Say you get 500 GB

>say you get 500 GB
>only get around 411 GB
Why do they get away with this scam?

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Because the system has 500 GB hard drive built in.
If you buy a phone with 8 GB, you also get only 4 GB for installing apps.

We know you are too stupid to put together a computer but now its just funny

it just cost me 196 euroshekels
making a PC with the same amount of power and ability would cost me way more

I remember the Xbone being even less

Wtf did i just read
And here, i'll bite. The 500gb is based on 1,000kb=1mb, 1,000mb=1gb and so on. But is actually formated at 1024kb=1mb and so on. So you lose in the conversation and some to partitioned OS. Basically they get away with it cause marketing.

1 GB = 1 GB
it doesn't matter what you calculate or use before that

It DOES matter when you advertise it. They advertise it as 1,000kb=1mb and so on. But in reality it's formatted differently. Did i do such a bad job explaining or are you really retarded?

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> botnet 10 is the most expensive part
Holy cuck

I don't like PC games.

>botnet 10 is the most expensive part
In Xbox it's included for free.

Have you never owned a hard drive in your life? They're all like that.

It's not a scam, it's correct. Slightly deceptive, perhaps, but it isn't wrong.

What's your point?

At least with hard drives they're starting to advertise it as "1TB, 800GB Usable"

Arkham knight?

>100 bucks for widows 10
What a fucking dumbass

its not a scam if most people know that this is how it works. we cant expect all companies to account for stupidity of people

>dollars

When you're not using saudi blood money, the cost of building a PC far exceeds the cost of a PS4 slim or an Xbox One S

>What's your point?
Xbone is 100 bucks cheaper.

>implying component hard drives don't get advertised with the 1kb=1000 bytes, 1mb=1000kb etc. sham

seems like you're the stupid one here

will it play sfV tekken 7 and upcoming guilty gear?
i really need a cheap upgrade, i do have monitor, keyboard and mouse and I will just pirate windows.
i don't want anything else just fightcade and sfV, tekken 7 and guilty gear are a plus.

u can still get windows 10 for free

>u can still get windows 10 for free
Not for a new PC build.

>will it play sfV tekken 7 and upcoming guilty gear?
Check the system requirements.

I'm getting a Bloodborne machine soon but the pricing is fucked, it's $70-100 more for 1tb instead of 500gb. I want to get a larger one but I can't justify spending that much more

It's not a scam, it's not illegal nor a complete lie, but it is deceptive.

They count bytes by 1,000, rather than 1024 standard. Both standards are used even if 1024 might be seen as more "correct."

It's one of those gay sneaky things companies do to minimize cost and maximize profit.

would have gotten the 1tb one as well but only the 500 gb one was cheaper on black friday

Can you not just torrent win 10?

>Paying for an OS
Holy shit why? All you need is a goddamn USB stick and an ISO of any windows version you want!
For fuck sake.

40 lost to formatting
40 lost to sony bloatware

sage

...

this is missing a graphics card

>all these people freaking out over not pirating windows when the build doesn't even have a fucking GPU

yes but 1 GB 1GiB

Giga means 1000*1000
Gibi means 2^20 = 1024 * 1024
so, if something is 500GB it's actually ~465.5GiB
some of that is taken by OS too, so 411GiB isn't that unlikely for 500GB PS4 disk

where is the GPU? you aren't playing shit with the MOBOs onboard graphics besides minesweeper

Fair enough

What for? I'm only gonna play Undertale and Dotka 2 anyway

Giga = 1000*1000*1000
GiB = 2^30

Otherwise you're right on

Yes you can retard just Google it.

>dude they have been scamming us for 30 years that makes it okay

PC niggers are the worst

>AMD CPU
>no GPU

and this is supposed to compete with a PS4 Pro god machine?

This, what the fuck is up with phones.

I use mine as a phone and a music player.

"We want to update your phone"

My phone is full of music, still has 3.5 GB left...

"YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. DELETE THIS"

Then i go see my friends phone who did update. Its barely noticible aesthetic changes. Wtf, why are phone companies so fucking awful. Id delete all their scummy preloaded apps if i could.

Tekken's community will really be on Tekken bud.

>mfw anons say TTT2 is dead
>"what are you playing it on??"
>muh 360"
>back on playstation, TTT2 and even T6 get constant match ups any time of the day.

You can buy a beast of a gaming PC, but money won't buy you the community.

oh boy what could she be surprised by

That why I go with Xbox. More bang for your buck.

Probably that Yu called her cute or something.

Thats what i like about Chie, she seems to be the only girl that does not expect boys to like her. I kind of like that in a tomboy.

She is all BRO tier one minute, the second her fellow bro says ahe is a cute girl she is all "w-what do you mean!" With a grumpy expression but then suddenly:

>"chie is suprised and looks pleased."

She just wants a bro to be a real man and make her feel like a girl you know?

KEK

I ordered a PS4 from EBGAMES Australia and it has been in processing for 2 DAYS! >:(

Pretty much these.

I have two hard drives advertised as 1 and 3 TB (Terabytes)

In reality the amount I actually see in windows is in Tebibytes and comes out to about 931GB and 2.72TB (Gigi/Tebibytes not the Giga/Terabytes used in advertisements).

Its an easy way for manufacturers to get away with looking like your getting more space and I'm honestly not sure why its still allowed.

Apple are the worst for this
>own 2nd gen ipod touch 8gb
>leave it in a drawer for 3 years
>decide to use it for gym, get it out and update it
>usable storage now only 5gb

this is actually how all hard drives are made? i thought it was like this because of the operating system and system files or some shit...

JUST

Its not so much how they are made its just very deceptive advertising.

>Id delete all their scummy preloaded apps if i could
>he didn't root his phone
>he didn't get a phone with a mSD slot
Your own fault senpai

leave poorfags to me

Just put a 2TB HDD in there for 60 bucks.

HDD space is advertised in bytes.

500GB is 500 billion bytes
divide by 1024 to get kilobytes
divide by 1024 to get megabytes
divide by 1024 to get gigabytes

500,000,000,000 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 465.66 GB of raw space.

I'm Roseanne Barr and this has been your guide to the world of facts.

There's no need for 1tb, user. If you wish to go for it, sure, but there's really no need at all. There's not enough good games to fill 1tb.

>Sell console for $400 when it's hardware is only worth $50
>Promise 60 fps/1080p when every game is upscaled/25fps
>Release upgraded console only 2 years after initial PS4 release
>Promise native 4K when it's only upscaled 4K
>Promise games will run better on Pro when they actually run worse
>Promise games, there are still no games
>Promise free online, switch to paid online
>Say you get 500 GB, only get 411 GB

>Why do they get away with this scam?

Because they're Sony and they have an army of retarded normie Sonyggers with who will gobble up everything they shit out.

>buy 4TB HDD for my PC
>it's only 3.63TB
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuck

Found the mustard on his early access 1500 bucks machine.

it's an apu but the point still stands

> he felt for the Gib meme

He's right though.

Is it true you can't use an external hard drive with the ps4? What do you do if you're out of space?

Marketing
And you dumb faggots fall for it time after time

1 TB is 1 000 Gigabytes, which is 10^12 bytes
1 TB is can also be 1024^3 bytes, which is more than 10^12

huh-hun, sure.

buy discs for games, delete games you already played

You just proved him right?

>Because they're Sony and they have an army of retarded normie Sonyggers with who will gobble up everything they shit out.
1000+ times this
Never expected this much sense and logic on Sup Forums the sonygger forum.

>user lists bunch of facts on how and why Sony is becoming more and more anti-consumer
>"WAAAAH no MAD PKEK HURR DURR SONY4LIFE"
Sonyggers everyone.

>mail in rebates
nice meme. that list is horrible anyways. here's something good but a little pricey compared to ps4 pro

> Sup Forums the sonygger forum.

>mfw
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Either I'm blind or there's no GPU nor PSU. Also he said "put together a PC" not "order parts", it's honestly simple as hell and I'm sure you could do it, it's basically an easy puzzle. I did it first time blind. My point is that this image proves nothing.

>Doesn't get anything right
>hey guise i'm a completly different person not the guy SONNYGERS AMIRIT?

Just buy the 500GB and install a 2TB HDD of your own.

I'm actually surprised that there has not been some sort of customer activist group pushing for "honest marketing" on storage size...especially with cellphones were normies would actually ever feel the strain of limited storage space.

Not an argument m8.

Mostly true.

I don't remember Sony (or Microsoft for that matter) explicitly promising every game to be 1080p/60FPS solid at launch of the newest generation but the Pro is largely a clusterfuck Sony will have to live down. No one brings up the PSN paywall Sony built for seemingly no reason other than their competition does it. Worst of all, Sony proceeded to take that boatload of PSN subscriber cash and do nothing to improve PSN infrastructure or speed.

I still think the PS4 is the "better" console this generation (until the Switch hits shelves---fingers crossed to the point of cutting off distal circulation) but Sony has really gone to the shitter the past few years.

Is it worth it buying the normal PS4?

It's like 600 dollars here while the PS4Pro is 900

And then 60 for using my own internet, and 100+ for physical games.

Honestly I don't know if I can afford this shit

Where do you live?

Why does my PS4 run so hot?
Especially were the power thingy is.

|'ll make this simple for you.

Are you a weebfag who likes to play weebtrash and imports games from Japland?

If yes, buy one.

If no, don't. It has nothing to play.

>get FFXV
>insert disc
>your storage is too full
>have 72gb open
>disc says 50 minimum and am aware of the 9gb day 1 patch
>apparently "72gb" isn't enough for "59gb" worth of data

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I'll just dump what I know.

Hard drives are measured in Gigabytes or GB. 1 gigabyte = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
Operating systems and software measure data in GibiBytes, or GiB. 1 GibiByte = 1024 MebiBytes, which equals 1024 Kibibytes, which equals 1024 bytes.

So because the software measures it differently it shows up less. HDD manufacturers are very open about using GB as opposed to GiB.

The only OS I know that doesn't measure in GiB (base 2) is macOS/ OS X, which displays 500GB as 500GB.
Windows uses the GB acronym but actually measures in GiB. Hence why a 500GB hard drive shows up as 465GB (it should be 465GiB, but someone's at MS didn't get the memo).

In the fine print they will always specify that 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes and not the GibiByte system. Apple publishes this on their website, and most HDD manufacturers put something like that on the labels on their hard drives.

tl;dr it's a universally accepted practice and theres nothing you can do about it.

Do any of you people use PS Now?
Not enough GB shouldn't be a problem if you stream games which is worth it if you play as many games as I do.
I'd test it but it's not available in my country yet.

>AMD
>300W PSU
>Windows 10 OEM
>That disgusting monitor

I always got this mixed up since 1 KB is usually referred to as 1024 bytes, even though it's formally only 1k.

>Say you get 1080p60fps console
>Only get 960p45fps console
Why do they get away with this scam?

how come no hdd company ever came out with 'true gb' harddrives, where a 1tb is actually 1tb based on the 1024 scale?
or is it hard to make harddrives with those specific sizes?

As always, it's missing essential parts and therefore worthless.

It's the same reason why ISPs market down/up speeds in bits rather than bytes. To fleece customers.

>say you're not retarded
>actually be retarded
How do you get away with it?

>Either I'm blind or there's no GPU nor PSU.
There is an AMD GPU with 800 GFLOPS included, the same way how it works on consoles.
Also case includes a 300W PSU.
>My point is that this image proves nothing.
It proves what PC you get for $400. Everything included, ready to go.

>where is the GPU? you aren't playing shit with the MOBOs onboard graphics besides minesweeper
It's shocking, what Sup Forums knows about PC tech.
We didn't have had motherboard graphics since 2010. AMD's gaming GPU with 384 GCN cores is integrated into the CPU package.

>Holy shit why?
Because ultimately it's something that has to be paid for. Just because you can pirate it doesn't make it morally justifiable to others, it's the basis for your computer to do anything and it's not Linux and it's being sold, you're expected to pay money for it.

Are you a fucking idiot?

>Because ultimately it's something that has to be paid for. Just because you can pirate it doesn't make it morally justifiable to others, it's the basis for your computer to do anything and it's not Linux and it's being sold, you're expected to pay money for it.
The whole discussion is funny, because if your hood considers crime an option, you can set the cost to $0 and thieve the entire $2000 gaming powerhouse with Windows already preinstalled.
You're going to prison anyway, so what's the point of just pirating Windows then? Make it worth it!

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Probably the best I could do without making it shittier than the PS4 Pro. Although if you take out the non-essential shit, it comes to $433.