words in my mouth

I don't really see how that has anything to do with what I said. Fallout has always had a weird sense of humor that is unrelated to how mature or not a game may be, if it even matter that much to you.

>Does nothing to really stop raider behaviour in the wastes
>the Mojave continues to rip itself apart
Literally one of the first things he does is to absolutely eradicate the fiends. He then sends his robot army out to other settlements to police them.

user, there is no fallout in the West. The West has power, cities, electricity, clean water. If you accomplish the quests of HELIOS One and Vault 22 correctly, it can even be implied that the NCR will find a way for infinite solar energy and easy-to-grown agricultural fields, even in the desert.

The only people who claim that the NCR is going to fall is the butthurt Edward Sallow (Who needs to find a reason to warmong all around the Mojave). All the others are only concerned about the great deal of corruption within the administration, or the fact that they have problems running things efficiently (And even then, this is also implied to change depending of your actions. Like, for exemple, finding evidence that the Crimson Caravan is running a dirty competition, prompting the NCR to enact strict trade laws).

What difference will it make when most of the drugs are still being produced/trafficked by the casinos?

ncr would have lost the mohave
isolated, scattered, demoralized, outnumbered

Caesars legion would rip itself apart as soon as Caesar dies which was likely to be soon before you were even involved

>game opens with a kinda intriguing revenge plot with an aspect of mystery behind it because why did they even shoot you in the first place
>takes a nosedive into weird fantasy politics between retards and the macguffin you got shot for is just a USB key with a firmware upgrade

NV's plot is fucking retarded and it takes a special kind of autism to get invested in fake politics between raiders cosplaying as romans and a non-government that does literally nothing for anyone and just kinda passively exists

>Also i've never heard anybody complain about FO3's ending being "too final."
Well he's almost right, most people just complained the ending was shit. Considering very little changes after you finish the game, there wasn't any good reason for Bethesda to kill off the main character besides stupid dramatic reasons.

A tremendous one? Legalized and regulated drug trade is far less harmful to society than the free-for-all chem-huffing the fiends indulged in.

>F3 could have been good, but the realities of development didn't let it be so
and Van Buren could not have been good. its very core design was bad. even the engine they made was shit. those screenshots of it are atrocious.

>Also i've never heard anybody complain about FO3's ending being "too final."
Are you kidding? It's one of the most common complaints about it, that you can't play after the ending and that your character dies during it.

>Considering very little changes after you finish the game,
Broken Steel happens and a fair bit changes after you finish the game now that the wasteland has an industrial scale source of clean, fresh water instead of relying on personal-scale purification methods.

>i dont like it so its autism
Nigga what? The bigger picture in nv is fine, its ok if you dont like it though but just know you're a braindead retard with no imagination

So you fight the good fight on new Vegas threads? [Intelligence]

There Stands the Grass also implies (or rather, outright states) that the NCR is on the verge of mass starvation, has over-exploited its resources, and may be introducing an invasive, predatory fungus in its heartland.

I believe House is likely the best candidate for his advancement of human society would lead to the most prosperous future of mankind, however, my personal favourite idea is the quelling the violence and helping the people of the Mojave while also granting its freedom through No Gods, No Masters. My idea is that the independent communities who received help from the Courier would ultimately work with New Vegas and forge new ties. A loose federation of communities where trade and work among communities are promoted and perhaps a common military force akin to the Minutemen to react to the raiders.

A hegemony enforced by the autocratic ruler of the New Vegas, the player character who would rule begin and foster the seeds of a Mojave nation, perhaps even an empire if a heir is left.

Sounds nice in head-canon, I also like the idea of the Legion winning Vegas and invading the NCR heartland years later, making an exciting sequel to New Vegas.

and if you look at it in another way teh wast just got nuked by the courier.

you can't take the player character in consideration.

look at it wihtout them. Ceasars legion is stable, able to function and prosper in this new worrld.
NCR is overextended and based on the old world which no longer exists

>romans vs cowboys
>not autistic as fuck
you might want to see a doctor

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What about it exactly is autistic?

>and Van Buren could not have been good
Pretty much every Fallout fan who's read the design documents disagrees.

Pretty much every Fallout fan refuses to play any of the games without shredding them apart and replacing everything with mod content. It's almost like Fallout games aren't good, or something.

Who /Ranger Sequoia Sneak Crit Pistol Build/ here?

>tfw you'll never fuck a sexy ghoul and make a little ghoul baby
>you'll never remove tribal scum with the Hanged Man

For 3 and 4 yes. I play 1,2 and NV vanilla If you want replies you could just ask
You pathetic fuck

Especially Fallout 4

Why is Nuke World so shit Todd? I trusted you

How are the Legion right? They're more close to the ottomans or mongolians than rome

I love new vegas but holy shit it's a pan to mod, if there one thing fallout 4 did right it was stabilty improvements.

>See some neat reload animations on a thread yesterday and get the urge to play
>download the animation replacers along with a neat ammo and condition checking animation mod
>download a bunch of other texture replaces and a few gameplay mods like WotNM, PN, and caliberx
>ok lets start it up
>main menu is black, sounds are still going but cant see
>restart
>game loads fine this time, make my character and then crash when leaving doc mitchels
>restart
>get out of doc mitchels, It mid day but its almost pitch black outside, reload animations work but the stop producing sound after going into pipboy, ammo checker doesn't even work
>quit and give up

>I think wars are won with individual skirmishes, or even battles

The Legion's strength comes from its logistics. Its troops are exceptionally well disciplines and largely self-sufficient, which results in extremely robust supply lines with a minimum of waste. This means they can move about the desert with greater mobility and in a way that's more difficult to track.

The NCR, on the other hand, is suffering from internal resource problems, and struggling to get supplies to its borders due to incompetent or corrupt officers. That border is also stretched thin, to the point that it can easily be punctured by (mobile and stealthy) Legion raiders. The resources you describe are also a lot more finite than you seem to think they are.

A wolf can't take a buffalo in a fight, but it can wound it and dance out of its reach until it bleeds out.

that thing is a beast

>>Pretty much every Fallout fan refuses to play any of the games without shredding them apart and replacing everything with mod content
Only mods I've ever used are content restoration mods and jsawyer.

Except 3 and 4, those are bollocks.

There was a lot of really questionable decisions in those design documents. It probably would have changed quite a bit once they actually started making it.

>[van buren] looked and sounded so good.
van buren was going to have a plot involving blowing up the hoover dam and then going to space to nuke america again

Caesars Legion is far from stable my man

>It's one of the most common complaints about it, that you can't play after the ending and that your character dies during it.

DLC changes that, you mong, have you even played the game you're shitposting about?

>Considering very little changes after you finish the game

Who are you quoting?

>F3 could have been good, but the realities of development didn't let it be so

Who are you quoting? Why is your grammar atrocious?

>It probably would have changed quite a bit once they actually started making it.

Realizing this would make these people come to terms with FO3 being shit for the exact opposite reason as they frame Van Buren as a guaranteed blunder; Differing too far from original design documentation. They utterly half assed everything on the main line in comparison to what was planned. Oddly enough it turns out that most games end up doing this, for worse or better. Who knew? I mean, aside from people who know what they're talking about. It's basically the same as the type of genuine mongs that go;

>h-hey look at this concept art, doesn't it s-suck? clearly this game is going to look like shit

Shitposting was a mistake.