>women make up 52% of the gamers >95% of games feature a male protagonist
what do we have to do to better represent the majority of vidya's demographics which are women? I think the problem is in development, where it's 99% straight white men making these games. They need more diversity all around, but most importantly, I think if you are set to develop a game, you should be blocked crowdfunding/investment until you hire female leads for each game so it can better represent the majority. The problem is men, and leaving men to fix their problems that negatively effect women gets us nowhere.
Grayson Wright
b8 etc
Blake Nelson
whereas 90% of those female gamers play games like Bejeweled and CandyCrash.
Easton Campbell
I have masturbated to Bulma so fucking much.
Ian James
I want to fuck Bulma's armpits
Connor Collins
>what do we have to do to better represent the majority of vidya's demographics which are women? women should start making games
trolled xD
John Cook
I'm 99.99999% sure this is bait, but in case it isn't, why don't you just go develop a game solo, like a ton of male indie devs have done?
William Myers
Why?
Josiah Sullivan
Women prefer to play as Link instead of an ugly animu girl.
Tyler Gutierrez
false info
girls make up less than 7% of gamers
Mason Torres
I am taking the bait and I am trolled and angry arrgh ooh uhh grrr
Ethan Moore
>when retards read statistics about video games and women that include mobile games.
Owen Thomas
If half of the gamers are women already then there's no point in changing anything, it would only make sense if you were trying to appeal to a public that otherwise wouldn't be interested
Tyler Reed
Mobile games are still videogames. Just cause you may not personally like them, they are still games.
Owen Diaz
0/10 bait, tumblr but at least you got me to reply...
Jayden Sanders
they are usually free means of entertainment, available to women cause they already have the outlet of a phone. Very popular to girls those phones and texting etc etc.
A girl buying a console or a pc to exclusively play games are an entirely different thing that shows genuine interest in the medium vs. a pass time for entertainment (solitaire or match 3's).
Too long, you're retarded and it has nothing to do with my personal like or dislike of mobile games, but that women generally don't show an interest in gaming unless it's of ease of access, also it's, even today, seen as "unwomanly" to be playing games.
Gabriel Martinez
Also, if you want to count mobile games, then you have to admit that the market already panders to women, since those games always have a cutesy/girlish look
Camden Lee
>there will never be a Kamehastura 2 >PB is dead
Colton Morgan
Both of those games are unironically better designed and take more skill than Musou, Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest, or Neptunia.
Jason Jackson
Female protagonists are only acceptable if you can fap to them or swoon over them
Andrew Nelson
Okay. They're still playing games same as you though
Hunter Reyes
Good point, will use next time I hear one of my friends spout this shit.
Lucas Taylor
girls probably make up under 20% of people who play actual vidya, shit thread
Jaxon Watson
Are you serious or are you just trying to keep the bait going?
I am not even fans of those games, I just want to know what your goal is.
Ethan Bell
If you consider gambling techniques a good design, then sure
Joshua Bailey
>Mobile games are still videogames. Just cause you may not personally like them, they are still games.
No one is saying they aren't games but mobile games =/= console/PC/handheld games. People always use the "number of female gamers" statistic to finger point at console games needing to change.
But if you counted people who willing bought games for themselves the statistics will be significantly different. Someone who has only ever played free mobile games and never bought a game for themselves is not a key demographic for a $60 console videogame.
Cooper Wright
Then take your problem up with the people who make the games women play.
Kayden Kelly
no no you fuckwad you're not getting away with this. take candycrush *out* of your statistics.
Liam Reyes
>RNG
Guess what, most JRPGs have worse RNG than puzzle games.
Elijah Nelson
Neptunia and FF are poorly designed. Bejeweled is actually more complex abd inventive than anything either of those series have to offer.
Adrian Gutierrez
>women make up -52% of programmers learn how to make your own damn games
Zachary Smith
Yeah, but you don't need real money to get over it on JRPGs
Jonathan Gonzalez
Nothing stopping women from making their own dev teams.
Carson Nguyen
My mom played that halloween google game once, guess that makes her the target demographic for every upcoming game.
Sage was created for threads like this.
Jayden Hill
How about you better represent the women by going out to get HRT before acting like a hypocrite.
If women are 52% of gamers, they dont need your saggy ass to speak for their wants and needs. So either become a woman yourself and show us your nasty tits or shut the fuck up.
Brody Flores
Okay, so I never got the logic behind "WE NEEDZ MORE FEMALE REPRESENTATION IN GAYMAN"
Okay. So your logic is "52% of people who identify as gamers are women." Which means, these women are already interested in, and playing, the existing games that are out there. Why are we changing the products they already enjoy?
Nobody took at look at the Marvel Cinematic Crowd, said "Guys. There are a lot of 18-24 year olds who like the MCU" and decided to change all the heros into 18-24 year olds. They kept the characters the same, since it seemed people enjoyed them as they were. Why should we look at the Halo Universe, say "52% of our audience is female." and make Captain King a Grill?
If you told me, "only 17% of gamers are girls" and said we need more female representation in gaming to attract more girls, I'd say that thats a viable marketing tactic, and it should be pursued. But since it seems that female gamers are the MAJORITY, and got that way in the existing environment, what does the gaming community stand to gain from changing it's perspective to cater to them?
Gavin Campbell
Well Yes she is a gamer if she wants to be.Its not like its some hard club to get into.
William Martin
The funny thing is, the feminist scholars which initially promoted the idea of representation in videogames did research which found out virtually all video game players, of all races and genders, view characters as tools to interact with a game world, and not as characters to identify with. So the purpose of representation was always a moot point to begin with, because gamers literally dont care.
Brody Fisher
Moble GAMES are not GAMES!
No sarcasm here people who think moble kusoge are a valid for or vidja are filthy casuals
Oliver Hall
I too am very disappointed with men
Jason Butler
>women make up 52% of people >hillary will be the first female president kek
playing tic tac toe doesnt make you a gamer playing mobile games doesnt make you a gamer being a gambler doesnt even make you a gamer not all women are gamers not all men are gamers
20% of gamers are female if were going to overly exaggerate to capture all females even when females represent themselves they overly misrepresent everything >women make up 52% of the gamers
equality isnt even about positive representation. its exactly not that. its to let reality be seen for what is it and not the distortion of representation to cloud the matters of fact.
if you really need your pure representation then get women to make games without the help of any men, or their tools, or their knowledge. you dont need no man. you stupid sexist fuck
Adrian Myers
That one tweet seems incredible racist to hispanics.
Tyler Lee
This has always been my point when it comes to "representation" in media.
It's one thing when it comes to non-fictional material. Yeah, we should have women authors writing about their experiences in life, women actors and products making movies about struggles they've been through, and women song-writers telling stories about how they feel. Because that shit matters, and people identify with situations that happen in the real world to real people.
But most people view characters as a "vehicle" rather than an actual person or identity. People who view fictional characters as realistic are actually being studied to see if they have some form of autism that effects their ability to identify and distinguish non-real things.
Nicholas Martinez
Not to mention the absurdity of including characters in some video games... "how do we make this connect 3 puzzle game more Hispanic?"
Eli Russell
Aw look she's tired after finding the Dragon Ball.
Oliver Walker
Does that mean we're getting mecha Trump if there's another Wolfenstein?
Jayden Rivera
It's not RNG I worked designing games like that and it's setup strategically and purposefully to put you in certain positions to encourage the buying of items.
Do you really never wonder why you have a bunch of good rounds after a purchase and then it quickly goes to shit in an attempt to get you to purchase again?
You say RNG, I say total control of the environment.
Andrew Ramirez
>Posted 2 hours ago >44 replies I'm proud of you, Sup Forums. You're learning.
William Richardson
romero and the rest of the old id team have 0 to do with the new id stuff which is owned by zenimax/bethesda. I don't think carmack is even teamed up after RAGE flopped.
Jeremiah James
Well how about you make your own fucking game?
Samuel Collins
Yes more sexy women please
Joseph Cook
that idiot is still around? I was hoping he killed himself after the travesty that was blacked room announcement
Levi Ramirez
This is infinitely better than "what character beats le memin anime"
Jace Anderson
I saw the thread then I was going to post.
Then I saw your post, remembered that I'm a faggot for getting baited, and decided not to post.
But I had to respond to you.
Leo Evans
I honestly don't give a fuck if it's bait, I will turn any bait thread into legitimate conversation if I can
Connor Rivera
source your anus at least you get a right avatar faggot
Anthony Bell
>women make up 52% of the market >games featuring a female protagonist (5%), get all that money the free market solves everything ever, yet again
Ryder Carter
Sup Forums is really terrible today.
Hunter Smith
It needs to be profitable, and games with a female protagonist have been shown to sell less on average. So maybe women should buy more games with female characters instead of buff dudes, and since they're 52% of the market they would make a huge difference right?
Xavier Hughes
It's because of you
Jaxson James
Try to look any gamergirl in youtube and ALL of them are trying to fit in a fetish (colour hair, overacting sweet voice, acting like if they were idiots) to atract visits. Then they complain about sexuality lol
They could also try making games.
Henry Sullivan
because even when games do feature a female protagonist, they still complain. just look at Bayonetta and Dragon's Crown
Julian Roberts
>don't put a woman protag in That's ignorant of the "majority" of your audience, change it! >put a woman in, but she's attractive Blatant sexism, unrealistic standards, you can't have a woman do [vaguely dangerous activity]! >put a woman in and she's a pig Nothing is said because nobody buys the game.
People wonder why devs don't experiment or change anything, because ultimately playing the status quo gives the most money and the least hassle from the people you thought you were trying to appease.
Gavin Reed
"Please help me build my hugbox so I don't have to see anything I don't agree with."
Leftist America literally made Trump win with this kind of attitude, the great big circlejerk they all took part in made the Trump supporters invisible or a nuisance to them, so there was no real counterattack except insults. You can't insult someone into agreeing with you.
Lucas Powell
>Sup Forums is so gay they don't want to play as waifus
Sad!
Daniel Clark
>women make up 52% of the gamers bullshit.
Parker Martinez
Play Japanese games.
Jeremiah Bell
This is obviously bait but there are people who think like this so I'll answer:
The 52% of women majorly come from mobile/browser based games where they're actually the majoity. If you actually look at those stores they're represented just fine, women are less represented in console/pc spaces because there's less women there.
Supply and demand, etc.
Justin Harris
They haven't learned a thing.
Dominic Garcia
If females are majority of gamers, then how can accusations of gamers being sexist hold any water without including majority?
Verily, ergo, women are sexist.
Sebastian Cox
Are you aware of what empathy is?
Ethan Brooks
The next thing you're going to say is, "Also, 'a woman makes 76 cents for every dollar a man makes' is a lie", right?
Luke Perry
>Why don't games have women in them >Women play games without any people at all >It still counts You should read the op
Luke Hernandez
It's not a lie just inaccurate.
A woman on average makes like 86 cents on a man's dollar.
On average meaning when you take average earnings of women and men spread across the entire country rather than take an average of 1:1 discrepancies (which are illegal).
Meaning you have a bunch of women who are nannys upset that they don't make the same amount of money as electrical engineers or nuclear fusion scientists
Gabriel Thompson
>tfw I have Labor Law professor who says wage gap the way feminists present it is real
Robert Butler
Sorry bud, your explanation was too long. Common folk who want good feels for fighting on behalf of the opressed majority have exactly 14 words of attention before everything you say becomes the teacher from peanuts. That argument is moot.
Charles Lewis
Oh, so it's a (You) thread, okay.
Jose Powell
THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG
Alexander Diaz
Skill and knowledge are things
Jonathan Powell
>Neptunia and FF are poorly designed. Bejeweled is actually more complex abd inventive than anything either of those series have to offer. I'll give you Neptunia, but you're absolutely delusional if you actually think that Bejewled is better than FF in anyway. I'm sorry you don't like FF, but you are part of an incredibly small minority that doesn't completely love those games for more than just gameplay.
Aiden Rogers
I know this thread is bait, but why do "GURL GAMURZZZ" have the absolute need to play as a woman in a videogame?
I play videogames as any character I like: I don,t care if it is a black dude, a woman, a robot, a fucking mutant or a vampire.
You play videogames because they are supposed to be fun (Or because you are a fucking loser, like everyone on Sup Forums), not to be REPRESENTED ON A VIRTUAL WORLD BECAUSE MUH POLITICS.