Halo Thread

This is why Halo is dead.

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>that music

Fuck hell I miss marty.

Honestly Bungie was dying even before Marty left.

The nail on the coffin for me was when Joseph Staten left Bungie. When your main writer of the Halo games just suddenly up and leaves, you know your current project is fucking shit

Joseph Staten works on ReCore.

>implying Bungie wasn't cancer too.
A cancer from a different era.
343 is just a cancerous dev just like all the other modern devs.

Thing I liked about Staten is not so much that he was good at writing, so much as he perfectly captured the cheese of a 80s-90s action movie.

They stuck to halo's strengths when telling drama, having chief shut up, and having cinematography and music sell the drama.

343 approaches the Chief and MJOLNIR like he's fucking Shinji Ikari of all people, and it just doesn't fit.

Also Jamie Greisemer left, which is basically equivalent to iD losing John Romero.

Bungie's cancer now, but they used to be pretty solid. What specifically did they do wrong back in their heyday?

People blame bungie for killing PC arena shooters.

Halo get that ball rolling, but fags here blame Bungie, instead of market forces. They'd probably hate Rare/Timesplitter devs if they got that shit going with matchmaking.

This is a huge mixture of halo 4 and halo 5 which are complete opposites design wise.

Halo 4 was trash

Halo 5 was them digging themselves out of the hole they dug themselves into but it was too late at that point.

I love older arena shooters myself, I prefer them to Halo a good deal, but it's not THAT bad. If anything the popularity of Goldeneye got the ball rolling.

I could stand halo 4 for about a month before they started "balancing" all the guns.

This makes me wants to play OG trilogy again.

I should play 1-2 on PC but im not sure if should buy cheap 360 for 3

God damn it I just want Halo 3 on the PC. I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't do that; Sell it for about 20 bucks, and it would sell like hotcakes.

> early Bungie was the peak but they honestly had no idea what they were doing and got lucky
> late Bungie quickly fell to shit, they actually stopped caring about Halo mid-development on 3 and completely fuggered up with Reach
> 343 has a few merits, like keeping the lore updated and fleshed out far better than Bungie ever did, but keeps fucking up in their own way
> tfw Halo 5 multiplayer, forge, and customs are fantastic but the campaign is shit because they had to cut half of it

I love Halo but it's never been in an optimal state, anyone who falls for the "343 is shit, Bungie is perfect" meme is just wrong.

They're retarded. No, I'm not joking, I honestly believe that the people in charge are completely mentally deficient.

It was basically COD4 that got all the worst "normies" into gaming.

Quakefags see Halo and COD4 as part of the same migration. When they were staggered between Halo2 and COD4. Halo 2 had fratbros, but the kind of chill fratbros that could at least handle mild scifi.

When I look back at the original halo trilogy and then look at destiny, i just cant fathom that bungie worked on this. bungie created a fps with a solid narrative and really well done environments and then they create a grindy rng loot based dungeon crawler with abysmal story telling. what the fuck happend?

Most of the good people left before or during development, the story and a lot of content were scrapped within a year of release, the board took a shit on Marty, and also Activision's involvement.

It only sold well due to bullshit hype. It's not even a good game.

>completely fuggered up with Reach
Honestly, Reach is the most fun out of all if them.

its no surprise. most big companies run by retards.

they do gain nothing from keeping a 10 year old game hostage.

they would literally make $$$ if they released Halo 3 PC for 20$ (including full campaign + full multiplayer with all DLC). With mouse support it. Also server browser + gamepad only lobbies.

it would be nearly popular as Overwatch and CS GO. Even they can later add microtranstations or boxes shit later on.

yeah as said they are stupids.

People who play PC arena shooters killed PC arena shooters

>Get bored of old game because you just want to play other stuff after a while
>Shun new games because they're not exactly like the old game

I liked Reach too

I mean, in a few day's we should be able to set up Halo 5's custom games. I hate the botnet but I'm gonna deal with it until I can upgrade my computer and run windows 10 in a VM with GPU passthrough on a linux host with 95% performance.

I still haven't played through Reach, though the soundtrack and art design look 10/10. I just hope Halo5's PC forge will let me use armor that looks somewhat like the old designs. Someone at 343 knows what they're doing, as Buck's armor looks fucking great.

Marty got fired.

Joe Staten left and got his ideas scrapped en-masse (good or bad).

Jamie Greisiemer (basically their Romero, designed weapon sandbox and warthog's god-tier handling) left.

Activision brought hundreds of new people onto the team as well. Gaming industry has a huge turnover.

Shit man, bungie was full of fucking weebs but they kept it in check. Every armor in these later games looks like an evangelion with a latex fetish. Joe Staten was in JET and taught english in Japan even.

should i even bother playing halo 5 at all? it's sitting right there on the ground. i could get like $20 for it on ebay.

Story is horrible. MP is fantastic.

assuming you have xbone why not , are you retarded enough to buy xbone without looking their games?

wait till forge comes out on Windows 10, hopefully people will be setting up custom games

Market forces did drive them to obscurity, but your post is also true. Reflex is fucking great and nobody plays it.

I always thought Reach is the best looking Halo game, even taking into account 4 and 5. The 343 stuff was a little too futuristic, if that makes sense. In Bungie's Halo, you had things like giant interstellar ships yeah, but you could relate to it, they still looked like something that could exist. Even the Forerunner stuff was believable (I fucking loved the old ruins of Delta Halo). Everything in Halo 4 (haven't played 5) is just big glowy floating shit that makes little sense.

The multilayer is fantastic. The story is meh. Overall it's definitely worth keeping.

>mp is fantastic

if you are a retarted who runs like monkey all time on map yeah sure why not.

its literally cod lite.

ADS,Sprint,Thrusters they dont belong in halo faggit. point of halo was it was a fps that didnt care for your aim skills , instead your tactics . even if you were too skilled aiming in halo 3 you could always use snipers.

in this fag 343 games all its up to shoot people. no tactics, no going behind from enemy etc.

i wouldnt listen a retard who says halo 5 mp is good

breh

Have you even played it or are you going off what other people say?

They kept insisting it was a "love letter" but it was nowhere close. It brought up a lot of problems with the established canon to where things had to be side-stepped or re-written, it added the loadout system which ended up moving over to 4 but got worse, among other things. Reach had good points to it but is partially responsible for Halo 4 being how it is.

The Spartan armor designs and music were very good. The story was alright but is a different tone than all the other games.

Halo 5's story is... ehhh. It picks up from 4's story and actually uses an old, unused plot thought up by Bungie, but because most of the campaign was cut during development, it's this bare-bones and rushed campaign that is not satisfying whatsoever. Don't trust the promotional trailers you've seen, they're completely bullshit and unrelated. Multiplayer, forge, and customs are the best since Halo 3.

343i's UNSC designs make sense considering humanity gets this uberhuge boost to tech after the war, but they just kind of pseudo-retcon the Forerunner architecture into something completely different. I was fine when it was just the one shield world but now they apply it to everything.

ADS has been in the franchise this whole time, the changes are cosmetic. The only exception is the sword, I think. Also, you're wrong about everything else.

It's not that the 343 stuff is too "futuristic", it's that it's all too clean. Bungie's halo games usually had some grit to their sci-fi tech.

i played beta , didnt bought shitfest itself.

Not sure if you're agreeing or not lol
To me that ship seems real. It's exactly as big as it needs to be, it doesn't have too many extras while still looking cool enough for a game. It's just a hanger, a bridge, some room for living areas, the engines, and a fuckhuge MAC making the bulk of the ship.

Actually this too, you've really hit the nail on the head there. I think that's exactly why I love Reach's art direction. And notice that the MC's armour was always banged up and dented and scratched in Bungie's Halo

just fuck my design up senpai

Watching the behind the scenes stuff of Halo 2 he seemed like one of the coolest devs there was.

How the hell did he let Destiny happen?

>ads has been in franchise whole time
>its just cosmetic

oh god , are you literally stupid? Do you even know what ads is?
ADS is literally changing gameplay mechanic
LT zoom to RT shoot.

Its not fucking same.


no surprise you enjoy running like monkeys since you said "im wrong about everything"

retards like you should have stayed in cod

The one thing I kinda wish is for a studio to make a multiplayer game in the vein of Halo 2, 3 or Reach.
Vehicle Arena Shooters at their finest, at least for console.

I didn't like the loadout shit of Reach's multiplayer. Armour abilities were a mistake.

I'll hand you another (You), but I actually hate how CoD plays. The closest we've gotten to that shit is Halo 4.

I'm honestly surprised that no one has attempted to make a Halo clone, considering how many games try to knock-off Gears and CoD.

man I am agreeing with you

have some more grit. Shame they made him greener and got rid of the nice textures and realtime reflections after the H3 beta.

Fun fact, the realtime reflections are actually turned back on in Halo Online.

Wait, I had no idea they just completely threw the old one out. Thats fucking stupid.

>ADS has been in the franchise the whole time
Not even close to true. If you mean the scopes, those were only on like 25% of the weapons. Now it's essentially on all of them.

He's actually right though: Halo never had ads in the old games.

Sony tried million times to rip-off halo . Their devs simply were nothing close to prime- bungie.

also
halo 5 is literally how black ops 2 plays with jetpacks. or 3 without wall running

Halo never had ADS, just a mild zoom that didn't touch your speed.

>Boltshotchargedshot.gif

I'll argue against Resistence 3: That game is actually pretty solid in its own right.

Well Halo itself you can look at as a vehicle based Doom/Quake clone with slower movement. I guess you can say games like Section 8, Tribes Ascend or hell Doom (2016) all tried to emulate some aspects of Halo.
I guess no one wants to end up with the label of "x" clone.

They completely threw everything out. Their explanations are as dumb as their redesigns. Even their Fall of Reach animated movie detailing the early Spartan 2 days completely negates to tell any part about fighting to save Reach or testing the MJOLNIR armor, and shows them completely skipping from future ODST armor to the armor from Halo Wars.

Halo always had shit writing though

doom 2016 gameplay what should have been halo5 gameplay.

instead of ads,thrusters. just make game speed little more thats it.

Did you snipe them or just charge in?

Always snipe.
Loved how the first brute would grab his muzzle in pain just before I took it off with my second shot.

Heroic and below I charged.
Legendary I sniped.

Jumped right in there, fucker. "Let's Rock."

Now i'm getting the urge to play Halo 2 again... sucks it doesn't work on windows 10 though.

Literally the only problem with Halo today is Brian Reeds, once that fucker is put away from the series Halo will be back at it's full glory

The only problem Halo 5 has is the awful script

At least we still have Combat Evolved on Windows 10

>he plays with default controls
>not using god tier Bumper Jumper instead

If you had played Halo 5 at all you'll know it ain't ads

It's clasic zoom but applied to all weapons, and it's actually pretty useless on anything that isn't a precision rifle

It does however give the oportunity to add depth, as in new mechanics like weapons that actually have different firemodes depending on wether you smart-link or not

that's a control scheme you're talking about, which can be changed in the game's menu

also see

I actually haven't played Halo 5, I was just responding to the "ADS was always there" thing.

So when's Halo 3 coming out on Windows?

Halo is dead because time proved that it doesn't have staying power. The only reason it was ever hugely popular in the first place is because there was no Call of Duty yet to placate the dudebros. And they're never coming back. Halo is never going to be popular ever again. Accept it.

Activision rushed it out.

...

well as a long time player I can say, ADS was never there, and it still isn't

Is Destiny's multiplayer any good?

Most of the original Bungie team left by the time Destiny came around. Hence why Destiny is bleh.

Halo 5 zoom doesn't slow you down though and they got rid of that stupid flinch bs and brought back descoping. It's basically like the old zoom.

>Resistance
Yeah... No. That was Insomniac wanting to do something else.

>MAG
Are you fucking kidding me? Not even close, dude. They might have tried to compete with CoD with that, but in a much larger setting for multiplayer games (up to 256 players.)

>SOCOM (and 4)
At the beginning, Sony knew it wanted a game to sell their network adaptor, and it certainly got it with the first two in the series. Then the franchise started going downhill after 3. 4 is where Zipper tried to pander to the CoDuals and the PSN outage occurred- on its launch day of all days; that led to the death of that game and the series in general.

>Killzone
From the early concepts and onwards, it was pitched as a Marines vs. Mutants game. Not much depth to it, not much to say with visual and gameplay design to really compare it to Halo, and yet the press kept calling it a Halo killer.

>Haze
This was originally to be closer to Soldier of Fortune, taking place during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
However, as development costs were starting to shoot up, Free Radical Design (the studio behind Timesplitters,) they couldn't retain IP rights after entering a publishing agreement with Ubisoft. Quickly rewrite upon rewrite was demanded to avoid triggering anyone about any possible controversy about American foreign politics.
What really killed the game was when Ubisoft decided to enter an exclusivity deal with Sony for PS3 in exchange for Sony to handle the marketing. In the meantime, Haze was only running on PC and the 360, and no one had bothered to ask anyone at Free Radical what the feasibility of that would be. Ask of a sudden, their coders were in a frenzy to get the game working on PS3 and get it done as quickly possible. It led to a delay to May 2008, and even then the team should have received yet another delay to fix many more issues, not to mention the launch was set between the releases of GTA IV and MGS4.
With that said, the team should have been working on Timesplitters 4.

This is also a nice complement video youtube.com/watch?v=BwOfvQsKGwI

I think in a few days.

We'll probably get shitposted for using >windows 10.

Just say you're running it in a VM with the PCIE card passed through to a Windows 10 virtual machine. It lets you main linux on your computer with 95% native performance.

Otherwise ignore them.

That's good news. To be honest, I'm only gonna be playing Halo 5 Customs on PC, especially if we get a server browser.


I love me some Halo but a SHITLOAD of its balancing was based on how shitty thumbsticks are for aiming, so I don't mind Halo 5 giving me a fuckload of new movement options.

Seriously, Halo 1 on PC is hilarious, you can see elites doing that little dodge that's supposed to be exciting on a thumbstick, but with a mouse you just track them perfectly. I usually up the gamespeed 25% with the ~console so it isn't so horrendously slow.

Also you niggas need to play Silent Cartographer evolved, it makes me wish that Halo had a Doom-Wad style singleplayer mission community.

>I think in a few days.
Fucking what?

>"master chief is a human, he's not a machine, he's not a set of armor with a big weapon"
>said by the executive producer
REEEEEEEEEEEE

THATS LITERALLY WHAT THE POINT OF THE SPARTAN PROGRAM WAS

TO PRODUCE WEAPONS TO KILL INSURGENTS

THEY KIDNAPPED KIDS AND DID HORRIBLE SHIT TO MAKE THEM INTO WEAPONS

>VM with the PCIE card passed through to a Windows 10 virtual machine. It lets you main linux on your computer with 95% native performance
Woa, seriously?

youtube.com/watch?v=16dbAUrtMX4

I'm gonna switch over to this once I get a processor with an integrated GPU.

You can't really run it in a window on your main machine, but if you don't mind using a second monitor, or changing monitor inputs it's totally doable.

That's what bugs me the most about a lot of game developers these days, none of them seem to care about the the player at any point and just want to make something "epic", "competitive" and "cinematic". But just like if your movie gives me no reason to be hooked so I'll stop watching it, if the game gives me no incentive to actually care I'll stop playing it.

At no point throughout Halo 4 did I really care about what was happening in the story. And because of that, the gameplay suffered because it became a slog to do anything. I didn't even bother to play Halo 5 but watching the story on youtube I just kept thinking of how fucking stupid it looks in the obvious moments where it wants to be cool (such as the red power ranger doing all her little flips and shit), and how fucking bored I am because none of it really matters at all to the player.

I don't know if it's an influx of failed movie makers or if coorporate greed is reacting to markets or both. But Bungie had the right idea, keep the player involved and keep it fun.

Killzone 2 was pretty good. Atleast the SP. It had a fairly unique tone that died in the sequels.

>PIZZZZZZA

hahaha.....kill me

>halo threads on Sup Forums
fuck off retard

I thought school summer was over

343 are horrible at world building.

I think people highly underestimate the power of people who will spend money on anything and/or are easily swayed by marketing. That's what killed arena shooters. Not Halo, not consoles. Arena shooters died because people stopped buying them in favor of easily accessible games with lower entry points and not too high skill ceilings that sell like hotcakes because they look cool and therefore attract people who aren't good at something but want to do it.

It's like if cars were suddenly made out of giant lego pieces, everyone would be a damn mechanic.

But this is also why niche games are starting to make a comeback, because they know they can't attract everyone and their grandma so they're sticking to the people who will actually buy the game.

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>need integrated graphics
Damn it, and here I got a Xeon.

(you) got the touch.

Honestly, no it isn't.

he's retarded and can't read.

> tfw no ODST on PC

I miss the old look of the Elites, they used to look so elegant and intimidating

Who gives a shit about Halo? It was never good. It was always garbage.

Better question is why the fuck are there Halo threads on Sup Forums?

>60 frames halo

Looks so fucking good, but at the same time so alien.

>red power ranger doing all her little flips and shit
God this annoyed the hell out of me. I get it 343i, you want us to be all "ahh damn that was cool" when in reality the reaction is "oh god they're flying around again getting in unnecessary fist fights".
I haven't turned on my Xbone since maybe 3 days after Halo 5 came out. It's just sitting there collecting dust. What a fucking disappointment of a game.

>fw Halo 5 multiplayer, forge, and customs are fantastic

absolutely not

ODST is crap. Reach is better.

I like the Elites because they're basically just Predators.

>the same shitposters show up everytime
Don't you have a MGSV/TW3 threads to shit up by comparing them to each other?

You don't belong on Sup Forums.